Oprah 2020
 

Oprah for President 2020. Discuss.

.............No

We do not need another TV star as president.

I tend to agree with this. While she it be a great person a great person does not always make a great President. Not because they are great person but because she is not versed in holding public office or Politics in general.
Everyone wants to point to Ronald Reagan wrong or right he was a Gov before being a President. If Oprah were to perhaps go the route of trying to be a Gov, Mayor, Congress person, Senator etc.. Then she might make more sense but I do not see her desiring that or she would have already would have one would think.

We already saw what eight years of liberalism can cause, we don't need another four. No thanks.

This. All of it. Current admin notwithstanding.

Also, HUGGGEEE paycut for her! Fuck dat noise!

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This is a bad idea, if only for who she has tended to promote.
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Trump was a bad idea that will only get worse, Oprah would be a bad idea. The only difference is that she has actually shown herself to give a shit about education. Her otherwise self-serving nature and need to be the focus of every of her interactions is so similar to 45 that she is a bad idea.

"Motherfuckin bitch. Fuck Oprah, Oprah ain't got no man."

Yep. Getting us out of a recession and growing economy for 9 years that current admin is taking credit for and not passing a tax plan that makes owning a private jet, fueling the private jet and private jet maintenance deductible hahahhaha

Do you have any other legitimate non partisan talking point that isn't based off pure fantasy?

I don't know why I keep getting sucked into these discussions lol

That's usually how it works.

I did hear a good comparison yesterday that made me laugh.

Oprah became famous for a talk show where she gave things away to people.

Trump had a famous show where he made people compete for a job.

Fact of the matter is...that's a fact. lol

Lol. Good one :)

I like her and all buuuut.... Nah... BERNIE2020.
Dismantle Citizens United.
Prohibit Gerrymandering.
Maybe then, this country will make some real progress.

Did I say anything about economics during the obama era? Have I said that EVERYTHING obama did was wrong?
I was talking about how Liberalism during his era affected our traditional values to a point of almost no return.
Also, if the economy had tanked ths past year, would you had blamed obama's admin for it? Yeah, i dont think so.

Damn, didn't know that, or anything about their shows for that matter. But for this reason, i think they should add more restrictions on everything for freeloaders, including their rights to vote. We shouldn't let good for nothing lazy mofos dictate where out country heads.

I think it will still be a long time before we see a female as president, regardless of who it is, or what party they are for. Women are barely just being heard now.

as a tv personality, I feel she has likely been conditioned to do what she is told by her handlers every single day.
she'd fit right in.

Young people will never go all-in on politics. That's why we are never represented.
It's old dude after old dude with the same conservative ideas.
Except now-a-days with everyone's high sensitivity for acceptance of all, lots will vote for a woman because it is historic and different and "women can be president too!"

(not saying women cannot be president, but you know the voters i'm referring to.)

The most un-American thing I've read so far this year.

If you've never seen their shows, you should probably refrain from speaking on them. Oprah gave gifts to her studio audience because it drove ratings and made more $$$ for her. It's a common practice in daytime TV. It's has ZERO bearing on whether or not her audience were "freeloaders".

Trump handed out jobs to ppl that fit his business mold, which has resulted in 6 bankruptcies thus far. Lets not act like the guy is a self-made billionaire.
Bernie's your guy.

:keke: I was still in highschool in 2009 and my 'business' elective course made us watch a whole season of the apprentice.

So lets recap, because this is going to be easy

1) You said "We saw what 8 years of liberalism brought us and we do not need that again"
2) I state what liberalism brought us (a thumping economy)
3) You said you never mentioned anything about ecomomics. Actually you never said anything about what you were discussing at all apart from a very very open ended statements. I do not read minds..........

You were the only person to make the assumption about hating Obama.........:confused: .

Go back and re read because that is exactly how the conversation played out.

If you want to state something, do not leave an open ended statement. Liberalism brought us a great economy. If your opinion is that liberalism affected our values, then why don't you just say it?? Its like pulling the pin on a grenade and walking away because what you meant to do was buy a burger. How is one to know??

And no, I wouldnt blame Obama if the economy tanked last year. And here is the reason and a great analogy for you to visualize.

The economy is like the Titanic. It takes the titanic several hundred yards to change heading. It also takes it several miles to come to a complete stop. The reason?? A ship that size simply doesn't turn on a dime. The economy is functions the same; an economy as large as the US, does not just shift over the course of a year.........or even 5 years. It takes almost a decade to fully change direction of the Economy. And if you think trump came in and changed the economy's direction in less than a year in office with no significant legislation passed, you are in a fantasy world and just shows a gross misunderstanding of how the country works (or any country for that fact).

P.S last year was trump's economy..........according to him.

P.S.S The housing market failed due to a perfect storm. The housing market was the most safe market to invest in and due to greed, 08 crash. Can you blame it on Bush??

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Hmm... question is was your Teacher an idiot that thought Trump was brilliant or was he using it as an example of what not to do?

Ok now that is said. You cannot hang the recovery on Obama because the people that crafted the recovery were not Obama adminstration appointed. Oh and this in no way means I approved of the adminstration before him.

Truth be told economics in the country are barely controlled by the President. Certain people were in place and certain things were set up by the Fed ( Federal Reserve) that pulled us out of the Great Recession. Yes I feel Bernanke was the right guy at the right time. He was a student of the depression. Now was the recovery quick or great, no it's been long and gradual.

Was Easing needed yes. We cannot run on zero to severely low interest rates forever and some inflation has to happen, not excessive. Some of you are not,old enough to live in a time in this country when we had double digit inflation, yet we had more,economic export than we do now.

It was not a terrible time. The low interest rates we have now is unprecedented. Though I digress, fact is yes the current admins budget plan is horrible, though budget plans by adminstrations for years have been horrible.
That's a whole other subject.

I will come out and say this Obama was not great. It was good we had him after the missteps of George W but beyond that it was not all that great. Now the current buffoon is scary and makes GW look mild.
One almost wishes for GW lol.


We are getting whipsawed here, neither the far left or the far right are good for the country. Both sides no longer work with each other and that is a real issue that needs to be addressed lest it bring more political disaster.

I am what's called a moderate there are actually a lot of us still left in this country. Oprah A: has never said she wants to run. This whole thing came out of a question by a commentator at the Golden Globes to Oprah's long time partner Stedman. His answer was actually misquoted as well. Which led to the whole speculation to being with. B: See what I wrote above in my previous post it does not need to be repeated.

Bottom line: This country has got to stop treating the Presidential Election like a popularity contest. Fuck speeches. Gotta look at their record, it's the best indicator of how they'll govern.

But we ABSOLUTELY gotta get rid of Citizens United, which makes it possible for billionaires and corporations to just buy elections. And we gotta get rid of gerrymandering all together, which allows parties to essentially steal votes by redrawing voting district lines to their favor.

Gerrymandering is the biggest shit show. However, don't the Dem share the blame for what we have now? Well that and the power grab by baby boomers......

PS score a win in the courts earlier this week in that regard however.

^if it wasn’t a popularity context Obama would have never been elected. Be carful what you wish for.

The Titanic only took a few feet to come to a complete stop though

Lol I am not sure to be honest. Knowing the teacher, I don't think his brain operated enough to form opinion. It was a "run out the clock" situation.

They give us two options that are wildly different and step back and laugh while we bicker amongst ourselves, blind to the idea of a third option that we can create.
Two animals in a cage. The door is wide open but we're too busy fighting over a steak to walk through it.

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Seal sums it up.

Both parties use gerrymandering. I'd say the GOP uses it more effectively. But regardless, it needs to go.

I said what I said. It's not like Obama was Jesus or anything. I wouldn't have complained much if McCain won. As far as GOP candidates go, he's definitely one that I hate the least. Palin was a huge mistake though.

Please, no more electing people with zero political background.

On the real though, if Trumpito survives his first term, he's more likely to win a second term. Especially more likely than he was his first.

People hate change and the unknown.

They rather stick with what they are familiar with.

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In Instyle mag she said she won’t run, it’s not in here DNA. However that was BEFORE her speech at the awards though. Lots of people said they wouldn’t do lots of shit. I think she’s full of shit and she’s going to run.

Like trump??

He said he would never run to be president............and here we are several years later.

He actually said TO Oprah on her show he would run for President if the country needed him.

..............which proves just how much trump flip flops on his stance. So he said on Oprah's show he would run for president. However, he has also said on many ocassions he would NOT run for president (he said so in 2011-2012 when Obama was up for relection)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.86e69629a2de


Again, trump said he would never run for the presidency several years ago.

Not sure why the standard is now different. Stop moving the goal posts.........

Ummmm yeah he flip flops. He’s been a NY Democrat and friend of the Clintons for most of his adult life.

Incorrect again. He has been a repub for most of his adult life (and this only too 2 secs to find). Actually he has been a repub atleast twice as long as any other affiliation

(20 years a registered repub. the next closest is dem at a paltry 9 years in comparison). Fun fact; the last time he registered Democrat was almost 10 years ago

Political party Republican (1987–99, 2009–11, 2012–present)
Other political
affiliations
Democratic (until 1987, 2001–09)
Reform (1999–2001)
Independent (2011–12)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

trump has switch political parties atleast 5 times in the last 20 years.

Is there anything else you would like to erroneously report on??

Dude, it’s not that serious. I was speaking in general terms just trying to have a casual discussion.

.............yep sure.

A discussion is bringing up factual topics. Not just posting random (incorrect) statements and then backing down when someone calls you out on your impasses and trying to hide behind "general terms"........

And yes, I take this as a discussion. But when someone consistently posts false information, I am going to call them out on it. Ignoring is the reason we have what we have now........tv stars paying escorts who cannot stop from telling blatant lies as president.

And yes, trump tried to fire Mueller. Watergate de ja vue.........

The man really cannot be that stupid.......

And yes it's that serious. Its the president of the USA. I am taking it seriously as it directly affects me and my family. trump is not the human I want any of my children to aspire to.

Damn... Ralliart went scorched earth...lol

Oh boy. Lol.

Please google “casual” and “general terms “. I used the word Ummmmm for crying out loud.

I’ll pass on the rest of this convo though. I genuinely don’t have time to fact check everything I say in a political discussion.

Enjoy your day folks.

That single quote right there sums up everything in regards to this "discussion"

The fact that you simply do not have the time (or refuse to make the time) to research actual facts.........as opposed to parrotting whatever talking points you subscribe to and just to just posting (for all intents and purposes) "hearsay" as supposed "facts". Or even attempting to challenge the "hearsay" with some of your own thoughts and trying to decipher if it indeed makes sense. Critical thinking 101.

And if you have time to post discussion topics on Zilvia, you have time to research proper facts.......Just saying. It takes me less time read 1 article a day than to sit on Zilvia having a "casual" discussion.......Like I am doing now. Google is (literally) a click away.

That is a basis for any discussion......be it "general" or "casual". Facts are indeed.........Facts.

But facts can be disagreed with...
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Nowhere did I say you can disagree with facts.

You guys are exhausting.

This is half the reason I got off of FB. I used to let this shit fuck my whole day up. You CANT have a casual conversation. It always turns into the most important discussion in the word...to people like RalliartX. I realized not a single thing you think about me or my views has any relevancy in my personal life. Not to my kids, my wife, my mortgage, nothing. Even more so now that Obama isn’t in office.

I’ll get back to my life now.

/discussion for me. Feel free wasting more of your day replying, fact checking, researching, etc though.

Now that we got this Oprah nonsense out of the way, let's run Stacy Dash for 2020

Please tell me what traditional values liberalism changed.

I blame Obama's administration for many, many problems. Neoliberalism is not great for the country, nor the world (but you don't know what neoliberalism is, you'll just call him a commie)

Please tell me where you got your political education. I'd also appreciate your employment background, IQ and location history. Something tells me you're woefully inexperienced in interacting with people of different backgrounds than yourself, have minimal education, minimal critical thinking skills & are generally filled with xenophobia as a result of crushing ignorance.

For someone who hates what "Liberalism has done to American values," fighting to strip Americans of their right to vote is the most un-American thing you can do.

A political platform based on popular ideas that benefit more of the population led by a charming, intelligent person = bad, popularity contest.

Platform based on lies & hate that solely benefits the mega rich with a real estate trust fund boomer at its head = good popularity contest, in which the winner is somehow the one who is supported by less people

He's not good for the economy, civil society nor the national security. But you're right, his base of uneducated white folks will always be there for him.

My friend is a libertarian. I am not. I am friends with him, I would not vote for him. It is shocking that one can be friends with someone they are not wholly in agreement with politically.

Also, Trump has been sued for racist behavior time & time again, he's never been a democrat per his actions.

Stacy's nudes > Milania's nudes

What had Oprah in 2020 deal with in the way this is beginning to look the aisle of hopeful athletes that turn a bad idea into a great ship?

Not to be offensive, but I literally have no idea how to decipher what has been written :confused:

Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?

....... :naughty:

So if the teachings we've all had been in asia, Does that make us here for Oprah Winfrey

Two plus two is four, minus one that's three, quick maths
Everyday man's on the block, smoke trees
See your girl in the park, that girl is a uckers
When the ting went quack-quack-quack, you man were ducking (you man ducked)
Hold tight, Asnee (my brotha), he's got the pumpy (big ting)
Hold tight, my man (my guy), he's got the frisbee
I trap, trap, trap on the phone, movin' that cornflakes
Rice Krispies, hold tight my girl, Whitney (my G)
On the road doin' ten toes, like my toes (like my toes)
You man thought I froze, I see a peng girl, then I pose (chilin')
If she ain't on it, I ghost, hah, look at your nose (check your nose fam)
You donut, nose long like garden hose

That's ok. More food, less cars. Maybe we can attach that for our delinquents?

Our delinquents future win. More victory less equal, more participation, less sad. Someday we may bagel.

^^^ This guy knows something:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/polit...run/index.html

^^^So hot. But she's literally boner killingly stupid.
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Stacy Dash has always been one of my celeb crushes. So fucking hot.

I can't be the only one noticing that she has started aging in dog years over the past few years, can I?

No Phlip. its just you :)

She's still a 50+ year old after all.....and looks much better than 90% of the 50 year olds out there. Shoot, still looks better than some 30 year olds hahahahah (only half joking...........)

She still looks good, but yeah, her bullshit is catching up to her fast. She's gonna look like the black Kellyanne Conway in no time.
Nah man, for a black celeb with money, she's starting to get haggard a little bit. Black ain't supposed to crack like that.

Shiddd, I ain't got no money but got mistaken for 25 the other day and my ass is damn near 40...lol

Exactly... She was playing teenagers in her 20s and damn near into her 30s, 20somethings in her 30s and 40s. She still had it when she did Playboy at 39.
In the last 5 years, the skin around her face and neck have begun to become all haggard and turkey-like.
Sure, she still looks good for 51, but the point is that when she was FORTY, she was "looks good for 20" good.
... and her family wants nothing to do with her.

I think you guys are letting her political views cloud your vision. For her age she’s still fine AF.

Where did I say she wasn't?
Seems like everyone is apparently letting their political views cloud their vision. She is still good looking...
... for a 50 year old.
What I said was that JUST 11 years ago she was 40 and was fine as fuck for a 20-something year-old. Time has caught up with her SUPER fast for some odd reason.
And there again, she was brought into this after someone jokingly -- but apparently accurately -- predicted that she would run for public office. Someone else decided to introduce her looks to the conversation. No clue how that happened.

Any time Stacey Dash is brought up I’m gonna talk about how fine she is, don’t even care what the context of the conversation is.

That was my bad. Can't lie, would still risk it all to smash, political views be damned...lol
Is this what white ppl felt like when Sarah Palin popped up? lol

I'm just gonna sit here for a minute and think about Mo' Money Stacey... mmm...

Looks like Dash put herself out of our misery already.
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