my vq35 s14 swap thread pic hevy
 

so i posted a new thread on another forum without much interest. im looking for a 240sx forum that stays pretty active maybe this one?

hi guys, i thought id go ahead and start my build thread up. i just got the shell yesterday. anybody need any parts? its a 95 se/le model thats been sitting for quite some time im hoping to show how reasonable this swap can be done including my gas bill (lol)

im usually a 3000gt guy myself but always wanted a 350z, as i stated im not exactly rolling in dough so i have to make due with what i got. ill keep a running tally of everything i buy rounded up to the nearest $10.

so how about some pictures? sorry there huge but im blind
taken yesterday, had a time getting her home (litterlly 4 blocks)
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0320180235.jpg
saleens sitting pretty flush i may keep them on the car.
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0320181020.jpg


and how about my current vr4? just to do it.
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totals:
shell: $500
short shifter: $30
engine, trans, and ecu: $1000
headers: $80
mas: $40
3.5" intake: $60
mount kit and oil pan: $700
gas pedal, obdii port, yoke: $80
custom drive shaft:$350
custom true dual exhaust:$450
radiator: $190
cooling fan:$40
nats removal and base tune:$360

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$3880


subtractions:
misc 240stuff: $40
ebay sells: $300
240 trans: $150
ecu:$35
more 240 stuff:$190



special thanks to:

corey s.: for keeping me sane through all the technical b.s.
clyde t.: for saying go caurbarated
weldon b.: for trying his hardest to figure out what my secret project is
cody b.: for helping me work on it when he had absolutely nothing better to do
derrick ?: for selling me the car at a great price and working with me
matt ?: for giving me a deal on the engine and trans
ebay: buying and selling made pretty easy
brennan b. for selling me his old mount kit and working with me.
craigslist: for all those creepy calls and txts i got at all times of the night (really you need a trans at 4a.m.)

Good luck with the swap. Hope all go's well.

How much do you initially expect this to cost?

Btw you should change your title. Its not pic heavy.............yet lol.

lol pics are on the way, im picking up the engine and trans this week ($1000). ill have $1530 invested then. im buying a swap kit off another user($700) im doing all the wiring myself. $250 to have it flash tuned and nats removed at national speed. any of the stock parts that i sell off the car subtracts from my totals and im getting a fre other misc parts. im looking to have less than $2500 id i break $2200 ill be supprised :naughtyd:

What year vq and from were. Any boost going to be added? Just asking

a friend of mine that wrecked his z it was on 04, boost is probably gonna happen next year i will be running e85 however. i love that stuff!

Yeah e85 is the SHIT. Especially for turbo applications.

That's a badass deal on the vq w/ trans. Damn.

thanks man, i ran it in my base 3000gt and never looked back. it smells great, it loves timing, and the initial 20lb/f of tq rocks.

Hi guys my name is Peter and I'm from San Jose, CA. I own a 1990 S13 Coupe. I'm a poor college student who just jumped onto the 240sx bandwagon but 240s have always had a special place in my heart since about 1 month ago.

ummmthanks for honoring my thread with your first post? :snoop::goyou:

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no real updates washed the dirty old thing, should be getting the engine this week though.

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0322193925.jpg

looking through paint and i think i have my color picked out.
Danube Blue
http://www.3si.org/wiki/images/e/e8/Taz122010_tn.jpg

yea its a 3000gt color but you have to admit its sexy!

ok?????? lol hi
:hyper:

lol thats exactly what i was thinking! i was like just go with it

Oh man that was too funny.

small update, got my short throw in.

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0326163709.jpg

factory butt plug fits too
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sup vq brother
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hey bro...have fun..the torque is awesome!! i myself is vq35 block on vq30 heads, running m maxima harness( easier and non of that Bullshit drive by wire stuff.) and ecu. oh yeah, single turbo set up + 6 speed.


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don't forget to mention that you are also running vq30 timing gear

but of course! i have no vtc. these are in the top 10 greatest motors list. so YUP!

theres so much interchangability between all these motors.

titangts looks like you have alot of fab work to get those manifolds working or are those stock vq30 manis?

no real updates yet, weather has absolutely sucked. i am going to pick the engine up this saturday, lots of pictures to come.

thats a custom manifold, the vq30det has the throttle body pointing the other way.

how about the exhaust manifolds?

looks like the factory vq30det manifold, but i could be wrong. it definitely does look like the factory log style manifold

Be interesting to see how yours turns out, I'm rocking a 93 coupe with a '04 vq also. Been driving it daily and track for almost a year now and have been happy with the reliability, millage and performance. Been thinking of a rear mount turbo one day but cams would be about perfect for power upgrades.
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KansaiDrifter: that is one clean engine bay! if you dont mind me asking who did all of your wiring, i kinda need a cheat sheet on what wires i need to splice with my vq and s14 harness.
MEGA UPDATE!!!!!
i picked up my engine, trans, ecu, and harness today! it was dark when i got home so ill get some pics up asap tomorrow.

here it is!!
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...4-02175248.jpg
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im going to answer a few questions now, yes i live in the south. yes i live on a farm. and yes that is a tractor.
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and now for the carnage!!
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Dude where you get that Mountain Dew can??? Ive been lookin for one of those lol jk
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pictures are up, and more parts ordered today.

upper oilpan is cheap to get new from the dealership or on ebay so that snot a big deal

The guy im buying my mount kit from is selling me the upper, lower, and y33 mounts. Just confirming will those work?

I dunno about that. it would be sick if it was just a drop in with Y33 mounts to a stock 240sx cross member. do is the mount kit new engine brackets and transmission crossmember? McKinney makes a good kit just FYI

Its actually a custom crossmember trans mount and shifter bracket. I saw the mckeny kit the other day. But I've commuted to buying this one. Its just one of the things about me, if I find something cheaper and I commit to buy tue same thing from someone else im not going to go under them just to save a few bucks.

No huge vq related updates im going to try to stick to just that. At the same time I can't leave you hanging.

I removed the dirty seats, beat up dash, and carpet. Ran the wires for my system and battery relocation.

Stay tuned for more.

Engine mounts and tranny mounts are easy to fab... the shifter relocater is a little trickier... I would be Austins shifter relocater if I could do it all over again... vq240z.com or something like that.

If you need an ECU, LMK, I have an extra left over from my swap. 04 6speed base. Will sell it to you for 100$ + ship, which exactly what I paid for it.

Will also be glad to offer any help with wiring. I used reflashed ECU with modified stock wiring.

update!! parts in yesterday, anyone have any idea how much of a restriction the stock mas is?
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0410123716.jpg
i think i'm gonna go with something a little bigger.....

and the headers.
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ebay headers turnd out to be ebay headaches.... i have to enlarge the holes to make them clear.... the swap however is moving on. i am playing around with wiring tonight. any tips?


03 vq35 right.......95obdi s14 left.
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...4-12215645.jpg

i have pinouts for the ecu's but i also want my body to work... id better take some ibuprofen now.

feel free to help out ;)

if you are going to have a flashed ecu, you will need only the gas pedal plug, and the OBDII plug from the 350z dash harness, and the F8, and the wiper plug from the s14 harness.

once you have those plugs, and the pinouts it shouldn't be that bad

ALSO, the stock maf is pretty good, so there isn't really a need to upgrade it at all

+1

and also, dont expect your guages to work. you can wire in your tack, but as for the speedo... that is a lil tricky. can always modify an ABS sensor to send a signal to your speedo. that is how i am doing it. i have the J30 diff with the ABS sensor so im putting it to use.

yeah, you are going to need to put in a 1 wire 240sx coolant temp sensor some where for the water temp to work. which means you are going to need that plug off your harness as well.
for the tachometer to work you can either adjust the voltage impute like they do with rb swaps, or you can get a dakota digital tach signal converter.
for the speed signal you get the J30 diff and the dakota digital abs->speed signal converter
it HAS to be an abs diff with a signal on the nose cone. or the impute shaft

My car already has abs so do I still need the diff? How about all my inside lights ect ect. This is my first time going this deep in a harness.

Also I plan on using the dekota digital spedo adapter. I've already ordered a 3.5" maf housing and pipeing so im just gonna use it lol.

if your car has an abs sensor on the output shaft to the axles you can use that, but other people have had great success using the J30 diff and the nose cone sensor.

also, wait to put on the maf housing till you can get it dyno tuned, otherwise it won't work as well.

updates i got more stuff in today, i like to think usps, ups, and fed ex race to my house. here is the maf housing and intake pipe im useing. 3.5" im going to be doing a flash tune from uprev. so ill mention the 3.5" to them as well.

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...4-20114204.jpg
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SWAP RELATED UPDATE!!


finally getting around to hacking up my harness. so far i removed the f4 and abs related end of my harness. id recommend just trying to get a s14 without abs this has been one of my biggest concerns.

here is what i have for the night.
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...4-24195631.jpg


im useing this guide as a guidline for the f4 plug:
http://media.sxoc.com/contributors/s...S14_Jan_10.pdf

3.5" intake manifold into a 3" intake? Seems counter intuitive to me... and it will also throw the maf out of wack...

And your engine harness should have little to do with your body accessories working... Start with the circuit diagram in the EC section and highlight any sensor that needs power supplied. Then, find a DTC related to that sensor to find wiring diagram and where to pick up wires. You shouldn't have to hack up the vq harness at all, just splice into the connectors (3 or 4?) near the ECM.

Yea the fact that I cut into it today put it alot more into perspective than I thought. But I have to get a flash tune anyway witch will lead to a dynotune in the near future I just figured id add that I have all the mods that I have done for the flash tune.

After seeing how the abs works has me alot more confident in this swap as well. I just need to do like you said and take it one plug at a time

huge update!

my mount kit is officially ordered! hopefully it will be in this week. im now in the middle of wiring up my stuff.

EXPECT A FULL WRIGHTUP ive looked around too much and i think its rediculous that places charge $900+ just to wire a few things up. consider this to be my gift for advancing the platform.

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0502155421.jpg

finally some one willing to give out the info

im more than willing, poor boys like me cant afford that and want a cool car. so im going to help any way i can.

03 and obdi 95.... i think you info will help me out greatly *EVIL GRIN*

Thanks.... For the much needed info

were doing the same swap lol. no worries more info to come

Well guys I've been on it about 4 hours and I've gotten everything labled! Ill be soldering everything and making a writeup Wendsday

the actual wiring job is actually only about 400. the other 500 goes to uprev tuning and nats removal. and if you go to their web page, you will see that it is indeed $500.

still i could see spending $400 on a custom harness... but if im sending them something that i can do my self its a bit of a kick in the ass. i really couldn't see spending more than $200 for a service that i can do myself. i spent months trying to find a way to wire this up and its like a big secret. i can look up swapping any other motor into the s14 chassis and find a full wright up. so i guess its just my turn to help out.

I paid $300 for the ecu service, and yeah considering its like 12 wires all together you are paying like $33 bucks a wire, or if it takes the shop half and hour then you are paying $800 an hour to wire it up...

I'm glad to hear someone is going to do I write up on the wiring... I've threatend to several times but as easy as it may be, to do a proper write up will take time... I didnt want to half ass it..

You could also save money making mounts... I spent ~30$ on steel to fab my tranny/engine mounts. Tools will costs you though if you don't have what you need... welder, bandsaw, and drill press and you're set. Shoot, with the cost of mounts, you spend alittle more and cover the costs of tools...

Now man up and try something challenging :)
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That is a challenge that's why I picked the 03 engine and ecu lol. I just wish I had something to go by. I may get you to proof read my rough draft when I get done incase I made any errors haha. Would you be interested in that?

thats why I asked if I could test it first ;-) if I can't follow it.. then you would def need to rewrite it LOL!

Write up FTW! Really looking forward to that.

Thanks ahead of time!

im really lookin forward to the rest of this build.

I have a few questions though about the nats system. I read it wont deliver ground to the starter to start or start fuel pump or deliver power to injectors if it isnt removed or you dont have the whole nats system with key and everything. Now could i not just redo parts of the harness and hardwire injector 12v, hardwire fuel pump and hardwire the starter? i want to do a painless style chassis harness anyway and doing it this way wouldnt be to much work if hardwiring the parts i mentioned will successsfully remove the nats system.

You're not going to 'get around' nats. Either remove it with a flash, or transplant next to everything electrical from the donor vehicle... The computer has nothing to do with the starting system in regards to the starter. The computer tells igniters when to fire and injectors when to pulse... I don't think hardwiring everything is going to get you very far, but hey, go for it...

And ya, I wouldn't mind looking over something you draw up in regards to the wiring. Just make sure it works before you do a writeup so you have credability :)

I'm headed to my second autox event this weekend.. Can't wait... the way this thing pulls makes it all worth it. Several ride alongs said they couldn't believe the torque compared to an SR

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-TgFLPzzQ_l...0/DSC03356.jpg

Yeah a write up would be pretty cool to see, I had mine done by Zfever, thought about taking it apart and writing down what was done but never did yet lol. Might over this winter if I get to redo my bay.

Just won our first round of Grassroots Drift at Evergreen Speedway with my stock '04 VQ35DE in my 92' coupe. It ran great all day. I like it better from the sr because of the torque, and I like it better then the LS1 I had because of the lack of torque lol. The LS1 was way overkill for this track/my style. I drive it like a sr though. Could use a touch more power but I'm thinking of the 1/2" intake spacer and some longtubes down the road. Have fun with yours! Next "big thing" swap in my opinion.

Spent: you don't come up twords sc/nc for events do you? Yea im actually almost done with the wiring.....im still lacking the obdii port and gas pedal I plan on hitting up some of the local pull-a-parts this weekend if I can find time between working 3rd (that's what slows me down the most). I should have the ecu sent off for a flash and hopefully a drive shaft made any idea if any other yokes will work with the 350z trans?

Im doing part of my rough draft for the wiring tonight, if anyone wants to chime in on anything I may possiably overlook it be appreciated.

Here are some results.http://tapatalk.com/mu/cc744bd8-2c92-bcb3.jpg

My soldering iorn died 3 wires in. I don't plan on running a/c off the bat, I still have the fuel pump relay and start signal to go.

Legit! As! Fuck!

any local guys who may stumble across this i found a deal on craigslist
G35 Engine and Transmission
ANYandALL INFINITI G35 PARTS
2004 Infiniti G35 Engine and transmission

i haven't called any of them, but i bet you can get any of these for less than $1200

Driveshaft Specialist Inc

That's who did my driveshaft. I had them do an entire aluminum driveshaft for me. Just measured from yoke to yoke and they did the rest. It was one of the more expensive parts of my swap, but I didn't want to ghetto rig something togethor mating stock driveshafts. They will also sell you the yoke seperately. I don't know if the yoke is used for other nissan apps or something, but it runs VERY close to the shifter, as if it wasn't taken into account when made... mine barely clears. Mckinney also sells yokes but Driveshaft specialists prices were like a third of Mckinneys...

As far as events up toward the carolinas, I've just started doing SCCA events so I really haven't ventured far from where I am (Tallahassee, FL)... my first event was in S. Ga and I'm headed to AL this Sunday, then Jacksonville soon here too. Spent all this time building the car, now it's time to enjoy it :).

Glad to see you're coming along with the wiring, it looks like you are putting alot more time (rightfully so) than I did initially... I recently pulled mine apart and eliminated everything I didn't need and also eliminated the front crossover... looks much nicer...

Before...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DjqTd626YE...0/DSC03257.jpg

After...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0ye-sipnks...0/DSC03304.JPG

Wires from engine harness I removed...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iaPRYD8qml...0/DSC03306.JPG

Wires from engine bay/harness I removed...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nINcaMdPyl...0/DSC03307.JPG

I reused the stock fuse/relay box for all of my wiring, it is directly behind the center dash, where the heater core use to be...
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You can see the 350z pedal in the background... when you buy yours, just make sure you get the pigtail so you can splice it into the engine harness. The pedal literally bolts in place of the old 240sx pedal, just had to bend it up a tad.

Wow, now that pic reminds me of something.......

http://www.engineswaptech.com/photos.../original.aspx

My old S14 circa 2007.

Fred!: I've been trying to find you for. A while I tried to join engine swap tech with no luck. Id love to pick your brain a bit do make sure im on the right track if you don't mind.


^^ that was supposed to be a p.m. taptalk fail

Spent: that is one hell of a wire tuck lol.

Hopefully I can go ahead and Wright up my harness info just incase I miss something huge one of you gurus can catch it.

Fred, did you ever finish that VQ Subaru? I forgot

Hey guys, been out of the car scene for a while now, just been watching from the sidelines for a couple years :)

Back with a new coupe and an LS1 waiting on the garage floor though, will make a big post soon (still love the VQ swap though!)

Glad to help in any way I can but my wiring knowledge is pretty faded, been a long while since I even looked at a diagram.

The VQ WRX project never got off the ground, no money back then to pursue it but it was a good idea!

is there anything huge i need to look out for, if memory serves me right you ran a ms2 right?

no updates for today, i finally got around to taking some pictures of the interior.... at least whats left of it. enjoy

i was not happy to see the airbag deployed...
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hard to believe im going to turn this into something great lol.

My original setup was a front wheel drive VQ30DE running a ~95 Maxima ECU and harness. I should have stayed with that setup and got all the bugs worked out but I was having a persistent cyl 2 and 3 misfire that I just couldn't figure out. Right then I came across a killer deal on a FWD VQ35DE and tried to get it running on a 2002 Maxima ECU and harness but never got it to fire due to NATS system headaches. Lastly I switched that ECU to a MS2 setup running Ford EDIS ignition and finally got it running that way but never tuned. Shortly thereafter I got tired of being without a car for so long and parted it all out which I should have never done but hindsight is always 20/20 I guess!

What ever setup you go with I suggest a 350z oil pan and pick up tube, 350z rear coolant pipe and Z exhaust manifolds and intake manifold(if using 3.5L motor only) with manual throttle body from any vehicle, I used a Maxima one.

The easiest ECU to work with if using the VQ30DE will be the VQ30DE Maxima ECU, no security system to hassle with and easy to find harnesses to cut up.

Megasquirt is a long dark rabbit hole if you're new to custom ECUs as I was, I suggest avoiding standalones like the plague honestly although it's very capable among standalones.

If you're using a VQ35DE I suggest talking to Mark from Florida (PM me and I'll get you his contact info if you don't already know him) he helped me out tremendously on my project and was the authority at the time on working with NATS systems and VQ harnesses. Not sure if he's still into it but maybe.

Also, I'd look into the later 350z exhaust manifolds they are tubular like aftermarket headers and might clear the steering shaft.

Lastly, although I started this off with FWD VQ's and it can be a lot cheaper to do that, it's a lot more work and hassle to to do it that way and if you don't have any hookups at the salvage yard for example, it might not save you any money.

(A lot of that won't apply to your project in particular probably but I just felt like rambling :)


Fred

props for the rewire you got balls man

Fred: feel free to ramble a little im super guilty of it. I got a great deal on my 03 setup so im just gonna wing it for now. A little desire and knowledge goes a long way.

Rockkn: it comes naturally I've always loved a challenge and never had much money. If I can help a few guys along the way its worth it.

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Wiring is stupid easy, if u guys need any help pm me

nice build and write up!

Hey look another update!!

hey guys, havnt made any more progress on the wiring due to lack of gas pedal and obdii port. i have been at the pull a part all day and i did pick up something pretty cool.
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0510245300.jpg
i like the idea of having projectors, picked them up for a cool $40!

when i got back home something else cool was waiting on my steps.
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0510245421.jpg
got my mount kit too...one delima i thought it was coming with a k-member..... looks like i have a few emails to send.

here is my new slightly used oil pan too!
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0510012800.jpg

so what do you guys think of the j30 lights? hopefully ill her something back from my mount kit guy so i can get this on the ball.

Hey look another update!

a day late but not a dollar short. the rest of my mount kit came in and its as if the heavans are shining down on it!
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0510133252.jpg
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0510133313.jpg
anyone care to guess what im getting started on tomorrow?

sup man. i sure will. i'm tryn to do a vq35hr swap on my s13 coupe.thanks

looks like u gonna have some fun. fun day tomorrow.

Yep! Expect a heap of pictures. As soon as I get my obdii port and gas pedal you guys will have a wrightup on the wiring

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yea thanks bro. i can't wait to sart on mines. but i still need to find a 6spd tranny

Fred you're still alive? Hahaha. Good to see you in this thread.

Yeah I've found that if you can wait for a good deal, you can snag a RWD swap for as cheap as it would cost to put together all the FWD/RWD components.

I need to get on my swap, I've been slacking and poor, hahaha.

got the kmember in today, had alot of holdups. i would have gotten the engine in but my mounts didn't come with nuts....... go fighure. monday is another day. forcast is for showers here in sc. perfect for getting some stuff done i hope.

the only picture i managed to squeeze off sucks. my photogropher baked out on me....
http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p...0511223440.jpg

i snapped a few of my cousin turning some wrenches too.
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The money shot, clean k-member greasy engine bay. Ill probably pressure wash it tomorrow.
http://tapatalk.com/mu/cc744bd8-325d-f2b4.jpg

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Nice S14+VQ I'm in for the info.