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jspec240 03-30-2010 04:27 PM

Drift entrance techniques/form
 
I know there has been discussion about this but hopefully this is bringing something else.

there are many methods to entering into a drift "Kickin it out" and I am wanting to get some feed back of which style in what situations are best suited use for tight turns, longer ones, keeping your angle, and of course initiating your drift.

Double clutching
Down shifting
Ebrake
Pitching the car ( swerving to one side then the other)
shifting gears while in a drift
braking technique

Please dont take me as a dumb ass.

Pretty much just want to get technical. I hear people say "your a better driver if you dont touch your ebrake. and viseversa. Im not saying Im the best but I do well with my style, however I see most pros do use it. I double clutch, down shift. and rarely use the ebrake. Been doin it on and off for 8 yrs but still want to improve so would like some feedback.


I want to open this up to beginners as well as experienced as well as get incite to maneuvers that will improve driving skills such as angle of attack,and transfers..etc. I know practice makes perfect but even then there are tricks to the trade of perfection which Im trying out. because you can always improve.

so if you got some info, want others to critique your style, or need to be critiqued yourself. Please post up some info.

Thanks to all

Drew

lflkajfj12123 03-30-2010 04:38 PM

to me it really depends on the car setup and driver preference

no using your e-brake does not mean you're a bad driver

ILoveMyRHS13 03-30-2010 05:01 PM

Granny shifting, not double clutchin' like you should!

DJPimpFlex 03-30-2010 05:05 PM

Honestly not a bad thread. I definitely rely on my ebrake more than I should, but it makes entrances more consistent. I just carry to much speed and hold the ebrake for 3 or 4 days to slow down to the correct entrance speed. I don't clutch kick as much as I could/should and I think my driving would benefit from more controlled clutch modulation. I need a better clutch before that though.

shiftdrift 03-30-2010 05:16 PM

my e-brake isn't even hooked up, when i first started drifting i relied on my e-brake way too much, almost every entry, but my second s13 i got i decided i didn't want to e-brake. all i do now is clutch kick and feint, sometimes if i'm just messing around i power into it (with what power the sohc has)

DJPimpFlex 03-30-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiftdrift (Post 3367578)
my e-brake isn't even hooked up, when i first started drifting i relied on my e-brake way too much, almost every entry, but my second s13 i got i decided i didn't want to e-brake. all i do now is clutch kick and feint, sometimes if i'm just messing around i power into it (with what power the sohc has)

I find that doing those big top of 3rd entrys the ebrake is a good way to stay consistent.

Xbroke_kidX 03-30-2010 06:29 PM

Wide open, flick, Counter, More wide open. E brake to extend. Clutch kicks when needed. Brake to transfer.

jspec240 03-30-2010 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun (Post 3367520)
to me it really depends on the car setup and driver preference

no using your e-brake does not mean you're a bad driver

Well of course car set up is very important but Im tryn to dig deep in to driver preferences and or necessities to get that bitch kicked out.... weather you have a D1 car or lowering springs, and a welded diff meaning there are some manuvers that require some trickery and thats what Im lookin for...

I know that using the ebrake doesnt mean your a bad drifter Im trying to see what alternatives others use more often.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xbroke_kidX (Post 3367687)
Wide open, flick, Counter, More wide open. E brake to extend. Clutch kicks when needed. Brake to transfer.

Straight to the point!! love it.. lol . I have never used my brake to transfer. one reason is JR gittin and I went for a session and he didnt either. also were you talking about the ebrake to transfer or pedal?

Good description tho...

keistyle 03-30-2010 06:58 PM

Usually a small feint with a clutch kick does the trick.

Karl Wasabi taught me the double-clutch kick, which is highly effective.

In the rain, i like to clutch kick and ebrake for some serious fun.

Turn out, turn in, clutch kick, ebrake, back on gas when i see fit, and go from there. Usually i start drifting rather early and I always end up with loads of angle.

Straight line e-brake is fun too!

Xbroke_kidX 03-30-2010 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3367726)
Well of course car set up is very important but Im tryn to dig deep in to driver preferences and or necessities to get that bitch kicked out.... weather you have a D1 car or lowering springs, and a welded diff meaning there are some manuvers that require some trickery and thats what Im lookin for...

I know that using the ebrake doesnt mean your a bad drifter Im trying to see what alternatives others use more often.



Straight to the point!! love it.. lol . I have never used my brake to transfer. one reason is JR gittin and I went for a session and he didnt either. also were you talking about the ebrake to transfer or pedal?

Good description tho...

Foot brake to transfer. Idk just always done it. Let off the gas tap brake smash back on gas. Never used E brake for anything except extending. Dont really like e brake initiations. Either flick or clutch kicks.

PoorMans180SX 03-30-2010 07:12 PM

I really need to practice my Scandinavian flick more.

I love the high speed flick, a long slide into a sharper corner (holding with the E) looks so cool.

Also, the e-brake is good for adjusting angle. Sometimes when you clutch kick in, you can set the car, but you want more angle. A quick pull of the E gives you the angle. That way you can adjust for different curves and speeds better.

I also dig 4-wheel high speed lock ups. Tanner Foust was one of my favorites for these. Come in super hot, weight transfer to get the car sideways, then holding the e-brake and the pedal to lock up all 4 at the same time.

So cool.

ericcastro 03-30-2010 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3367726)
Well of course car set up is very important but Im tryn to dig deep in to driver preferences and or necessities to get that bitch kicked out.... weather you have a D1 car or lowering springs, and a welded diff meaning there are some manuvers that require some trickery and thats what Im lookin for... .

Soap is right though.
the car setup is everything.

At balcony, at WSIR
way to many variables

Sohc springs shocks vlsd
2nd gear, feint, give it a hell of a clutch kick and stand on it for a bit. it slowly comes out as it locks, and then slight lift to "set"
Or a long ebrake to make sure it stays sideways long enough for the vlsd to lock.

My SOHC with springs and shocks and welded,
3rd gear, big fient and ebrake
(big feint because the springs really body roll and I use that, ebrake because i want to be in drift right away and dont have time to hope that SOHC can power over with a feint in a 3rd gear entry.)

SOHC full suspention and welded.
I can go in the same way with a feint so small that you cant notice, because my coils are so stiff the body roll happens really fast and you dont want to miss it.
Or i can downshift to 2nd and clutch lock it because i am in 2nd at redline before passing the first clip anyways.

Or, I can go 2nd and get a good clutch kick if I am trying to keep up tandem with someone.
The welded makes up the for lack of HP when trying to lock up a 2way quik. The low HP can let you straighten out your 2 way pretty easily in shallow chase angle.
staying in second means i dont have to lift to shift before the transition.


Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3367726)
Straight to the point!! love it.. lol . I have never used my brake to transfer. one reason is JR gittin and I went for a session and he didnt either. also were you talking about the ebrake to transfer or pedal?

transfer?
ebrake?
pedal?

fucking momentum dude.
The shit will swing you like a pendelum.
right before your car starts to catch and swing back,lift for a sec so the wheels catch, a quik steering in for more angle before letting it spin will flick you the other way, and back on the gas as it comes around.

now every diff reacts differently.
as well as springs or coils.
wheel size
width
tires size
width
stretch or not
camber
type of car.

and i am sure JR uses the ebrake in closing the gap situations.
everyone does.
he may also be a big front braker.
but ebrake has its advantages.
JR also drives a car that has power to start drifting in any gear on a tranny that is far from stock.
most of us need the ebrake with our low HP.

and you can be alot mroe precise on your clipping points with the ebrake.
when you initiate with the ebrake,
you are going directly into a drift
when you clutch kick, it may take a second and you may pass the clip wide or not initiate at all.

dont feint to hard, you might drift the wrong way, like that video of that dude drifting into the people last year.
in compititon drifting, the judges also dont want to see feints.

the ebrake will also take your momentum and make it go sideways instead of forwards.
I have tapped many cones and curbs with my front bumper by ebraking past them.
without the ebrake, i would have driven my front tires right over them.
i also use ti to get up along the side of cars in tandem or to throw my angle wide and drift past the back of cars that spin out in front of me.



this is just off the top of my head, and trying not to let this thread be a total joke.

you need to go to the track and actually drift with some people and ask for help from people that are kicking ass in Low HP cars.
because low HP car drivers end up getting really good at making the most of their drifts and their abilities.

ericcastro 03-30-2010 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xbroke_kidX (Post 3367750)
Foot brake to transfer. Idk just always done it. Let off the gas tap brake smash back on gas. Never used E brake for anything except extending. Dont really like e brake initiations. Either flick or clutch kicks.

I dont understand how that works?
Seems like what your saying you do would have the opposite effect on the car.

When i front brake in a corner, it helps to extend the drift at the existing angle and will also give you more angle.
It doesnt bring my car around.

locking up your leading tires will let the rear rotate around which ever side it is sticking out.
so it wouldn't get the rear to hook up and bring it around.

Am i missing something?

When Tommy locked his fronts up at irwindale, he kept the same angle all the way into the wall, it didnt bring his rear aroudn the other way and save his car........

confused.

PoorMans180SX 03-30-2010 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3367784)
in competiton drifting, the judges also dont want to see feints.


I think this is sad.

ericcastro 03-30-2010 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX (Post 3367798)
I think this is sad.

i like it.
I dont think we need to see cars swearving from side to side all rediculous.

they still do them, its just more of a really fast steering wheel jerk.
Their suspension is so stiff you can barely see it anyways.

shiftdrift 03-30-2010 07:42 PM

yeah, i haven't done too many 3rd gear entries but the sohc can't really do it by feinting, it looses power really quick. i'm replacing my clutch soon and i'm probably going to hook my e-brake up and try some 3rd gear e-brake entries. but once i do my ca swap thsi winter, i'll go back to clutch or feint.

Flybert 03-30-2010 07:47 PM

This thread should be track and turn specific. In general, you want to avoid ebrake initiations but I use it at certain tracks.

Buttonwillow Onramp 100mph 4th gear entry I used ebrake but I'll probably try a clutch kick if ever get to try it again.

HTM First judged turn 3rd gear clutch kick to ebrake extension or just straight ebrake initiation, big angle, hang it to the edge and let the car set

Balcony 3rd gear clutch kick and stay on throttle until the transition, shallow and fast

Streets of Willow Turn 1 - 4th gear 100mph entry, straight feint while open throttle but I pussed out, didn't stay on the throttle long enough, and didn't make it with the ebrake extension. I'll pull the aero off this summer when I get to try it again.

WSIR Oval - 3rd gear clutch kick to ebrake extension or 3rd gear ebrake to the edge and let the car set or 3rd gear clutch kick, off throttle and wait until the car sets

I have always relied too much on using the ebrake to get my car where I want it. It's much safer but it is slower and will hurt you in competition. I often use it on transition to set the car but it's not always best because it doesn't look as smooth. I'm fine with using it however because I like my car and don't like crashing. My car has always stayed in one piece so it's a tradeoff. I've won a few competitions and placed well at multiple tracks using all these techniques so it's not like your doomed if you use the ebrake. Just use it sparingly. There are some places where it's OK to use it like for instance FD Sonoma. Most FD drivers use it to initiate there but I believe Ueo didn't and his entry looked pretty gangster from what I remember, however he did fly kind of wide.

And lastly, avoid it as best you can when leading in tandem.

Xbroke_kidX 03-30-2010 07:48 PM

Maybe my car was set up super funny but if i let off the gas and my angle would start to shallow and I just stabbed the brake it would rotate the other way. Can be bad also because its easy to understeer like tommy did too.

lflkajfj12123 03-30-2010 07:50 PM

castro TLDR

keep it simple man

also D1 drivers use the e-brake all the time

ericcastro 03-30-2010 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xbroke_kidX (Post 3367818)
Maybe my car was set up super funny but if i let off the gas and my angle would start to shallow and I just stabbed the brake it would rotate the other way. Can be bad also because its easy to understeer like tommy did too.

You said foot brake to transfer above.
i took that as your brakeing to transition.
Not braking once your momentum in a transition is happening.
if its a manji, just clutch kick that transition once your momentum is going the correct way.
just remember to grab your wheel and turn in a little faster to make sure to catch teh car so you dont spin.


Flybert, how much HP do you have, lol.

Im talking for us low HP guys and your talking about some next level shit, lol.

Xbroke_kidX 03-30-2010 07:55 PM

Sir Flyberts advice should be taken to heart. Man knows how to drive.
Super agree on setup and track changing how you drive.

Edit:
Never during Manji's. There lame. Mostly during figure 8's or just transitioning.

But what do I know. Im no expert, nor do I drive on tracks.

VIPDRFT 03-30-2010 07:57 PM

High speed straight - Early initiation with handbrake.

Transfer - Clutch kick.

Slow down then transfer - Handbrake.

Low speed straight - Clutch Kick. Maybe a slight feint beforehand.

Slow down coming off a sweeper - Handbrake or Left Foot brake.

Just my .02

shiftdrift 03-30-2010 07:58 PM

yeah...i am drifting with like 100whp single slammer lol. i need monies for swap.

foreverdark 03-30-2010 08:06 PM

There are many varibles depending on your car and track.

If you clutch kick you can shoot the car out while gaining some speed. Depending on entry speed and bigger drifts this works great. On slower smaller tracks not always that great if you have too much speed it can shoot you off track if you don't know what you're doing. Remember this technique is hard on your transmission.

When you ebrake you can slow down and turn in to how much angle you are aiming to get. I prefer to ebrake on right turn initiations and smaller tracks.

Combine the two with a ebrake entry, get your car where you want it then clutch kick to gain some speed or clutch kick in with lots of speed and use the ebrake to extend the drift.

Flybert 03-30-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3367833)
Flybert, how much HP do you have, lol.

Im talking for us low HP guys and your talking about some next level shit, lol.

I have 300whp with a s13sr t28. With stock KA power at a track like Balcony, I always shorted second and shifted to third shortly before initiation, clutch kicked, stay on throttle as long as I could (not very long), and dropped to second. I had an RPS 6 puck with my KA back in the day.

s13_jesse 03-30-2010 09:57 PM

a quick feint/ hiting third gear without getting off the gas is always awesome.

Thats what i have to do in my truck when i slide in the rain. use 3rd gear torque to kick it out.
Of course you cant do it on every corner.

Example:

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Damn i want to drive Nikko.

Slip&Sliden 240 03-30-2010 10:06 PM

It is real simple

Rip that E-brake, then Powa over

payne219 03-30-2010 10:25 PM

Seriously watching this helped me a ton. 6 different techniques all badass
Best Motoring Drift Bible

Flybert 03-30-2010 10:28 PM

Drift Bible is archaic.

payne219 03-30-2010 11:01 PM

so what... its the fundamentals.

ericcastro 03-30-2010 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xbroke_kidX (Post 3367836)

Never during Manji's. There lame.

What??
Manji's are awesome.
They are alot of fun when you are gaining speed and drifting back and forth down a skinny length of cement.
Plus they are the next step in training after figure 8's.
they will really help you with trasitioning.
but they usually come after you have learned to transition, lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIPDRFT (Post 3367839)
Transfer -

Slow down then transfer -

Im old.

Whats a transfer?
Like when your skateboarding, and you go from one ramp to another?
transfer.

I call it transition, when the car changes its positioning in a drift.
am i off?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybert (Post 3368115)
Drift Bible is archaic.

agreed, lol

here.
Run from HTM a long time ago.
looks like i get traction, but pretty sure i was able to get on the ebrake fast enough to keep it out.
SOHC, welded, springs n shocks.

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foreverdark 03-30-2010 11:54 PM

hahaha great video Castro. Now where's the Eric Castro Approve stamp at the end of it?

jspec240 03-31-2010 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3367784)
Soap is right though.
the car setup is everything.

At balcony, at WSIR
way to many variables

Sohc springs shocks vlsd
2nd gear, feint, give it a hell of a clutch kick and stand on it for a bit. it slowly comes out as it locks, and then slight lift to "set"
Or a long ebrake to make sure it stays sideways long enough for the vlsd to lock.

My SOHC with springs and shocks and welded,
3rd gear, big fient and ebrake
(big feint because the springs really body roll and I use that, ebrake because i want to be in drift right away and dont have time to hope that SOHC can power over with a feint in a 3rd gear entry.)

SOHC full suspention and welded.
I can go in the same way with a feint so small that you cant notice, because my coils are so stiff the body roll happens really fast and you dont want to miss it.
Or i can downshift to 2nd and clutch lock it because i am in 2nd at redline before passing the first clip anyways.

Or, I can go 2nd and get a good clutch kick if I am trying to keep up tandem with someone.
The welded makes up the for lack of HP when trying to lock up a 2way quik. The low HP can let you straighten out your 2 way pretty easily in shallow chase angle.
staying in second means i dont have to lift to shift before the transition.



transfer?
ebrake?
pedal?

fucking momentum dude.
The shit will swing you like a pendelum.
right before your car starts to catch and swing back,lift for a sec so the wheels catch, a quik steering in for more angle before letting it spin will flick you the other way, and back on the gas as it comes around.

now every diff reacts differently.
as well as springs or coils.
wheel size
width
tires size
width
stretch or not
camber
type of car.

and i am sure JR uses the ebrake in closing the gap situations.
everyone does.
he may also be a big front braker.
but ebrake has its advantages.
JR also drives a car that has power to start drifting in any gear on a tranny that is far from stock.
most of us need the ebrake with our low HP.

and you can be alot mroe precise on your clipping points with the ebrake.
when you initiate with the ebrake,
you are going directly into a drift
when you clutch kick, it may take a second and you may pass the clip wide or not initiate at all.

dont feint to hard, you might drift the wrong way, like that video of that dude drifting into the people last year.
in compititon drifting, the judges also dont want to see feints.

the ebrake will also take your momentum and make it go sideways instead of forwards.
I have tapped many cones and curbs with my front bumper by ebraking past them.
without the ebrake, i would have driven my front tires right over them.
i also use ti to get up along the side of cars in tandem or to throw my angle wide and drift past the back of cars that spin out in front of me.



this is just off the top of my head, and trying not to let this thread be a total joke.

you need to go to the track and actually drift with some people and ask for help from people that are kicking ass in Low HP cars.
because low HP car drivers end up getting really good at making the most of their drifts and their abilities.

Whoa ... lol any way I was saying straight to the point as in he put his technique out there. I do pretty good w/o but Ive been limited to 3 tracks and

I do go to the track and I have a high & Low Hp car. I auctually drift more w/ my bone n/a sohc. What I need to do is work on my high speed drifts. .

I do take it back tho JR did use the ebrake on a 180 turn but besides that he was just using momentum to transfer.

I hardly ever use the ebrake and eventhough I dont practice high speed drifts as much I still do and all you have to do is have the right speed, angle and have good throttle controll for a car that has decent power. I also see where you are comming from on closing the gap and stretching the drift I guess Im just a little harder on the eng... haha I do pretty good w/o but Ive been limited to 3 tracks and just like you said I need to practice

I know its allot about the car set up and I hope this will provide input into peoples builds cause the better the set up the the more accuraccy obtained.

Thanks for the input eric hopefully ill see you at willowsprings one day. Im moving my events there so I will be able to practice.

Very informative video too

NoPistons! 03-31-2010 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX (Post 3367763)

I also dig 4-wheel high speed lock ups. Tanner Foust was one of my favorites for these. Come in super hot, weight transfer to get the car sideways, then holding the e-brake and the pedal to lock up all 4 at the same time.

So cool.


Sounds like a pretty difficult but awesome technique.

Quote:

Originally Posted by keistyle (Post 3367743)
Usually a small feint with a clutch kick does the trick.

That's how i roll. Atleast until i hook my bmr handbrake up. I'm hoping after i put my rebuilt calipers on that my standard handbrake actually works again. Would love to have both to practice stuff with.

Feint is hands down my favorite thing to do. I blame Mitsuru Hariguchi. Dude was awesome when he had his fc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsQGUsoPPgU
@ 00:38

jspec240 03-31-2010 02:24 AM

^^ yea man holland drift was sick.

Im about to install a hydro ebrake now man fuk the dumb shiz...

Flybert 03-31-2010 02:53 AM

BTW, z32 ebrake is the jam. I had no problem locking them up at 100mph at buttonwillow for the Hellaflush event. I like it better than hydro.

jspec240 03-31-2010 03:33 AM

I was out there.. which car did you have there? I have never used a hydro my buddy was the one with the gloria

Flybert 03-31-2010 04:01 AM

This is me. I was doing 4th gear entries after the competition was done. Early in the day we were doing 3rd gear stuff to practice for the team comp.

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-54.jpg

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-14.jpg

ericcastro 03-31-2010 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3368360)
I also see where you are comming from on closing the gap and stretching the drift I guess Im just a little harder on the eng...

Not to offend you, but if your talking stock KA.
You are not harder on the engine then me, lol.:love:

And technically, if you were harder on the engine, you would be getting even more out of it and prolly want to use the ebrake to keep a drift after a long shallow transition.

I actually ebrake more in my SOHC.

Its because i dont have the power to maintain really long drifts or get the car to step back out when its trying to catch.
Or
Because i lack the power to actually propel myself away from a wall, so as i come in sideways, i need to slow it down so as i am coming around a wall, i dont get in deeper than a little tap.

yeah, come to the track.

Here is a run i did at Balconey years ago.
3rd gear entry with ebrake, shift into 2nd during the transition.
Since i lift to transition, it makes it easy to put the clutch in during that time and shift really fast.
you can see where i am clutch kicking because the car steps out pretty hard.

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fckillerbee 03-31-2010 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3368607)
Not to offend you, but if your talking stock KA.
You are not harder on the engine then me, lol.:love:

And technically, if you were harder on the engine, you would be getting even more out of it and prolly want to use the ebrake to keep a drift after a long shallow transition.

I actually ebrake more in my SOHC.

Its because i dont have the power to maintain really long drifts or get the car to step back out when its trying to catch.
Or
Because i lack the power to actually propel myself away from a wall, so as i come in sideways, i need to slow it down so as i am coming around a wall, i dont get in deeper than a little tap.

yeah, come to the track.

Here is a run i did at Balconey years ago.
3rd gear entry with ebrake, shift into 2nd during the transition.
Since i lift to transition, it makes it easy to put the clutch in during that time and shift really fast.
you can see where i am clutch kicking because the car steps out pretty hard.

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I saw my car! lol.


Come to 626 event...i teach you secret.

lol....there is sooooooooooooooooooo much different situations involved. Get Forza 3. Learn how to drift differently in the game, it'll help you for real life.

I'm really big on clutch kicking. Balcony, 3rd gear initiation, clutch kit, don't lift till transition, quickly counter, and never lift....any other track is about the same. I only use e-brake for mistakes. I don't have enough power to e-brake initiate....its not worth it.

here is a video compliments of castro.

at 1:10, you can see the "quick" flick of the steering wheel to get the weight to transfer. (stock ka on 18's for the record...anyone can drift)

at 1:38, you can see it at a different angle, doesn't look like a big flick, but it's enough to get the car to slide out, and I used to brake during transition to stable the car, but with time...i don't need to anymore.

vimeo: 626 march madness

and I have driven almost every different type of car and setup, so I have a wide learning range of cars for balcony specific, but I'm sure with certain setups, they will be just as good on other tracks.

and I've had no problem drifting a completely stock SOHC. (i once had someone tell me it couldn't be done in his car)

ILoveMyRHS13 03-31-2010 12:21 PM

Eric Castro, I need to drive down to Cali and get some driving lessons from you, the master of the SOHC. :)

!Zar! 03-31-2010 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3368428)
I was out there.. which car did you have there? I have never used a hydro my buddy was the one with the gloria

You were out there? I saw the Gloria, but not you.

As for techniques, I tend to weight transfer and clutch kick.

But of course it really depends on the track. On the buttonwillow offramp I would hug the inside at the top of third, flick it to the outside and clutch kick as I turned back in. I would use the ebrake and adjust angle if I felt I needed more, then towards the end if I slowed down too much I would shift down to second.

I tend to feel it out on a turn by turn basis. But primarily I like to clutch kick.

GT Motion 03-31-2010 01:28 PM

To the OP. IMO Its only weak to use the ebrake when its not nessecary.

For initiating, I almost never use ebrake, some turns that are akward though, like a turn that starts out slow & tight, then becomes wider and faster towards the exit its sometimes more accurate to use the ebrake to initiate then drop the clutch at apex and use your power on the exit line, especially if you don't have a lot of room on entry. Like when rally drivers enter hairpins they kickit out with the handbrake and punch it at apex to save the exit.

Normally though clutch kick is the way to go, it looks great and keeps a lot of speed. During transition it will come naturally when to let off and whip the car around, you would only use the handbrake if you messed up your angle or are coming in really fast to a tight turn and want to hug the apex with the nose going around it. You should also try left foot braking.

Tops* 03-31-2010 01:45 PM

Haruguchi's rally-quick is IMO the fucking baddest flick out there.

I enjoy it raw, loud, and intense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGOaG_doQw

jspec240 03-31-2010 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybert (Post 3368433)
This is me. I was doing 4th gear entries after the competition was done. Early in the day we were doing 3rd gear stuff to practice for the team comp.

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-54.jpg

http://www.worlddriftseries.com/teamdrift/drift/-14.jpg

Ahhh ok.. who won any way?? kinda sucked cause the only real visible action was at the left loop.. pretty big for buttonwillow. Ill hit you up nextime theres an event there if you are there

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3368607)
Not to offend you, but if your talking stock KA.
You are not harder on the engine then me, lol.:love:

And technically, if you were harder on the engine, you would be getting even more out of it and prolly want to use the ebrake to keep a drift after a long shallow transition.

I actually ebrake more in my SOHC.

Its because i dont have the power to maintain really long drifts or get the car to step back out when its trying to catch.
Or
Because i lack the power to actually propel myself away from a wall, so as i come in sideways, i need to slow it down so as i am coming around a wall, i dont get in deeper than a little tap.

yeah, come to the track.

Here is a run i did at Balconey years ago.
3rd gear entry with ebrake, shift into 2nd during the transition.
Since i lift to transition, it makes it easy to put the clutch in during that time and shift really fast.
you can see where i am clutch kicking because the car steps out pretty hard.

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it was kinda a stupid point to begin with because they all have limits but due to budget buttonwillow skid pad is where we go. like 2nd gear tops lol
I have hit some big drifts w/o the ebrake but not out there. it was out at Etown club loose... been a while. I will be transfering to willowsprings cause I need to train on the bigger turns. and I hear springs has a membership where its real cheap now :) so see you there and we can put description into actuality...



Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee (Post 3368652)
I saw my car! lol.


Come to 626 event...i teach you secret.

lol....there is sooooooooooooooooooo much different situations involved. Get Forza 3. Learn how to drift differently in the game, it'll help you for real life.

I'm really big on clutch kicking. Balcony, 3rd gear initiation, clutch kit, don't lift till transition, quickly counter, and never lift....any other track is about the same. I only use e-brake for mistakes. I don't have enough power to e-brake initiate....its not worth it.

here is a video compliments of castro.

at 1:10, you can see the "quick" flick of the steering wheel to get the weight to transfer. (stock ka on 18's for the record...anyone can drift)

at 1:38, you can see it at a different angle, doesn't look like a big flick, but it's enough to get the car to slide out, and I used to brake during transition to stable the car, but with time...i don't need to anymore.

March Madness on Vimeo

and I have driven almost every different type of car and setup, so I have a wide learning range of cars for balcony specific, but I'm sure with certain setups, they will be just as good on other tracks.

and I've had no problem drifting a completely stock SOHC. (i once had someone tell me it couldn't be done in his car)

I cant wait to get out there. next chance I have I will. Is Gabes14 (screen name) out there often?

thanks fellas

fckillerbee 03-31-2010 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3369009)
Ahhh ok.. who won any way?? kinda sucked cause the only real visible action was at the left loop.. pretty big for buttonwillow. Ill hit you up nextime theres an event there if you are there



it was kinda a stupid point to begin with because they all have limits but due to budget buttonwillow skid pad is where we go. like 2nd gear tops lol
I have hit some big drifts w/o the ebrake but not out there. it was out at Etown club loose... been a while. I will be transfering to willowsprings cause I need to train on the bigger turns. and I hear springs has a membership where its real cheap now :) so see you there and we can put description into actuality...







I cant wait to get out there. next chance I have I will. Is Gabes14 (screen name) out there often?

thanks fellas

I don't know names very well...how about what car does he drive? I'm guess s14, but color, specs.

jspec240 03-31-2010 03:33 PM

heres the link to his profile


#/f/members/gabes14.html

Flybert 03-31-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3369009)
Ahhh ok.. who won any way?? kinda sucked cause the only real visible action was at the left loop.. pretty big for buttonwillow. Ill hit you up nextime theres an event there if you are there

We ended up winning the comp. Why don't you drive the track? The skid pad can only teach you so much.

turns101 03-31-2010 04:27 PM

All of these techniques are very simple in a Miata. You guys should try it out some time..

drftwerks 03-31-2010 10:13 PM

#/f/motorsports-skil...west-loop.html

june 4 buttonwillow track day. come on out. practice these techniques.

jspec240 03-31-2010 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flybert (Post 3369250)
We ended up winning the comp. Why don't you drive the track? The skid pad can only teach you so much.

I know. its not the only spot.... lol but its a place to do it legal. Main track is like 2g's to rent and need insurance. Ive only had 5 events.

Im workin up my way up :) I hung out with the best...

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/beezon/da.jpg


my pad after Etown formula D in 06 when I lived in jersey/// Damn I miss those days but keeps me motivated.

jspec240 03-31-2010 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drftwerks (Post 3369825)
#/f/motorsports-skil...west-loop.html

june 4 buttonwillow track day. come on out. practice these techniqudes.

I will be there :) Im also tryn to get Bakersfield motivated in the drift scene. Now that I have had a few Im moving my next one to willow springs to change it up. Im still in the process of gettin my s14 together again and Damn times are hard and Im tryn to hussle.

All of the events i put on I have made 0$ because I just want people gain the passion that I do for the sport and realize that its not that easy.

see you there tho

drftwerks 03-31-2010 11:49 PM

awesome, glad to hear.

karl wasabi 03-31-2010 11:59 PM

This thread has a lot more information than I thought there would be. haha. Good stuff. Now only if I could read it...

jspec240 04-01-2010 04:25 AM

^^ yea it surprised me aswell... this is the beginning of Eric Castros Learn how to drift the "Right" way.. cause Drifting for dummies just wouldnt cut it... and chicken soup for the drifters soul would just be :ghey:


HOLLYWOOD!!

I do like the option vids with the shots of the pedal action.. haha

fckillerbee 04-01-2010 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turns101 (Post 3369293)
All of these techniques are very simple in a Miata. You guys should try it out some time..

I want to drive a little sparkly car! lol

flipnoi 04-01-2010 09:44 AM

track?
 
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks

ILoveMyRHS13 04-01-2010 10:04 AM

The point of track events is to learn, dude. Go out and have fun. Who cares what other people think of your driving. Fun is what it's all about. :)

chiboy002 04-01-2010 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xbroke_kidX (Post 3367750)
Foot brake to transfer. Idk just always done it. Let off the gas tap brake smash back on gas. Never used E brake for anything except extending. Dont really like e brake initiations. Either flick or clutch kicks.

thats what Katsuhiro Ueo does. check the vid out

this should give you a nice idea of what to do in drift/into

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHP1c...layer_embedded

fckillerbee 04-01-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipnoi (Post 3370379)
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks


you are a perfect candidate to come to a 626 drift event. We have plenty instructors on site, and eric castro and myself are one of the instructors there. We have a lot of seat time, and would love to get you behind a wheel.

Most people are shy, but we aren't, come out to a meet, meet some of the guys, we are all really friendly people.

http://626drift.com/

ericcastro 04-01-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipnoi (Post 3370379)
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks

yeah, come to the 626 event, or any other event that offers "instructors" and has a beginer group.

We have guys out there that cant even get a donut down.
and that can be you too, lol
it was all of us at one time.
It was me for a couple events ;)

The thing with the track is,

ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN ANYWHERE!!
Everyone at the track is cool.
Everyone is stoked you are there.
Everyone has a smile on their face
Everyone helps out each other.

Its a completely different scene then this forum, or Adams track show, or "street drifters".

Most guys that track, dont post much as its a waste of time to argue with someone that doesnt even drive.
You get lucky and have guys like turns101 and flybert chime in once in awhile, like in this thread.
But the general attitute people have here is not that of people that participate in motorsports on the track.

Forum people are like football fans.
All talk, but dont play any organized division/actually track their cars.
They think cause they played in HS/drifted a couple events 4 years ago, they have room to talk.
They play a game of touch football with some friends/street drift a corner, once in awhile, they still know how to do it.

No one at the track talks ANY shit.
We are all just happy to be in like peoples company.
Come to the track and join the family of people that actually drive their cars and support and are involved in motorsports.

When your at the track, being part of something, and you look down and see cars running big willow or streets, you really feel part of something great with alot of history.
Everyone is there for motorsports, no matter what kind,or level, we all share a passion.
There are no tools or noobs at the track.
We are all enthusiest.


Wether it is drift day, just drift, 626, or anyone else that is established and willing to teach.
Just get out their and join the community.

fckillerbee 04-01-2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3370561)
yeah, come to the 626 event, or any other event that offers "instructors" and has a beginer group.

We have guys out there that cant even get a donut down.
and that can be you too, lol
it was all of us at one time.
It was me for a couple events ;)

The thing with the track is,

ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN ANYWHERE!!
Everyone at the track is cool.
Everyone is stoked you are there.
Everyone has a smile on their face
Everyone helps out each other.

Its a completely different scene then this forum, or Adams track show, or "street drifters".

Most guys that track, dont post much as its a waste of time to argue with someone that doesnt even drive.
You get lucky and have guys like turns101 and flybert chime in once in awhile, like in this thread.
But the general attitute people have here is not that of people that participate in motorsports on the track.

Forum people are like football fans.
All talk, but dont play any organized division/actually track their cars.
They think cause they played in HS/drifted a couple events 4 years ago, they have room to talk.
They play a game of touch football with some friends/street drift a corner, once in awhile, they still know how to do it.

No one at the track talks ANY shit.
We are all just happy to be in like peoples company.
Come to the track and join the family of people that actually drive their cars and support and are involved in motorsports.

When your at the track, being part of something, and you look down and see cars running big willow or streets, you really feel part of something great with alot of history.
Everyone is there for motorsports, no matter what kind,or level, we all share a passion.
There are no tools or noobs at the track.
We are all enthusiest.


Wether it is drift day, just drift, 626, or anyone else that is established and willing to teach.
Just get out their and join the community.

devin is excluded from this bold text. after last event...he is official all time noob.

jspec240 04-01-2010 01:42 PM

Well i will be out there for sure... the no talkin shit thing and cool people is true.. and its another reason I love the sport. Ive met so many cool people in this sport I cant count. Get out there and do your best with what you got then start working on what you need to practice on to enhance your technique.

fckillerbee 04-01-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3370735)
Well i will be out there for sure... the no talkin shit thing and cool people is true.. and its another reason I love the sport. Ive met so many cool people in this sport I cant count. Get out there and do your best with what you got then start working on what you need to practice on to get some enhance your technique.

oh no....you WILL be drifting by the end of the day...working on your technique! lol

lflkajfj12123 04-01-2010 05:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONhXY7wXQU0

mmmm transition

fckillerbee 04-01-2010 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun (Post 3371071)

that was dope.

DALAZ_68 04-01-2010 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipnoi (Post 3370379)
Hey guys,

I'm actually new to drifting, but have always been a fan, WAAAAAY before tokyo drift and all that other nonsense coming from the new "scene". I'm not going to pose and act like I know anything about drifting or act like I actually do, because I dont.

But I've always wanted to hit up a track to LEARN. But I've always been scared because I dont want to get flamed or dissed for being a complete noob. Are people at the track nice/willing to give advice to someone wanting to learn? I'm pretty self conscious about what other people think, but at the same time I want to grow and learn more about what its like to drift. I love spectating, but I actually want to be the one behind the wheel. So I was just wondering what it's like to hit up the track, and the experience drivers have with fellow drivers on the same track. I guess the main point im trying to ask is:
What's the best way to learn this sport. I know you guys are giving advice and techniques, but is it best to just start out at a track and have other drivers help?

Sorry if you think i'm thread jacking, but I didnt want to strat a new thread. Im trying to keep it to the topic of techniques and learning, but everyone mentions the track and I was just interested what track experience is like.

thanks

the whole point of going to the track is to learn...dont be skerd...
hell im only 2 events in...and im still a noob, cant even initiate consistantly or donut (yeah im the noob castro was pointing out, thanks babe) and know jack shit...

my first event was horrid...second event not as bad...next couple of events i should be ok...it fucking takes time...

im just limited...my tree trunk of my leg covers my ebrake, so i cant use it...might just invest in a hydro...lol, but like Castro would say, dont be a tard, practice the basics (I.E. donuts figure 8's) and then worry about fine tuning little shit after...

DJPimpFlex 04-01-2010 05:33 PM

Yea I love the track so much. Hella cool people and everyone's down to help or learn and just bs.

turns101 04-01-2010 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee (Post 3370369)
I want to drive a little sparkly car! lol

Not sparkly anymore
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam.../UTI/tech1.jpg

Eric C always rocks out the info..

jspec240 04-01-2010 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee (Post 3370797)
oh no....you WILL be drifting by the end of the day...working on your technique! lol

lol I know I will, I have held a couple of my own events. Im not an amature but Im not a pro either I was referring to the flipnol when said he was new and wanted to learn more....

ericcastro 04-01-2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turns101 (Post 3371536)
Not sparkly anymore
http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam.../UTI/tech1.jpg

Eric C always rocks out the info..

saw that earlier.
I like the new color.
your car will get noticed alot more and look great in pics i think.

diggin the rest of the work on it too.

thanks,
i try to make up for my entertaining post, rants and "scene" cleansing by putting in some effort on a few threads a month, lol.
figure its my premie duty.
And i got plenty to share in the non turbo, low HP area.

You got a turbo, i cant help to much.
I got bad form with high HP, on and off the gas like a bass drum peddle, lol.

jspec240 04-01-2010 10:52 PM

Sick miata^^ I had a miata fly by me in Osaka. I saw him pulled over and he had 13btt putting out 450ps, I love rotarys and the way they sound but they dont last too long unless you pay mucho doe.


Ive really been lookin at miatas latley and am in the process of gettin one for my wife..



Im goin for a look similar to this and installing an sr20de.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c186/beezon/miata.jpg

they have awesome handling to begin with and dont need much HP :_)

turns101 04-01-2010 10:52 PM

Hey man, I didnt forget where I came from.. I remember low HP. Trust me. I had to change my pedal modulation and timing alot..

You keep it real bro, and I like it..

I am glad you like the car. You going to long beach??

turns101 04-01-2010 10:56 PM

Jspec
The Miata is great. I wouldnt say great for drift, but great beside that.
The one in the pic will be a nightmare on the street and ride like shit. The bumpsteer will chip your teeth. It will look dope though.. You will need to do a shit ton of work under those fenders to fit the bad ass wheels.

I will always have a miata in my life..

jspec240 04-01-2010 11:04 PM

damn.... well I guess Ill be hittin you up when I get one for info.. lol...

Im goin to LB I also got an invite to the after party from JR so LMK if you guys would like to roll Ive had a couple partys for them so he hooks me up..

Drift N Dragg 04-02-2010 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro (Post 3371603)

You got a turbo, i cant help to much.
I got bad form with high HP, on and off the gas like a bass drum peddle, lol.

Yeah, no kidding on the Turbo Non-Loveness.. Start calling you Clutch Eater .. :love: or Clutch :boink:, Master Turbo Exploder ... Haha even though it 'technically wasn't your fault, i still found it Hilarious!!

On that, I hope you make it out to the May events, would like to have you and fckillerbee in my corner for instruction to get me caught up to date, since its been like 5 years since i actually hit a track ..

jspec240 04-10-2010 03:59 AM

another technique is having your right foot on the brake and gas at the same time... I know they use it during the turn but isnt throttle control enough. Im guessing that its used for correcting a mistake...

any info would be useful.

!Zar! 04-10-2010 12:50 PM

I've never tried trail-braking mid drift. Only during circuit driving. If I'm braking during a drift, it is either brake, or gas. Haven't tried both yet.

YoungGun 04-11-2010 02:58 AM

I like to start the drift with the clutch.

jspec240 04-12-2010 01:20 PM

I really want to thank everyone for great input and keeping this thread on track with no sh!t talkin... Very valuable information and a special thanks to Eric!!

Slammed Assassin 04-14-2010 02:18 AM

hey flipnoi don't be afraid or shy to come out to the track. I remember my first time at the track earlier this year, i was shooting bricks!. But when i got there all the pressure was off and i had a blast. I am also running a sohc KA. I started out with donuts/8's and by they end of the day they told me to try the full course on balcony. To this day i still don't have the course down, im having trouble with transitions and such. An important key is track time, so that you are able to learn your cars reactions and try out different techniques.

let me warn you, going to the track is addicting!! haha

1on1 04-14-2010 10:02 PM

i've just read this whole thread and makes me want to go to these track events. i was mainly a grip driver and always wanted to learn how to drift. many of my friends go to track events and they are much more better than me. i feel the same way on what flipnoi said and makes me feel welcome if i ever go to a track event. i'll be probably be attending the suckafoosickness event since my brother and his friends are hosting that event.

im glad everyone in this thread made it comfortable for beginners to learn at the track, and hopefully you guys can give us noobs some pointers. i'll be reading this thread from now on.

BoostSlideWayz 04-14-2010 10:35 PM

man i wish i could drift.. my cars been sitting for 2 whole years and the whole build was to be for drift but now it just sits -__- ill still read up on this stuff so if somday i can ill know what im doing. or.. well some what know.. i think no matter how much you study when you get in the car it kind of clears out your mind .

GT Motion 04-14-2010 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspec240 (Post 3385106)
another technique is having your right foot on the brake and gas at the same time... I know they use it during the turn but isnt throttle control enough. Im guessing that its used for correcting a mistake...

any info would be useful.

The technique you are probably thinking of is left foot braking. If you can learn how to left foot brake correctly, and master all the other techniques there will never be a turn you can't handle.

If you are sliding towards a tight turn, when you close in on the apex you can keep a decent amount of speed, and where you would normally start drifting out wide on the exit, you can use your left foot to work the brake pedal, and keep your right foot on the gas. This will slow the front wheels and you can maneuver the rear end around with the gas while having more control of the cars position than if you just were working the throttle.

!Zar! 04-14-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1on1 (Post 3392840)
i've just read this whole thread and makes me want to go to these track events. i was mainly a grip driver and always wanted to learn how to drift. many of my friends go to track events and they are much more better than me. i feel the same way on what flipnoi said and makes me feel welcome if i ever go to a track event. i'll be probably be attending the suckafoosickness event since my brother and his friends are hosting that event.

im glad everyone in this thread made it comfortable for beginners to learn at the track, and hopefully you guys can give us noobs some pointers. i'll be reading this thread from now on.

Yeah, track is the shitttttttt. I'm always down to help out and inform/instruct at the track. Nobody hates at the track.
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Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz (Post 3392878)
man i wish i could drift.. my cars been sitting for 2 whole years and the whole build was to be for drift but now it just sits -__- ill still read up on this stuff so if somday i can ill know what im doing. or.. well some what know.. i think no matter how much you study when you get in the car it kind of clears out your mind .

Why is your car not running? No point building a car that just sits. It's dumb. You don't need much to drift. Get it running and go out!
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Originally Posted by GT Motion (Post 3392880)
The technique you are probably thinking of is left foot braking. If you can learn how to left foot brake correctly, and master all the other techniques there will never be a turn you can't handle.

If you are sliding towards a tight turn, when you close in on the apex you can keep a decent amount of speed, and where you would normally start drifting out wide on the exit, you can use your left foot to work the brake pedal, and keep your right foot on the gas. This will slow the front wheels and you can maneuver the rear end around with the gas while having more control of the cars position than if you just were working the throttle.

I'll have to try this next time I'm out.

1on1 04-15-2010 01:09 AM

mel once my car is ready, you're gonna give me pointers d:D

iSLYD 04-15-2010 07:38 AM

hey guys i gotta rb20de with an hks intake filter and an exhaust in a four door 32 check my build thread, thing is i am gettin a det like next week but want some tips for my lower powered na car for kickin her out, all i seem to be able to do is rev in first and mabey rev match into second and she'll slide a bit.. any tips would be appreciated

cfrost 04-15-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by iSLYD (Post 3393288)
hey guys i gotta rb20de with an hks intake filter and an exhaust in a four door 32 check my build thread, thing is i am gettin a det like next week but want some tips for my lower powered na car for kickin her out, all i seem to be able to do is rev in first and mabey rev match into second and she'll slide a bit.. any tips would be appreciated

Go as fast as you can before you do anything... that's probably the cardinal rule for lower powered cars. All within what you're safe doing, that is.

The best thing to keep in mind is that it's good to go online and see what everyone's doing, but you'll learn a lot more a lot faster at the track asking someone with more experience to ride along or to drive your car :bigok:

BoostSlideWayz 04-15-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar! (Post 3392932)
Yeah, track is the shitttttttt. I'm always down to help out and inform/instruct at the track. Nobody hates at the track.

Why is your car not running? No point building a car that just sits. It's dumb. You don't need much to drift. Get it running and go out!

I'll have to try this next time I'm out.

well.. my motor is bad.. and i lost my job.. so the car is just not coming together as fast as i wish it could.. im not like every other guy on here that can afford all the parts in 2 months im not rich all i can do is sell things when i can and when i do then i can get a part or 2 but untill i somehow get another job the cars just not gonna run.

Flybert 04-15-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cfrost (Post 3393340)
Go as fast as you can before you do anything... that's probably the cardinal rule for lower powered cars. All within what you're safe doing, that is.

The best thing to keep in mind is that it's good to go online and see what everyone's doing, but you'll learn a lot more a lot faster at the track asking someone with more experience to ride along or to drive your car :bigok:

I agree with Colin. An important part of learning is riding in cars with people who are better drivers than you. Letting instructors drive your car is also a good thing because you can mimic their techniques and you know it will work in your car because they just did it in your car.

Occasionally, instructors like myself sometimes have a difficult time drifting student's cars the first lap or two due to improper setup of the car. I can usually give people advice on how to better set up their cars for better consistency especially if it's s-chassis related. That is also another good reason to let an instructor drive your car.

I even drive other staff members cars to help them try and diagnose what's wrong with their setup. There is always room for improvement. I remember letting Ryan Tuerck drive my car before I rebuilt it from the bottom up when he came out to one of our ASB's and it gave me a better idea on how to setup my car when he gave me his feedback. I was still stuck in the lower is cooler trend and he noticed that my front tires were bottoming out under transition at Balcony but since I had grown so accustomed to it, it felt normal to me. I was supposed to drive his FD s13 coupe later on so that I could feel what a well setup s13 felt like but I never got around to it because him and I were so hung over and we both got a late start the next day at HTM. We had time for a nice tandem battle where my car got smoked because it didn't drift as fast and I finally realized the difference between a "cool" drift car and a well setup FD s13 is like.


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