Marijuana Legalization Debate *NO PICTURES*
 

zilvia :goyou:

Really? Good outdoor and mid-grade indoor usually runs around $10 a gram. If you were to smoke that by yourself efficiently and not share with friends and not get retarded a g can and should go a long way.

Everything else has been covered numerous times in the other threads. Nothing new is going to come up. It should be legal, it should be taxed, politicians are looking out for special interest groups and it's own agencies... blah blah.

Who the fuck cares anymore? If you have friends you can most likely obtain weed through someone, and smoke it in your own home with no disturbances from the law. It's current state of limbo is just fine as long as you aren't trafficking. It doesn't matter to me either way since I don't smoke anymore and we all have our own minds made up and Zilvia isn't going to shed new light on anything. So is there really any need to keep these dumb ass conversations going?

I doubt just because it'd be legal folks would jump on the wagon and start planting shit like crazy. It's not like folks who grow their own grow it to sell 100% of the time. For the most part it's simply their personal stash which keeps them from getting caught buying from dealers.

Besides a law could be made that a license should be had if you plan on selling it or growing a specific amount. Grow to much, you get fined. Growing to sell, you get fined.

There is no such thing as "good mid-grade". I dont smoke mids. And even a gram of good shit @ ~$20 isnt lasting nearly as long as a pack of cigarettes. (but i dont buy grams lol)

Im not trying to "cover" anything, i just thought the other thread had some good points being brought up and people just generally having a good conversation.

so you dont care. why the fuck did you bother clicking the thread? :keke:


If you read the other thread you would have seen my saying "i smoke and i dont mind it being illegal, because i am responsible about it."

but fuck, it would be nice to share a joint with my friends at the bar, or smoke openly on my boat.

Agreed, but then you wont have to worry about the plumber or the landlord or your mom :keke: finding it.

I never said there was... Good outdoor and mid-grade. Two seperate entities.

All I'm saying is this debate goes nowhere and in circles. It always ends up with some stoner ruining the thread, and making mods crack down even harder.

yo man i smoke like an ounce of dro in a sitting

a gram of anything is child's play

If anyone messes this thread up, they will be pinked for a month and the thread immediately closed, and anyone starting one behind it will be pinked right along with them.

wait is that in response to my post

because i was just adding my TWO CENTS

No, it is in response to the presence of a re-post of a thread I closed today.
If it were at you, you would be quoted, I have no qualms with letting someone know that I am talking to them.

so what is the debate here?
what kind of bud is worth what?
how much its gonna cost?
what the fines should be?
what?
I dont really see a direction to this thread because its a completley open ended discussion that can easily just go in circles.

should it be legal? yes
do people have to be responsible with it, just like any other controlled substance (cigs, caffeine, sugar, prescription pills)? yes
should there be penalties for abusing said drugs (such as ones already in place for numerous legal and illegal drugs)? yes
should the govt tax it? of course, if we want it to be legal we have to deal with all aspects right?

end of discussion

:rolleyes: close the damn thread.... you might as well delete this sub-forum while youre at it

lol IT WILL BE LEGAL ONE DAY NUFF SAID & of course the fucking GOV is gon tax it DUH fuck em tho!

man I wasnt trying to shut down the thread whatsoever, I just was lamenting the fact that it didnt seem to have a specific direction.
I would love to think we could have adult discussions like this here on zilvia, but as always theres peple that just like to blurt shit out of their asses (ahem).

aNskY, please dont think it was in any way directed at you as the OP, please just give the topic some guidelines. threads seem to go a bit smoother with everything spelled out for all the people that cant follow the general direction.

thanks for proving my point for me.

^not you, mod doesnt feel comfortable with a little talk about legalizing weed.

i thought the other thread would give it direction

lol

I think you can respect that, most likely PHLIP(and other mods) have seen this same discussion time, time, and again on here and it probably always ends up the same way. Someone blurting something stupid or inappropriate, or someone posting prohibited pics that gets the threads shut down.

There seems to be a shit ton of immature people on this site so topics like this will probably always end up a FAIL!

its just like the Michael Jackson thread, everyone has the right to share an opinion but some people just take it too far.
I am one of the first people to respect a persons position in a cnversation but if people start getting belligerent and just mouthing off like assholes I lose my patience pretty quick.
Like i said i would love to think that we could have an adult approach to these type of things but its seems like more and more loudmouth, ignorant youngins join everyday.

They are starting to grossly outnumber us if they dont already

An adult conversation on zilvia? Lol, most of the people on here are 16-18. They just aren't mature enough to carry on a conversation on such a hot button topic.

Before they can legalize marijuana, there are several variables we must consider, and several questions to ask ourselves.

The effect on the economy
The expected outrage by the "moral" majority
the overall effect on the state of our nation

How will employers take to the laws? Alcohol is legal, but you can't generally drink at work, or go to work drunk.
What kind of laws would have to be enacted to curb the inevitable abuse of the new legality? Clearly we would need some kind of minimum age, operating under the influence, and to satisfy the moral majority, probably a "stoned in public" law or two. It would almost definately be confined to the home.
How would the government regulate it, when it is all underground at the moment? It would take a few years, at least, to have legit companies start distributing the stuff.

Thats just a few to start the conversation. Trying to play the devil's advocate here...

and just a tip. If they legalize it, invest in Frito Lay.

I will definitely respond more to this when Im not so tired. and my buddy just came into town.

Something quick about this..... you are legally allowed to drink on your break here in California (not sure where you are) so they will have to find some sort of one joint equivalent or something.
But I know for sure as a person with their California state card we are not allowed to drive within 6 hours of smoking. So Im sure factors like that will have to be figured in for people that operate heavy machinery or drive as part of their job.
And of course Im sure it will be at the employers discretion to piss test all job candidates, or current employees, pretty much not different from the laws now.

what about mex grade

i know someone on here has a bag of compressed sticks stems and seeds

:duh::duh:

I agree. and furthermore, concerning this thread...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vlPhIi5WyT...2Bit%2Bup.jpeg

like i said in the other thread:
Im totally for legalizing the drug for medical and requreational use. im behind it 110%. i think i would rather smoke pot, than get shit faced drunk. Alcohol is POISON!!!!! I hate drinking to get drunk now, I just rather have my joint and a few beers and im GOOD! lol.

What ppl also over look is the growing of hemp. Hemp growing is also illegal here in the United States. But hemp is one of the strongest fibers known to man. It’s used to make close, shoes, rope, paper, and pretty much everything. That will stop our dependency on foreign products. if we had the farmers grow hemp, jobs would shoot up cuz AMERICAN ppl, and companies can use the hemp for goods. AMERICAN goods made by AMERICANS, with AMERICAN GROWN materials.

Like I said, hemp can also make paper. So instead of cutting down a 100yr old tree to make a few 1000 sheets of paper, it takes less hemp plants to make as much paper as one tree. (I don’t know if that makes sense, im kinda stoned jkjkjk). PLUS its cheaper to manufacture....

I JUST DONT GET IT.......... it makes no scene...... just legalize it already ppl do it anyways

they even found pot in Michael Jackson's house, after he died lol can you picture that guy high?!?!

Good job missing my point.
I would LOVE for you guys to be able to discuss the legalizing of the marireefers, in fact I am a non-smoker who argues that it should be legalized.

However.

Those describable as "stoners" and "potheads" have somehow stereotyped themselves out of the conversations describable as a "mature discussion," they would rather show off their wares -- which are STILL illegal -- instead of discussing the task at hand objectively, a whole lot more of "fuck tha po-lice, I'mma smoke til I DIE!" than "this is why I feel it should be legalized..."

Those individuals are all the fodder needed for those arguing AGAINST legalization.
... well, that and Harold and Kumar movies...


Since your head is jammed so far up your ass that you can't understand why my actions have been as they have been, I will lay it out for you.

We are a privately owned forum, we could allow ANYTHING we want, including discussion of/sharing of wares, torrents, NSFW materials, drugs, firearms, hatespeech, whatever you can name.
The problem with that is that a site of this size MUST identify themselves when they do such things -- hell, I have to do that when I register my own blog -- and that information is sent to websense and other filters, which kills our traffic, even when considering that 95% of our traffic has NOTHING to do with any of that shit. This goes not to mention that our registration is open to anyone 13 and over, which we would ALSO like to maintain.
Consideration allowed for all reasons named above, we frown on discussion of felonies and such. We ask that our members refrain from discussion of things that might land them in jail or net US a subpoena.

Please, I am a moderator, I am here to keep the order and answer questions in a specified thread in my signature, please don't make me post in this thread anymore.

Legalizing cannabis would do wonders for local farmers. Make it legal to possess and smoke but not to grow because it needs to be controled, just like cigs and alcohol. It doesn't take a genius to know it would help our economy by leaps and bounds.

I'm with you. It should be legal and I smoked only once in my life as a teenager. Just wasn't my thing. But the plant could produce fuel, paper, clothes, etc... It's crazy that the entire plant is illegal. Not only that but the smuggling of the plant creates danger at our borders.

Solid.

I liked that post, even though I've been pinked for drug discussion.

Damnit... I don't see this thread going to far anymore. Thanks guys.

But while its still up, I might as well add something. industrial grade hemp can only really be made from cannibus sativa, which has several uses which are fantastic, and legal. Ever pay close attention to the seeds in those bricks of bird feed? Yeah, seeds high in protein, pun unintended. Hemp seed oil is also a great source of omega fatty acids, and low in cholesterol. It also has a nice nutty taste and aroma. It also has hardly any THC in it, because the seeds don't have any in it. It mostly comes from Canada.

You can't exactly go to WalMart and buy hemp seed oil though, even though its better for you than corn oil, veggy oil, whatever. Imagine replacing all the cooking oil in fast food restaurants with healthy oil? Imagine getting delicious, low fat, low cholesterol french fries at mickyd's!

Nah man, i got your point and i respect it. In fact i tried to just delete the thread but forgot that i am not a premie any more ..

:hide:

This was just like my thread that failed cause of a pic last week. Well hopefully no dumb asses will get this thread locked. From what I heard on the news just a couple days ago that legalizing cannabis in cali would make trillion's of dollars just for the state of cali (yes with a T). Now imagine on a large scale if all the state did the same.

wait. thats alot of pot...

if I did my math correctly, which is unlikely... thats 5000 dollars worth of pot for each person each year?

would be another highly taxed item like cigarettes i would think. so the government might want to harvest said money.

why cant we have something for us, thats NOT heavily Taxxed by "the man"???????

^ ahahahahahahahahah cause " the man " wants as much money as he can get. And when it comes to something like weed they will tax the shit out of it cause they know alot of ppl will pay to have legal weed. And in return more and more ppl will start growing and they dont want that. I can see it becoming legal but illegal to grow in the your own home. But to that, the only thing they can use to see in someones house is flying over with infrared and that tech. they have to have a warrant to do that.

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I dont exactly know the numbers but they said 3 trillion on the news idk how real of a number that is. Ill post up more info when I hear something.

oakland, ca already approved the marijuana business tax; a first in the entire nation

also i find this picture very interesting, no it does not have any pictures of weed
http://norml.org/images/legal/statel...map_states.gif

find out more information about marijuana and the law here; norml.org

wtf missouri. This state fails.

in Columbia (GO TIGERS), if you are carrying less than an ounce and a quarter of weed (35g), they can't arrest you. they can only give you a summons. and that's a lot of pot to be carrying around.

unfortunately that's just CoMo.
oh well, at least passengers in cars can still drink beer.

edit: also, not having the "mandatory" icon on our state is a very good thing.

Same as NY only our limit is 28g. Although thats only for first offense, second time will land you in a holding cell.


whats "madatory" mean on that map? mandatory jail time? because i know florida is harsh... but that doesnt make sense in combination with other symbols in other states....

in como you can be caught over and over without being taken in, which is kind of cool.
although, in california, apparently it's a max fine of a hundred bucks. hmm.

but yeah, mandatory=mandatory jail time if convicted. so, in my state, you can weasel out of it, in theory.
just like speeding tickets. almost 30 tickets to date, no convictions. go me.

Yeah no mandatory is good. I don't smoke anymore. It just seems like MO doesnt care much lol.

I've never been caught with pot. Because I'm not an idiot. I would get as much as I was going to smoke at that 1 time, then use papers or rellos. No evidence, no paraphernillawafers, nothing.

Anyhow, back to the subject at hand. That is a very interesting map. Whats the tax stamp mean?

florida = fail

well there getting up there with the decrim soon it will come to FL prob going to be the last state.

Originally it was how they made it "illegal." You had to have a tax stamp on the bag to say that you paid your tax on your pot. However if you went to go apply for the stamp you couldn't get one and we're basically waving around a bag of pot in public incriminating yourself.

Now its just another way to add on extra time to your sentence. You wind up with possession and if your judge is a real dick tax evasion.

For more info go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937

ah you see thats what I thought it meant but I figured that it was such an old law that it coundnt be it. Thanks for clarifying that.

History Channel FTW. lol

I really think the stop signs are supported by two things.

Not enough for a majority vote...

No way to identify a level of intoxication...

If enough people would support the decriminalization of Marijuana in their own states, then there MIGHT be a chance that the Federal Gov't would follow suite. The problem is that there will always be free loaders and the few that will continue to mess it up for the rest of us. When I think about a nation wide decriminalization, the first image I see, is that of a going out of business sale where everything is 80% off. The switch would be so dramatic. You would have a ton of first time users and abusers, mixed with the ones already abusing the substance. sadly, I feel the day will never come.

My dad once told me he was SURE that Marijuana would be legalized back in the 70's but at last, it never happened.

The other topic to discuss would be the "too high detector." Until someone comes up with a device that could quickly tell an arresting officer that the detained is "too high" we'll be faced with that road block as well.

My advice to all, be smart, don't abuse any substance and for the love of Christ, don't get in trouble high. You're fu*kin up the statistics!

saliva testing is good for 24 hours.

i'm pretty confident the main reason we have no on-the-spot method of testing is because there is no current need for one.

evan if it was Legal i still wouldent pay 50dollars tax on an ounce of weed i dont think any one would

an ounce of decent weed in the midwest is going to run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-400 while illegal. one would think it would drop substantially if legal. so it wouldn't really matter.
where are you getting $50/ounce anyway?

im not but they have stated that the tax on an ounce of weed will be 50-100 dollars plus what ever they charge per weight

I think you mean "if you were to buy an ounce".

dammit. .

[quote=BustedS13;3003588]an ounce of decent weed in the midwest is going to run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-400 while illegal. \quote]

i cant belive they would charge that much out midwest

I'm part of the dogs.

Pay me by tomorrow or we're going to have problems.

okay, you need to stop talking about your illicit activities. it's this kind of shit that gets these threads locked.

[quote=ESmorz;3003647]I'm part of the dogs.

Pay me by tomorrow or we're going to have problems.[/quo

dick move

I agree, but if the case was to be presented, I feel it would go over easier if there was a way.

I've heard of an ounce going for right at $100 but this is low of low. I really feel if it were legalized prices would drop dramatically and then the taxes wouldn't be that noticeable.

this is very freaking cool! Its good to know your state law... I didnt know that the only thing that the cops can legaily do to you for having less than 25 grams (which i think is allot to be holding on you) is 100$ fine!!!! Thats fucking awsome!!!

My assumption would be there would be no need for a "too high detector". Logic would tell me they would treat it similar to driving while under the influence of a controlled substance or medications. Where it wouldn't matter if you smoked one joint or twelve, it impares you ability to think/react which can't really be measured numerically on the spot (blood tests would require you to be taken in etc), but rather gauged by a "sobriety" test. Now they do actually make breathalyzers that can detect the amount of a substance in somebodys system but they are specifically designed for only certain a substance ((ie. Not multiple uses)(marijuana not being one of them)). It would likely qualify as operating while impaired (OWI) or operating a vehicle under the influence (OVI) as opposed to a harsh DUI.

150ounces? you must be smoking that mexican dirt shit weed.

get yourself a license, and do what you can do

i was thinking about the same thing lol "A FRIEND OF MINE" (not me) pays almost 6 for a oz of high grade.........

NYC is pricey man, drive up to westchester and you'll get the same stuff for 4.

and here we go again......

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all of you should watch : Marijuana Inc: Inside America's Pot Industry

very educational, had a lot of new stuff that i didnt know.

anybody here about the fire that happened in the los padres national forest?

im actually going camping here next weekend. peace of shit cartels making weed look even worse by accidentally starting a forest fire. hell, i bet they didn't even have the required campfire permit! stupid fucks

Gotta pay the troll toll.

All you ppl STOP fucking talking about prices and how much u pay that has nothing to do with the thread you are going to get it closed again.

These are two good things to watch with alot of info Marijuana Nation on Discovery channel or Marijuana on CNBC

I second this. A lot of us are enjoying the conversation about the legality and what not. Lets not get this closed again because you want to whip out your Ecock and let us know how your homeeeieieeee gets "da hookupz"

does anyone think pot is more dangerous that drinking??? as far as health???

I have a question, is the plant actually illegal. form my understanding there are male and female plants. Female plants produce THC but male plants do not. Or maybe it's the other way around. Either way are the plants that don't produce THC illegal? Because the shit grows all over the place in WI. Especially in our park areas. I see the stuff all the time. In HS before I knew there was a difference between the plants I may have harvested some, dried it out and may have tried smoking it. But it was the type that didn't have THC so I may have goten a big damn headache.

Does this shit grow all over in other states?

not at all, alot of people die every year from alcohol related illness. my co workers dad just died form psirosis(sp?) of the liver a few months ago. caused by drinking. from what ive heard no one has died directly from smoking weed.

Health wise I believe they are on the same level.

Cancer via smoking
Liver problems via drinking

As far as being more dangerous? Depends on the situation. The way I look at, you can have a drink and not be drunk. You can smoke some pot and not be high. Either in excess can lead to a bad resolution.

Oh man, I wish I could find the documentary that I watched a few months ago.

I believe it was called The ugly truth about Marijuana. Something along the lines of that title.

Anyway, basically the movie has alot of good information in it. If you are against pot, for it, anything I think everyone should watch it. When I find the link I will post it (if mods allow).

Basically the movie points out a few things.

*Marijuana does not cause black lung like cigs do
*If Marijuana is so bad for you like the Gov't claims, there would be pictures, documents, something proving that it gives you black lung, kills brain cells etc etc.
*Some studies have shown that marijuana does not kill brain cells but may actually stimulate the brain
*The gov't did run tests to "prove" that marijuana is bad for you, HOWEVER the test subjects were chimps. Yes, chimps DID die. BUT it was due to the fact that the scientists would hook up a mask (similar to the one at the dentist when they put you under) which would pump marijuana smoke into the chimps lungs for a consistent amount of time like 15-20 mins at a time for weeks on end until they died. Which anyone with half a brain knows that is very harmful of course. Those are the only test that I believe really show that you can die from pot.. =/

There are plenty of other interesting facts. Once I find the video I will inform you all.

Personally I'm neither for nor against the legalization. It doesn't really effect me since I don't participate in the act. The biggest problem is that alot of these "informational" films are not that. Just propaganda for one side or the other, similar to political ads. Honestly I can't decide whose worse, the Pro smokers, or the anti smokers. If you honestly believe that smoking (marijuana or cigarettes) doesn't cause problems your ill. Regardless of whether its marijuana or tobacco they BOTH contain various carcinogens which can cause cancer. The problem is with either there is no set number at which smoking becomes a problem. There is no chart that says if you smoke 10,000 cigarettes you will have cancer, or smoke 20,000 joints and you will have cancer. To me the problem lies not with the medical issues (because frankly almost everything has risks) but more with the addictive properties. Again I don't smoke, however I have quite a few friends that do. They find that marijuana is MUCH more addictive, mainly because of the feeling of "being high". Obviously my friends are just a small selection of people so there isn't much merit, but a few of them are "non smokers". Meaning they don't smoke cigarettes but will gladly smoke a joint, because smoking tobacco is "nasty". My point being here that a lot of people will smoke a joint before they ever touch a cigarette because of the huge negative aspect around tobacco, none of which exists with marijuana. Smoking a joint is considered a "social" activity, and harmless if you ask 90% of individuals. To me they are on the same level and should be treated the same, with the same warnings as tobacco products.

Im not saying that marijuana isnt bad for you and you cant get cancer from it.
Yes the physical act of smoking can give you cancer. Because well, your burning something and inhaling it.

Regarding the addictive properties, there really isnt anything to get you addicted in the marijuana. Its more of a psychological thing i think.
If you wanted to stop smoking pot, you can. Plain and simple. I have quit before, its not hard. IMO, its in the persons head that thinks its addictive.

Some people grow accustom to smoking everyday so if they just stop cold turkey they might get annoyed or aggravated, but after a week or 2 its not a big deal.

If I wanted to stop smoking right now, I could. I wont start itching like im a crackhead and stealing from people so I could go buy pot...lol

That is exactly my point. Nicotine is what addicts people to tobacco products. Marijuana is all about the "high". I could be wrong but I believe nicotine is considered a physical addiction. The body NEEDS nicotine to function at this point. Marijuana just has the feeling that these people still "crave". How do you determine when somebody is no longer psychologically addicted? Nicotine you can ween the body off the substance. How do you ween the body off of being "high"? Psychological addictions like physical addictions are no joke and are seriously hard to break.

This statement is very false. It is definitely NOT cut and dry. What works for one does not work for all. And it is incredibly hard to break ANY addiction. And its not all a psychological addiction as I stated before.


Lastly I am no doctor or psychotherapist but to me you sound like an addict. Again I'm not saying this for confrontation but to prove a point. How many people do you know who say "oh if I wanted to I could stop doing ______ right now." I'm not saying your addicted to the point of stealing or murder but to deny your addiction is just continuing the cycle (ie. You've "quit" before).

I totally understand where your coming from and rereading my "if I wanted to stop right now I could" statement...lol that kind of was like an oxymoron. I guess I cant really try to explain it cause it will end up making me sound like an "addict".

I just, do it every so often, kind of like when I have a few beers. I dont NEED to smoke, I dont NEED to drink. Its just one of my choices in life. Is it smart or safe? No, but nothing in life is really too safe.

Marijuana is my wine...lol... There are wine tasters, they smell or, inspect the quality, then take a sip to see how it tastes..lol thats me with pot I guess.

I will not smoke anything. If its not quality, i dont even bother. Some people are smoking entirely only to get high and those are the people that give us "pot heads" a bad name. I like to smell it, check out the actual bud, see how it tastes and expands in the lungs.

To me, I would much rather smoke a joint then go out and get drunk. However, I cant go out with a few buddies a light up a joint at the bar while they drink.


I hope I explained myself alittle better.

I'm with you.

I haven't smoked in a few weeks... it's not something i NEED.. just something i enjoy every so often (like a fine cigar or some nice wine like you said) :hug:

really? smoking weed causes cancer. please show your sources

heres a fact for you. cannabis has been around for ages. there has not been a single case of cannabis related death, EVER. alcohol is much worse than cannabis. yea, you can have liver problems from alcohol; but its the things you do while your on alcohol that will get you killed. hell Methylenedioxymethamphetamine is much safer than alcohol, but thats off topic.

i'de also like to add that; if cannabis did cause some sort of cancer why is there proposition 215 in the first place?

Marijuana Inc: Inside America's Pot Industry

watch it

i pay 60 an ounce for the good... the really good, Tax it and get on with it so i can not be arrested. I smoke and and clean and cook and do things around the house. never go anywhere to get hassled by the man for it....... i haven't smoked in a year or so. legalize it, i wouldn't drink or stay up like i do. i do it like i drink... don't want to go to jail for something i could kill someone over... silly for a night of fun. Not saying i would do this on weed but still not going to risk it for any means.. wanna get stoned, be responsible about it then, i don't care who says it makes them a better driver, you are still impared. i've been drinking by the way!!!!

Smoking can cause cancer, plain and simple. Yes, smoking marijuana has never been the direct cause of death to a person. However, smoking for a long period of time (years) can cause side effects in your health in the long run. IE cancer. Its the physical act of the burning of a substance. Im sure if you grabbed a bunch of leaves from a tree, rolled them up and smoked for years and years, you would eventually develop some form of sickness.

Understand what im trying to say? Just cause you smoke pot and not cigs does not mean you are in the clear from getting cancer. It may not develop, but it still is a possibility

Also, regarding your "why is there prop 215", just cause there are states that allow medical marijuana does not mean its good or can cure people of illness. It may elevate some pain from patience or slow down a form of sickness in some cases but everyone is different.

Take for example all the drugs that are legally for sale with a prescription. Yes, they can help you but there are always side effects.

About the whole caner thing, I don’t think it’s about WHAT you are smoking; I think it has to do with how much of it you smoke. No matter what, if your burning something, no matter what, the byproducts of it are always tar and smoke and carbon monoxide (the crap that gives you cancer).Lets look at the average cigarette smoker and the average pot smoker: lets use me as an example: I smoke about ½ a pack a day of cigarettes.. Most people who are at there worse with pot smoke about 3-5 joints a day. (And that’s O.D!!! I can never see myself smoking that much pot in one day, for an extended period of time) but yet I smoke 10-15 cigarettes a day. Ppl who smoke cigarettes only, run a higher risk of cancer, than ppl who smoke pot only because they don’t smoke as much.

so my point was: ITS NOT THE POT THATS BAD..... its just the act of smoking that gives cancer lol

Marijuana is not bad for you in the solid state that it is as Marijuana. The reason ppl say it is bad and has the potential to kill is cause when you burn something it changes the chemical compound of what it is, so it can have a effect over a long period of time but there is no proof of anyone dieing because it would take to much and to long to actually kill you. But everyone has a different effect when they smoke so everyones body will react different.

There is another awesome show everyone should watch called Super High Me its a guy that studyes the effects of smoking marijuana. WATCH IT

And I do NOT believe marijuana causes cancer. I believe the chemicals they put in ciggs cause cancer.

That doesn't make pot any less lethal. There are people who smoke cigarettes for 40 years and never develope an ounce of cancer. And there are some who smoke for 5-6 years and boom theres cancer. Theres nothing thats cut and dry when it comes to this type of issue. Thats the point.

If you can honestly say you believe that if you smoked joints like cigarettes you would have absolutely no chance of developing cancer I would have to call you an ignorant person.

Are you mentally ill?? There are thousands of accidents EVERY year that are drug related. Being "high" impares your judgement, reaction speed, and cognitive ability it is NO better than alcohol. If thats your logic than alcohol causes very little to no deaths. If alcohol influences accidents, so does marijuana.


Had to edit to add this, I can't honestly believe somebody who is even mildly educated would say something like this. Marijuana ciggarettes and tobacco ciggarettes contain MANY of the same ingredients, and that IS a FACT.

Had to edit to add this, I can't honestly believe somebody who is even mildly educated would say something like this. Marijuana ciggarettes and tobacco ciggarettes contain MANY of the same ingredients, and that IS a FACT.[/QUOTE]

REALLY really I have seen documentary on how both are growin and the only thing that are the same is water. im going to need to see proof to believe you.

YouTube - Jah Cure - Flyin' High: Explicit

the only plant on the planet that you can clearly tell from male to female is the sweet marijuana.

Just sayin.

Its the only women I love.
:lfault:

BTW KEEP THE POT MOVIE SUGGESTIONS COMMING!!!!!! THEY ARE AWSOME!!! LOL

just saw the teaser for super high me looks funny as hell

ahahahahahahahahah u put up a music vid.

Super High Me is fucking super awesome and explains alot

FLorida sucks for marijuana laws im just going to copy and paste because im lazy lol


New trafficking law which carelessly lumps real drug dealers and small time offenders into the same category by creating the ridiculous judicial presumption that as few as 25 marijuana plants — one-fourth the amount the federal government considers a trafficking threshold — makes one a "drug trafficker." Florida already had the dubious honor of having the nation's harshest marijuana possession laws — less than 20 grams can land you in jail for a year and cost you $1,000. Even worse, possession of more than 20 grams is a felony. This new law puts Florida even further ahead of the draconian pack as the Sunshine State can now claim a trafficking standard 4 times as tough as the federal government's!

mass laws rock.
anything under 1 oz. 28 grams is a fine. of $100.

you should see the city. :dead:

In short time the laws will be reversed.

Its a hoax, that Nixon started. look into it.

they had studies and pres Nixon went ahead and made his own report and ignored the facts and made his own false report... (govt would NEVER do this, would they!?) :hide:

Its a plant it is safe. TRUST ME I KNOW>
I would rather dance with mary, that tangle with AL (cohol)
proof is in the puddin.