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Originally posted by dousan36
to me, drifting is hitting a grey spot nowadays. we want more places more practice omre events to keep it off the street. rathren then giving drifting a bad name w/ the public, we try our best to keep it on the track or local events. the closests cheapest safest thing is autox
but there's a catch. technically, cant drift. And for beginners this sucks because how else to learn?
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you’re right...it’s a tough spot to be in these days…the lines are not clearly drawn…and choices are made…sometimes they will be correct and sometimes they will be wrong…I made the wrong choice to vent my frustration on an internet board…for that I apologize…both to Dennis…and anyone else involved…
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Originally posted by dousan36
A few points were said I wanted to comment on briefly
as far as autox course being set up for drift.
you can drift ANY course. there is no 'grip' course. so called 'grip' tracks such as buttonwillow, thunderhill, willow springs and streets are well known 'grip' but if you know ANYTHING about drifitng, drifting is taking a racing line and tweaking it. in the way you let the back hang out and the front takes the racing line. there's a reason d1gp is judged so you drift and hit the apex that you run a very clear racing line. thats where the control comes in.
anyways, just fyi. there is no such thing as 'grip' layouts.
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somewhat similar to what I said previously…
…of course your explanation is better and more technical…thanks…
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Originally posted by nokeone
that's BS..sure there are courses set up specifically for drifting..but that’s just cause it’s a “drift” event..but anything can be drifted..there were certain sections of todays course which i did not attempt to drift due to the fact they were too tight or technical..but at least 4-5 of the larger radius turns were PERFECT for it...
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Originally posted by dousan36
as far as drifting at autox. it a gray line. yes you can and if you are good and don’t nail any cones, sure you can drift it and of course not as fast, but its not about time in drifting. its about control and technique. but the problem lies in the organizers who don’t want it. and the people who don’t like it (ex: close-minded individuals) who think its pointless. I find this most amusing since ALL professional racers would be (and are) badass drifters. watch any professional sport and you will see the tail of a car hang out sometimes mid corner. drifting and grip are related. to be a excellent gripper you should know drift or at least general car control should u be in such situation. to be a excellent drifter you mus tknow grip because you need t oknow lines, entry speeds, and so forth. both meet at one point. to be close minded and say 'its pointless and stupid' your just hurting yourself from ever advancing.
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I agree…I think it’s great to watch someone who excels at drift run a couple laps for time using a combo of grip and high speed race-line drifts…in fact until recently all I did was drive for grip in my POS gutted and race prepped Altima…go figure…lol…
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Originally posted by dousan36
anyways, autox isnt the place for the most part. but i would see no one complaining if yoshinori koguchi came out and drifted the course. why? becase hes pro .and he makes it look good. for us, beginners, we are slow, lack the ulitmate control and make more errors because we are learning. that's the real problem. even if you dont hit cones butyou double the time of the average out there, that's 30 or 1 mins loss of time for a person, you basically took up 2 runs rather then one.
its like at a drift day and the guy spins on EVERY corner. it just ****es one off because they suck so bad. yeah be supportive but you cant when u only get a few runs in your group thru day.
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you’re right…and I know you are not even necessarily making this statement in my direction…
..but as more of a general one…but I found it interesting when I got the NASA time sheet in the mail the other day and my “drift” laps were 2-4 seconds faster then at least 20-30 of the 150 or so cars there…yeah I was in the bottom…lol…but not the slowest…
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Originally posted by dousan36
noekone and rb14: i know u guys have good control. i know u guyes know aht your doing. next time, i say dont post about it online. when u get to the event. talk with the orgaznies about what your doing.
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thanks man…honestly from you…that means a lot…
and this is prolly the best advice and I’m kicking myself for not thinking about it ahead of time…we should have gotten to the event, walked up to Dennis and the head of the Camero Group, and asked them for permission to drift…and taken whatever answer we were given because it was their event…I guess the main reason we had such a false sense of security was because not more then a month earlier at the previous NASA event at the same location we were given open permission to drift the course as we saw fit…it never occurred to me that a different sponsor (last time it was Club Miata) might have a different take on the idea of us drifting…it was an oversight on my part and it sucks…next time it will be the first thing I do upon arrival…
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Originally posted by dousan36
online people get all riled up and into a hissy-fit. if u post it you'll get newbies think they are keiichi tsuchiya coming out and a kicking the tail mid corner is adrift and such. keep it on the low down
if u get chewed on by the organizers, atlk with the headhoncho and see what's up.
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yeah you are right…it was my bad to post about it…and not handle it privately…I guess I was just excited about there being another venue to practice at and enjoy (other then DD6) in Northern California as we have so few…
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Originally posted by dousan36
you will always get sh!t from other drivers. always. no matter where you are, a real track or autox. why ?because its not conventional driving style. what we can do? yeah ok that's cool buddy, ill lbe cautious. its not hte fastest way, yes i understand that, just working on car control. aggree with them, be cool and smile. people will never like it, thats just how it is. just agree and nod.
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haha…that’s funny cause that is exactly what I did when I was having the talk with Dennis…and I only attempted to slide the 3 largest corners on my final run…and when I exited he actually told me I had done a good job…like I said earlier…I really like Dennis and I allowed my frustration to get to me…I shot the messenger…lol…
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Originally posted by dousan36
hopefully the next event will go better. dont post about it. most newbie drifters suck nuts and will end up crashing their cars in the streets. survivla of the fittest. keep safe and keep it on the track and you'll never need to worry about anything. laws are strict and this is new to westerners.
good luck fellas, see you guys sooon..1 or 2 weeks?
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thanks man…we missed you at the Buttonwillow event today…it was an awesome time…got some great video footage though if you care to see what you missed..
…hopefully like you said we’ll catch up with you in the next couple of weeks when you are back up this way…take care…peace