I wrote a reply earlier but Zilvia was too busy at the moment.

The only thing I care to write again is my disappointment in the fact that people in general can?t handle multi faceted situations. Everything has to be heads vs tails, red team vs blue team, us vs them.

You?re either a democrat or republican, can?t be anything else.

Keep up the conversations here though. Maybe we will get somewhere.



On another note, this shit is bananas.


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...me-to-protect/


What a great way to treat the people who came running to protect your sorry ass.


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Basically every representative and senator was scrambling for a solution. Have to wonder who made that decision.

Not a good look for anyone, for sure.

I wish people would read past the headlines....No where in the article does it state elected officials made the call.

However after 3 sec Google search, it was VERY apparent it was NOT the doing of the elected officials but the DC Capitol Police....

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...capitol-461220

This is a perfect example of why we cannot have a civil discussion.....

And another example of how people need to look past just a headline....

That was an ABSOLUTE SHITTTY article by the Military Times.NO citation, no official remarks, no nothing. Just another story to throw incendiaries at the fire.

Fuck that

I recommend you take the time to do a little digging instead of running with a headline....

See my post above.

This is a special kind of stupid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep...-against-biden

Hey there, I'm NOT trying to say any of the following

-It's the Dems fault
-It's the Reps fault
-Bad Capitol Police Nyahhhhh
-Any blame on a specific group of people, however you label them


I don't know the specifics. All I'm trying to say is, National Guard was deployed to protect the Capitol. I don't care who called and said "National Guard, HALP!" Look at this treatment after they served their purpose. This is embarrassing and outrageous. It is deplorable that this is what you subject your protectors to.

Don't turn this into "Collegekid is a Left Libtard Democrat or White supremacist MAGA Republican". I'm just saying, "Bad situation is Bad."


Edit
I do have both articles open, no one is owning up to exactly who made the Guardsmen GTFO. I'm not going to sit here and pull quotes from both articles that basically say "It wasn't me".

Edit #2
Is twitter really the official channel for communication that our Lawmakers/Government workers are using? Is this where we should be watching our political news? I'm genuinely asking.

A lot of people are still sippin the DumbF*ck juice apparently. In all this Democrat vs Republican party nonsense, I'm not seeing any reassurance that they are working for the people. This is just like watching a bad soap opera at this point.

And this is where I call bullshit. As you stated in your very post

That to me states you are saying it is the elected officials....As they were the ones under siege in the Capitol.....

Either way, I agree with your sentiments. It is absolute bullshit situation in and out.....

Anyways, I was talking in generalities. And my statement you quoted above was directed to king....

EDIT 2 addressed; trump essentially made twitter his legislative and communication branch the last 4 years. How many high level folks has he fired over twitter before notifying the proper channels??

Not to be a dick, but this has been the norm for the last 4 years since trump took office. Not sure if you were paying attention or not :(

However, twitter is a tool. And just like everything else, it is HOW you use it. That is key.

There is alot of bullshit to sift through, but a little time and thought, you can wade through all of the crap.

Sorry to come off as a dick. But man, I wish people would write better fucking articles.

You keep thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is a Democrat. Not true, has not been true, but like s14 and zombie, you consider yourself a persecuted minority, beaten on by big mean Dems.

Deolio? Not a Dem. Me? Not a Dem. Kilburn? Not a Dem.

And yet, you think we are. You think, like many conservatives do, that you're nailed to the cross as the salvation of the United States while the people you support are busy palletizing their money off the backs of Americans.

Both sides are full of awful people. Both sides are full of people who have used others as stepping stones, who have used taxpayers as retribution for the transgressions of drunkards and addicts. Both sides are outmoded, undisciplined echo chambers of half-baked ideas.

As far as I can see there's still no specific culprit here. You don't know what I have or haven't read and can't possibly infer that from what I said. Maybe cool off.


In other news
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-po...edit-stimulus/

This would be life changing for millions of people. Universal basic income, education, and healthcare is the only way forward I see that isn't just spinning the tires.

They better hide those parts inside a bill for military spending :hahano:

Kilburn is fill blown communist. So there goes that argument. Additionally I saw all the praise and defense of Big Techs recent censorship and deplatforming. A Spade is a Spade.


Call yourself whatever you want, doesn't change anything.

What are you, a Doomer now?

I'm sorry that you think you're some genius non-partisan fence sitter. The reality is there is a definitive right and wrong in this world. Thier is good and there is evil. It's not a spectrum of "oh there's all these view points and their all true or the truth is in the middle".

That's being a spineless indecisive person with no moral fiber or backbone that just floats along with what we feels good in the moment.

You want to harp on the capital issue. Notice how a good 70-90% on the right condemned it and are appalled. But again, notice how you don't have 70-90% of the left condemning and calling in the national guard to Portland or all the other examples of government buildings and properties being attacked by leftists.

As for your "oh I voted for the superior candidate that nobody ever heard of", you either voted for Trump or you didn't, which means you voted for Biden.

Are we taking bets until how long before we start bombing brown kids again?

I could build a city out of the irony.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e0c6d1dcc3.jpg

If you think I'm a communist we should all be surprised you can even spell the word.

This us v them fantasy land shit you peddle in is precisely the shit that needs booted from public discourse. You can't coherently describe events or define terms. How the fuck could anyone take you seriously nevermind have any sort of fruitful discussion.

We need strong criminal libel laws for news and commentary. The well is poisoned.

(Directed at KingBum since I see you quoted him)

I love how people act like they are living in the worst point of human history, devoid of hope and opportunity and cry about "The American Dream is Dead!" yet ironic they are living in the peak of human civilization and are part of the top 3% of the fucking world.

This is what happens when life is too damn easy.

Ya'll wanna see income inequity? Have you seen the middle ages?

American Dream? Jesus, move the goal posts much?

1950 -

Married with two kids in your 20's

Served in the military for 2 years

Moved out of New York, Detroit or Chicago because you didn't want to live in a cramp dirty city apartment.

Bought a suburban house - 2 bedroom, no garage, 1 bath, ~ 1,000 square feet.

No A/C

Coal or Oil Furnace

No Cable TV or Internet
Had to save to buy a Radio or TV
Party Phone Lines that cost a fortune
Tiny refrigerator
You had a wash sink and clothes line

Owned 1 Car (no AC, 11mpg, no safety, AM Radio)

Today because you can't buy a BMW i8, a 2,000 SqFT Loft in Manhattan or afford a 4 Bed Room house in Pala Alto on your 30hr part time job with $130k in voluntary student debt you are somehow oppressed.

Get fucked.

Pack your shit up, move to Iowa and get a job cleaning septic tanks or roofing and you'll easily afford a home, car and a family.

Pro-Hint: 40hrs a week is the minimum suggested, not maximum.

And no I'm not going point by point with you on any of this. You'll move the goal posts and change definitions on the fly until people move on from the point you never had ground to stand on in the first place.

In your feelings before you even saw my reply. lol

Never change, Corbic. Obviously people need an example for comparison.

Couldnt agree with you more. The problem is many people need to MOVE in order to get back to reality. Real jobs, whatever that may be. Shit, I worked till 2AM two days ago and 12AM yesterday. 8hr days would be HEAVEN.

Why did I see video of people dressed in black breaking windows in Oregon. What are they upset about now? I love how they coordinate their wardrobes, I gotta get some black attire too. Looks so menacing.

On a more important note, people still paying rent? Isnt Biden supposed to make this virus disappear?

30-40 people conspired to drive Congress into the tunnels and gas them. As yet unnamed coconspirators inside the capitol fed information to paramilitary individuals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...19d_story.html

This is exactly the sort of terrorism we fight abroad. Congrats to the Republican Party for driving us down this path.

You're missing the point, which is that for a country in the top 3% (of what exactly idk) we could be doing a lot better.

Funny hearing you guys talk about how much you worked and then act like you aren't indoctrinated. "tHaT's bEcAusE We aReN't LAzY nEcK-bEarDeD IPA-dRinKiNg sNoWfLaKeS" Nah, it's because you buy into century old patriarchal bullshit. WORKING 65 HOURS A WEEK FOR THE CORPORATION AND GOING HOME TO MY SLAVE-WIFE WHO DOES ALL THE HOUSEKEEPING AND CHILD REARING REALLY MAKES ME FEEL LIKE A MAN!

Shit's old and corny.

Of the world. You realize there is 7 billion people out there. Billions live in absolute destitute making less then $800 a year. Most without clean water, any forum of Healthcare including aspirin and under murderous authoritarian regimes.
Not getting a PS5 and some LeBrons is the least of their concerns.

But that would require people to work rather then bitch about statues and burn business while demanding the "rich" pay for their worthless degrees in garbage.....

Those are rookie numbers, gotta get that in the tipple digits. You think anyone worth a damn in history spend half their life watching TV and playing video games?

[QUOTE=deolio;6405640FOR THE CORPORATION AND GOING HOME TO MY SLAVE-WIFE WHO DOES ALL THE HOUSEKEEPING AND CHILD REARING REALLY MAKES ME FEEL LIKE A MAN!

Shit's old and corny.[/QUOTE]

Sounding a little bitter there. Why not start your own business and invest in yourself?

You don't need $100k in college debt to buy a $10k Tow Truck and start your own business. You don't need a trade school to get a Harbor Freight welder and learn to fab. You don't need tech school to learn to code.

Fuck dude, go lift some weights and learn to act. What one man can do, so can another.

https://youtu.be/u_ktRTWMX3M

I see you're still peddling the same "you can make a great living for yourself if you just pick up and move halfway across the country to some fucking boring flyover country podunk town and you can make enough shoveling shit at the local shitporium to buy a nice house in a nice part of a fucking boring flyover country podunk town and get yourself a nice girl and have yourself a nice family and you'll go to church and everything will be so American and enjoyable."

How is someone supposed to get to Iowa or Kansas and make their first month's rent with the $400 in savings they have? If they get a flat on their way, they'll arrive in Zeroelevationchangeville already in debt.

Still with your ooh-rah everyone needs to serve in the military bullshit too.

I keep telling myself I'm done with you and then you have to go and be closed-minded a little harder and all of a sudden I feel like Carradine and I tighten the belt around my neck a little tighter to feel that rush. One of these days I'ma get banned because I forgot my safe word and said no no things to you. Ya basic.

Bruh.

People literally have been traveling across the world, not even knowing the language, with only the clothes on their back and $15 in their pocket to come here and make a living.

So sorry you're two stupid or lazy to figure out how to ditch LA with $1800/M rent for a roach motel to make it to Grand Haven Michigan to live in a mansion under the same budget.

So sorry your too good to actually learn a skill, trade or offer a service that's actually of value to community.


Broken record of excuses.

Again, who the fuck told you life is easy and doesn't require sacrifice?

My statement of the American Dream and 2 years was by the mid 50's practically everyone served because of the draft.

If you are really jobless, trapped in Cali and have $400 and are under 30, fuck man, join the military.

If your not retarded you could save up $50k in cash, get out in 4 years with some marketable skills and move to somewhere with a good credit score and plenty of options.

Join the Navy, then go into the Merchant Marines making $100k a year working 8 months on 4 months off while seeing the world.


You call me narrow minded? *scoff*

You guys are falling for his shit like you have been for years. Hook, line, and sinker.

You don't have to justify yourselves or entertain his beliefs, assuming he actually believes what he says.

You've got him shaping the whole narrative, leaving you to react to whatever disingenuous bomb he drops next.


Rather than having flyover states with nothing to offer and handful of high cost cities we could have high speed internet as a right and an international high speed rail connecting all these places. Why shouldn't we create hundreds of thousands of jobs completely overhauling our stilted ww2 to cold war era infrastructure and society? As long as our deficit doesn't outpace inflation and GDP no cost is too high.

corbic is the voice of reason in a sea of stupidity here.

the state of california is FUCKED and beyond repair. if you think it makes sense to stay here, you guys are nuts. everyone is jumping ship for a reason, me included.

^Cool. You won't be missed.

You aren't listening to what I'm saying. I get it, we have it good and I agree, but why wouldn't you want it to be better?

The supposed shining city on the hill I see looks a lot better for everyone in it rather than just the elite who lucked, sucked, and fucked their way to the top.

A lot of people are working and tearing down the statues. Because people can be more than one thing.

I don't think there should be student debt forgiveness. However I do think education should be a lottttt fucking cheaper and the government could help with that. An investment in education (k-12, college, trade school, etc) is basically an investment in the economy. Having a better education helps regardless of you driving a tow truck or running a fortune 500.

Is Roger Ebert worth a damn?

I have 3 and I do well. Sup.

Not everyone wants to break their backs, turn into an alcoholic, and die of lung cancer at 45.

Went into more debt bootstrapping my ass into the game after college than I did while in college. And while my degree has little to nothing to do with any of my businesses, most peoples do. A college degree is necessary for a fuckton of jobs. Do you really want to go see a "doctor" with no med school training? An accountant with no CPA? A VC with no MBA? What the fuck are you even talking about? What is your issue with college? Inferiority complex much?


Seeing things in black and white doesn't mean you're decisive, it just means you lack tact and the ability to understand complex situations.

Everyone is jumping ship over income tax not realizing that the places they're going generate revenue through property taxes far higher than ours instead.

Good riddance.

The investments in education are just that, investments. The smarter and more capable our society is the greater the return is. Investment in education and art is how American primacy was born. The feds dumped a near unimaginable amount of money after ww2. NASA and DARPA are basically still that only they're overwhelmingly staffed by individuals from countries investing more in education than we are.

This implies otherwise....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...h=55c3e0b519a6


You are part of that elite and rather then bring appreciative you complain the world owes you and is unfair....







Disagree. A lot of protests, riots and looting made possible because people have to much free time. Lots of them found collecting covid supplemental unemployment paid better then working.

If they actually had jobs, hobbies and families they'd find better ways to spend their time instead of trying to tear down a Columbus statue or get arrested while attempted to burn a federal court house...



Good, we can agree on that.

Нет!!

Government can get fucked and go fuck off. Taxpayer Liable Student Loans is, was and continues to be the stupidest shit ever.

It is why costs have Exploded in the last 30 years. Universities have zero competition and charge whatever the max you can borrow.

The entire system needs gutted and rebuilt. You shouldn't force someone to spend $3k on a bullshit art class because they want a business degree. There is NOTHING you learn at university that you can't learn for free online.


100% agree and that starts with competition and deregulation. Parents should get to send their kid to whatever school they want. Some public schools get over $13k a year per kid and local private schools that cost less the $6k kick the shit out of them.

We need 100% education reform. Break the unions and restructure the entire thing. Professional administrators should run facilities, kids should be grouped on ability and not age and by 16 everything should be career and society survival focused.

Students should be encouraged to excel and not held back to the lowest standard. End factory managed education styles. Boys and Girls should have unique approaches, we should have more diversity in our teaches - ie male teachers and people with backgrounds other than education.

Did he sit around watching Anime bitching about universal income or did he turn his passion into a career?



Huh, so you, an average guy managed to beat the odds and luck, sucked, or fucked his way to success?

Sounds like that tuition money would have been more useful investing in your business....






I actually have two undergraduates and an MBA.

My issue is it's a scam and an excuse. For 90% of the jobs that require a degree it's simply a "ticket punch".

Business school talk me jack shit about SAP, ERP management, government contracting, tooling fabrication, international program management, V-shaped Recoveries, 4ups, QDRP Reviews, export/import laws for Romania, etc.


Also all those jobs you listed are not the standard "Bernie!! Save us!! I can't pay off my Sociology Masters working at Whole Foods!!" crowd.

College has become this great dumping ground that everyone thinks you must go to or you are inferior and will never succeed in life. Additionally everyone must go no matter how dumb, lazy or poor. So millions go, millions rack up tons of debt with no actual goal or direction and come out stupider.


Now who's projecting. So owning your own business and trying to make a living without universal income or $20/min instantly makes you a busted chain smoking alcoholic?


If you want tact and understanding go see a priest. I need neither to highlight opportunities for someone to better themselves.

Just met a guy Saturday at the Pick N Pull. Spoke very poor English, obviously wasn't here legally and you know how he makes a living? He makes $200-$300 a day, a fucking day... 6 days a week - pulling parts for people.

Send him a text, he pulls it, you meet him, give him cash and then pay for the part. $100 for an engine or trans, $30 for alternative, $15 for control arm, etc.

Bruh, that's $5k a month off the books. I joked "damn what do you do with all that money!!"

"I have wife and 5 kids, all girls, what money! No money for me!!"

So don't cry to me about having only $400 in your pocket and the only answer is Government if your unwilling to put in the work, move, sacrifice and work towards a goal. Nobody owes you shit.

Serious question. How?

https://twitter.com/verysleeby/statu...021037570?s=09

Talking to me or to "liberals?" Because that's the exact opposite of what I'm complaining about. I think everyone should have access to the resources and opportunities I had growing up. Not everyone is meant to go to college and become a surgeon, but it'd be nice if everyone had the option to. We'd end up with a much more skilled workforce and bump up that rookie 3% to a top .5%! ARE YA WITH ME товарищ

More black and white rhetoric blah blah blah show me some stats

I wasn't suggesting it to be paid by the tax payers, but by gutting and rebuilding as you said. Just for public colleges. Say, if prices were more comparable to city and junior college tuition. Private can do whatever the fuck they want.

The way streaming is these days, if he were a 20-something, maybe he could do both :rofl:

Luck and a little suck seemed to do the trick :hey:

Doing "well" and being at the top are quite different, but I appreciate the vote of confidence.

Had I not gone to college, I wouldn't have accidentally developed the skills that built the foundation for my career. And that's not to say I couldn't have made a career out of my degree.

True, I understand that, but also, unless you're given the opportunity to display your qualifications, that position that requires a degree is gonna chuck your resume.

Not everyone is or should be an entrepreneur.

It's hyperbole. Just saying it's not a one size fits all situation.

You're right, you don't need it for those purposes, but you do if you want to have a constructive conversation and a greater understanding of the world you live in.

totally agreed college is pretty much a scam.

with most degrees a 4yr college is more or less is high school part 2. not unlike high school one for the most part memorizes a bunch of material, bullshits some tedious paper, passes the class, moves on. not much of practical value is really learned. a lot of time is expended, money is paid for student loans and $300 textbooks.

only real value is one gets to progress to a master's program of choice. even with a master's program I think the value of the education itself is questionable. it certainly was for 90% of the masters level classes in my profession. much of the real education I think occurs in work experience in whatever industry you're in and specialized training one gets post master's program.

wish one could at the very least opt out of a 4 years bachelors program and go right to a master's program like one could for trade school. aside from being a money grab where the gatekeepers profiteer, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. making it free is not really the answer because someone still has to pay for it.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

BUT THERE ARE NO JOBS OUT THERE! Killburn from fuck-off-Fresno is crying saying that inflation and jobs at wallmart arent good enough!!!!

Yet, there are folks like the one you posted who know how to HUSTLE and dont mind getting their hands dirty. Thats the difference. There are some lazy Americans out there.

So you like paying taxes for food stamp, medical care, housing assistance, etc for underpaid walmart employees. You would rather put money directly into pockets of walmart executive staff and shareholders than see those trying to earn a living get it.

Those boots must taste awful good.

...bruh. You and I were clearly making headway. Take it as you will, but dude you and I just did this dance and you're already contradicting again. You are perpetuating the 'sides' and you are poisoning the well.


Hey man, I'm not talking shit but I'm genuinely asking: are you married, or living with a significant other and have kids?

I'm about to have my first kid and my wife will be at home for the foreseeable future. She worked up until October of last year. Is she gonna keep the house clean because she's my slave? No. She's going to do it because she's my teammate and I'd do the same for her if she was working and I was at home...because I got pregnant...or...you get it. In this instance, falling into the gender roles (man go earn, woman stay home) was unavoidable due to only one of us having the hardware to birth and feed an infant...but who knows? Maybe I get an even better job one day and my wife can stay home and take care of my son and the house. Maybe (once my son is old enough) my wife gets a baller job and I stay home and clean the house and take care of our son. Would I be the slave, then?

Placing a value on hard work does not mean you are blindly indoctrinated. There is money on the proverbial table and there are people who will plot, plan, and figure out how to get it even if it means 'selling out to the man' and working for some corporation. To say we(?) do it because we're indoctrinated is a little short-sighted. We(?) do it because the money, unfortunately, is freedom to roam and provide yourself with some sort of security. If you go to ANY type of job where you are not your own boss, you are indoctrinated to earn. You can be a rat in a maze, the rat that's aware they're in the maze, or the rat that's not in the maze but still has to do something for the cheddar. Pun intended.

I edited my long-ass post multiple times just to end up here: You guys say 'typical Corbic and ixfxi' when they talk about hard work. Then Corbic and ixfxi say 'typical kids' when you talk about how the system is fucked and we're all indoctrinated. The latter have played the game enough to get ahead but where are you currently typing from? A small apartment, a house with roommates, or your parents' home? Do you feel safe parking your SChassis outside where you live? Is that your only car? (Generalizations work both ways.)

Unless you are a voting member of the RNC or hold public under their banner you aren't a Republican. I don't know how many times and ways I need to say that.

Here, I'll say it again for you. Fuck the private political organizations that have coopted our elections and stolen our government from us.


The fantasy land us v them is the made up liberal/progressive/leftist v conservative/traditionalist. Your refusal to grasp the that is on you and your insistence that every disagreement be a fight is on you.

Honestly, it's the constant insistence that everything must be personal and a big fucking fight that makes me want to fire bomb everything. You all have to be such miserable fucking assholes about every goddam detail that you can't even have a conversation.

No one wants to take your stupid empire of dirt from you. No one wants to force your pregnant wife to work. No one is demanding $100k to wash dishes. The existence of a world beyond your direct control is not a fucking threat to your way of life!


Every political anything here boils down to the same one fucking thing every time. Corbic and ixfxi think these youngins with electricity and in door plumbing have it too easy. Good for them. You agree? Good for you. A literal goddam century of statistical analysis says otherwise. America is dying a slow death of wealth inequality and austerity while hostile rivals work to surpass us and are s u c c e e d i n g. How long do we have to entertain old men yelling about soft youth because we're on a ticking clock here.

Dude I agree here but your language used here is either failing you or you're being a hypocrite. I'm just pointing it out. I think I'm doing it in a reasonable way. I can do that without wanting to start an argument. Would you agree your WRITTEN WORDS here could be construed as contradicting?

Again, I pretty sure at least my tone was conversational. You're making this a fight rather than a discussion. That's why I have to add all these disclaimers to what I'm saying...you can't hear my tone of voice. We aren't exactly changing the world on Zilvia.

Who is succeeding and surpassing us? If 'they' succeed choose to go to war, our 'soft people' will fight it. I was in an 'easy' branch and I can tell you that none of us were ready for shit to go down and half us were not even qualified to operate the gear we had. People were complaining of being overworked and under-appreciated: AKA they were in the military. These are the people that I'm worried about. Their work ethic and entitlement are a symptom of the times.

I'd like to know how Russia and China are lightyears ahead of us in terms of wealth inequality...

OT:

https://coffeeordie.com/national-guard-parking-garage/

Coffeeordie is going the way of sensationalist news, but you can trust that they'll blindly defend the military. Planners probably didn't think this thing through and it led to a shitty set up for the people that deployed. It sounds like the dude that ordered them out of the parking garage was acting of his own accord without any real order to remove the troops...but that didn't make for good news headlines.

Also, from firsthand experience, the military is not doing the best job of handling COVID and this proves it.

Double Post,

certain people speak from knowledge and experience, and others talk out of their ass. you see, you cant have a conversation with someone people. the funny thing about politics is that anyone can talk about it, speak their opinions. the difference is, who speaks from facts and who spews bullshit. we're not all on the same level. some are on super mario world 1, and others have looped the game numerous times.

if there is anything i would like to say, is that i think its a damn shame so many people cant speak their opinions without getting into these massive arguments. but with killburn on this forum, i think he would contract and argue with himself. oh well, its good comedy i guess

You have decided I'm the bad guy and decided I mean anything but what I have clearly stated. The only clarification you seek is my capitulation and that is not happening. This isn't a misunderstanding. If I don't sound inviting in entertaining this line of discussion further that's why.

Dude I'm really not. You words, as written, are the only thing I'm trying to make sense of. I don't know you outside of this forum but the typed words here are contradicting and I'm asking if you notice it or not, or if it's intended, or if it's simple a mix-up due to trying to respond in a hurry.

There is no 'gotcha' because at the end of the day I'm on the other side of the world doing fuck all. If you don't wanna talk, then don't. It's really fine, man. Your circumstances and beliefs only matter to me if we can find some commonality and agree to disagree. I really only care to make sense of what you're saying so I can understand. I'm pointing out contradictions to better understand what's up. If you don't want to answer me, then that's cool.

You see a contradiction because you don't understand what I'm saying and you chose to attack rather than trying to find that understanding.

I keep saying that the DNC and RNC are private organizations. Citizen voters are not party members and have effectively zero say in their internal workings and party platforms. The wealthy and powerful do this dance with these two private organizations for the strange currency that is our votes and public perceptions. We Are Not Party Members. If ever you see me mention Democrats and Republicans I am not talking about citizen voters, I'm talking about public officials and party members.

If you want an us v them it is us the citizen voters v them the ultra wealthy and politically powerful. They float these bullshit narratives in the media and get people into mass hysteria. Team blue is dancing one way, team red dances the other, and you end up with everyone in hysterics over the dumbest shit while the Senate stabs us in the back with unanimous consent.
The wrinkle here is that the dance team red has been doing isn't just distracting it's dangerous.

The distraction that is Corbic and ixfxi is beyond frustrating because they are parroting old irrational talking points and everyone jumps right back into the hysterics. We never get to policy or even actual politics.

As proof that both parties are full of shit watch the Democrats preach unity and moderation now that they've got full control. They'll demonize the Justice Democrats like they used to the Freedom Caucus.

And they'll lose the midterms, again, and we'll be back to status quo.

Meanwhile.... Hotep Jesus looking to get the Twitter perma ban. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5ce32dba6c.jpg

I don't. Again, hyperbole. I don't know how to have serious conversations without exaggerating or being sarcastic. Probably why these discussions never go anywhere :rofl:

Congratulations on the baby! (No sarcasm here)

I just don't see working a lot of hours equating to working hard. I'm sure everyone knows someone who could turn sharpening a pencil into a 6 hour ordeal. If you, however, managed to save 5 kids and a nun from a burning orphanage in that 6 hour period, THAT is something to be proud of. Producing people who take pride in their work and are more than happy to work extended amounts of time is exactly the kind of worker our education system and society is structured to build. This is where you might insert the term "sheeple." Gotta achieve success so you can buy nice things and in turn feed the machine.

I'm not saying don't work hard or work for long hours if that's what floats your boat, but realize we're all indoctrinated from birth. Being aware of it helps put priorities in perspective.

Indeed. Easier to generalize than try to understand different perspectives. Corbic's replies the past page or whatever actually helped me get a better understanding of his thinking. It was a nice break from the memes :keke:

We'll be seeing $5/gallon again real soon in America and prolly $10/gallon in California.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...68976169c1.jpg

This.

Screw the parties; they're leeches set upon us by the wealthy and powerful.

Screw the parties, screw the large corps, and screw the alphabet agencies. Screw Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, Ellis, and the rest of them. Screw every news network.

And yet you apposed Trump at every step... The only political threat to both parties and corporations.

Fucking Ironic.

Oligarchy or kleptocratic dictatorship... That's not even close to a hard question to answer.

Mcconnell has given up his attempts at blocking the removal of the filibuster. This is a pretty big deal.

Oligarchy, as in the Bush or Clintons.

Dictatorship, as in a newly elected president with no fanfare, only troops to protect the inauguration.

Trumps dictatorship? As in not being penalized for NOT having health insurance? No wars started. Middle east peace plan.

The only thing kleptocratic were the 2020 election results for a corpose who didnt campaign

Six of Heaven's Gate in one hand, a half dozen of Jim Jones in the other. Y'all are a suicide cult on a longer timeline.

We're just going to pretend Trump didn't try to kill Congress and the Vice President. Flynn's brother in the army totally didn't involve himself preventing national guard deployment at the Capitol at a pivotal time. Can't forget Trump trying to push out everyone at the top of the DOJ in the final days as he hunted down an acting ag willing to hand him the election.

$15/hour by 2025 is too late and too little. Leave it to Democrats to gain overwhelming power and use it drop crumbs from on high.

leftists on a car forum focused on high power gasoline engines. Oh the irony. Hey mods, can we get an EV forum section for all of them? I got a real bad feeling about this presidency and ICE. Not good for our hobby and passion, at all....

A whole as non sequitur

https://media1.tenor.com/images/378a...itemid=5850917

killburn, do you even have a job? how do you have so much time to post? dude has to live at home


i agree........... first month and he's kickin the pipeline (and the jobs) to the curb. real smart, right?

You're thinking micro, when climate change is macro.

Bulk carriers put out appx 440mm metric tons of CO2/year. Container ships put out 140mm metric tons of CO2/year.

My truck, if driven the US average of 13,500 miles, puts out 5.25 metric tons of CO2/year using the number of 243g/km given by the manufacturer in Australia.

Bulk carriers put out appx 83.8 million times my truck's emissions, and container ships put out 26.6 million times my trucks' emissions. There are approximately 273.6 million cars in the United States.

The total output of all the cars in the US, assuming the average is equal to that of my diesel Colorado, is equal to 10.29 container ships or 3.26 bulk carriers.

So, I guess, our cars are pretty small potatoes in the overall scheme of things. The reason why they're a hill politicians are willing to die on is multitudinous, but it's easier to blame cars and force emissions regulations or widespread sale of electric cars than it is to better our transportation infrastructure or revamp cities to better work without cars while increasing population density without increasing crime and decreasing quality of life.

This is not taking into account the human cost of particulate emissions and noxious gases, by the way- its only purpose is to point out how myopic your view is.

TL;DR: Just because Reddit told you PLTR is where the tendies are doesn't mean you've done your due diligence.

Goes on rant finally acknowledging cars are not the source of "global climate change" but then goes back to focusing on eliminating cars as the solution.

For fuck sake.

World's largest 12 container ships make more pollution then all the cars in the world.

Eliminate 12 fucking container ships we'll have an immediate positive global impact - unlike mass transit systems or electric cars which are only moving the problem put of sight.

Going electric just means further expanding modern global slavery, enriching despots and dictator and off shoring our pollution.

So again, - you acknowledge global shipping is an issue, but then apposed the only guy in 40 years to do fuck about out sourcing labor and production to the modern slave fields of China and trying to reduce the amount of shipping bringing garbage into the US.

Hey Killbum, if you were a freeman up in New York in 1850, would you wear a cotton shirt made by a slave down in Alabama?

If you were a free German in 1943, would buy a gold watch stolen from a dead jew?

So why you rocking those Nike's?

Meanwhile, the virtue signaling twats are hard at it again....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/busin...rnd/index.html

https://youtu.be/5e_LrAILInk


Good work Team Biden. Screw over those dirty Native Americans, Blue Collar Americans and the Unions.

What do you mean "finally"? Personal cars have always been the pollution scapegoat. Here in the Central Valley our air quality issues are entirely based on dumbass industrial ag practices the farmers refuse to move on from, just like the water issues.


P.S.
I have never worn nikes. Nice racism though.

president killburn is double bagging and double masking folks

It is amazing how political the pipeline has become.

I spent some time trying to find out if it is a good or bad thing, and honestly it is hard to tell with the spin from sources on it.

Against it
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline


Appearing to be non bias

Old source appears unbias but info is outdated, intereesting though it brought up Texas property rights. That is something I had not seen before. Some parts of the pipeline would require people to give up their property
https://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/ta...e-xl-pipeline/

Regarding the jobs this article suggest most of the jobs would be temporary and after its construction there would be 35-50 permanent jobs to maintain the pipeline
https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ck/6673822002/


For the pipeline, though noted using data from the the Keystone xl website
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...ne-xl-pipeline
For it
Another one, saying how biden is hurting unions as people had jobs lined up that he killed
https://redstate.com/jenniferoo/2021...lation-n314357


Interesting article that shows people who are both for and against it
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55816229

I have spent quite some time reading on this. My conclusion is there is no perfect answer.

Conservatives love to scream jobs jobs jobs, but ignore the fact that it affects farmers and their land rights too. Not to many native american land, the potential for pollution (not climate) is a real concern for people. Especially when the pipe inevitable leaks.

Lefties love to scream climate despite the fact it is report the pipeline would not have that great of an impact on climate. lefties also ignore the fact that if even temporary tends of thousands of people are now out of work. a job for a year or two is still a job.

My personal opinion after researching on it. I think we should build it.

However, perhaps we can try an reroute it a bit, to reduce the amount of land that has to be taken from farmers or greatly compensate them if that cannot be done. Meetings should be held with the native americans who have concerns about their land and special teams put in place to put extra care and maintenance in those particular sections of the pipe line which could lead to more job increases for the needed security.

Lulz

I remember when conservative news was defending hydroxy and no one had a word to say when Trump still caught the shit.

https://www.readfrontier.org/stories...xychloroquine/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3ge...spiracy-theory

This is one of those articles I instantly raised an eyebrow to as it is vice, however, upon reading it, they literally have the tweets embedded. Her only defense was "it was my team". Sure, sure, classic shaggy defense.

Not sure what the problem is. NYC was stockpiling CPAPs...

Trump got Covid and was back to work in like 3 days.


Should have reiterated thr fact that this is a bullshit pandemic. +70 year old unhealthy overweight dude with high stress job gets covid, recovers just fine.

In other news, Biden has already killed 23,000 Americans as I post this. Clearly he doesn't care about all the Americans his administration has killed.

https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/b...death-tracker/

Guy gets given expensive and dangerous therapy usually reserved for those at risk of sudden death anyway. His recovery is entirely down to the amount of money and attention afforded by the presidency.

But you know that and you're just being an asshole about it. Trump lost months ago, we're talking about current events now.

Hm one of those does not match the other. Thanks to the "bullshit" pandemic, my spouse just lost a very close family member last week who was in her 40's to covid.

Correction:

Covid has kill 23k Americans.

Biden has inherited Trump's handling of it good or bad. The same amount of people would have died in the last few days regardless of who is in office.

What matters is what actions he takes to curb it.
such as
https://www.npr.org/sections/preside...19-vaccine-dos

However, a president has only so much power.
https://missoulacurrent.com/business...covid-vaccine/

But yes big bad biden cares nothing for these people just because they died while he was in office.

Better go double mask then, make sure you are 2x safe.

It's actually more like 4 to 8 times safe if they both fit well.

Don't most people live at their home? :ugh:

Just because it's not the largest problem doesn't mean it can't be improved...

Read the title and instantly thought I opened an Onion article. Coconut water tastes like gooch sweat anyway, good riddance.

Car's aren't the solution to climate change, but cars are a problem. You're, frankly, a buffoon if you refuse to believe that vehicle particulate emissions aren't a problem. No one on here puts 30k mi/yr on their 400whp, decatted, SR'd car- and I'm a proponent of losing 10whp to run a cat anyway. My track car, whenever I finish it, will have a cat.

I know you're all about the American Dream TM, but we talked about this before and you danced around the points I made. If we can move people closer to their jobs while increasing their quality of life, why wouldn't we? Instead of sitting in their cars in traffic, they could be walking with their children. Instead of inner-city kids growing up with developmental problems and asthma, they could be growing up with parents who have more disposable income (which would decrease the number of children going without food, which increases the number of children who progress in school rather than having cognitive and behavioral issues) while breathing cleaner air.

Do you think that because I think Trump was an ignorant, pig-headed ass, I'm automatically opposed to literally everything he did? No, I'm opposed to everything he did because it wasn't fully fleshed-out.

Tariffs are regressive, have always been regressive, and as such always hit the poor and middle-class the hardest.

Manufacturing sector growth needed to be targeted- it wasn't. Cars? Farm equipment? Defense manufacturing? We need to move consumer goods back here without increasing cost- no small feat given that we're competing with an economic superpower that has better backing for small manufacturers, has incredibly low raw materials cost due to subsidization and lack of environmental concerns, and subsidizes shipping to the point it's almost free. AI and automation are eating manufacturing jobs, so even if we do move manufacturing home, we're never going to see the same workforce participation we once did... again shifting the momentum toward a service economy.

Yes, battery tech is still in its infancy and yes, lithium mining is environmentally catastrophic. However, some of the biggest potential mines in the world are in Australia (which housed 60% of the lithium production in 2018), Canada, and the United States- with fairly robust environmental safety systems in place. I know there's a European lithium concern that will be mining in Europe, with rapid and efficient transportation pipelines to European manufacturing. Speaking of despots and dictators, that's xenophobia writ large- Chile is one of the most stable democracies in South America, and Argentina is also a democratic constitutional republic that has been stamping out corruption actively and quickly.

What a riveting counter point. :goyou:

you speak like an economist, always tossing out figures. put aside the mining, you switch people over to increased load on the electrical system which is already overwhelmed and now we're pushing for more nuclear. you can wipe your ass with wind and solar, the shit just doesnt cut the mustard

smaller more efficient cars/engines, thats the solution. but people refuse to compromise. this is one of the reason people are attracted like moths to the flame with tesla, you get great performance with no immediately visible compromise. they dont know OR care where the power comes from, or where the pollution goes as long as its not in plain sight. just like overseas manufacturing, give us our goods and fuck the slaves who have to manufacture it.

so yes, the tariffs made sense if you're trying to bring back work and manufacturing here.

oh quit being a cock sucker, you know what i meant.

No, Explain the whole comment for us. Spell it out.

more nuclear would be fantastic. Even the most recent nuclear facility in the US (Vogtle unit 3 began construction in 2012) was designed a over a decade ago. Most nukes in the US were designed before I was born (with few exceptions like Diablo Canyon and San-O).

Newer thorium based fuels shit allllllll over uranium based fuels, and will even see great benefit in molten salt reactors.

Except the Eco-Terrorists will never allow it. Watch to Many Godzilla movies they have. I'm sure HBO's Chrynobel did nothing to help.

Yeah, we've beaten this to death.

To summarize:

You want to legislate away free choice and force us into distopian megacities so we are completely trapped and 100% reliant on the government/corporations for housing, transportation, healthcare and work.

You believe this because:

Single Family Homes are to expensive
Single Family Homes are wasteful (energy and space)
Single Family Homes are to spread out making mass transit impossible, thus encourage private vehicle ownership.
Suburbs are Racist and Evil

You are also one of those crying about the corporations, corrupt politicians , etc.

Yet - you now want to trap people in massive high rises with no hope of ever escaping their landlords and neighbors. You want to strip them of private transportation ensuring their lives shrink to a 3 block radius or they are forever on someone else's schedule. You want to ensure wages and opportunities are eliminated, since once you can't leave, you become a defacto Serf - aka Land Slave. All the while expanding the power and control of the Political and Corporate classes that will run these megacities.

It's ironic because you claim "how can people live" highlighting the failures of the west coast. I post up examples of how to make a living once you abandon the insanely overpriced, corrupt, poorly run west coast shit hole cities - and then you counter with "yeah well how can someone with no car and $400 move to Nebraska"...

That's exactly what you want for all of us.

The eco authoritarians can eat a dick. Nuclear is the only future we currently have. Thorium powered container ships would nearly end global warming by themselves. This is something the navy has been looking into for years but with little support. Imagine a fighting force that never has to port for fuel and water.

Figures matter. Without figures, you have no point of reference. Metrics and KPI can be applied to nearly everything. If I say "we're up YoY," I might be referencing 0.001% or 100%.

We were talking about lithium production; if you want to bring up power production, which you're correct about having to be addressed at some point, you're correct that our outdated infrastructure and generation capabilities need upgrading.

I agree about nuclear power. My town used to get our power from San Onofre until Mitsubishi fucked the dog on QC. Combine nuclear power with fairly wide-spread adoption of something similar to Tesla's Powerwall, by which you can equalize grid utilization and reduce the peak strains to mitigate issues caused by charging mass numbers of electric cars.

Smaller, more-efficient cars would be a step in the right direction- provided that the government and/or automakers put Gasoline Particulate Filters on direct-injected gasoline-powered cars. Otherwise, particulate emissions will continue to have deleterious effects on people located near highways and in basins with low air exchange rates. The particulate emissions also cause issues with groundwater pollution, the long-term effects of which we're still not entirely certain.

There's a few technologies coming up that would be city block/neighborhood scale batteries that help solve the issues with the timing of solar and wind. There's still generation problems that will never be solved under the current paradigm. We need a retirement date on natural gas and coal. Just like the covid vaccines, technology has a way of showing up when it's necessary.

particulates are a non issue. adding filters on diesels (or gas?) is a joke, its just another money maker for manufacturers and more bullshit regulation. tell me how your fancy numbers and metrics work when your nuclear casks at san onofre are enjoying a beach front view with no where to go. that nuclear waste is here to stay. you'll be dead before its dealt with. dont believe me? the SSFL in southern california has been unable to figure out what to do with the nuclear contamination at that facility for over 50 years. any research you do shows that each gov agency is just as corrupt as the next. in the meantime, people think LA is a great place to live. yeah right, its a toxic mess.

the only solution is americans, or better yet humans, need to dial back our consumption with everything we do. thats the ONLY solution because WE are the problem.

man does not have the intelligence NOR capacity to safely harness nuclear power. shit, killburn doesnt even have the ability to make a valid point half the time. haha

Particulates are an issue. A simple search on your favorite search engine will teach you the error of your ways quickly- this isn't something you can just feel. Remember the term "facts don't care about your feelings?" This is one of those instances.

I thought you were advocating for nuclear power, not against. I am in favor of. If you don't think solar, wind, or nuclear can provide for our power needs, then you're thinking like a nihilist with similar outcome guaranteed.

'Kay.

PS- Do you know why I'm an ass to you? Because you're a read-between-the-lines, put words in peoples' mouths, make an assumption about someone and stick with it, closed-minded wet fart.

If only like a virus happened that would help cull the herd...

Imagine what would happen to property prices in LA if like 10% of everyone just *poof*.

But noooooo.....

What these idiots don't realize is this shit fixes itself faster, organically, without government intervention.

Europe and USA have declining birthrates... Why? Because people realized they'd rather go to Cancun then have 6 kids. Additionally they didn't need the child labor, elderly care nor fear a 80% mortality rate before 12 years of age.

Eventually South America, India, China, the Middle East and Africa will realize this when they want to have nice things.

Pollution, once you economically can enjoy life and plant to live past 50, you kinda naturally start caring. Just look at all the western Planeteers pissing selves and compare that to the 3rd world's no fucks given.

So what I'm saying is, we need to crush the CPP and put Africa and South America under Technocratic Rule.

India is on a good path, but it's along one because of that pesky Democracy garbage.

You know how you decrease birthrates in a positive way? You're going to love this.

Better pay, free education, access to healthcare, and equal rights. All the places with shrinking birthrates treat women, children, and minorities with respect and decency.

P.S.
Africa and South have had more than enough intervention from white people. They need their sovereignty respected first and foremost.