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Project z31 Z432 N/A RB swap
Hello everyone. New member but long time project car builder. I started with Nissan having owned a few Maxima’s and pathfinders early on in my driving. The first real project was an S14 Silvia conversion I did back in 02-03 with a good friend of mine. Then I switched to BMW which has been my main focus for the last 10 years other than the 72 510 I also built.
For the last few years, I have been bitten by the Z31 bug. Which is quite odd considering that I used to despise them. My dad is a huge Z fanatic and owns 5 immaculate S30 240z’s and a non turbo Z32 300zx. I had always wanted to join the Z family with him but the S30’s are just too pricey and I never really got into the Z32 much. I started realistically searching for Z31’s about 2 years ago and got serious late last year. My original goal was to build an L28 monster 3.2L. But I quickly realized I would have at least $15k in the engine I wanted to build. I started to think about RB’s instead and took a trip to see my friends at Japan Parts Service. They didn’t have any RBTT’s but they did happen to have an RB25de with magnificent looking equal length long tube headers. It was at that moment I had the vision for my final car. Even without a car, I purchased the RB25de, RB26 valve/coil covers, a Z31 5 speed and an RB bell housing on the spot from Japan Parts Service. I then started to source out all the parts for the build. Raw Brokerage has been my biggest source of parts thus far. I picked up a brand new Nissan RB26dett head, Tomei 272 10.25 cams, Tomei solid lifters, Tomei berrylium copper valve seal rings, Supertech +1 intake and exhaust valves, Supertech guides, Supertech 243lb dual valve springs with seats, seals and Ti retainers. I also got a set of used RB26 ITB’s which I am sending out to EFI hardware to get opened up from 45mm to 49mm. Ordered an RB Z31 oil pan from Enjuku racing. My machinist currently has the head and all Tomei gaskets. He is going to clearance the head for the big cams, weld material in the combustion chamber to reshape and unshroud the valves as well as a port and polish. All on the flow bench. He will also port the intake plenum to match the enlarged throttle bodies. The RB25 block will be bored to 87mm and I will be using a Nitto forged stroker crank, light weight H beam rods and custom made high compression 11.2:1 pistons. With stand alone, the goal is 300 RWHP with 10k redline. I had been daily searching for a car and was dead set on an 86 because I love the fenders of the 87-89 but hate the tail lights. About 10 months ago, I found my ideal car, an 86 auto standard spec with 56k miles. But the price was too high. The day they dropped the price by $2k, I jumped on it and had it shipped to me 2 days later. I have begun dismantling it and will strip it down to a bare shell with all glass out for a full re-spray to Nissan Safari gold 920. I will also be badging this car as a Z432 and purchased 3 NOS S30 fairlady Z emblems and was given an uber rare NOS Z432 emblem. For the car itself, I bought 87-89 side skirts with brackets, 87-89 front bumper and hood, grey front windshield trim, new T tops with grey trim, new mirror seals and a new Shiro Special front spoiler. For the suspension etc, I purchased the mounts to allow me to install an S14 rear subframe into this car. I will continue to update as I go and probably left some stuff out since I just joined but have been diligently working on acquiring parts for the last few months. Lastly, if anyone wants an RB25de head, intake manifold and crank/rods/pistons cheap, let me know! https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4587/2...a9b48c3e_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4510/2...5d43c64b_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4449/2...f8f3ff05_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4468/3...9f9ee714_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4487/3...6e582cf2_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4510/3...ccbd2e0e_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4553/3...cc945a32_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4576/2...75d72a1b_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4567/2...e2f88f60_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4516/2...7b3255a5_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4525/3...28b23a83_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4521/2...23023eaa_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4570/3...d43cc883_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4552/2...93a4bf00_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4586/2...b986a715_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4571/3...2cb91145_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4571/2...20ba87b9_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4571/3...003782ed_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4581/3...5ccb2341_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4516/2...fe2371c1_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4679/3...0b66d0c4_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4578/2...a8205d0d_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4683/2...edaabaff_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4585/3...a21dbfee_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4727/2...f1020925_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4633/3...d29ea00c_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4588/3...14bb85cf_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4727/3...05cb3394_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4645/3...149af9e0_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4635/2...dc5e9a6b_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4680/3...1ae54113_b.jpg |
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Does anyone know why I cannot view my original post in here? When I hover over the title, I see some of the text but when I click on the thread, it's empty. It was approved by a mod and I would assume might take a bit to show up but I saw it once in full and have never experienced anything like this in any of the other forums I am a member of. Thanks in advance.
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We can see it now! man that car looks like it was locked away in a shed. Cant wait to see this! Sub'd!
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Thanks!! I've never been more excited about a project. Even more so than my LSx 427 swapped e39 touring that I sold in 2016 and my current supercharged s62 e38.
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I should also mention that I am on the hunt for an s14 rear subframe and it seems I am not yet able to post in classifieds.
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Might need higher comp pistons to hit that 300whp mark i believe sung kangs car had 12.5:1 ratio pistons and it barely made 320BHP. Good luck, power to you to end up going NA RB route! At 10k might want to look at a Dry sump and a higher pressure oil pump tomei, greddy, etc. or even a accusump system.....
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I talked with Raw Brokerage about that. I wanted to go 12:1 but I want to run pump gas. Might do a dual tune with stand alone. Apparently Fugu Z is still running the 2.6 crank and rods with high comp pistons and is tuned for CA using Greddy e-manage. But we will see. They seem to think I will hit a higher hp goal than he did. I know it's a stretch and previous experience has taught me that you almost never reach your original hp goals. Will definitely go with a high pressure pump but unlikely to go dry sump. I don't plan to hit 10k often and certainly not through hard turns.
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Dang dude, this is going to be sweet. Will be following for sure!
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This build has a lot of potential! Can’t wait to see where this goes.
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Sub'd for 80s awesomeness.
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Thanks, everyone!!
Clean underside. I bought NOS T tops mostly because I want grey trim. Was hoping the Z32 headlight might actually fit since the recess shape is the same but it's too big. Could probably make it work but it would likely look odd. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4729/3...d1639cb7_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4611/3...002a03d6_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4625/3...a9f92230_b.jpg |
I pulled one of the quarter windows. I talked with the guy doing paint/body and the plan is to ditch the trim by welding in more metal around the glass and using a stronger bonding agent to glue the glass back in. Which would look just like this rendering.
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A z31 with an n/a rb swap that so far looks clean, ha? Interedesting... Go on.
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build looks rad
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my boner has risen!!
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Daily drive a 86’ in the summer months, same colour, 5 speed and the dreaded digital dash. Props for doing a build on one of these. Subbed..
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Thanks! Painter said no problem on the quarter windows. I plan to have it ready for him in 2-3 months. The guy who did the render also tried it in white and Datsun 104 Cactus green. Even though I am still 99% set on safari gold. It's just that my wife isn't a big fan. Even though she has accepted it.. To her, it's still urine or baby shit yellow lol.
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I just noticed, it shows no rear bumper on those drawings. What do you have planned for that?
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I liked it so much better in the rendering without a bumper that I plan to go with it and have the rear pan cleaned up and the holes welded. Then maybe a custom diffuser. We will see though. Need to see what it looks like in person without it.
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The little details that count. As much as I wanted to run a Tomei ornament plate, I just feel like the stock one will look better for my goal. More in line with the Z432 theme too.
I also went ahead and ordered a CF JDM style front spoiler yesterday as well since I really am torn on which I like better. Kind of silly to order both but I will see which one I like better in person and verify fitment then sell whichever I don't use. I got the last Shiro from JDM parts so didn't want to risk having that sold. I was amazed to find that Nissan still carries the windshield trim holder piece that goes around the perimeter and new clips. This will make me feel much better about pulling the front windshield. Trying to determine if the rear has one but I don't think it does. I plan on getting the VIS carbon fiber rear hatch and hood. Curious to get some of yalls thoughts on their stuff. I had a CF hood on my S14 back in 03 and it was pretty nice but that was 15 years ago! https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4674/3...1ec60471_b.jpg |
always liked z31's, this looks like its going to be an amazing build. Cant wait to see more.
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Man that little Datsun looks so good!!!:rawk::rawk::rawk::rawk:
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Thats crazy that you did that 7 Series, I remember reading about that and being in awe of the level of execution. This shit just got real:cool:
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That 510 is the tits.
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Hey man love the build, let me know if you need any parts! I am a sales rep at MSA
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Solid builds! :rawk:
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But let me know when you need more parts, email me: [email protected] |
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If you need anything, just email me or give us a call. If a part you want is available for a Z, we can get it. If it's not available for purchase, I can recommend some places to look. |
Any and all window/exterior rubber seals would be great. Honestly, I will pretty much buy up just about anything I can get. I daily search NOS, OEM new parts on eBay.
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Just email over a list of what you are looking for and I can keep an eye out. I know all of those pieces you just asked about are hard to find now a days! But, the Nissan dealer we use has access to the old parts catalogs so we can search for any numbers really. Just let me know on an email man!
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Will do, thanks!
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Brand new in the box NOS T top with new seals and the proper color trim I want to replicate on the rest of the car. Also pulled the other quarter window and got just about everything in the engine bay unhooked and ready to pull. Will probably do that tomorrow. The quarter window butyl seal had already melted in the past so I just had to remove the two 10mm nuts and pushed right out. One of the most common sources of water leaks. When the painter does the body work to remove the trim, he will bond them in with the same stuff used on windshields this time.
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Almost got the engine out but need to wait for a friend to lend me a hand. Kept the wiring harness connected and intact too!
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wow, you are my fucking hero, from euro to jap spec swaps, yep his cock is huuge!!!!
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Kouki front???
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Yeah I am going to install the Kouki hood, front bumper and lights.
My throttle bodies are in Australia and have been dismantled. They are supposed to send me some progress photos I hope. Should be ordering the Watanabe's this week. Going with gunmetal grey 16x8 0, 8.5 -6. |
Ordered my Watanabe R wheels from Japan. Gunmetal 5x114.3 16x8 0, 8.5 -6. Should be here in about 4 months. I can't wait as I have always wanted a set of real Wat's!
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Are you swapping the rear subframe
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As soon as I find an S14 rear subframe.
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Loving this
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Just the bare subframe with no arms. I'm in Marshall, about an hour out of DC.
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I bought an S14 subframe and will order MAX adjustable arms and drop spindle/knuckles. I also got an Infinity J30 diff. 3.98 (IIRC) LSD. I plan to get a Nismo 1.5 way to swap in as well and may even go with a shorter ratio. I have been told the 3.98 is too tall for my setup and my only experience is with BMW so I just couldn't go 4.1x+ off the bat. I may end up swapping the ring and pinion gear but we will see.
EFI Hardware sent me a photo of the throttle bodies stripped down. And the guy doing my 3/4 renders sent me this wild wide body version he designed. I love it but will likely never do anything like that. These are the MAX parts I plan to order. https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/...ing/RKNUC.html https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/...g/RLCAS14.html https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/...ring/RUCA.html https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/...ring/TOER.html https://store.partsshopmax.com/shop/...ing/TRACR.html https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4756/3...735f09cc_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4628/3...6e1f7cd8_b.jpg |
I run S14 sub with Voodoo13 arms, 350Z diff with Kaaz Super Q,
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What needs to be done to fit the 350z diff?
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Solid looking cars you've built man. I'm liking this project.
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You have to modify the sub since the 350Z diff ears are in a different location
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Good to know. Had to have my bmw subframe modified to bring the ear mounts in closer to fit the BMW m5 diff.
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Ordered the rear suspension parts from MAX. Also went ahead and ordered ARP head studs as well as the Ross hall sensor kit for the RB. I will definitely want crank fire ignition at the RPM's I will be running. Just chipping away at the parts list
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Lol! Yeah, I just sold my 04 Volvo V70R so it's Christmas again!
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Got some more work done. Should have it completely stripped within a week. I will also start stripping the rest of the interior this weekend. Also got some BRIDE fabric for the door panel inserts. Waiting on a few more quotes for the Bride Stradia II with kevlar back to get the best price and should order those in the next week or so too.
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I need to clean up and store all the extra parts now. Just waiting for the guy to come pull the windshield to pull the dash since I don't want to risk breaking the defrost section.
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Got all the rubber seals and trim removed and intact! Those rubber door/t top seals are tricky and you could easily tear them. No longer available either! Hard to believe out of everything I removed, the only thing that broke were the tabs on the inner quarter window trim panels. I figured everything would break..
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Glass guy just finished. Took him 2 hours but he did a great job and didn't damage any of the trim. Now I can pull the dash. I did find a really high quality carpet kit for the car which I hadn't expected. I hated the stock gross thin, sparse carpet that had bleached out to a blueish grey. I was only going to run the bare floor because of this but one of my best friends has convinced me to run carpet. He also told me about his experience with stock interiors.com. He said they literally are just like OE when you upgrade to the better carpeting option with the molded backing. The door panels will be custom done with leather, alcantara and the Bride fabric. Will have them add some custom red stitching to match the seats.
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It's surprisingly easy to remove everything. I've taken a ton of photos and I like to put screws back in their places with stuff like this rather than bagging them. I'm pulling everything because I want to paint a bare engine bay so it's perfect. No masking at all.
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Parts starting to come in. S14 240sx rear subframe,*MAX lower control arms and drop knuckles. The upper arms and toe rods arrive tomorrow. I ordered Ichiban 5 lug hubs/bearings as well. Soon, I will have the car towed to my friend who will weld in the subframe mounts. I found a rear roll cage for the Z31 and will have my friend weld in a second bar to create an X since I think the 1 sided bar will make my OCD go into overdrive. Then it's off to paint!
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that chassis is crazy clean, amazing.
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Oh I like this.....We have not even seen engine work yet!
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I talked with the machinist and he is about to start the head work. There was a lot of work in line ahead of me. Should be ordering the stroker crank and h beam rods next week! Car should be back to me Sunday with the s14 subframe installed. Custom made rear roll cage should be next |
S14 subframe installed. It will be delivered back to me as a roller this eve!
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Most of us including me, notch the frame.
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Notch the frame where though?
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Nice looking rear ya got there.
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Thanks!
Ordered a Nitto stroker crank, H beam rods and upgraded rod bolts. Also ordered a stainless RB26 exhaust manifold flange since my headers are from the RB25 which oddly enough, has a slightly different bolt pattern. Now I can drop the block and crank off with the machinist and get in line so that by the time he is ready to start that, the custom piston specs will be ready. He can also port match the header flange while doing all the headwork.*Also ordered the forgot to order PSM traction arms for the rear suspension. |
Throttle bodies are done! Bored out to 49mm with all new seals, bearing and re-plated parts. Ordered Bride seat rails so that I can borrow a used Bride from Japanese Classics for the fabricator to start the roll cage in a week or two.
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Enjuku racing RB Z31 oil pan arrived and the traction rods for the rear suspension are supposed to ship tomorrow. Then it will go to a local shop for the rear cage next week. Going for this design only with no diagonal bars down to the trans tunnel.
Lastly, I am having the stock intercooler recess on the valve cover welded up to mirror the other side. It's always bothered the hell out of me on RB's.* https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4700/2...89316835_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4613/2...9e459e37_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4620/3...64ecdd6f_b.jpg |
This is so cool! I have never seen this done but always hated the stock intercooler notch on the RB26 valve cover. The body guy made an aluminum cover and welded it in place.
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Great build. No one really likes to mess with these cars. I did a 5.0 swap in one of these over a year ago. Love the build. We need more z builds.
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Lotus saffron yellow is out (on the left) as it's too yellow. I am waiting for a Porsche 139 (the color of yellowbird) sprayout next. The safari gold 920 just seems a tad too brown to me but we will see when compared to the Porsche 139. Cam/valve covers came out perfect! I love it and think it will be one of the coolest little details about this build! https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4778/2...73ec5502_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4790/2...b1c393a7_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4797/4...f298e48d_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4794/2...dc8132a3_b.jpg |
Enlarged throttle bodies (49mm) with new plates, bearings, seals, bore coating and freshly plated hardware.
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Nitto stroker 2.8L crank, H beam rods, ROSS crank fire hall sensor kit, ARP head studs, ARP rod bolts and the RB26 exhaust flange. My traction rods arrived as well so I can get those in and tow the car to the shop that's doing the rear cage on Sunday.
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Everything looks great but that oil pan.
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I agree and have been wondering what I should do about it. First it was delayed by months. Then it got here looking like poorly welded sheet metal. I just sent them an email to ask about it too.
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Traction arms in and the car is finally brought down. Hilarious how high the front is compared to the rear. Ready for takeoff!
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Love the rims shit
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Thanks! Real RS Watanabe's. 16x8 0, 8.5 -6. Made to order from Japan.
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Was about 6 IPA's deep last night and decided to go ahead and order my seats from RHDJapan lol. I was going to order them eventually anyway and there is a 4-6 week lead time.
Bride Stradia II with Gradient fabric and carbon aramide/kevlar back. Shaves around 40 lbs off the weight of the car and the back will kind of match the exterior color of the car. https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4794/2...efa17f9e_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/817/27...724d1031_b.jpg |
I need your bank account. Influenced decisions are always truthful and genuinely what you want I find, just my sober state of mind says don’t be an idiot haha. I’m not a fan of Z’s at all but this is a sweet build!
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