S14 5 speed swap ?'s
 

OK i have read the auto to 5spd swap FAQ and from what i am being told and comparing that to what i read it has misleading information.

I have a automatic 95 240sx with a bad engine. I have a complete ka24de and 5 spd trans,a random bracket a guy gave me he said i need for the 5spd swap, a harness, a lower harness, and a ecu, I also have The FRONT half of the driveshaft.

Now what i am trying to figure out is DO I NEED A 5 speed crossmember and do i need the back half of the driveshaft?


Also, anyone wanna recommend some basic maintenance i should do the the ka24de before i drop it in. I plan on doing front crank seal, rear main seal, V/C gasket set, and a oil pan gasket...anything else i should check?

Dear god... There are more FAQ sections out there than just the one. They all say you need the manual crossmember, why would you question it?

Remove the upper timing chain guide.

do i need a whole 5 speed D/S or is just the front half needs to be swapped? i got the front half that goes into the trans.

why remove the upper timing chain guide? i have seen inside the timing cover and zomg thats a mess of chains... :(

you do need a manual cross member. if the one the guy gave you had a "b" stamped in the center it's for 5-speed..if it has an "a" it's for auto..

also, here is a link to a thread that specifies lengths of drive shafts. measure the front portion that you have and see what you find out.
Driveshaft Lengths - Nissan 240SX Forums

if you have more questions let me know

The upper timing chain guide is easily accessible and only requires removing the valve cover. It is removed because over time the chain gains slack and will eat through it, possibly causing serious engine damage. If you remove it, you no longer have to worry about hearing the chain clank or possible engine damage.

Buy a 1- piece driveshaft for your car. Specify if it has ABS or not and make sure it's for a 5spd. This will save you the headache of finding the "correct" front half and eliminate your probably bad center carrier bearing in the process.

i have no crossmember...just the one thats on the car which is auto :(

i will measure what i got. i really need to stay with stock D/S because of money being tight...

where do you get a 1 pc D/S and how much do they cost? also how do i identify if it has abs or not? i do not see a big abs pump with any mess of hardlines so i assume it is a non abs s14.

any pics showing what cover to leave off? i thought crap/debris would get in there and tear up the chains/what not.

The upper chain guide does nothing really thats why Nissan put out a TSB on removing it. Google it for images, there are tons of info on it as well as one piece DS. Look in for sale section to see if you can find used one, new $300-400. The ABS pump will be on the passenger side of the car and will be obvious if you have it.

Did your leg work for you, Id pick this up but Im ABS..
#/f/sale-items/52225...t-non-abs.html

ah damn he is on the wrong side of the country..im in GA :(

im assuming the REAR half of the OEM 2pc design is the same regardless of auto or 5spd.

i can get the front half for 20

Send him a PM, just cause its listed local only doesnt mean offering him to pay shipping he wont, its been listed for over a month and no one has bought it..

you said the guy gave you a bracket, it's probably the cross member.

No no, it is a tiny bracket. it looks like a 4-5" x 4-5" square piece like a motor mount bracket.

i did...to no avail yet..just waitin... my main concern is i need a damn pedal assy for the brake and clutch and i also HAVE got to have the crossmember. :/

Like I said, check the for sale section, there are a bunch in there may have to go thru a few pages, research research research!! I found all my swap parts here and the other forums

i need a cross member for a 5spd and a pedal assembly. I searched and didn't find any :(

Is the cross member called something else? what am i missing here i figured a cross member / trans support would be easy to locate

Not sure how you're searching but I literally found this in 1 min crossmember-
#/f/sale-items/52596...rage-sale.html

Go to for sale section and look, everything you need for a swap is in there!!!!!

If you can't find it you arent looking hard enough.

Buy items new if you have too, don't be a cheap ass Honda owner... Oh wait you are.

i did call my friend across the street at the nissan dealership and the crossmember is discontinued.


i am buying one from the guy in that link

yeah man, doesn't seem like you're looking very hard. try a junk yard. most of the pieces necessary can be found on s13 as well (cross member included) as for the clutch pedal assembly you can rig a s13 one to fit, i've never done it, but i hear you can. as for the brake pedal, you can leave the auto one in and just cut it, i did this to mine and it worked out great

we got problems...the guy said he has 4 crossmembers and 2 are from a auto and 2 are from a 5speed and he cannot tell the difference and has no idea which one to send me...

how do we tell which is which!??

This quote was pulled from this thread...

he said he sees no stamp. Where is the stamp located?

you guys have to bear with me here i am being honest i am just confused and need this x member...

I have read so many threads and some people say they used the original auto x member and others say no way that would work...why the F is this happening?

ok crossmember i got coming to me is a s13 5 spd one...

now i need a damn clutch pedal and it is 279 on ebay!!! holy f lol

ok i got a guy in thailand sending me the pedal assemblies for s14

for future reference i guess, but the stamp is on the flatter side of the cross member. typically they've got gunk and grease caked on them, but once clean you should see the stamp.

ps. i hope you didn't pay anywhere near 279 for a clutch assembly. like I SAID EARLIER you could use a s13 one and put spacers on the back if you really needed. THAT could be had for about 40 bucks, at that it's worth a try i'd say.

i paid 100 shipped for the brake and clutch pedal assys

I have a 97 civic i am selling for 2200...what should i spend the 2200 on? I am thinking fortune auto coilovers?? i want some badass full adjustable coilovers that are good for street and drifting( i am going to learn how to drift this mofo eventually, if the ka24de can even do it)

also i got a guy who will weld my diff for posi lock...but i am afraid i will break an axle....any ideas

depends on what exactly youre trying to accomplish and definitely not a question to ask on here hahaha you'll get flamed! build your car how you want it, not how any of us want it. If your learning to drift, Id tackle suspension, brake and power first. Honestly you really dont HAVE to do anything, go enjoy the car and learn, then build as you go, throwing a bunch of $$ wont do anything until you learn the in's and out's.. IMO

I know that, i am not a dummie. lol

What i am asking is when i search for coilovers it shows me like 50 different brand ones...

what brand and how good of quality would 8-900 dollars get me. It has 262k miles on it and it has all original suspension and brakes. I will also upgrade front brakes eventually but i know it needs suspension parts bad.

why is it that only like 2 people are willing to help me. I just would like to say thank you to babyjesus, JR SS, and drifings14 for your help and support, I am honestly not trolling, I am just a new comer to nissans which is a WHOLE different WORLD compared to hondas. :/

I know a couple people sliding on Stance and others on Ksport....it's really preferable.
And you could slide with a KA....just take care of your suspension and shit first.
As far as brakes go....if you don't want your brake bias all fucked just go Q45 fronts

I suggest you go through your entire suspension and replace all the bushings, ball joints and anything else that needs attention. I'm sure brake lines need to be attended too as well. Don't get ahead of yourself, make things reliable before you start modding them. I'm sure owning a Honda is no different.

well i wanna replace all the bushings on the whole chassis but I dont know what brand to go with because i have not had good luck with energy suspension brand bushing on any of my hondas...they deteriorate over a short amount of time. I will do SS brake lines. Ball joints and tie rod ends will be done also.

Are GODSPEED coilovers any good? Meagan? ISIS brand?

I will look into several options because i know it is gonna need good coilovers because i plan on putting some 17x 9/10 or maybe some 18x9 (something in that range)

BTW, I sold a h22a engine i had for 700 and now i have a 97 civic i am selling so between the money from selling both i should be able to get a blacktop s14 sr20det... I am just torn between spending all my money on a sr20det s14 swap or alot of suspension parts

Ive got ISIS coilovers only cause I got them BNIB for a stupid deal.. I would suggest getting yourself a better brand than the ones listed unless you find a great deal like I did. As far as an SR goes, its my belief that you should build supporting mods first, suspension, brakes, etc before uping power. Get to know the chassis, how it handles, how it drives, how it feels when it breaks loose when least expecting it and THEN start upgrading. I remember when I came from my Jetta to a 240, its a different animal. By no means am I telling you what to do I dont know a thing about you or your experience driving, but Id build the car and make it safe to handle 200+ hp first.

can you post a pic of how your car looks with the isis ones?

also... can someone enlighten me on what 8k and 6k springs are? i always got springs by going by the spring rate in lbs likes 450 fronts and 375 rears etc...

also does putting coilovers on make it to where big wheels will fit the front because it rids the car of the huge fat front springs.:tinhat:

Dont mind the body, its in the shop now but here is with the ISIS coilovers..

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lol no problem man, people here are kind of biased when it comes to honda owners going nissan, fact of the matter is that we all have to start somewhere. and why not provide a little guidance towards new comers so that we can keep the stereo type from populating.

jr ss is right. take care of maintenance stuff before you go and start modding. since your pretty new to this you won't NEED any fancy suspension setup as others may suggest. I personally have had really good luck with megan and would recommend them.

I have never used godspeed, Megan or ISIS, but what I can tell you is they are cheap components and do not have the best parts on them. Typically I hear about their pieces or components of those pieces failing.

Save your money, buy something that has some R&D behind it. There are plenty of review threads or threads in general discussing these components.

As for bushing, you're going to have a hard time finding rubber/polyurethane replacement bushings for the chassis. Nismo offers better than OE quality replacement bushings but you'll pay for them.

I suggest you sit down and read. Do some research before doing a bunch of impulse purchases on crap you don't need or want and are of shoddy materials and craftsmanship.

damn you would think spending 7-900 bucks you would get decent stuff... :doh:

so if i were to buy regular like tokico blues and springs i wouldn't be able to fit bigger wheels and tires on it :( because of the retarded front springs are like the circumference of a damn basketball...


Being i have the whole engine and trans to go in it and i have my pedals and crossmember coming i basically just wanna do something to the chassis to get it in "better than new" (meaning i want improved handling and replace all needed parts to make the chassis ready for anything i throw at it)

bushings i will take care of...ball joints, tie rod ends, and misc chassis/steering parts etc... but the struts/springs have got to go..... and i need to know what the best decent coilovers i can get for 1k.... i am leaning toward meagan or isis...just because i am a beginner and can upgrade later but need somehting decent to get my by for atleast 2-3 years...

holy fcuk! will my car sit that low??!! with the isis?

I want it low but zomg that thing is on the ground dude!!

thank you for your patience as well as the other select few (basically everyone in this thread for helping me.)

I am sorry about being all over the place with my ?'s i do get ahead of myself sometimes...

In honda land funtion & form coilovers are kick ass... i found these F&F for like 830 bucks...

what do you guys think....function n form yay or nay..and yes i am reading info on suspension faqs but i am conversating with you guys so thats why i wanna know your personal ideas

a friend of mine had f&f's he said he like them..if you're looking for brand new coils I hear good things about fortune auto's. some stance's can be had for about 1k, I liked the way those felt.

if you can manage to find some used, not blown, "good" coils at a good price I wouldn't cut them out of the equation. I was lucky enough to find some used HKS coils at an awesome price and I can truly say they are worlds away in quality compared to most coils. I love them, sadly though they do not go that low.

ok i think i may go for the F&F ones...they look like a happy medium good mid grade choice for me...

I wanna make this thing handle really good before i throw a sr20 or rb25 in it

Fortune Auto and PBM's are pretty much it for beginner/entry level coilovers.

Your logic of "I'm a beginner, I can upgrade later" is crap. Why spend money twice, when you can save for an extra month and get decent components? It just makes no sense.

I'm sure you've seen this; cheap, fast, reliable, chose two... Typically, cheap doesn't fall into one of those two. Get your car running and driving before spending money on pieces that do not matter at this point of your "build".

i cannot afford PBM or fortune.... :(

I guess all i can do is f&f because of moneys.... i would love to save up and get them but when my wife sees the purchase of F&F's for 831$ she is gonna kick me outta the house for 2 days atleast..lol..

I am thinking about doing overlays for the rear qtrs but i feel awful cutting my qtrs and riveting on new overlays...i am just so scattered on what i am doing...

I do however have a good bit of comfort knowing i have Everything i need coming in the mail (s14 pedals coming from a guy in thailand, and a s13 5spd X member coming from somewhere here in the states)

Like I said, condense and organize. You don't need all that crap right now. Get the damn thing running and drivable.

Here's my white 240. I just removed the passenger side fender because it was aftermarket. Low quality. And the drivers side was a little damaged so I put mint cond dark green oem Nissan fenders on it today.

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Please excuse the filth. I have not washed it yet.

got the front bumper on it and all buttoned up..everything lines up perfect except the little baby grille that goes between bumper n hood...

should i do a build thread?? if so is there a certain section or... :/

Defintely do no start a build thread until its finished.. or at least driving and put together, you will get bashed and probably have the thread locked.. Best way is keep a folder on your comp for yourself, ask questions in the small questions thread and do tons, tons and tons more research. Id get the thing driveable, reliable and replace everything that it needs before considering over fenders. I know how you feel, there is so much to do so much you want but the reality is, in your words, is the funds arent there.. Take your time and do it right, the ONLY reason I picked up those coils is cause I bought them BNIB for less then $400, are they bad no but they arent what I was going to get. Im using these cause the stocks were shot and different heights, so getting around to body shop and what not. As jr ss said, do it right, first time else you'll spend $$ you dont need. Watch the for sale thread for suspension arms, coils, brakes, everything.. You WILL find it there, just takes time and you have to go thru and read what people have, make offers and keep track of things..

how come your front fender is much lower than the door? what happened?? i see alot of 240s fenders are like all over the place..up to high,,down low...like alignment is off whats causing this to happen to 240s??

Its not even bolted on.. Just did a quick mock with the old fender to see ride height, I actually raised it about 1/2", it was even lower than that at one point.. Its in the body shop now, just got navan stuff, should be a couple weeks, its rough so when its done Ill post some pics.. Also doing 5 speed swap and found everything on this site and one other site, just look

im doing a 5speed swap too, but see my white 240 has a ka24de and auto in it now and it looks like someone attempted to take the engine apart with the engine IN the car and they gave up...lol


BTW, what do you guys think about my white 240sx?? does it look like a jdm full blown d1 race car or what?!! lol jk

but seriously what do you guys think about my 240?

duplicate post. please disregard this post

Don't ask questions you aren't going to like the answer to.

Hey man this is Dean who sold you the trans crossmember, good luck with the build and contact me if you need anything!

LOL what??!

its still in stock form lol...

i thought it was pretty nice for a old 240sx...interior is pristine and the body has no dents or dings or any damage anywhere:2f2f:

1. It's not THAT old.
2. It's missing a bumper, grill, lights and your rear bumper is hanging off.
3. It's multi colored and dirty as shit.
4. It doesn't run, nor have a motor in it.
5. Clean it up, make it run and it won't appear to be a POS.
6. Converted Honda owners....:facepalm:

Comments made should be take as opinions. Don't get butt hurt based on my evaluation. Make it run, clean it up and I'm sure it'll be a nice car.

^^^lol I was gonna say that it looks like a solid place to start. the body looks straight for the most part which is more than i can say for a good portion of 240's out there. And jr ss is right (again) in that its not THAT old. in fact I bought by first s14 (like 08) liking it for the reason that it felt new.

front end is complete and looks great. i put the bumper on and the lights...

i havent been able to wash it because there is no water hose near the car :(

it does have a broken ka24 in it...which im replacing obviously...

the rear bumper has a broken hole that i have to fix so i can put a pop in christmas tree in to hold it. keep in mind i do have a whole willow pearl gold 240sx spare car too...

Not sure if your a troll or not, but I'm amazed at the amount of info people are giving you right off the bat instead of the usual flame on approach.

:dead:

no i am not a troll...

the reason they are helping me is because i am a very widely known throughout honda forums/communities and i am just trying to get into s chassis cars. I need good info and obviously i have nice friendly zilvians here helping me decide on what to do and what to buy etc...i am the first to admit i am lost as hell and need some good guidance on how to spend money appropriately instead of buying the same things twice yada yada yada.....



once again i appreicate those who are helping me...sorry my 240 isn't the best but it is all i got to work with and i plan on making it very nice.

I have already done 2 transactions here on zilivia where i found some cool people with even cooler prices so i jumped on em...im no troll bud

Did you see the car I posted?!?! Thats my POS, plenty of us start like that and work our ways up, just dont ask for opinions often ahaha.. Honestly, everyone is right get the car running and driveable first, plenty of unknown things will pop up during that process, trust me/us! Once that happens start investing in the basics and work your way up. Looks like a decent chassis, take your time, research, upgrade where it makes sense, research, drive and learn, research and mod.. oh and research! Im lucky enough to have a job I work online, so everyday, all day Im reading..

ok i just bought a complete front brake setup from a q45.... cost me 40 bucks from walsh nissan dealer across the street from me... the owner of the nissan dealer and honda place own the company i work at so i get insanely cheap prices...

(i bought the q45 setup from the parts mgr over there and he said its everything i need to put them on my 5 lug s14

im doing a 5spd swap on my s13 soon. im collecting all the parts. finding it hard to find a pedal assembly, driveshaft, and flywheel that isnt $300.

i found s13 pedals on ebay for 75

i ended up buying s14 ones for my s14 for 100 from thaialnd

got my 5spd x member today, just waitin on the pedal assys

Nissan 240sx - 5 Speed Swap - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC

the first 2 lines they show... do i need both?? one looks long and the other looks short... what one do i need or both??

nevermind i see now the long one goes directly from cmc to csc

Do yourself a favor and spend the extra money on a good clutch line... I bought the Isis one and it leaked straight out of the box.
Chase Bays Clutch Line - Nissan 240sx - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC

If not, just go buy a solid brake line with fittings already on it from autozone... Works just fine and is like $3 compared to $30-60

i wanna just buy one so its simpler on me i ordered the chasebays

You needed an entire thread for a 5 speed swap? Its really not that hard, not even the first time

hell yeah:naughty:

for the 240sx/ka24de i got these items today
water pump
v/c set
front crank seal
rear main
exedy normal clutch
chasebays clutch line
circuit sports shifter solid bushing
isis short shifter assy
circuit sports SS brakelines all the way around
oem nissan nabco CMC
rear extension housing seal/tailshaft seal
new pads n rotors for my q45 front conversion

next on my order list is the Powered by Max coilovers... :) i am excited :)


My wife said i am a fckin idiot for the fact im gonna spend 1100 on coilovers... she doesn't know how important they are.

i just bought the isis one. is it no good? -__-

It sucks. The isis one always leaks. I have the agency power. I like it.

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This is an amazing quote

this was enough for me to say F the isis line and get chasebays, no brainer..lol:smash:

i would cancel the order and go to enjukuracing.com and order the chasebays one...its like 20 bucks more :) :wackit:

i have read good things about agency power parts, i had a cat delete from them on a ol rx8 i had and it was good... and in general i read good things about agency, so i would say agency is a good brand to go with

thank you sir... my wife does make some very funny comments but i love her to death but damn, lol..

in reality a 1100 dollar set of coilovers is actually cheap..some of them cost like 2900 zomg lolz

Just to put this in perspective for you, 4yrs ago I paid $1575 shipped for a set of KW V3 coilovers. This is high quality stuff that is designed to make your car go fast around a track if you know what you're doing. They aren't designed to drag the metaphorical 240sx dick in the dirt, but they ride great and do everything I ask of and more, WITHOUT sacrificing ride quality when and where I want it.

enjukuracing.com

can someone point out which subframe bushings i need? i am confused because some look different than others and I am looking to replace the bushings that hold the rear subframe to the chassis and the bushings where the front subframe go to the chassis...

which ones are they??

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trying to order solid subframe bushings but i am confused on which set is for front and what is for the rear

There are no bushings for the front subframe...

ok so what would be replaced on the front then? i thought the front sub mounted to the car with bushings too...

anyways.. i got so much stuff coming in the mail thru frsport.com and chasebays and enjuku racing...i can't wait!

my exedy clutch came today

Am i reading this correct?? energy suspension brand rear subframe bushings require the original shell outer to stay in in order for these to fit properly?? from my understanding the old ones must be burned and knocked out and then clean it up really good yet Leave the outer original bushing shell IN the subframe while installing these ES bushings

this sounds so ass backwards..i think the whole bushing should be remove.d.

There are 4 main bushings for the rear subframe, the front crossmember is bolted directly to the frame rails. There are two front control arm bushings though. Also the energy suspension bushigns take place of the rubber part, not the metal shell.

Metal, unlike rubber does not dry up and shrink. Front control arm bushings are like this as well

so burn them old ones out and leave the shell intact??!

Drop the the subframe, dude....

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