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!Zar! 10-09-2015 10:36 PM

Donald Trump For President
 
Voting for Donald?

In support of Mr. Trump?

Y/N

Why/Why not?

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roboticnissan 10-10-2015 01:00 AM

I don't trust him to not have hidden agendas. He is for himself above all else. His views have all.flip flopped the last few years to fit the majority.

The main one being his view on the 2nd amendment. Not trust worthy, not getting my vote unless he's going up against Hilary or sanders

future 10-10-2015 01:43 AM

Gets my vote cause I like his no fuck attitude and ability to make money

simmode1 10-10-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by future (Post 5955451)
Gets my vote cause I like his no fuck attitude and ability to make money at the expense of the middle class.

Fixed that for ya. Bernie Sanders in 2016.

gearhead55 10-10-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1 (Post 5955716)
Fixed that for ya. Bernie Sanders in 2016.

Bernie 2016!

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/z...psenxjdzsc.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmVDmar9pkc

!Zar! 10-12-2015 09:39 AM

Getting the Latino vote.

Sup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJVAaPPXdew

STR8 H8N 10-12-2015 09:41 AM

http://lovelace-media.imgix.net/uplo...cee5a8273.gif?

JDM-Link 10-13-2015 01:42 AM

Yes!

One reason is that he has a damn good sense of humor, and uses it.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/politi...-care-package/

KA24DESOneThree 10-17-2015 07:46 PM

I'm not voting for Trump because he has no idea what he's doing.

Where are his positions on things other than tax reform, Second Amendment rights and immigration reform? How is Trump planning on fixing the massive pay gap for SS?

Why are his positions on Second Amendment rights so federal-forward with little regard for states' rights? Why are most of his ideas?

Why is he so wrong about immigrants to the States? They're statistically LESS THAN HALF as likely as those born here to commit crime.

Why is he in favor of raising tariffs to reform immigration? Is this 1930s America? Will he build sweet-ass dams too?

Don't triple ICE officers- just reassign. Why the holy fuck do I have to drive through immigration checkpoints in Temecula, CA and just south of San Juan Capistrano, CA- both approximately 70 miles from the border?

He's advocated the nuking of North Korea and further sanctions/use of force on Iran.

On the plus side, he was against the war in Iraq and thinks McCain is not a hero.

There is nobody who will win who will take this country where it needs to go. We seem to be gaining momentum toward failure.

Juantwo3 10-18-2015 09:54 AM

Feeeel the bern

TMW 10-18-2015 09:47 PM

can this be a serious thread about the race?

or just zar trolling lol

anyway. rand paul is who im supporting. someone debate me lol

zeitgeist 10-19-2015 08:09 AM

Sure why not, id love to see the world burn

STEEZxIT 10-19-2015 09:27 AM

i don't see how trump running for president is any different from kim kardashian running for president.

KAT-PWR 10-20-2015 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW (Post 5960217)
can this be a serious thread about the race?

or just zar trolling lol

anyway. rand paul is who im supporting. someone debate me lol

Will RP make prostitution legal; why or why not?
How does he justify his position.

Gold Coast S14 10-20-2015 07:24 PM

Damn, look at Zilvia getting all political... Trump, not gonna get my support. Unless he lifts the 25 Year rule on importing cars. Anyone that does that? I'll support till the end.

zombiewolf513 10-20-2015 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gold Coast S14 (Post 5961373)
Unless he lifts the 25 Year rule on importing cars. Anyone that does that? I'll support till the end.

+1
This.
Someone hit up Trump

simmode1 10-21-2015 04:01 PM

Screw Trump and and his Birther crap. Rail against Obama for 7 years on that shit & not a word said to Canadian born, 'Lets Shut the Govt Down' Ted Cruz. The fact that this guy is gaining any support is really scary. Vote for the candidate with the best record of public service, guys... Don't just pick the richest guy running.

Malik 10-21-2015 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by STR8 H8N (Post 5956476)

point exactly

TheRealSy90 10-21-2015 04:09 PM

There's already a huge fucking wall all the way across AZ, hell I can see it from my house with binoculars if I climb up on the roof.

simmode1 10-21-2015 04:11 PM

Building a wall worked so well in Berlin/Israel/Attack on Titan/Pacific Rim/etc. Why not? #facepalm.

Felipe 10-24-2015 12:36 PM

No.... Because

http://i.imgur.com/8JwNr2d.gif

Matej 10-24-2015 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simmode1 (Post 5961925)
Building a wall worked so well in Berlin/Israel/Attack on Titan/Pacific Rim/etc. Why not? #facepalm.

The Berlin Wall and the Great Wall of China are tourism cash cows, so they work better than ever.

feito 10-24-2015 02:06 PM

What a great time to be a first time voter. On one hand we have liberal extrimist, two mummies threatening with taking away our guns and promising us free everything. Yeah, right.... On the other hand we have conservative extrimists, who are promising to take citizenship away from kids born in the US to immigrant parents, and to keep immigrants as long as they do field work only, oh boy. Only candidate i ever consider was webb, and now he's out.
Watch out all of you of hispanic heritage voting for trump. Once in office and after finding out that you are the son of the son of the son of an immigrant, he'll be kicking you out xD
What a joke

ghoti 10-24-2015 08:10 PM

https://38.media.tumblr.com/9b67f9c2...3d7lo1_500.gif

deolio 10-24-2015 08:15 PM

i'm disturbed by the fact that a third of those who have voted in this thread would actually vote for trump. ballots don't understand sarcasm guys, come on.

simmode1 10-25-2015 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matej (Post 5963780)
The Berlin Wall and the Great Wall of China are tourism cash cows, so they work better than ever.

Walls. Great for tourism. Terrible for keeping people out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by feito (Post 5963790)
Watch out all of you of hispanic heritage voting for trump. Once in office and after finding out that you are the son of the son of the son of an immigrant, he'll be kicking you out xD
What a joke

Right?! Trump himself is the grandson of immigrants! Dude is a dispicable hypocrite. What his agenda is really saying is that he doesn't have a problem with immigrants unless you're brown. If you're brown, GTFO of town.

brndck 10-26-2015 10:23 PM

trump is a racist, hypocritical, misogynistic liar, who claims to be successful, but his father gifted him a million dollars when he was 20 for him to start buying and selling real estate.

His grandparents were immigrants, yet he rails against immigrants, he had bankrupted his businesses and exploited loopholes in the tax laws, how anyone can consider him to be a viable candidate is beyond me.

brndck 10-26-2015 10:23 PM

trump is a racist, hypocritical, misogynistic liar, who claims to be successful, but his father gifted him a million dollars when he was 20 for him to start buying and selling real estate.

His grandparents were immigrants, yet he rails against immigrants, he had bankrupted his businesses and exploited loopholes in the tax laws, how anyone can consider him to be a viable candidate is beyond me.

zombiewolf513 10-26-2015 11:01 PM

You can't even say that you dont want other country's people overfilling your country without being called racist nowadays. Act like the country and taxpayer money is a free for all or something.

Sounds like a bunch of Hillary voters in here...

KiLLeR2001 10-26-2015 11:33 PM

Trump is the only one that will enforce some serious change. Now, he could possibly drive the country to the ground or he can turn it around into a prosperous nation again, flip a coin... it's kinda exciting...

However, if you want Obama v2.0 with more of your rights slowly and methodically taken away vote for Hillary / Sanders / insert puppet name here.

zombiewolf513 10-27-2015 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001 (Post 5965155)
Trump is the only one that will enforce some serious change. Now, he could possibly drive the country to the ground or he can turn it around into a prosperous nation again, flip a coin... it's kinda exciting...

However, if you want Obama v2.0 with more of your rights slowly and methodically taken away vote for Hillary / Sanders / insert puppet name here.

Thank God someone said it.

I'd rather put the country into Trump's untested political hands than into the hands of someone that's already proven themselves unworthy of the presidency.

Lees_Garage 10-27-2015 06:25 AM

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chris_240sx 10-29-2015 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck (Post 5965123)
trump is a racist, hypocritical, misogynistic liar, who claims to be successful, but his father gifted him a million dollars when he was 20 for him to start buying and selling real estate.

His grandparents were immigrants, yet he rails against immigrants, he had bankrupted his businesses and exploited loopholes in the tax laws, how anyone can consider him to be a viable candidate is beyond me.

More or less how I feel about him. A lot of people like his brashness and the image he would take on anyone/anything, but I think it makes him look immature and unprofessional.

simmode1 10-29-2015 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513 (Post 5965145)
You can't even say that you dont want other country's people overfilling your country without being called racist nowadays. Act like the country and taxpayer money is a free for all or something.

Sounds like a bunch of Hillary voters in here...

http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/...mmigration.jpg Why does Trump demonize only certain groups of immigrants? We know that Mexicans aren't the only ppl coming here. We have tons of Europeans & Asians coming here as well. But Trump wants to deport all of the brown ppl rather than presenting a path to citizenship like other ethnicities have access to. It's a double standard, its easy to see through and it's bullshit. Give them a road to citizenship and make them taxpayers as well. Deporting them and losing the money they spend would damage our economy so damn bad.

brndck 10-29-2015 12:21 PM

People neglect the fact that "brown" people do pay into our tax base, with no chance of ever receiving anything in return for their contribution.

Furthermore, the "stealing our jobs" claim is bullshit. I have yet to meet a single person who looks forward to a career of picking strawberries or lettuce in the Santa Maria sun for 12+ hrs a day.

I'm quite liberal, and I think Clinton is a fucking snake. I hope to science that she gets run out of town on a rope.

Ben carson is quickly proving that "brain surgeon" should no longer be used as a synonym for "very intelligent".

Bernie Sanders is the only reason I'm not voting for Vermin Supreme again.

http://thebreakingtime.typepad.com/....3cde269970d-pi

Highway Riding 10-29-2015 12:57 PM

Sad state of politics to be honest. If your a conservative even more reason to be sad. Trump has common sense idea's like use a umbrella if you are going out in the rain. Ben Carson is just silly. But yet these are the front runners. FML! I like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina yet they will not go far at all! Sad state for sure.

STR8 H8N 10-29-2015 01:13 PM

did trump drop out yet?

brndck 10-29-2015 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highway Riding (Post 5966745)
Sad state of politics to be honest. If your a conservative even more reason to be sad. Trump has common sense idea's like use a umbrella if you are going out in the rain. Ben Carson is just silly. But yet these are the front runners. FML! I like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina yet they will not go far at all! Sad state for sure.

"common sense" like "I'm a self made billionaire" when his father loaned him a million bucks to go invest (some reports claim it was MUCH more than the Trump-claimed number of $1million) when he was just starting out. Hardly "self made".

Furthermore, he would be worth an estimated $10 BILLION more if he had just invested in a unmanaged index fund.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963/...ump-index-fund
http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-yo...-donald-trump/

Fiorino slashed THOUSANDS of jobs during her tenure at HP and then walked off with a severance package worth millions. Yeah I definitely want her at the helm.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-job-scam.html

Highway Riding 10-29-2015 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck (Post 5966787)
"common sense" like "I'm a self made billionaire" when his father loaned him a million bucks to go invest (some reports claim it was MUCH more than the Trump-claimed number of $1million) when he was just starting out. Hardly "self made".

Furthermore, he would be worth an estimated $10 BILLION more if he had just invested in a unmanaged index fund.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/2/9248963/...ump-index-fund
http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-yo...-donald-trump/

Fiorino slashed THOUSANDS of jobs during her tenure at HP and then walked off with a severance package worth millions. Yeah I definitely want her at the helm.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-job-scam.html

I most certainly get the Fiorina hate as my uncle was fired directly after she took office along with all the others. But that is business. Out of all the candidates feel Christie (even hated in our home state), Marco and Fiorina are the only true contenders. An old timer told me you have to pick your poison. I would pick Carly over Hillary any day of the week.

Highway Riding 10-29-2015 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STR8 H8N (Post 5966753)
did trump drop out yet?

Unfortunately not yet. The circus continues. While I get it for sure he is just taking good votes away!

TMW 10-29-2015 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highway Riding (Post 5966745)
like Chris Christie, Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina.


i literally hate those 3 candidates more than anyone on either side

the debate last night...

in all honesty, hate to sound like reince, but the moderators were horrible. jake tapper is obviously not some right winger, but he did a decent job during the cnn debate.

i have no idea why they let fiorina ramble on forever when it wasnt her turn to speak, but when anyone else went over by 1 second it was "thank you thank you thank you"

the debate didnt really change my opinion (for the better) of anyone on the stage, just made me hate fiorina, christie, and rubio more.

the fact that rubio can talk about firing federal workers when they dont show up, then not show up to his federal job is unbelievable. since june 1 rubio has missed more than 60% of roll call votes in the senate. paul who is also running has missed 1%...

fiorina runs some businesses into the ground. gets destroyed in a senate race, now wants to run the country.

christie wants more nsa spying, will enfore marijuana prohibition, more war, more spending...

unpaintedhatch 10-29-2015 10:34 PM

I don't vote because when Politicians make promises they are not legally obligated to keep said promises and most are scumbag law school snakes!!

mixeds14 10-30-2015 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simmode1 (Post 5966640)
http://f.tqn.com/y/politicalhumor/1/...mmigration.jpg Why does Trump demonize only certain groups of immigrants? We know that Mexicans aren't the only ppl coming here. We have tons of Europeans & Asians coming here as well. But Trump wants to deport all of the brown ppl rather than presenting a path to citizenship like other ethnicities have access to. It's a double standard, its easy to see through and it's bullshit. Give them a road to citizenship and make them taxpayers as well. Deporting them and losing the money they spend would damage our economy so damn bad.


something tells me that trumps hate towards mexico has something to do with his business failure he had back in 07 I believe, there nothing more hateful for a business man than losing and as he said it, he hates losing.


he lost a lot of money or potential money in that resort that started to be built in Tijuana, Baja California mexico (trump ocean resort) even though the investors of the condominiums lost 200k+ a piece and seems like he took that personally.
funny how nobody seems to mention any of it or atleast ask him about it on the debates to see if that has something to do with his hate wich acourse he will deny.

Highway Riding 10-30-2015 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW (Post 5966864)
i literally hate those 3 candidates more than anyone on either side

the debate last night...

in all honesty, hate to sound like reince, but the moderators were horrible. jake tapper is obviously not some right winger, but he did a decent job during the cnn debate.

i have no idea why they let fiorina ramble on forever when it wasnt her turn to speak, but when anyone else went over by 1 second it was "thank you thank you thank you"

the debate didnt really change my opinion (for the better) of anyone on the stage, just made me hate fiorina, christie, and rubio more.

the fact that rubio can talk about firing federal workers when they dont show up, then not show up to his federal job is unbelievable. since june 1 rubio has missed more than 60% of roll call votes in the senate. paul who is also running has missed 1%...

fiorina runs some businesses into the ground. gets destroyed in a senate race, now wants to run the country.

christie wants more nsa spying, will enfore marijuana prohibition, more war, more spending...

This is the good thing about a democracy. We can "try to choose" or pick our "poison". the HP thing has been beaten to death. Same thing happened with Obama as far as a no show or absent senator with a barely there record. Chris Christie actually is the best candidate as a republican Gov in the bluest state in America. Fed has spoken on Marijuana. It is legal for medical purposes in NJ right now! When it comes to wars we can leave that to our generals. Politics isn't pretty!

TMW 10-30-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highway Riding (Post 5967279)
This is the good thing about a democracy. We can "try to choose" or pick our "poison". the HP thing has been beaten to death. Same thing happened with Obama as far as a no show or absent senator with a barely there record. Chris Christie actually is the best candidate as a republican Gov in the bluest state in America. Fed has spoken on Marijuana. It is legal for medical purposes in NJ right now! When it comes to wars we can leave that to our generals. Politics isn't pretty!


so you think fiorina despite her record is qualified, and you would want her president?

obama doing that is unacceptable as well. rubio is literally the republican obama. has no experience in the real world. just college, state legislature, and a first term senator. now he wants to be president and people on the right dont call him on it like they did obama.

i dont think nj is the bluest state in the country first. and the reason that he does well is because hes such a big government rino. medical marijuana is so hard to obtain in nj it might as well be illegal still. the fact is, he has said that he would enforce federal law on marijuana and lock people up for it. sounds like someone who doesnt respect the 10th amendment. and the federal government hasnt spoken on marijuana. they said it was a schedule 1 in 1970 and it still is. the obama justice department has just decided to turn a blind eye to states who have decided otherwise.

sean710 10-30-2015 03:14 PM

I am from Vermont, if Bernie Sanders becomes president I am moving to Canada. F that guy, he hasn't done anything but fuck farmers in this state. Bernie says free college and everyone loses there mind. If you want to live in a socialist country vote Bernie you pinko liberals.

brndck 10-31-2015 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean710 (Post 5967504)
I am from Vermont, if Bernie Sanders becomes president I am moving to Canada. F that guy, he hasn't done anything but fuck farmers in this state. Bernie says free college and everyone loses there mind. If you want to live in a socialist country vote Bernie you pinko liberals.

:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp: you DO realize how much MORE socialist canada is compared to the USA right???

TMW 10-31-2015 01:20 AM

^^and that was with a conservative leader for the last decade

with trudeau its gonna be crazy

simmode1 11-01-2015 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean710 (Post 5967504)
If you want to live in a socialist country vote Bernie you pinko liberals.

That's the plan.

sean710 11-01-2015 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck (Post 5967700)
:picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp: you DO realize how much MORE socialist canada is compared to the USA right???

Canada is a socialist country, yes I know, but you do realize the national debt is 18 plus trillion dollars? Canada has what? 1.5 trillion dollars max? Get ready to pay taxes out the ass. Bernie Sanders has already made Vermont hard to live in for actual Vermonters, you can hardly retire here and is in the top 5 worsts states to make a living. There's a reason why we are the same size as New Hampshire land wise but have what? less than half the people they do? I'm not saying I would vote Trump but Bernie Sanders is not the option here.

watch this if you think you're feeling the bern, you are just sheeple :drama:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTyqHHoifNY

simmode1 11-01-2015 08:09 AM

For Bernie's plans to work, his entire platform hangs on campaign finance reform. Forget all the socialist programs for a minute and focus on that. His PRIMARY goal is to ensure that elected officials can no longer be bought by companies and that those companies can no longer funnel ginormous secret donations to lobbyists who push any agenda for the highest bidder, no matter how harmful it is. IF (and thats a huge IF) Bernie can reform the political donation process, he will ensure that citizens have a louder voice in DC because politicians will have to build more community support rather than have their campaign paid for by some corporate entity looking to maximize their profits via legislation. Some of these corporations/banks are using the existing process to rob us blind and that's why there's no money for programs that benefit the greater good. Sadly, the last candidate to take a serious go at this issue was JFK and we know what happened to him...

TMW 11-01-2015 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by simmode1 (Post 5968139)
Forget all the socialist programs for a minute and focus on that.

what

i really really dont like hillary, but id prefer her to bernie

how can bernie seriously think that spending huge amounts of money on government programs right now is the right solution

oh but he'll pay for it by taxing the 1% 90% (which is grotesque and immoral) and taxing wall street speculation... thatll definitely cover everything he's talking about

"every other major country in the world" blah blah blah

i actually want to know your take on this simmode since you seem to be a real supporter of him. money wise, nothing he says makes any sense whatsoever

sean710 11-01-2015 11:27 AM

Like TMW said, it's the socialist aspect that is wrong, socialism slows innovation and technology, makes people think that the government owes them every thing, and it rewards people who are trying to actually make a difference in this country the same as someone who could care less. Socialism just wouldn't work in America and people need to realize that. I'm not saying Bernie sanders doesn't have some good points but he would just destroy this country financially.

KiLLeR2001 11-01-2015 05:21 PM

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...cd&oe=56B93AF7

Checkmate.

Corbic 11-01-2015 06:45 PM

Donald Trump For President
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roboticnissan (Post 5955440)
I don't trust him to not have hidden agendas. He is for himself above all else. His views have all.flip flopped the last few years to fit the majority.

The main one being his view on the 2nd amendment. Not trust worthy, not getting my vote unless he's going up against Hilary or sanders


Was going to say, how is that any different then Hillary?


Unfortunately it's so hard to be President that you really have to be a cunning manipulative bastard with ulterior motives. I'm sure Trumps motive truly is just power (to shove it in all his doubters faces) and to cement his legacy.

He's 69 and has money. He has 10 years left before he is shitting in a diaper.

What would you rather be known as, hotel owner with a silly TV show, or the 45th President of the United States?

Corbic 11-01-2015 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simmode1 (Post 5968114)
That's the plan.


Move to China then.

TMW 11-01-2015 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5968450)
What would you rather be known as, hotel owner with a silly TV show, or the 45th President of the United States?

dont forget he is in the wwe hall of fame

so even if he became president, wwe hall of fame would be his biggest accomplishment

Highway Riding 11-03-2015 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW (Post 5967481)
so you think fiorina despite her record is qualified, and you would want her president?

obama doing that is unacceptable as well. rubio is literally the republican obama. has no experience in the real world. just college, state legislature, and a first term senator. now he wants to be president and people on the right dont call him on it like they did obama.

i dont think nj is the bluest state in the country first. and the reason that he does well is because hes such a big government rino. medical marijuana is so hard to obtain in nj it might as well be illegal still. the fact is, he has said that he would enforce federal law on marijuana and lock people up for it. sounds like someone who doesnt respect the 10th amendment. and the federal government hasnt spoken on marijuana. they said it was a schedule 1 in 1970 and it still is. the obama justice department has just decided to turn a blind eye to states who have decided otherwise.

I still consider her a good candidate. There is no such thing as Captain America with zero skeletons. Who else is actually qualified? Dems didn't call out Obama as is customary for either side. That's why we unfortunately have a 2 party system lol. You have to pick your poison or sit on the sidelines and do nothing.

STR8 H8N 11-03-2015 09:37 AM

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gearhead55 11-07-2015 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMW (Post 5968202)
what

i really really dont like hillary, but id prefer her to bernie

how can bernie seriously think that spending huge amounts of money on government programs right now is the right solution

oh but he'll pay for it by taxing the 1% 90% (which is grotesque and immoral) and taxing wall street speculation... thatll definitely cover everything he's talking about

"every other major country in the world" blah blah blah

i actually want to know your take on this simmode since you seem to be a real supporter of him. money wise, nothing he says makes any sense whatsoever

What makes you think he would spend "huge amounts of money" on government programs? What we spend needs to be distributed differently, and thats what Bernie is proposing.

Look at this:
http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/z...psz0ampfba.jpg

And this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092102074.html

The cost of providing college tuition is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on wars. We need to change that.

Military spending is absolutely ridiculous but no politician will cut spending there because every state has some hand in producing whats needed to keep the military operating at the current size.

The student debt issue is a fucking disgrace for this country. You mock the "every other country" thing, but people say that for a reason. The united states is a fucking joke for raping the futures of the current generation to make money now. People act like having education paid for is some crazy idea and the same people don't bat an eye at paying for a new stealth fighter that costs 180 million for EACH JET that performs WORSE than the planes that we already have.

We need a reallocation of spending, not an increase in taxes, and thats what Bernie is proposing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean710 (Post 5968237)
Like TMW said, it's the socialist aspect that is wrong, socialism slows innovation and technology, makes people think that the government owes them every thing, and it rewards people who are trying to actually make a difference in this country the same as someone who could care less. Socialism just wouldn't work in America and people need to realize that. I'm not saying Bernie sanders doesn't have some good points but he would just destroy this country financially.

Show me some evidence that socialism does these things. People are so scared of "socialism" because of scare tactics. Why wouldn't policies that work effectively elsewhere not work in the united states? The only thing that separates us from everywhere else is the value placed on the pursuing of material wealth at the expense of other humans. There is nothing wrong with thinking about the good of the society instead of focusing on the individual.

Corbic 11-07-2015 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearhead55 (Post 5971651)
The student debt issue is a fucking disgrace for this country. You mock the "every other country" thing, but people say that for a reason. The united states is a fucking joke for raping the futures of the current generation to make money now. People act like having education paid for is some crazy idea and the same people don't bat an eye at paying for a new stealth fighter that costs 180 million for EACH JET that performs WORSE than the planes that we already have.


This tells me you are out of touch with reality.

First. Your standard of living is 100% based on the amount of resources you consume. Quality of life is directly corollated to energy. We consume some insane amount of global resources - you need a military to do that. Life sucks, get over it.


Education. You are correct. We spend stupid money on it, both pre and post high school.

Want college tuition to become reasonable? End student loans. Universities make upwards of 50% profit. You know what automakers make? Around 6%.


It's amazing tuition keeps going up, so we up the lending limits then tuition goes up again.

If you couldn't borrow $30k a year, you couldn't go to school. If you can't go to school... Then school either goes out of business or lowers its rate.

http://m.daytondailynews.com/news/ne...-for-tr/nSGkK/

"Public" School where the president makes 7 million a year, has a provided mansion and a million dollar office.

That's where your $135 million a year tuition is going.


Even the lower public schools. Why the big push for more teachers? Kids are getting worse and dumber. You talk about education overseas, maybe we should be like China? 8th grade is an auditorium with 100 kids and a teacher lecturing them. Bet they'd learn more than having 1 teacher to 14 kids playing best friend / surrogate parent.

I'm all for doing thing different and putting some logic into broken processes. "Throw Money at it" is never a solution.

Bitches need to do some Lean Six Sigma training.

TMW 11-08-2015 10:47 AM

gearhead55

i absolutely agree with you that our military spending is out of control. we spend more than any other country in the world. the united states military spending is literally comparable to the rest of the entire worlds military spending, combined. however, we need to cut spending across the board not just move it to another area of the government.

and on tuition free universities...

it would cost a bit of money, but not compared to military as you pointed out. and sort of what corbic said lol. maybe im just wrong in thinking that going to college isnt a guaranteed right.

gearhead55 11-08-2015 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5971666)
This tells me you are out of touch with reality.

First. Your standard of living is 100% based on the amount of resources you consume. Quality of life is directly corollated to energy. We consume some insane amount of global resources - you need a military to do that. Life sucks, get over it.


Education. You are correct. We spend stupid money on it, both pre and post high school.

Want college tuition to become reasonable? End student loans. Universities make upwards of 50% profit. You know what automakers make? Around 6%.


It's amazing tuition keeps going up, so we up the lending limits then tuition goes up again.

If you couldn't borrow $30k a year, you couldn't go to school. If you can't go to school... Then school either goes out of business or lowers its rate.

http://m.daytondailynews.com/news/ne...-for-tr/nSGkK/

"Public" School where the president makes 7 million a year, has a provided mansion and a million dollar office.

That's where your $135 million a year tuition is going.


Even the lower public schools. Why the big push for more teachers? Kids are getting worse and dumber. You talk about education overseas, maybe we should be like China? 8th grade is an auditorium with 100 kids and a teacher lecturing them. Bet they'd learn more than having 1 teacher to 14 kids playing best friend / surrogate parent.

I'm all for doing thing different and putting some logic into broken processes. "Throw Money at it" is never a solution.

Bitches need to do some Lean Six Sigma training.

Don't get me wrong, I am not against a large military at all. I completely understand the need for a large military, but there is no way that you can say that the amount we spend on it makes any sense. We spend more than the next sixteen countries COMBINED. It makes no sense to spend 1.5 TRILLION dollars over the life of the jet on a plane that performs WORSE than what already exists. There is examples like that all throughout the military because of the way the system is set up. You say yourself that "throw money at is" is never a solution, yet thats exactly what we do with military spending all day long.

http://www.rickety.us/2011/06/2010-d...ng-by-country/

I agree that the higher education system is a mess. Your example of the OSU president makes me sick.

And TMW, I don't think college is a guaranteed right either, but I don't think it should bankrupt a kid with student loan debt right out of the starting gate.

Corbic 11-08-2015 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearhead55 (Post 5972159)
Don't get me wrong, I am not against a large military at all. I completely understand the need for a large military, but there is no way that you can say that the amount we spend on it makes any sense. We spend more than the next sixteen countries COMBINED. It makes no sense to spend 1.5 TRILLION dollars over the life of the jet on a plane that performs WORSE than what already exists. There is examples like that all throughout the military because of the way the system is set up. You say yourself that "throw money at is" is never a solution, yet thats exactly what we do with military spending all day long.



http://www.rickety.us/2011/06/2010-d...ng-by-country/



I agree that the higher education system is a mess. Your example of the OSU president makes me sick.



And TMW, I don't think college is a guaranteed right either, but I don't think it should bankrupt a kid with student loan debt right out of the starting gate.


Don't get lost in the JSF debacle.

It's a garbage program, everyone knows it. It's like having a project car - "you have a crap ton of money it it, you now regret it... But just another $500 will fix everything and make it all worth it.... I hope"

You also can't compare our military spending to others.

European countries rely on the US and are unable to project power. France and NATO actually ran out of missiles bombing Libya.

Countries like China, North Korea and Russian tend to have very low dollar value for human life. They army about to spend billions on MRAPs or other equipment to save a few lives.

You see this all the time in tactics and equipment other people use. No shits given to survivability or crew comfort. This is why we steam roll these assholes.

The US also has no stomach for body bags. So if I said "we can cut defense spending by 75%, but we'd have 35k killed in action during Iraq", would you support that?

$806 billion / 75% = $200 billion

Thats $20million a life.

Is it worth it?

Lees_Garage 11-08-2015 05:31 PM

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silviasandbeer 11-08-2015 05:48 PM

it really bothers me that the font is'nt at the bottom of the picture

Juantwo3 11-08-2015 06:22 PM

America is pimps


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QGNzBPgnwcY

gearhead55 11-08-2015 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5972164)
The US also has no stomach for body bags. So if I said "we can cut defense spending by 75%, but we'd have 35k killed in action during Iraq", would you support that?

$806 billion / 75% = $200 billion

Thats $20million a life.

Is it worth it?

I agree with pretty much all that. I'm saying it could be scaled back immensely and still serve the purpose we need it to.

As for the cut spending by 75% but have 35k casualty question, I would not support that. BUT I wouldn't support cutting spending that much anyway. In my mind a 25% cut would be a severe.

TMW 11-08-2015 11:30 PM

well, the military needs to be cut back significantly. and we never should've been in iraq and we shouldn't be sending troops anywhere now either.

the fact that the united states hasn't been in a "war" since world war ii yet we keep sending troops places is terrible.

a great video from today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6hbjOOxOl0

KA24DESOneThree 11-09-2015 02:18 PM

Cutting spending on education is a loser. Politicians want to remain in office and anything a president wants to do regarding fixing the system will likely be shot down in Congress.

Cuts in the defense budget are considered a weakness due to the association of patriotism with global American police presence. Due to the degree by which global trade is interconnected, the likelihood of major war is extremely low. Most of our wars have been offensive, not defensive, and that means stratospheric costs of deployment and continued supply. If we were to take what we know, retract our tendrils and shut down most, if not all, foreign bases, and just act like a porcupine, no one would screw with us. Would we have to pay more for goods because we're no longer strong-arming governments or providing them with a "free" protector? Yes, but the savings in defense spending would likely make it a net zero.

We need to reform the entire political process of the United States, as we're currently operating a system designed for a population of 3 million, not 300+ million. It's fairly difficult to have a representative democratic republic when the representatives speak for so many and are so unduly influenced by unions and other employee blocs.

The President is a figurehead, one who should exude competence and logic- we have no one in the running who can claim to do such a thing.

Corbic 11-09-2015 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree (Post 5972627)
Cutting spending on education is a loser. Politicians want to remain in office and anything a president wants to do regarding fixing the system will likely be shot down in Congress.



Cuts in the defense budget are considered a weakness due to the association of patriotism with global American police presence. Due to the degree by which global trade is interconnected, the likelihood of major war is extremely low. Most of our wars have been offensive, not defensive, and that means stratospheric costs of deployment and continued supply. If we were to take what we know, retract our tendrils and shut down most, if not all, foreign bases, and just act like a porcupine, no one would screw with us. Would we have to pay more for goods because we're no longer strong-arming governments or providing them with a "free" protector? Yes, but the savings in defense spending would likely make it a net zero.



We need to reform the entire political process of the United States, as we're currently operating a system designed for a population of 3 million, not 300+ million. It's fairly difficult to have a representative democratic republic when the representatives speak for so many and are so unduly influenced by unions and other employee blocs.



The President is a figurehead, one who should exude competence and logic- we have no one in the running who can claim to do such a thing.


Is this the political evaluation that was published in the People's Daily last month?

kashira kureijii 11-09-2015 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree (Post 5972627)
Cuts in the defense budget are considered a weakness due to the association of patriotism with global American police presence. Due to the degree by which global trade is interconnected, the likelihood of major war is extremely low. Most of our wars have been offensive, not defensive, and that means stratospheric costs of deployment and continued supply. If we were to take what we know, retract our tendrils and shut down most, if not all, foreign bases, and just act like a porcupine, no one would screw with us. Would we have to pay more for goods because we're no longer strong-arming governments or providing them with a "free" protector? Yes, but the savings in defense spending would likely make it a net zero.

The reason america's military setup is idiodic, has nothing to do with the amount or really any economic shit, it has a lot to do with how we use are military. It is a complete disregard for all clauswitzian philosophy. You only go to war if you're attacked or have something to gain. War isn't about good or evil or even "freedom". war is about taking shit from others, and it has been since God gave it as a gift to mankind to free him from life and material concern. If they wan't to have a big military budget, they should use the military to invade, pillage, and annex other nations. We should have killed or enslaved everyone in the middle east and took all of their shit if we wanted an effective war strategy, thats what the romans would have done.
They in no way make an effort to be at all prussian in their military methods, and that is the root of the issue.
If they aren't going to attack anybody then they really need to cut the military, as no one is going to invade across the ocean any way, let alone a country of gun owners (the midwest)
either way I'm not voting until they liberate east prussia

on a more serious note, Vladmir Putin for prez
He's so boss

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/...psyoq5zhuw.jpg

zombiewolf513 11-09-2015 10:37 PM

Keep in mind that there's a lot of world gears turning you dont see, the need for a military is vital but some operations may not be and other operations should be.

Regardless, we need someone that isnt on their agenda but on our agenda

KA24DESOneThree 11-10-2015 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5972633)
Is this the political evaluation that was published in the People's Daily last month?

I actually looked that up, seeing if it was a thing. It's apparently a Chinese newspaper published by the Communist party.

The US would be a stronger, more cohesive country if it stuck to a lot of what the Founders wanted. It would also be a stronger, more cohesive country if it adapted a lot of what the Founders wanted to modern times. 104 times the population, plus more heterogeneous composition, leads to problems they just plain didn't anticipate.

China doesn't have the economic power it once did- it's on the ropes just like everyone else, waiting for an implosion brought on by speculation and the printing press.

Silverbullet 11-10-2015 11:56 AM

I voted for "Trump will get my support", but it all depends who he is running against.

I find him to be the most qualified person to grow the economy, but that isn't everything.

At the end of the day, i don't feel it really makes a difference who becomes president. One will save you on some taxes, another will cost you. Unforeseen circumstances will come up and they will do what they can to keep people happy, but at the end of the day the difference is negligible for the most part.

Highway Riding 11-10-2015 12:51 PM

Well said Silverbullet!

gearhead55 11-10-2015 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii (Post 5972872)
The reason america's military setup is idiodic, has nothing to do with the amount or really any economic shit, it has a lot to do with how we use are military. It is a complete disregard for all clauswitzian philosophy. You only go to war if you're attacked or have something to gain. War isn't about good or evil or even "freedom". war is about taking shit from others, and it has been since God gave it as a gift to mankind to free him from life and material concern. If they wan't to have a big military budget, they should use the military to invade, pillage, and annex other nations. We should have killed or enslaved everyone in the middle east and took all of their shit if we wanted an effective war strategy, thats what the romans would have done.
They in no way make an effort to be at all prussian in their military methods, and that is the root of the issue.
If they aren't going to attack anybody then they really need to cut the military, as no one is going to invade across the ocean any way, let alone a country of gun owners (the midwest)
either way I'm not voting until they liberate east prussia

on a more serious note, Vladmir Putin for prez
He's so boss

Spoken like a 19 year old history buff. We aren't Rome, you aren't a military commander, and humans SHOULD and CAN act like adults in this day and age. Jesus, grow up (or be joking)...





(Please be joking)

kashira kureijii 11-11-2015 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearhead55 (Post 5973515)
Spoken like a 19 year old history buff. We aren't Rome, you aren't a military commander, and humans SHOULD and CAN act like adults in this day and age. Jesus, grow up (or be joking)...





(Please be joking)

That's bullshit dude, the reason man got where he is today is through the methods I mentioned, Western civilization is dying and the world is slowly devolving into status quo. No, presidential candidate is going to change that.
The real inherent problems of our society aren't going to be solved by mere electoral process, they have become endemic to the world as a whole.
There was a time when everyone was proud to part of western civilization and the ideology of independent personal responsibility. Now that everyone is the descendants of a world tainted by social justice bullshit and a Confucian accept everything ideology, the world is going to accomplish a lot less than what it had previously. There isn't going to be any titanic achievements from simple electoral process, because all politicians are is servants of their own simple interest's. This country would benefit from a more autocratic setup, and it sickens me that all of my hard work for the rest of my life is going to get taxed to pay for lazy people I would want dead. But I digress, don't take politics to seriously, because it rarely will produce the result you want.

I'm not voting so don't worry

OBEEWON 11-11-2015 10:31 AM

Voting is exactly like being Instagram famous.

collegekid 11-17-2015 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5971666)
This tells me you are out of touch with reality.


If you couldn't borrow $30k a year, you couldn't go to school. If you can't go to school... Then school either goes out of business or lowers its rate.

http://m.daytondailynews.com/news/ne...-for-tr/nSGkK/

"Public" School where the president makes 7 million a year, has a provided mansion and a million dollar office.

That's where your $135 million a year tuition is going.


Even the lower public schools. Why the big push for more teachers? Kids are getting worse and dumber. You talk about education overseas, maybe we should be like China? 8th grade is an auditorium with 100 kids and a teacher lecturing them. Bet they'd learn more than having 1 teacher to 14 kids playing best friend / surrogate parent.

I'm all for doing thing different and putting some logic into broken processes. "Throw Money at it" is never a solution.

Bitches need to do some Lean Six Sigma training.

I agree with a lot that you have said in this paragraph.

As someone who has no idea on politics, how does one get involved?
How does the common man or anyone whose major is not politics get involved with making our country better?
I dont think that just voting for a president is enough. What about all those other congressmen and other government people we have to vote for?

I am a firm believer in reallocation of public funds as it is not working out really anywhere in our country. Here in Philadelphia we went from 7% sales tax (compared to 6% in the rural areas at that time) to 8% in 2009 or 2010, and now they are proposing 9% sales tax. Our public schools have no money even though they have very high gas, cigarettes, sales tax, property tax, and a bunch of other shit that I don't know about because I don't pay it yet. Somehow we do not have money.

I am a firm believer in the idea of having a higher emphasis on school, especially with the auditorium classroom idea.
I don't learn jack shit when I'm in a class with like 15 other people and the teacher tells us to memorize certain things or spoon feeds us. I have only learned things in great detail when the teacher makes an effort to properly teach and not just mention material in class to say that "this material was covered in class"

I think there is some program/competition where they are trying to redesign high school.


I'm off on a tangent.


There really is no one worthy to vote for. Everyone is such a slimy scumbag its ridiculous. such is politics

Silverbullet 11-17-2015 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by collegekid (Post 5976552)

I am a firm believer in the idea of having a higher emphasis on school, especially with the auditorium classroom idea.
I don't learn jack shit when I'm in a class with like 15 other people and the teacher tells us to memorize certain things or spoon feeds us. I have only learned things in great detail when the teacher makes an effort to properly teach and not just mention material in class to say that "this material was covered in class"

I think there is some program/competition where they are trying to redesign high school.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5971666)
Even the lower public schools. Why the big push for more teachers? Kids are getting worse and dumber. You talk about education overseas, maybe we should be like China? 8th grade is an auditorium with 100 kids and a teacher lecturing them. Bet they'd learn more than having 1 teacher to 14 kids playing best friend / surrogate parent.


100 ppl class room vs 14 ppl class room and success. Is that a correlation or a causation?

You can put Chinese students in a 500 person auditorium or a 5 person class room, it dosn't make much of a difference. The difference is the motivation and drive. Chinese students (and other foreign countries for that matter) are in cut-throat competition. In China, the students are placed into grade schools based on performance. The students want to succeed.


We can change the class room size all we want, and we may see some marginal differences, but at the end of the day, if the student dosn't care, the performance reflects it. It comes down to what the parents are exposing to the kids.

Corbic 11-17-2015 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverbullet (Post 5976642)
100 ppl class room vs 14 ppl class room and success. Is that a correlation or a causation?

You can put Chinese students in a 500 person auditorium or a 5 person class room, it dosn't make much of a difference. The difference is the motivation and drive. Chinese students (and other foreign countries for that matter) are in cut-throat competition. In China, the students are placed into grade schools based on performance. The students want to succeed.


We can change the class room size all we want, and we may see some marginal differences, but at the end of the day, if the student dosn't care, the performance reflects it. It comes down to what the parents are exposing to the kids.


It's actually very important.

In China, your success is SEEN as dependent on YOU. Your teacher doesn't care. You fail, you go back to the farm.

In the US, your success (ironically) is SEEN as dependent on YOUR Environment. You went to a poor school, lived in a crappy neighborhood, had rich parents, are white or not white.

People then blame others, it's Obama's fault, it's institutional racism, it's the Republicans, it's crappy teachers, it's high taxes.

It's never YOUR fault for not being smart or successful. How can it be? You are all individual special snow flakes you just need the world around you to give you the right elements to succeed! It's the worlds fault for not giving you those things!

Make no mistake, life is just as cut throat and competitive in America as it is in China. We're just racing on horses while they have to run on hot-coals.

silviamang 11-19-2015 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbic (Post 5976733)
It's actually very important.

In China, your success is SEEN as dependent on YOU. Your teacher doesn't care. You fail, you go back to the farm.

In the US, your success (ironically) is SEEN as dependent on YOUR Environment. You went to a poor school, lived in a crappy neighborhood, had rich parents, are white or not white.

People then blame others, it's Obama's fault, it's institutional racism, it's the Republicans, it's crappy teachers, it's high taxes.

It's never YOUR fault for not being smart or successful. How can it be? You are all individual special snow flakes you just need the world around you to give you the right elements to succeed! It's the worlds fault for not giving you those things!

Make no mistake, life is just as cut throat and competitive in America as it is in China. We're just racing on horses while they have to run on hot-coals.


Best post ive read in a while. Plus infinite rep.

stevenrapids 11-20-2015 11:48 AM

My gf is a teacher at a city school I've come to see most of the children that do well in school and have a "want" to learn come from families where both parents are still together. Seems to be most of the kids from families where one of the parents are not present, lack the desire to do well in school and learn. I don't think it has anything to do with the color of your skin, or wealth. The kids that don't have a lot of money are getting the same education as the kids whose parents have more money.

stevenrapids 11-20-2015 11:51 AM

Lack of parenting and discipline is the root of this whole entitlement wave.

PignoseWulfman 11-22-2015 06:32 PM

I'd like to system of government where money cannot sway a vote. I have a voice, I lend thatvoice to a congressman, but just before the vote a lobbyist sneaks in an envelope of cash and suddenly my voice is SHIT!

I studied civics in high school and in college (albeit briefly) and I've no idea how lobbying is legal.

Also, trace the decline of our country in general to the politicians who have held senate and representative seats for decades. It makes me raise an eyebrow. I identify primarily as a libertarian. I see good on both sides of the fence and I firmly believe that a lot of people vote for the familiar face and give two shits about where those individuals stand on key issues. Apply term limits and get some fresh faces in office so we can make some damn progress.

nixtr 11-22-2015 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck (Post 5965125)
he had bankrupted his businesses and exploited loopholes in the tax laws, how anyone can consider him to be a viable candidate is beyond me.

He does seem racist. BUT, what I do like about him is that he is a business man. Maybe he will approach problems differently. (maybe) The reason I bring this up is because I do not mind him filing for bankruptcy or his companies doing the same. I am sure it was a business decision which ended in his favor. I wouldnt mind someone who is more money focused rather than politics focused.

kashira kureijii 11-22-2015 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PignoseWulfman (Post 5979375)
I'd like to system of government where money cannot sway a vote. .

They have one of those it's called a dictatorship/ paternal autocracy.
Think of what we could accomplish with one, we could get rid all of the lazy people through force, revitalize the economy by declaring war on a bunch of people for no reason, stop the downfall of western civilization, eliminate any form of welfare or social programs,stop the rising tide of dumb millennial entitlement, quell the flames of world hedonism, and in the long run, enable me to have free sandwiches because reasons.

World conquest should be our goal, I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. You call yourselves western males? I bet none of you have even read the Iliad. How can you even act like your a western male without having done so.

Think about it you guys, complete world hegemony, living means something, instead of being pointless and waiting to fill unnecessary voids, no more dealing with un-charismatic political stooges. It would be so evil and rationally efficient :yum::yum::yum:. muhahaha

It's not gonna happen because people have been indoctrinated to avoid it, and or want free stuff, but it's something to think about while you're watching debates and trying to figure out which canidates suck less.

PignoseWulfman 11-22-2015 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii (Post 5979384)
,stop the rising tide of dumb millennial entitlement,

I'm all for this shit. No more participation trophies. You won't get one when you're fired from McDonald's. Life is ruthless and we should stop telling children otherwise.

Corbic 11-22-2015 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PignoseWulfman (Post 5979375)
I'd like to system of government where money cannot sway a vote. I have a voice, I lend thatvoice to a congressman, but just before the vote a lobbyist sneaks in an envelope of cash and suddenly my voice is SHIT!

I studied civics in high school and in college (albeit briefly) and I've no idea how lobbying is legal.

Because lobbying does not work that way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PignoseWulfman (Post 5979375)
Also, trace the decline of our country in general to the politicians who have held senate and representative seats for decades. It makes me raise an eyebrow. I identify primarily as a libertarian. I see good on both sides of the fence and I firmly believe that a lot of people vote for the familiar face and give two shits about where those individuals stand on key issues. Apply term limits and get some fresh faces in office so we can make some damn progress.


A coworker once made the observation that the rise of the nanny state coincided with the right for women to vote.

Sudden "think of the children" became a motto and the first thing they did was ban drugs, gambling and alcohol.

People cote based solely on their own selfish needs.

Romney was absolutely right in this video, yet ironical it caused out rage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gvY2wqI7M

This is why politicians can't be frank about our society.


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