Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) Thread
 

Talk about relevant updates and how you and/or your family is holding up.

Let’s keep it as non-political as we can. However we can still say something like gov approves funds for small businesses. Or relevant updates that have to do with the government, lets just not make this a thread about red vs blue, racism, etc.


Registered for absentee voting for the remainder of 2020.

Day 3 of being home with the kids (6,7,9 and one of the way) and doing virtual learning...and it?s really tough. Already. Hoping for some warmer temps so we can spend some more time outdoors.

Sounds like there will be some financial support coming within the next 2 weeks. $1000/ adult is what I heard. I guess it?s better than nothing.

My last photo shoot just got canceled so I officially have no money coming in. We?ve always loved off of one persons income. So we?re technically fine, but I won?t be adding to my whiskey collection any time soon.

AHEM

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I think this whole quarantine is absolutely silly. The virus is spreading fast, but was it necessary to go to this extent? So sad to see already so many small businesses suffer and more likely go out of business after this.

Me being a government worker, they’ll never send us home unless a bomb drops. I mean I’m thankful, but I wouldn't have minded a week paid off like some are getting.

These are strange time, never seen anything like this ever.

There?s still a lot about this that is controversial and hotly debated. And we can have those conversations, I believe, without making it all political.

So from what I am seeing around my general area, folks which operated at close margins to begin with (Improv where Chapelle and several other famous comedians have performed over the years, various bars, restaurants, etc) have had to lay off up to 50% of their workforce :(

Wife and I are floating telework schedules because daycare is closed for the foreseeable future.

We are luckily in a decent position, but generally ALOT of people are not and it's very sad. Our local municipality has already signed off on an emergency fund to pay for those who have lost their jobs (I need to sift through the details and requirements) in addition to not evicting people if they are unable to pay next months rent (also need to look through the details).

This is only a tip of the iceberg in terms of economic impact. We won't see the true effects until atleast 1-2 months down the line

Stock Markets have already tripped several breakers. And on track for ANOTHER record loss. 2019 gains are gone. 2018 gains have just about evaporated. And 2017 gains are not far behind.

We are in uncharted territory :(

Here in Spokane pretty much all stores are closed, only take out or delivery is an option for food. Most grocery stores supplies are wiped out, and ammo is sold out too.

it's crazy out here. Local government shut down all non essential businesses, pretty much all large gatherings / events have been cancelled.

My father's business has never been closed in the past 25ish years and this is the first time.

I work in an "essential" business so we have to stay open. We are mentally keeping track of who is coughing and how often lol. The good thing is that we are a small company with a big building so people are at least 20 feet away from each other at all times.

I'm really pissed off and I worry for my parents and grandparents. I'm at the point where I am seriously considering buying a tent and requesting to work from home.

So what I do not get during all this is the employers forcing workers in a (in some cases) life or death situation.

If I am over 60 fuck that nonsense. Well, that or it seems an early retirement is in order.....which is not of my doing and my employer did shit to mitigate this.

So economic loss and loss of workforce confidence. Not good.

I am not necessarily concerned about our immediate well being. But, from what I understand, the ripple effects is what is scary. 2/3 of the hospital beds are current occupied. It will not take much for us to enter an Italy situation; hospitals overwhelmed and turning away folks with non immediate (but potential) life threatening issues. However, the flip side is, docs working 100 hr work weeks and also contracting the virus. Once they go, who the hell is going to take care of us?? THAT is a legitimate real ripple effect that ha a MUCH larger impact than the virus itself.

People need to stop comparing to flu. The flu has an actual vaccine and still causes deaths and for all intents and purposes, there are methods to contain. Not so with Corvid-19 :(

The automotive industry was showing no signs of slowing until the last few days, apparently some main distributors for dealers are closing down for few weeks at this point. Without the distributors parts departments aren't going to receive special order or stock items, basically bringing service departments and wholesale to a stop.

What I do day to day heavily relies on having a stock order each day, I manage a multi-million dollar Amazon seller account and without the stock, I cannot fulfill orders. Even with the current state of things my sales are high and consistent. If our supplier does close down, I'm going to either have to sell all of our current stock and walk away for a week or opt to put the account on "Vacation" to ensure we still have stock for any customers walking in/the service department. Either way my pay will be taking a significant hit and its going to be a mess getting everything back up and running.

All it seems we can do is take things on a daily basis and keep on keeping on. I wouldn't mind a week or so off even if its un-paid, but I know there are others I work with who cannot take that pay hit from not working.

In the auto/insurance repair business... so far no impact on work. Been told by the owners "if theres work in the shop you will be working". Got 2 kids, school is closed for atleast a month. There old enough to stay home by themselves. My wife is a manager for a medical center. Mostly older patients. 55 and up. They are not seeing anyone at her facality. Just making well-fare calls and help direct people in the right direction.

Besides from that i see noone taking this serious at all. State mandatory closings of business and restaurants, but the general public acts like nothing is happening


FLORIDA.....

I just heard that FORD, GM, Chrysler and Honda are all temporarily closing factories in the US now... getting parts is going to start getting interesting

Worried about parts when people are dyning?

Point taken. I can also see the flip side along the lines of warranty repairs, assembly lines and just basic maintenance through dealer networks to keep cars and warranty repairs up to date.

Who else is working from home and won't miss a paycheck and is planning to invest their government check(s) into paying off non-mortgage debt and investing in the newly cheapening stock market?

You are welcome

PAY Check
 

I'm in the military so I will not lose that source of revenue, but my part-time job working at Golds Gym as a personal trainer laid me off. They have no game plan going forward and told me to apply for unemployment. I believe I don't qualify because it's a part-time job, but that's how I'm paying off our debt from my wife's breast cancer. I'm also stuck paying my daughter's car payment because she was laid off from the restaurant she works. This sucks all away around, and I might get deployed with less than 8 months before retirement.

California going on lockdown now...sheesh.

Talk about bullshit over reaction designed to take away our constitutional rights and crash the economy for political gain.

My country of 500k people has... Two, yes, two Corona positive people with minimal symptoms who are self quarantined.

They have now issued a travel ban, you can only be out to get food, go to whatever work is still open or seek medical attention.

Meanwhile, we had two shooting murders this week. One Sunday morning the other Monday night. Both urban youth gang violence.


So Fucking stupid.

This is all about flattening the curve and preventing overrun of the hospitals. How many negative pressure rooms and ventilators are in your counties hospitals? If 1% of your counties population required critical care could the hospitals handle that? What happens to the other people having strokes, heart attacks, etc.

so far, toyota is still up and running, i heard that the shut the plant down but i cant confirm it... but the boss decided to self quarantine so why cant we? i have a 1 year old daughter that id prefer to stay healthy i cant be taking this virus home from working on gross cars all day


OHIO

I'm thankful my work in mental health allows me to work from home in los angeles. This week I'm working and grateful only getting paid less about a third of my income. It's actually kinda nice not to work 80 hours a week and do 50-something.

lot of friends in the restaurant industry having it real rough with no work. People I know in health care are going through a lot of hardship with much longer hours. really hope we don't end up like Italy. Also very scary to see how this is going to impact the economy.

Who gives a crap.

So to "save" a thousand lives we are going to destroy everyone financially? Millions of people out of work, people will be losing their homes, business crippled, retirements lost... Etc! For what!?? To keep gramps alive another 6 months so he can die of influenza, H1N1 or a staff infection instead?

This will destroy the middle class.

The banks and huge businesses (Walmart, Apple, Amazon) will profit while small brink and mortar shops can't make rent.

Big chain fast food will survive with drive thru's, delivery and carry outs... But the local restaurants, dinners and bars will suffer.

Wealthy bankers can telecommute while auto workers, skilled trades and waiters go on unemployment.

Then we'll get a $1k stimulus check and a $100B bank bailout. $1k is two weeks pay so those McDonald's wankers can buy their legal pot and a PS5. I could wipe my ass with it.

It won't cover the fact mortgage rates shot up 2pts despite the fed being at 0%, it won't cover the $90k nose dive my 401k took, the 5% raise I just lost or whatever the fuck happens to my home's value.

But hey! We kept the hospitals opened and prolonged a few people's lives by another year or two.

Corbic presents a good point in regards to the balancing act and which is why, as I said before, we will not see the full effect until months down the line

As mentioned unemployment in just one county is up some 1000% (or whatever the math is to go from 6500 to 78,000 over the course of a week).

As mentioned, the middle/lower class won't be able to weather this as a fair share (be it by their own or economic doing) live paycheck to paycheck.

Makes you wonder just how strong the economy really is......or better yet, for WHO.... :(

You have a great point about the middle class. People should probably stop voting for the party that continues to hollow out all support for them while they swallow the bullshit lies about draining the swamp and throwing up distractions such as immigration.

I also agree with you that corporate welfare is not the answer and will squander our tax dollars. No company deserves a bailout, they should be forced to borrow with all the low interest loans that are being touted for everyone else.

This virus isn’t just killing or hospitalizing “grandpa”, it has and will continue to affect and kill younger demographics. This article sites the CDC directly https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

I understand your frustration and anger but it’s not as simple as your previous post alludes to.

The Democrats? I've watched every debate, the closest one to giving a shit was Tulsi and she was buried. The rest have been blatantly anti-middle class.






https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/healt...ths/index.html

Again, strip out population curve and this is a typical flu that attacks the elderly. What's untypical is its nonexistent in the under 20 group.

Typical flus smash the under 10 and over 70. This seems to simply hit the over 65.

"You know what I’d like him to do, I’d like him to go back to The State Department, or as they call it, the deep state department"

Meanwhile, an adult in the toom:
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Sorry, I am the parts guy at my job... And we ain't closed yet!!

That took all of 24 posts to turn political lol!

You lost it when it referenced Maricopa county, the Florida of Arizona.

So I work at Motorsport Auto, we specialize in Datsun and Nissan Z parts ONLY. We work very close with Nissan and most large aftermarket parts suppliers, we ship over 150 packages per day through USPS and FedEx. We have not been effected as a business due to all this yet. We have shut our showroom down so customers can not come in our building, but have set up a no contact pick up service using a table outside our sales office for customers to pick up items while we are on the other side of the glass.

Just got word this morning the largest network of Nissan dealerships in So Cal laid off about 50% of their workforce. Most, if not all salesman, service porters and parts delivery drivers are all temporarily laid off until further notice. The amount of shops ordering parts and deliveries has diminished for them about 75%, and they let us know this morning that if they lose the 3 or 4 accounts they still have open for parts ordering and delivery then they will shut down until further notice, meaning we can not get Nissan parts, meaning we will most likely have to shut down due to not getting parts in. We are still waiting to see what happens, but very shitty feeling just waiting to see what happens with the Automotive industry that has been deemed "Essential" in these times.

Can we get a thread change to “China virus” to spice it up in here a bit.

Exactly,

Now is the time to start pointing fingers. I’m willing to say most countries aside from the US are doing just that, especially with the recent findings of China knowing about this almost a month previously. Why drop a bomb when you can fuck everyone and release a virus unnoticed. But they’re good guys right.

Giving up my location just to give my 2 cents..

I'm here in NYC, the worst place to be supposedly based on number of deaths/cases/etc.

I left my house briefly once in the past week just to go to the bank so I'm trying to distance myself as much as possible, but I am going a bit crazy with cabin fever. However, the brief moment I was outside, I noticed:

- Social distancing? What's that? People around here aren't practicing it here at all and in reinforced from what I can see based on my friends posts/videos on social media as well in other parts of the city.

- not many people wearing masks/gloves/PPE in my neighborhood. Just a normal day here with people at the park playing ball, walking next to each other, etc. Taking advantage of the nice-ish weather

kinda hope these people that don't listen get what's coming to them, but at the same time, I understand that sometimes you just gotta do it and not be afraid of it and live your life. The regular flu kills thousands of people a year, this new covid-19 has killed many more. If we are lucky enough, it'll end soon like SARS of 03 or MERS of 12. If not, then it should be around in the future and will continue to take many more lives. We have evolved over the years, and so will strains of viruses.

I am in North Carolina, where our local municipality (third largest in the state) declared stay at home orders on Friday. This was after the governor ordered non essential businesses like nail salons, spas, beauty/barber shops close at 5 on Wednesday.
Tomorrow makes two weeks I have been working from home.
We literally only leave the house for supplies and make a point of stocking up to avoid having to go out much. Stores are ridiculous, people run on TP and cleaning products. The streets are BARREN when we do go out for anything.
I am cool with working from home and it will save me money on supplies, gas and wear and tear on my car. The money I don't have to spend on my daughter's after school is being split between savings, paying down credit and online retail therapy. My Rakuten rebates will be ridiculous at the end of this.

As I have been out and about, I notice people NOT social distancing with basketball courts full of people, the neighborhood kids playing football in the yard and random people wandering and shit.
I am having the hardest time dealing with the fact that I have apparently NEEDED basketball all my life

I’ve had to make some trips to Home Depot and people are doing an ok job. Haven’t seen anything blatantly. I have noticed parents WITH their kids at the grocery store. I guess if you can’t leave them home alone that’s one thing, but I saw a mom with her daughter who was probably 15-16. Stay tf home.

We have one side of Milwaukee that is not taking this seriously. Pretty fucked up looking at the map.

I am glad they are changing unemployment so that I can file as a freelancer. Basically planning on paying off debts with every penny I get (we don’t qualify for the other part of the stimulus). Hoping on the other end of this thing to be in really nice shape.

Interested in how the real estate market looks afterwards.

There is a reason the US surpassed China and Italy in total with number of cases.......

I noticed the very same thing last week. People are treating this like a vacation.....

When this first started in Italy I thought my italian coworkers were overreacting a bit. Seeing how they've contained it now I'm led to believe that the US will get hit much worse.
Seeing everyone on social media doing whatever tf they want... idk.

I'm worried as hell about the various impacts on the economy, which is not to take away from the effects on people.

The Fed is projecting up to 50M unemployed; that's something around 29% unemployment.

We already are heavily underemployed in low-income areas; we're going to need to make big strides toward addressing poverty or we're going to end up creating a larger underclass than we already have.

How are hospitals going to bounce back? How many of the people who get COVID-19 are underinsured or uninsured? If we lose a significant amount of our medical workforce, then what? How do we deal with people who have long-lasting effects like lung scarring?

This seems to have shown the weakness of various industries- and the weakness of an economy where raising capital means becoming a slave to your investors.

We were already heading toward a manufacturing recession, and now we're going to enter it in earnest. What are the ramifications for automation down the line? Will this lead to automation, since machines can't get sick? If so, how many of the unemployed just plain won't come back?

Fascinating, if sad.

I feel like that whole eviction foreclosure moratoriums are just prolonging the inevitable if the borrowers/renters cant get back on their feet fast enough.

Paying back only one month of rent in a six month period is going to be impossible for many of those people accepting this assistance.

^^ My thoughts exactly. If they cannot afford to pay this month or the next, they haven't worked for several weeks to make up the balance (that $1200 is literally nothing if you also factor in essentials), how do they expect for them to have money just appear??

From what I understand, private lenders are not required to be held to same requirements as .gov lenders. As in, the Gov can wipe out 2-4 months on a payment and absorb the cost as required by the stimulus, etc. Private lenders do not have to do any such thing........especially if they didn't accept the bailout money

This is only a tip of the iceberg. Shit's about to hit the fan here and it'a aint gonna be pretty...

It will be ugliest for people who rent. A suspension is the only option they have and when this blows over, whenever this blows over, they will need to get right and current.
Mortgage holders may be able to see this as a deferment added to the end of the loan.
Again, this will REALLY hit the people least equipped to handle it the hardest. I am working an "essential" job, but from home and will not miss any mortgage payments, thank God.

^^^Yep. Which is why the 3.2M on unemployment last week, a record high, is only just the beginning.

As I stated, most people live paycheck to paycheck. Sure, they can weather missing one, but two?? Nope.....

It doubled to 6.6M today.

End the two-party system. It has failed us. Widespread poverty, government entangled and entwined in business, constant intrusions into our personal lives, racist and anti-poor legal system, etc.

Not interested in ending up like china, Turkey or any authoritarian country. All a single party system will lead to is a consolidation of power ala Russia.....where you get Presidents literally changing the Constitution, and literally restarting time.

No thanks. We need a more educated population to make the correct choices in terms of politicians and to hold them to a MUCH higher standard and better oversight. We deserve everything that has happened to us as US population has made that choice....WE the people elect these folks. They didn't elect themselves.....

The two party system has NOTHING to do with the response to this. If you have inexperienced folks and yes men running the shop, this is the outcome....

Florida is leading the charge with stupidity during this crises. The Florida Governor waited until today to establish a stay at home order, they will peak with Covid cases in early to late May. Texas is starting to shut down it's Louisiana border due to their inability to shelter in place and have an order. Louisiana will be in the same boat as Florida.

Texas has 44 new cases, because UT students said fuck it and went to Mexico for Spring Break. Dumb asses!

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/ut-...navirus-threat

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...d-15164996.php

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/gove...n-in-louisiana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgCCXSrwHA

I'm talking more, not less, my dude. We need three, four, seven, ninety-one parties.

You are absolutely, unequivocally, wrong about our two-party system having nothing to do with the response to this. Our sides are so heavily separated that agreement is difficult even in the good times. Our choices last election were between this fucking orange turd and a Warhawk she-devil. We are walking ourselves into the fire because we all have to bleed blue or red, not because we're actually putting America First.

We aren't going to fix anything with the Queens Shitheel or Joe "What Year Is It?" Biden in the White House.

Again, when the outbreak occured, it was not both parties responsibility to address it. If you would like for me to add the timeline on how this admin addressed it, I sure will. Shoot in the news conference today Jared stated they had "their" masks.....not the state, not the counties...their
.as in the president or whoever he is referring to...

At one point it was called a hoax and we all were told we had it under control. Yet here we are.....

I dont want multiple parties, I want better options


That's all I got for politics. Everything is shut the fuck down for atleast another 1-2 months

Yeah its a shit show

You won't get better options from mainstream parties. These parties gave us a turd sandwich and a douchebag for candidates. Again. On a state level, they give us turd sandwiches and douchebags. All we fucking get are turds and douches.

Democrats are just as complicit as Republicans about the national stockpile. The Dems had a chance to reup California's stockpile after the Repubs gutted it and didn't.

Even Bernie's an Independent running as a Dem.

.......and the people vote them all in

If you're mad, the parties or candidates are not where you should be directing your anger. They all get voted in by thier own constituents, so please properly direct your anger.

And wtf does California's stockpile have to do with the national stock pile? No one keeps a stockpile....be it state, county or city because no one can predict when there is a pandemic outbreak. The feds are responsible to distributing to the states. California is not responsible for Wisconsin....

Due to the inaction and not declaring a national emergency or taking action here we are.....

And when I say stockpile it's a stockpile.that will.cover every single person (or 80% or so). Every state has a small.amount available

I have no idea on how this is going to play out, but its pretty obvious that this is such a large-scale problem that it will result in a serious problem probably much bigger than the country or world has ever seen. Bill Gates hit the nail on the head with that TED talk he did years ago, and here it is.

I think most of us can all agree in how upside down everything has been for many years now. The cost of housing has been stupid, regardless if its to rent or own. The cost of auto parts has gone up tremendously. Everythings been inflating and I am looking forward to this bubble bursting.

In terms of humanity, nobody welcomes death but boy is it necessary. Theres just too many people on this planet and we're doing more damage than good. Well, one things for certain... lots of deaths will mean lots of properties available and at more realistic prices. Assuming the economy does not collapse. Hopefully our *world leaders* will make the right decisions to prevent this from happening.

I need the POTUS to explain this. I find it sad that everything the Obama administration set in place, Trump has destroyed or crippled. This includes programs or laws that directly benefit the American people.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...aised-69594177

Or not I guess.

Seriously though, let?s not turn this into the Trump bashing thread 2.0.

The thing I hate the most about this fucking issue is the humongous amount of shit information that is being let out without any facts or information to back it up. One day you hear one policy, then it changes to something else. Now we’re 3 weeks in and our wanna be Mathew McConaughey govenor decides we should all be wearing some form of a mask huh?

The social distancing thing sucks ass too, I don’t mean people standing further away from me in lines while paying or waiting, but this whole shit to keep people out of the stores and 6 feet away at all times is just ridiculous and not gonna happen in certain areas. It’s plugging the rest of the system up and for those like me who still have to work, it’s making dealing with fucking idiots way more difficult.

Well in defense of the situation, it IS changing day by day. Just watch these press conferences every day and get the info right from the administration’s team.

Obviously there are local policies but for the most part it’s the same deal.

And yeah, it all sucks. Just do your best and try to be conscious of the guidelines. That’s all you can do.

Like exitspeed said, its day to day. Also, they still have to go b the CDC guidelines. Remember, the governers are not scientist or doctors......

However, if the CDC says one thing, and the governor completely ignores it, that is totally on the governor (like FLorida......)

It just dawned on me that these kids are probably going to have some PTSD going back to school.

There's this whole situation they are in right now, the extra stress at home and lack of structure (although I know most parents are trying their best, myself included) and then not seeing their friends in person and interacting with them. And then we're going to just throw them back in to a classroom setting. It's going to be tough. And this is different from Summer vacation because a lot of kids still have activities they do like sports and whatnot. It's also significantly longer.

^^ Agreed. Or the stress on literally not advancing daily and gaining knowledge.

Also, people who have to transition back to work at minimum 3 months not commuting, not deal with other people, not dealing with traffic, parking, or just public transit.

It's amazing how many things we take for granted :(

Just wanted to post in hopes that no one here ever gets it. Friend's mom got it and she passed in 4 days.

The numbers are very real, but they get outdated literally minutes after publishing. The big unknown is the unconfirmed cases. The ones that are undiagnosed. THAT'S the scary figure. Why? Because there's no number for it.

I'm blessed to be healthy (as of today), to still have a job (as of today), and for none of my loved ones to be affected (as of today). Do that facetime session with that friend or family member you've been putting off for months/years. Make that bomb ass meal you always wanted to tackle. Say I love you to as many people as possible. You really never know.

Stay safe everybody. Political-party jabbing/finger-pointing isn't the thing to put effort into right now. Take care of yourselves.

With all due respect, this entire thing is political. Everything is political when it relates to politicians and their actions. I get worked up about it because people are dying due to ineffectual governance and people who don't die may end up getting absolutely nailed to the wall by healthcare costs after a period of unemployment.

My shop's still open, but my painter, one of my body guys, my GM and one of my bookkeepers are all taking time off. It's raining, which means I'm double-fucked because I can't put cars outside so what work we do get done is at 50% efficiency.

I wanna know when they make “Hazard pay” mandatory for everyone still going in. Fucking Costco stockers get another $2 raise, but I work on equipment and vehicles that’s all over skid row and we don’t get shit. To make this sane, they must keep everything equal.

This week is supposedly peak week. Lets hope thats the case and things start to calm down.

^ that's somewhat inaccurate. Each state has it's own projected peak time frame. DC for instance is not until June/July timeframe.....

No one could know peaks because we simply aren't testing enough, and where we are testing, we're not completing testing fast enough. California has more than 10% of its tests currently in process. You cannot determine how this moves through our population without data.

In SoCal, my town has less than 10 cases for an infection rate of approx. 0.02%. One of my techs decided to take the week off because everything has him on edge. I need him to finish three cars, so now I'm another week behind.

Texas peak is unknown, due to the fact several nursing homes failed to contact the CDC with positive Covid cases. This happened in my home town of Yoakum, Texas as well as Austin, Texas. My wife is currently working from home screening patients and sending them to a local Covid testing centers or scheduling them to see their PCM. On the military front, more and more of my collides in the Medical field are getting activated. I'm nervously waiting to see if the Federal Government activates a stop clause measure for all service members EAOS or Retiring in the next six months. All Branches of service missed their recruiting quota by significant amounts for the past three years, regardless of what the POTUS says.

Just got a mandatory 2 day furlough at work because none of our customers are paying us and payroll is getting scarce. Whack.

Im a government employee and if I were to get furloughed Id actually be getting paid more to sit at home as opposed to be receiving a government job paycheck. My state the max for UI is $450 a week PLUS the $600 additional that is being thrown in due to the CARES act

Not bad haha.

I've been taking solo drives up and down my local canyon road for the sake of getting out of the house and getting some fresh air. Unfortunate circumstances, but the roads are EMPTY.

Careful, I heard they were ticketing and impounding around GMR/ Azusa canyon.

So..nothing's changed? :rofl:

I'm curious how this whole thing is and will affect the housing market. Right now interest rates are really low, but houses are sitting on the market largely because people literally can't go out and see them.

I also keep wondering if things will fully recover when this all blows over. Are all the displaced workers going to get their jobs back? Are people going to come out of quarantine in full force and start spending money?

Not the case each time I go, but yeah I do watch out everytime regardless.

Yeah this is the new "normal" for a while.

As for recovery, it'll take a looong time. This pandemic basically made the economy go cold turkey in a matter of weeks. Can't undo all that just as fast.

PTSD? What the fuck, we're talking about staying at home _NOT_ going to Vietnam. Gee I can see it now, PTSD over staying at home and jerking off, playing videos and watching DVDs. There is NO comparison to this being anywhere near as bad as how it was in the past. This is like a vacation.

The only PTSD I can think of are husbands who are at home, listening to their yelling children and nagging wife.


They have online viewings, no big deal. Problem is the excess inventory from all the people who will be DEAD. Supply and demand, watch the prices DROP.

More important is that this Safer At Home request will get extended and more strict, mark my words. This is just the beginning.

I feel sorry for anyone who's paid their rent. Next month is right around the corner and again, rent will be due. Paying rent while being forced to stay home and not work (non-essentials)? I dont think so. Not unless you're able to work from home and are actually generating money.

Dude, people your age are dying. You need to be careful.

What’s your source? The virus will mutate and evolve, it already has with two strains identified.

I've been working from home for three weeks now. My last haircut was on day four.
I haven't missed a second of work, and have actually eked a little overtime since my last move was back to hourly despite coming with a raise.
I miss my barber more than almost anyone

Obviously this isn?t the same as being in a war.

However, war isn’t the only traumatic thing someone can experience. I?m POSITIVE people had some form of PTSD after the Great Depression and I know for sure lots of people had PTSD after the Great Recession. Same thing. I?m telling you when we toss these kids back in a room together after not seeing anyone for 6+ months they?re going to feel weird and uncomfortable.

Working in mental health and specializing more in emotional trauma, a common misconception is that ptsd is reserved exclusively for war and combat. Not to minimize ptsd from war, it's actually far more widespread and I don't doubt we'll get a lot of people being traumatized by all of this. One thing that definitely is there is a lot more depression from what I've seen so far.

At this point, I am willing to remain home for a couple extra weeks while people decide to "liberate" their states and kill off a few hundred thousand people just to prove that the scientists and doctors know what the fuck they're talking about if the "leaders" apparently don't

Although I still have to go to work as our company was deemed essential, I do hope that those needed "liberation" go out and get sick. I really hope these individuals realize that staying at home will benefit the entire community, not just themselves. But at this point, being several weeks into it, they wont and they will be begging the hospital to let them in when they're blue in the face cause they cant breathe.

Yeah, my company is one of the most "essential" in all of this (clinical lab), but I work a position that was easily transitioned to work from home. So I havenot missed a second of work.
I usually really only leave for supplies and custody exchanges. Gas is so cheap right now that I take the long way everywhere. I live less than a mile from two grocery stores, so I can get there early enough to not worry about meat and toilet paper shortages. I am actually SAVING more money during this shit than I might have if I was able to roam freely. That said, I wouldn't be mad if this shit lasted on through May as well!

LOL he is not really 78 . Oh and people of all ages are dying. The biggest factor is a high percentage like close to 85% of the people dying have underlying health issues already.

The best thing to do is to keep distance and wash your hands quite frequently. I literally wash my hands everytime I go outside and inside. I carry a small bottle of hand sanitizer so I have it when hand washing is not available. You can easily make hand sanitizer as well. Rubbing Alcohol and aloe or mint tea oil and hydrogen peroxide.

I know social distancing sucks but what sucks more is getting sick with
Covid19 . Though truthfully if you live in California you have a high chance of already having been exposed or even having had it already.

Why do I say this? Look at the timeline it broke out in Wuhan in late Nov early December. It was reported to the WHO by China at the end of December. The only journalism that really covered it with alarm was the Journal of Science. Every other news organization noted it but did not give much attention.
Meanwhile Los Angeles and Long Beach two of the biggest ports in the country and responsible for a high percentage of imports from China went about their business. With business you had people traveling back and forth between here and China.
Now a high percentage of Chinese immigrants also do business with or worth in the Silicon Valley as well.
So you had two major interaction points in California . So forward to mid January and NAMM ( NAtional association of music merchandisers) a huge music industry convention in Anaheim where all the music equipment manufacturers get together. People come from all over the world to look at the new equipment coming out from all the manufacturers aka retailers. Ad to that its a major gathering of musicians from the very famous to not so famous that perform at sponsored shows for free. Ad into that producers and engineers as they now have included AES ( Audio Engineering Society ) into the mix.
Now why bring this up. Well as like most modern industries lots of stuff in the music industry is now manufactured in China and yes at NAMM there are a lot of Chinese reps. Well a lot of the Chinese reps at NAMM where going around wearing face masks. We asked ourselves hmm why are they wearing face masks. No one was talking about Wuhan no one was talking about Covid. Hell they were not even talking about it.
Now since we know that a lot of Asians at the first sign of sickness dawn face masks in hopes of not getting sick. Ya that sounds like a stereotype but before Covid19 in the U.S. it was pretty much true.
So we did not think much, except after NAMM several of us got sick with strange colds or fevers. My friend had a fever that put him down for nearly two weeks and he had cough he could not get rid for three weeks afterwards.
I had a strange chest only thing I thought was a cold that lasted over two weeks as well.
They even have told us a majority of healthy people who got Covid would experience a cold to severe cold to flu like symptoms and nothing more and some would not even know they had it.

So I think based of this sensible yet partly anecdotal evidence that its been here in California and possibly the U.S. overall longer than we realize.
That it took awhile to spread to the point where it spread faster.
That the reason California numbers are much lower than say New York are several different factors one is California is already started down the herd immunity road due to longer exposure. 2 is New York is more densely populated in the City. Plus did not have as much prolonged exposure. 3. That people here were getting it a lot but it was not being diagnosed as it appeared to be the flu. We have had a exceptionally bad flu season this year and 20k people have died from the flu( or so they think) as well in the U.S.
Plus my sister runs a credit card processing business and had clients in Vegas that got sick in December with pnuemonia like symptoms were tested for flu but did not show positive and had to go the hospital for it.
Just another interesting question and story.
So Social distancing can help for awhile to flatten the curve though eventually we do have to interact otherwise we will pro long the timeline of the disease.
First order would be to let children go out play and see friends as they are the least affected and would bolster herd immunity because they will develop anti bodies quickly. The older and at high risk( due to underlying medical conditions should still shelter in place. Healthy and recovered should go back to work and we should have testing perhaps by the businesses of employees to make sure they are not sick( ya I know that part is a tall order because we need more testing capability but that is actually starting to be corrected)
This would be the way till a Vaccine that works could be developed and administered.

Its really the way out though take it for what you will this is a new paradigm so to speak. It will probably be a year or two before we are back to what most of us considered normal.
Do not let the conspiracy theorists rule your thinking though be rational stay healthy we will get through .

Fuck that, we need to get back to being social. That?s human nature for normal human beings. Not all of us like to be hermits in our house afraid of the sun. Video games and shit is not a way of life, being outside and having interactions with other people is.

The thought of people/kids having PTSD is a joke. People need to harden the fuck up, i being a millennial can say we are the softest fuckers around with all these worries. Bunch of pussies now days with so many worries, the youth is doomed because of how we?ve evolved in our methods of thinking.

I am essential, have been since day one. All my family is essential, not a thing has changed in that regard. Once a cure is made this will be just another faze, am I?m willing to bet still a lower deal toll than SARS or even the flu season of 2016 which was around almost 80,000 killed?