well, i read this post quickly but caught the 'drift'
of it
as someone who drifts, im like in the middle
to me, drifting is hitting a grey spot nowadays. we want more places more practice omre events to keep it off the street. rathren then giving drifting a bad name w/ the public, we try our best to keep it on the track or local events. the closests cheapest safest thing is autox
but there's a catch. technically, cant drift. and for beginners thsi sucks because how else ot learn?
a few points were said i wanted to comment on briefly
as far as autox course being set up for drift.
you can drift ANY course. there is no 'grip' course. so called 'grip' trakcs such as buttonwillow, thunderhill, willow springs and streets are well known 'grip' but if you know ANYTHING about drifitng, drifting is taking a racing line and tweaking it. in the way you let the back hang out and the front takes the racing line. there's a reason d1gp is judged so you drift and hit the apex that you run a very clear racing line. thats where the control comes in.
anyways, just fyi. there is no such thing as 'grip' layouts.
as far as drifting at autox. it a grey line. yes you can and if yo uare good and dont nail any cones, sure you can drift it and of course not as fast, but its not about time in drifting. its about control and technique. but the problem lies in the organizers who dont want it. and the people who dont like it (ex: closeminded individuals) who think its pointless. i find this most amusing since ALL profossional racesr would be (and are) badass driftres. watch any professional sport and you wil see the tail of a car hang out sometimes mid corner. drifting and grip are related. to be a excellent gripper you should know dirft or at least general car control should u be in such situation. to be a excellent drifter you mus tknow grip because you need t oknow lines, entry speeds, and so forth. both meet at one point. to be close minded and say 'its pointless and stupid' your just hurting yourself from ever advancing.
anyways, autox isnt the place for the most part. but i would see no one complaining if yoshinori koguchi came out and drifted the course. why? becase hes pro .and he makes it look good. for us, beginners, we are slow, lack the ulitmate control and make more errors because we are learning. that's the real problem. even if you dont hit cones butyou double the time of the average out there, that's 30 or 1 mins loss of time for a person, you basically took up 2 runs rather then one.
its like at a drift day and the guy spins on EVERY corner. it just ****es one off because they suck so bad. yeah be supportive but you cant when u only get a few runs in your group thru day.
the real question comes in 'which should learn first'
the younger guys or people who have no car expirience will say drift. why? because its fun and its more 'young kid style driving' or something like that..it appeals to them
the guys at the autox just grip for one because cars arent setup for drift and they are into time
noekone and rb14: i know u guys have good control. i know u guyes know aht your doing. next time, i say dont post about it online. when u get to the event. talk with the orgaznies about what your doing.
online people get all riled up and into a hissy-fit. if u post it you'll get newbies think they are keiichi tsuchiya coming out and a kicking the tail mid corner is adrift and such. keep it on the low down
if u get chewed on by the organizers, atlk with the headhoncho and see what's up.
you will always get sh!t from other drivers. always. no matter where you are, a real track or autox. why ?because its not conventional driving style. what we can do? yeah ok that's cool buddy, ill lbe cautious. its not hte fastest way, yes i understand that, just working on car control. aggree with them, be cool and smile. people will never like it, thats just how it is. just agree and nod.
hopefully the next event will go better. dont post about it. most newbie drifters suck nuts and will end up crashing their cars in the streets. survivla of the fittest. keep safe and keep it on the track and you'll never need to worry about anything. laws are strict and this is new to westerners.
good luck fellas, see you guys sooon..1 or 2 weeks?
i know i got offf topic here and there, i jsut wake up (its 11:30 am)
ugh.
off to shower eat and haircut. peace yall. stay safe. no more bickering. this is pointless. drifting needs to stay underground for the most part. if u drift on the street, dont post it. if you drift into someone's house, dont post it, if you touge dont psot it.
keep it off the net. too many haters and whiners.