Yeah I know y'all are right, but maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan I was hopeful for a split second. haha

similar to how glysophate is present in fucking EVERYTHING now. Even bottled wine shows high levels of it. We're getting off topic, back to Uncle Biden.

I am just waiting for Obama's post-Katrina FEMA coffins and Obamacare death panels to come back.

What happens when the President(and HHS Secretary) lies to state governments about the existence of a strategic vaccine stockpile and tells people to administer first doses knowing there aren't enough units for follow up doses?

Criminal charges when both are outside of the DOJ unofficial-rule-rule, as soon as Wednesday afternoon?

mr nismo is probably one of the few SANE people in this thread. but douchie above, is a straight LOOOOON

You saying he's sane after what you had to say in the last thread is exactly the point I was making. Thanks.

You insisting that you can call me racist, and I just have to accept it and move on is why this thread will be echo chamber.

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And so it begins

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/16/u...gislation.html

Like Trump did with Obama, I wonder if parts of Biden's legacy will be dismantling whatever Trump did just because it is Trump.

I know little about the paris accord so I cannot comment on whether him rejoining is good or bad.

This is kind of the issue with executive actions. They can be a volleyball depending on who wins the next four years.

You still refuse to get out of your fucking feelings and actually read. You are the company you keep, and that's your echo chamber.

Moving the fuck on.

Our current paradigm has given the presidency too much authority to create policy be decree. Congress needs to step up, regardless of party.

So many of these groups have danced between cult and paramilitary for years. I truly do not understand why they're been allowed to flourish.

My feelings? You called me a fucking racist. I fully believe you'll get the same leeway zombie and rebuild did for the fucked up shit they said, (fair is fair) so at this point, since you want to defend calling me a racist for nothing, fuck you.


// To add, AGAIN, for anyone who wonders on this thread, I'm not a conservative, and all I did was disagree an packing the supreme court and congress. What a fucking joke this is.
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Nothing. I'm not supporting what occurred, but this could be viewed as miscommunication and/or administrative errors.

IMO, I don't think the dismantling would be purely out of spite. Of course Biden was not a fan of some of the actions done by the Trump's administration, but he doesn't have a track record of showing absolute hate/disgust towards him and everything he does.

Yeah, right. Like you need ANOTHER thread to grandstand on.

We can close this thread and turn it into the 'Kingkilburn Enlightens Zilvia: Dissenters Will Be Summarily Executed' because this dude is dead set on embodying the mannerisms of the people he's so against. Oh the irony.

OT:

For anyone that cares, the Japan bases are getting the vaccines now. They've started to roll them out but they're optional. We'll still be on lockdown and have to wear masks which is expected at this point, but meh.

Genuinely asking: if the FDA can approve a vaccination for emergency use but not fully 'FDA Approve' it...what gives? If it's gonna be approved, why not just approve it. Is this in the realm of politics? I don't know, but someone mentioned the COVID plan for the US. Thought I'd let you know what we're getting over here.

You claim I'm grandstanding but won't hear anything I'm saying and clearly refuse to move on. I'm not apologizing, you wouldn't be satisfied even if I did. The old thread is locked and any disagreements don't need to be drug out across the forum. How is loud mouth Kilburn the only adult in the room?



Emergency approval gets the current vaccines out there while acknowledging unknowns. A year plus from now when, hopefully, covid19 is no longer a global pandemic but still requires vaccinations the currently available vaccines may not be what eventually gets full approval. There's a lot more study that needs to go into regularly approved vaccine. Think about how many years we heard about hpv vaccines before they finally got widespread approval. The vaccine hasn't really changed but they wanted to know how different demographics reacted to it.

Calling me a racist isn't a disagreement. I'm simply asking you to retract your bullshit statement for disagreeing with you. I don't know how the fuck you call yourself an adult when you do that.

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You've got a problem and it doesn't have anything to do with me. It's not like you've actually understood anything I've said anyway. If you remember I never said you are racist. I said the equivalent of "if the shoe fits" and I said it to demonstrate a point. You and these other assholes lost your goddam minds. Apparently everyone reads the words they want people to have said.

You all can believe what you want and think of me as you like. I don't fucking care. I do care about you continuing to derail the thread. So let's all move the fuck on already.

I do have a problem. I have a problem with your statement and grouping of me in with zombie and rebuild for their racial (and literally racist) statements. All because I disagreed with you on a matter. We were debating just fine until you made it personal (directed at me) and not general discussion of policy. You then stated things that were happening to you outside the forum. I still supported you in that shit was not okay, even after the bullshit you said to me. Then because I disagree with you on some policies, you want to double down, group me with those fucks, and plaster how you feel about it. Even when other forum members pointed out these things, you continue to tell me I just have to take it and move on... All because you say so.




You're a fucking hypocrite and the one that made it personal. Just as you said as long as you're allowed to post, you'll say whatever the fuck you want. Ill keep pointing out your bullshit. Just because this is a new thread, I have to let go your comment? Nah, not happening.


I literally posted a screenshot of your reply to my disagreement. Your statement was indirect, but still stands as what it was meant to convey, along with telling me I am the same as a forum member who literally called another one the N word. Don't fucking play games "well if the shoe fits"... cover, and then tell me to be quiet.

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Buddy, I just reread everything you've posted from the old thread to now. You're a straight up drama queen twisting events to invent victimhood. Crying about words I never said in a debate you made shitty.

Do you really want this to be a battle of screenshots? I've got those too. The thread was locked not deleted. Anyone that wants to can go see me not calling you racist and you make it personal the first time you disagreed.

Fucking stop already. Get over your fake hurt feelings and let the thread continue.

Twisting events? The second you made your statement I told you something. I've been saying the same thing since then. I'm well aware the thread is still there, that's the point... My feelings aren't hurt, you idiot. You indirectly called me a racist, and grouped me in with zombie and rebuild. I'm not down for that shit, and told you something. You defend your words because I'm apparently the same in association because you say so... Ive stated multiple times to just retract those statements, and you refuse to. Instead you ignore what I say, tell me to deal with it/move on, tell anyone else thats told you something to fuck off, etc. That's literally when the last thread ended. You bitched about being called out not just by me, but other forum members telling you to chill. Yet you insist you're righteous and what you say goes.

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So Giuliani won't be representing the impeached president, because of his own speech making him a witness.
The speech he says he took elements from the "HBO Documentary" Game of Thrones. He will probably see charges from that as well.

I hope you were looking in the mirror when you said that. While I do not care to go back and reread everything that was said in the old thread in THIS thread you are just as responsible for perpetuating the derailing as he is.


This part is true. He is ignoring your calls to retract said statements. If you don't care then don't pander in to it. You have clearly defended your point about not being racist. At this point going back and forth has no benefit to either of you.

Unlike zombie and s14rebuild I have not see anything racist from Mr. Nismo. As I stated before just because someone voted trump does not make them a racist. That word has become so water down thanks to people like you kilburn.

Clearly neither one of you is changing the other's mind. At this point tell each other to fuck off and go back to debating policy not this "you said, no you said" you two are doing now.

Capitol under lockdown due to as-yet-unspecified "external security threat."
This last two and a half months has been a Social Studies teacher's dream.

How are you going to sit there and say this is my fault when you haven't read the shit and I've been saying to move on? Jesus fucking christ. I never called him racist. He made it personal and shitty. He won't leave it alone.

I have nothing to retract. I've been saying to drop it and move on the entire fucking time in this thread.


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https://imgur.com/a/Dj2xkLD
Don't fucking bullshit and gaslight me. I said what the fuck I said and I stand by it. If the mods want this to stop say so directly and without pretending I'm the one continuing to bring it up.

India's put special approval on an Indian-developed vaccine as well.

Truth is, we are being used as guinea pigs for a relatively experimental drug- but the disease is worse than the cure. Also, the funding, creation, distribution, and application of the vaccine creates and keeps jobs pretty much everywhere.

Also, methinks end runs like this show the bureaucracy of the FDA a little too blatantly if one thinks about it.

Reading is fundamental.

I said it is both of you. I don't actually care what you two are arguing over. The fact is you both continue to bicker like children when it is pointless to do so. Hence derailing the thread.

Lockdown is lifted

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/polit...ire/index.html

Your fucking comment was directed at me, no shit it was personal..

Ill unsub this thread then. Since you believe everyone should own up to the fucked up things they say except for you, because you're so fucking special. This kind of shit it why there's no real debate, just echo chamber bullshit.

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mr nismo...
you're fighting an uphill battle of stupidity with the king of stupidity

be proud that you are out-gunned. it takes a special type of moron to be on his level. haha

2 days until insurrection v2. I wish zombie was here to spew conspiracy theories. I enjoyed that more than incessant bickering about who said what lol


https://i.imgur.com/34svJiu.jpg

That just about sums it up lol

I've come to realize I am much more at ease and a happy person without visiting the old trump thread regularly lol

"Fuxk your feelings "

A few things:

1. We're changing hands of the presidency in less than 24 hours
2. That thread is closed
3. Those two have been banned

Zilvia seems like less of a hotbed for activity but an overall less hostile environment.

Anyone else just super fucking bummed out that the Capitol is surrounded by armed troops and locked behind checkpoints and barriers?

This isn't supposed to be us. Four years with that fucking orange goon in office broke the US.

I saw this gem on some wannabe famous IG gal's story today.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8...2021-01-19.jpg

I hope she realizes Biden isn't in charge yet... Not that I think it'd be any different....

What are you more afraid of, immigrants fleeing violence, terrorism, and poverty, OR entitled, radical, violent, ignorant Americans with weapons and terroristic intent?

This is the unfortunate reality of using extremism to gain and maintain power. When you pivot from it it becomes a direct threat.

Silver lining, they can't ignore these people and how they were radicalized anymore.

There are antagonistic members on both sides of the spectrum, but one clearly denies being antagonistic and also uses the same tactics. How righteous of ye.

I know y'all can't imagine my tone of voice when I type things like this, but do y'all see how people are pushing for the divide while preaching the opposite?

I guess I don't care too much. I don't know your life experiences and you don't know mine...but it sounds like a lot of you have never been outside your homogenous group of friends or left CA for any significant amount of time. Of course I could be wrong, but dang.

This thread will be an echo chamber soon, and the loudest voices will deny it being such.

Fine people on both sides of the tiki torches, eh?

Trying to finally address the elephant in the room after generations of asking for it isn't pushing the divide. Trying to kill members of Congress and the Vice President because you don't like the results of a free and fair election is. Fully outing those responsible, the means through which this was started and carried out, and justly punishing them in the court of law is how we heal the divide. Anything short of that is begging for repeat incidents.



Countdown to wild accusation based on something I most definitely have not said.

Man if you are anything, it is predictable.



You, my friend, are a Proud Boy/MAGA Man/Trumpster. This proves it. You use the same tactics and refuse to acknowledge it. Antagonizing...but it's okay for you, right? You hate bullies, but bully people?

Your response is so loaded with unspoken accusations that you've essentially outed yourself as the close-minded bigot everyone is trying to implore you not to be.

...but you'd probably say something like "Ye this is 'Murica n I know ma RIGHTS."

I wonder who you sound like...you wearing your Trump 2020 shirt?


OT:
I think this type of stuff IS on-topic for this thread. If we can debate/argue without turning into the two previously banned members we should do it, though I highly doubt anyone here is open to stepping down from the altar of righteousness.



Is the quote from kingkilburn? Or are we failing to acknowledge that Zilvia's paragon is damn near the same as the other dudes?

You really need a bad guy, don't you. No existence without opposition.

I've been BEGGING to talk about anything but me and the old thread but you outright refuse. The crusade cannot be allowed to end. We must burn and destroy until we are satisfied!


We could be discussing dozens of things related to what's going to happen tomorrow morning after 4 years of bullshit. Cabinet nominations. Proposed changes to covid relief. Minimum wage increase. Impeachment fallout. Big tech antitrust under new DOJ leadership. The likelihood of legislation killing internal combustion at some point.
But no. Let's keep talking about me. Let's make claims about me based on nothing. Let's claim I said things you can't or won't quote.

Mother fuckers have been talking mad shit for weeks and refuse to talk about anything else and I'm the one antagonizing. You guys want to keep pushing until I say something stupid like zombiewolf, s14rebuild, and very nearly corbic before he dropped out. It's not going to happen. It was never going to happen.

...brother I AM QUOTING you. You like to seem smart, the deny implied accusations (by using inflammatory language) against other members like you don't know how loaded words work. You are a troll of the highest order, like a Trumpster.

Like it or not, your behavior here IS part of the problem and IS worth discussing because people like YOU will hold us back. You just want to sweep it under the rug in the face of the overwhelming evidence that you are, in fact, a Proud Boy by your definition. The moderators see it, and I'm pretty sure the guys agreeing with you are tiptoeing around it because they can see it. They, however, are not attacking others.

...so you found that mirror afterall, eh?

Man the kool-aid and hypocrisy runs deep around here.

How in the fuck do you assholes hound me for days over some shit I never said and I'm the bully? Now you're calling me a proud boy and Trump supporter but you're not antagonizing?

You are LITERALLY doing what you claim I'm doing while I never wanted any part of this as I've consistently said. Move the fuck on.

Curious to see how many unqualified friends (financiers) Biden stacks his cabinet with.

Another $1400 would be nice if I ever receive the first $600... as long as he doesn't think that's going to be enough to sustain people through another shutdown :facepalm:

Curious to see how minimum wage increase works out. I have yet to hear a super solid argument for or against. Seems somewhat arbitrary to me.

They said by 2050 right? I hope they implement some sort of battery manufacturing standards to go along with it. Currently electric cars just outsources the environmental damage to a different country where the materials for the batteries are mined. As if pollution isn't a global problem. Let's just open the door and turn on the heat while we're at it :Ownedd:

Well, I got what I wanted. I guess you DO know how antagonizing language works...but (again) only when it's used against you. Funny.

By assholes, do you mean mr.nismo and I? What about the moderators? I guess this is a case of selective outrage, wouldn't you agree?

You're right. You didn't outright say it. You didn't have the balls to say it. You just beat around the bush. I fail to see how someone will such a good grasp on the English language can deny knowing what 'insinuating' is.

Mods, other members, if you think I derailed the thread I'm sorry. I think the way humans are interacting on the internet (in regards to our country and our politics) is DEFINITELY worthy of 'hashing out' here. I personally liked the way mr.nismo presented his thoughts and if he feels ostracized from this thread due to another member I think we should address it. if I'm wrong, let me know.

For the record, I have not neg-rep'd anyone here for disagreeing, but I guess I caught some from the last thread. I still won't stoop to that level.

Dude I wonder what this means for CA. They want to be 'ahead of the curve' and be there by 2035...

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/go...limate-change/

The big impact I see from a minimum wage increase is a massive increase in taxable income in states that have been below water in tax revenue for decades. That's a lot of local funding for infrastructure, education, healthcare, etc, and it won't have to be in the form of federal handouts with strings attached.


I've always been dubious of the rush to hybrids and all electrics specifically because of the lead acid and lithium batteries. There's a lot of dirty politics involved there with seemingly few people speaking up with better solutions. Just the container ships moving raw materials around had to be more pollution than modern cars driving around.

It means they are giving authorization based on an emergency situation, bypassing the normal waiting period for studies to be completed (and for any anomalies to show up post-vaccination)

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-b...ines-explained

I think the main thing is, don't be stuck on the terminology. EUA is approval, and until there is data to prove otherwise it will stay in place indefinitely as long as there is an emergency (COVID-19)


I have said this on other car forums, my next non-gasoline car will be some type of fuel cell car.

The 2021 Mirai is promising but 1) the trunk is too damn small, and 2) the back seats are too damn small.

Yeah I did some more research last night. We're 1B so we should be seeing it soon.

Here's a fun fact: The Mirai is some Prius-looking thing here in Japan. I just saw the US Mirai this morning on Doug Demuro's channel lol.

Knowing CA, I wonder how much more expensive it will be to keep our SChassis cars road legal by then...

I said what the fuck I said. I'm outspoken and I never mince words. I have been crystal fucking clear the whole time. If you think I was talking about you you're right. You're being an asshole and a bully. I never once told anyone to not post. Don't put that shit on me. You clearly are not looking for resolution or understanding. Just keep stirring that pot while living up to the very letter of what you claim to be criticising.


Kiss my ass and fuck off. Was that clear and direct enough for you?


I cannot wait for a mod to show up only to tell me I'm out of line after pages of this bullshit. This is fanfuckingtastic. So much for civility.

*See below keyword

hypocrisy
/hɪˈpɒkrɪsi/

noun
the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

Maybe you having to deal with me will help you work out what the above definition means. I used hypocrisy to show you yours. Call me Morpheus.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...2U-Tw&usqp=CAU

I, like other members, don't believe there's a resolution or understanding to be found with you. You will only accept 100% compliance and people just don't work like that. Anyone 'less' than your expectations of them are the scum of the Earth.
Fun fact: that's how you bully someone into becoming a Trump supporter or a Biden supporter or a whatever-you're-against supporter. You are radicalizing your opposition. Congrats, you just played yourself.

Yes. You are in fact a hypocrite. Fuck off.

I will consider fucking off. You would like me to and I don't know if I would like to, but in the spirit of debate I will consider your side of the issue.

Thank you.

Apparently Trump wants to start his own political party. Terrifying and also potentially the best possible outcome.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/tru...FPqr5fMzg1Bkbs

Meh I'm good. corbic is back so no thanks to that shitshow of engagement.....

He, just as much as the rest of them, have blood on their hands and they can rightly fuck off as they pedaled the trump shit (and STILL do) so hard.

Sadly. NOTHING has changed.

Anyone taking bets on another terrorist riot in DC today?
The only person on Zilvia with apparent knowledge of the first one got himself banned when it didn't have the intended outcome.

I'll call.

With all the troops stationed and fbi locking people up the maga group will not do a thing other than bitch on twitter.

Another? When was the last one? 9/11?

hahaha

well said

politics as us-u-al

Today is the first taste of normalcy in more than four years. It's not what I wanted but holy shit is it good.

You're on the wrong side of history, my dude.

The attack on the Capitol fits the literal definition of terrorism: "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."

Violence: attacking police and destroying windows and offices. Literally beating an officer to death.

Threats: "Hang Mike Pence"

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First, I'm not your Dude.

Second, oh the mountain of hypocrisy.

So pushing past some barricades and taking an unguided tour of the capital is "terrorism"...

But..

Firebombing the Federal Court House in Portland is an act of protest....

What about when protestors stormed the Hart Senate Office Building to disrupt the confirmation hearings for Judge Kavanaugh... Two days in a row?

Was that terrorism?

What about when protestors stormed and occupied the Wisconsin Capital building for like a fucking month to stop all government work on right to work legislation?

Was that terrorism?

What about when protestors seized an entire 4 blocks of a city, buried a police HQ l, murdered 12 people and declared independence from thr US...

Was that Terrorism?

You telling me I'm on the wrong side of history is like Adolf telling Mackensen he was on the wrong side of history in 1933.

When in doubt, Kampf it out. Folx like you always find a way.

The difference between you and me is that I didn't condone any of the things you just listed. I didn't downplay them and pretend that they weren't what they were because the people may have agreed with me politically.

Antifa and BLM were protesting now? Not rioting? It was rioting before- did you just mis-type? Were they protests because now the Capitol invaders can be protestors, rather than rioters?

C'mon, Corbic.

Speak of Corbic and he doth appear. I should never have mentioned him.

This feels huge. If they are willing to come back to the table in good faith after what Trump and Pompeo pulled it kind of changes the regional narrative we've been running with for decades.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN29P0NK

From Chris Wallace's mouth to your ears.

https://twitter.com/LisPower1/status...679046658?s=19

i'm seeing a pattern here. . . . . :bash:

Authoritarian is as Authoritarian does.

Please show me condoning anyone or anything. You linked me supporting Homeland targeting suspected agitators and arresting them in low profile ways.

I'm glad you'd rather get into a historical semantics debate rather then addressing the hypocrisy and actual issues.

The reality is, what happened on January 6th was par for the course in terms of the last 10 years of political based action - riot, protest or otherwise.

Yet you and your corporate overlords are shitting themselves, black listing, banning and calling for counter terrorism efforts. How long before China Joe starts drone striking people?

If you had a memory longer than the latest news cycle, you'd realize the "Right" has not moved to the extreme. They haven't moved in 60 years. It's the left that has moved and just calls the right extreme because they are farther away.

So rather then "coming together", you've impeached the president again, which means fuck all while accosting 80 million Americans as extremist terrorists.

This could have all been avoided had you accepted the proposal to hold a 10 independent investigation to review the accusations of voter fraud.

After all , you did support a now debunked 4 year Russia Collusion Investigation predicated on what was essentially election tampering by the DNC....

Yeah, inconvenient truths.

Your side does it for 10 years it's fair. Other side does it once and it's time for a screeching party and when someone points out thr hypocrisy you plug your ears.

You're 100% correct about the right not moving. They've been terrorizing the country for generations. Bombing churches. Shooting up clinics. Torching entire neighborhoods. Using the power of government to render undesirables second class citizens.

The only difference now is being able to go live on Facebook so the whole world sees it in real time.

In theory, sure, because they keep peddling the same bullshit because it continues to sell votes (same goes for the left), but they are nothing like the parties 60 years ago. Everyone is owned by someone other than the citizens and the ideas they're supposed to represent. America, a country by the corporate-backed upper class for the corporation-owning 1%. Isn't it beautiful? Looking down from Mount Olympus at the little red ants fighting the little black ants for our crumbs instead of climbing onto our table is H-I-L-ARIOUS!

It pains me to say that Corbic brings up a valid point that no one wants to see, but he does. I honestly never heard the term 'what-aboutisms' until it was typed in this thread, but when you're comparing things isn't that how you go about it? He isn't comparing something recent (Capitol) to something that happened forever ago...

If it's terrorism for one act and not the other, well, you know. It's just like Twitter.

Where a lot of people see defense of some fuckwit they turn a blind eye to the even application of the rules. The blanket of righteousness is warm but is also blinding.

Comparing things isn't what what-about-ism is doing. He's deflecting by drawing open ended bad faith comparisons. Don't fall for literal soviet social control tactics.
Any discussion of BLM is a separate matter from what happened at the Capitol two weeks ago. I'd be happy to have those discussions but not with constant gotchas and deflection in play.

It's not designed to be a gotcha.

Twitter bans Trump and people planning the Capitol siege, but was there ever any bans or reviews of the people that turned the BLM protests into riots?

What about the city of CHAZ?

These are honest questions, and not an attempt at a 'gotcha'. If anything, the 'gotcha' would be aimed at Twitter and the powers-at-be not labeling things with the same methodology.

EDIT: I just re-read my post and it's shittily written, but I am having a hard go at life today. Apologies in advance.

You do realize the Right / Left dichotomy has nothing to do with GOP / DNC. It goes back to the French Revolution to describe the two sides of the table.

The GOP is nothing but thr DNC Lite Edition. The DNC being an Authoritarian Corruption machine that will do anything to stay in power.

The DNCs sudden tailspin for Queer Activism is nothing but a vote grab. Their touting of minority advancement an utter lie. Unchecked immigration just means more votes.

After a year of BLM/Antifa riots what did the DNC give ya'll? A woman sniffing racist who helped build the police state your crying about and thr Top-Cop corrupt DA that laughed about locking black men up for slave labor.... Both of whom are 100% supported by those big tech and investment billionaires you so hate.

Good Job. Hope and Change you can believe in.

Who wants to take bets on how many weeks until we invade a 3rd world country or start lobbing missiles at children?

Read and lets discuss

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/202...within/171486/

couldnt agree with you more. as far as i'm concerned, they can all go and get fucked.

i love how people think ANY of these people have our interests in mind. pandering douchebags

This is good:

If the GOP is to have a future outside the fever dreams of internet trolls, we have to call out falsehoods and conspiracy theories unequivocally. We have to repudiate people who peddle those lies.

We also have to show a healthier path forward. The frustrations that caused so many people to turn in desperate directions for a political voice are not going away when Trump leaves the White House for Mar-a-Lago, because deception and demagoguery are the inevitable consequences of a politics that is profoundly, systemically dysfunctional. We must begin by asking how we got to such a discontented place, where we are mired in lies, rage, and now violence. In this essay, I am focusing on the maladies of the right, but Americans across the political spectrum are falling prey to the siren song of conspiracism.

but holy FUCK this is the winner:

Sensing a chance at tribal expansion, some on the left are thrilled by the chaos on the right, and they?re eager to seize the moment to banish from polite society not just those who participated and encouraged violence, but anyone with an R next to his or her name. Already on Twitter, a conservative position as long-standing as opposition to abortion has been recast as ?domestic terrorism.? An MSNBC host talked about the ?de-Baathification? of the GOP, comparing rank-and-file Republicans to supporters of Saddam Hussein. In an exchange on CNN, a host accused Republican voters of making common cause with Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. Yet the exploitative overreaction by the left should not allow an underreaction by the right.

That, my friend, was a fucking GREAT article. I am going to share it.

The people that stormed the capitol and the people that turned BLM protests into riots are the very same. Proud Boys, 3%ers, Oath Keepers(who actually switched sides after more of the conservative political space homogenized), Qanon... Not to mention the police themselves, who have been noticably absent from right wing protest. If what you seek to protest is misuse of force wilful property damage is not a viable path forward.

The shit in Portland is complicated and predates BLM by years. They've got some nutty anarchists looking for any excuse to break shit. I truly wish they'd minded their own business. Most of the people calling themselves antifa are closer to those anarchists than I'm comfortable with.


The conservative militias that act as paramilitary cells and riot anarchists have really been fucking things up for everyone. They warp the narrative by stealing the focus. The vast vast majority of gun owners are not about walking around in tactical gear trying to intimidate, just like protestors aren't trying to destroy their communities.

I thought so too.

The writer had so many great points.

Politics has become such a teamsport these days. The left brands the right as evil/racists etc. The right brands the left as soulless idiots hell bent on destroying the nation.

Look at media. The fact that instead of being bias like it should be, it is right vs left media.

Like the writer put

Outrage sells. The problem is the lasting effects of said outrage. It stops discourse from happening and puts us against one another instead of simply disagreeing.

Just look at the prior thread and this one. It is less of a "I agree to disagree" and more of a "fuck you, I am right".

I'm at a point with news media that I want to see something coming from AP and Reuters before I even look at other takes. Report the facts and provide context, that's it.

#BidenErasedWomen is trending on Twitter because Biden signed an "Executive Order on Preventing and Combating Discrimination on the Basis of Gender Identity or Sexual Orientation".

There's your blue Qanon type shit. Insanity.

Yet again glossing over the part where I say, "same goes for the left," eh? Predisposed to making every conversation into some divisive bullshit. They're both fucked. You're delusional if you think one is better than the other. You think it's a dichotomy, but it's more like a symbiotic relationship.

The ills of capitalism know no bounds! There's no reasonable way to solve this problem. It really comes down to the person taking in the media to do their due-diligence and cross reference several sources across the political spectrum if they really want to build a global understanding of a specific topic - but I think most do not. We enjoy the bias confirmation.

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Not like it matters anymore, but the irony is unreal.

I agree here. Would you agree that condemning one movement due to these two parties you mentioned is also 'unfair' if you don't condemn the other? Not saying you specifically, just in general.

There's a quote making the rounds on social media about black ants and red ants. When placed in a jar together. they don't attack. When someone shakes the jar, they go bonkers. The media is shaking the glass, and I still can't figure out 'to what end'...just dollars and cents?


I don't know how old you are (I already sound preachy) but the two main dudes I was friends with in the military were my younger brother's age. They are good people at their core, but I always take the 'ol' peepaw' stance when I tell them they gotta stop blindly consuming 'news' from Twitter and Facebook. There's no need for confirmation, it's just easier to read and repeat than it is to research.

If you mean the two political parties, fuck both if them. There's some decent to good members of both in office but as organizations they both fucking suck.

If you mean the "two sides" of the issue I would argue that there aren't two sides or even a "correct" viewpoint. Having any social issue be able turn into anarchists and militias lobbing molotovs is something we should all be ashamed of. We've got to be able to have good faith discussion and know that the solutions chosen might not always be our favorite.