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MegasquirtCA 09-11-2007 09:50 PM

My new Wideband (JAW) what ya guys think?
 
So I found out about this low cost wideband controller. Controller with Display comes out to about $65 plus $42 for the Bosch LSU 4.2 O2 sensor, than $16 for harness supplies or use the supplied terminals. Anyways I bought the cases for about $5. The kit offers datalogging as well and input to any standalone.



http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6002/dsc00177zn2.jpg


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johngriff 09-11-2007 09:58 PM

Your DIY box looks alot better than i would have imagined!

Sweet!

MegasquirtCA 09-11-2007 10:04 PM

I went to radioshack and never knew they sold whats called "Project Enclosures" its cases made for PCB's and worked out perfectly for me.


Hopefully I'll be using it this week possibly thursday when I fix my downpipe.

chuy 09-11-2007 10:18 PM

MOre info please

MegasquirtCA 09-11-2007 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuy (Post 1542296)
MOre info please


what would you like to know.

efrain240sx 09-11-2007 11:23 PM

I would like to know were I can get a this stuff

MegasquirtCA 09-11-2007 11:27 PM

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm


they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

bardabe 09-11-2007 11:39 PM

+1 for you, I'm going to try this sometime in a friend's car. ha ha

MegasquirtCA 09-11-2007 11:50 PM

Radioshack Part#

Display Case
Part# 270-1802
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search


Board Case
Part# 270-1805
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search


40mm Fan
Part# 273-240
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...entPage=search



I recommend going with a 50mm fan or 60mm at the most and nothing bigger than 20mm width.

Something like this is perfect.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835104007

O3DigitalBath 09-11-2007 11:52 PM

seems cool, the DIY case would be nicer if the plug/wire was on the opposite side as the display instead of same side.

undesiredshoe 09-11-2007 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA (Post 1542388)
http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm


they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

So I would buy one and send it to you, you put it together, and ill pay you to send it to me?? What if it doesnt work?? Whats your email, I might be ordering one soon.

MegasquirtCA 09-11-2007 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by undesiredshoe (Post 1542428)
So I would buy one and send it to you, you put it together, and ill pay you to send it to me?? What if it doesnt work?? Whats your email, I might be ordering one soon.


Well I'd only do it if we got 5 people. It would save money on shipping. I would be testing them before they left, and in the event if it doesnt work the dude is cool on doing refunds.


Just a little background on my electronic capabilities. I build Megasquirt ecu's.

jskateborders 09-12-2007 12:50 AM

How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor.
thanks

johngriff 09-12-2007 12:55 AM

If you put a wide band sensor in place of the OEM O2 you will just overheat it. The wideband needs to be mounted before the CAT, around under your knee to keep from overheating the sensor.

Welding Required for ANY wideband install.

MegasquirtCA 09-12-2007 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jskateborders (Post 1542472)
How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor.
thanks


Like John said your gonna overheat the sensor which will cause false readings. Innovate recommends on Turbocharged motors that the wideband be placed 36 inches after the turbo.

This isn't really for permanent installation, dont forget Wideband O2 sensors DO NOT LIKE being rich all the time, if you run like a 12:1 AFR you'll destroy your sensor in a few months, and leaving it in and not turned on will destroy it even sooner.

But if you truly want the JAW kit can output a narrowband signal which you can feed directly to the stock ecu.


As for part number
VW Part#021906262B
Bosch# 17014


More info on the harness parts
http://14point7.com/JAW/JAW_FYI.htm


I tried to mimick the functionality of the Innovate LM-1 the only difference is mine is just smaller.

http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/images/LM1kit.jpg

thejapino 09-12-2007 07:06 PM

Hey I pm'd you earlier about putting one together for me.

+1 for the idea for putting in a narrow band output as well

MegasquirtCA 09-12-2007 07:12 PM

Just to make it clear I'm not the one who designed the board, its a guy in Canada who did all the work, he sells kits and I in turn put them together for interested parties.

98koukile 09-12-2007 08:07 PM

So $107 total plus shipping?

chuy 09-12-2007 08:20 PM

Way dude 107 plus shipping Im in

Lucient 09-12-2007 09:14 PM

Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also

MegasquirtCA 09-12-2007 09:22 PM

Let me do the price break down.

If 5 people are in and pay ahead it will cost

Board: $45
Display: $25

Harness Parts
Housing VW# 1J0-973-733 you need 1 $5.75
Terminals VW# 000-979-133-A you need 3 $3.59 Total $10.77
Grommet VW# 357-972-741-A you need 6 $0.29 Total $1.74
Total for harness $18.26

Display Case $2.69
Board Case $3.79
Total $6.48

Fan is about $3 from Newegg.


If I get 5 people knock off $5 so $70 turns to $65. knock off like another $5 because cost of shipping is saved since it all goes to me which is $10 I'll eat that cost.

$5 Priority Mail.


So total price is $102.74. Make it $110 you get everything what you see in the pic, also a harness thats not pictured. It connects to the O2 sensor. The Extra $8 is for tax, supplies, and extra shipping charges that may pop up.

O2 sensor is not included but can be easily purchased for about $44 shipped from Amazon.

MegasquirtCA 09-12-2007 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucient (Post 1544010)
Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also


Just to clear it up again, Im not the creator I'm just a consumer :kiss: I'm just offering assembly services because I know some people are uncomfortable soldering on PCB, it helps build up my portfolio.


Heres a video of the unit in use and it shows the software.

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW_WBO2_Display_Eli.wmv

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.wmv


If you wanna mess with the software, you can download it here.

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20a...tup%201.13.exe

jskateborders 09-12-2007 09:35 PM

I will definitely do 110 for this thing

MegasquirtCA 09-13-2007 12:48 PM

Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.



So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva


I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.

punxva 09-13-2007 03:41 PM

i'll most def. take one too, add me to that list man

MegasquirtCA 09-14-2007 01:11 PM

list has been updated.

thejapino 09-14-2007 03:55 PM

Looking forward!!

thejapino 09-21-2007 10:23 AM

Update? So is this still going down?

steve shadows 09-21-2007 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegasquirtCA (Post 1544942)
Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.



So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva


I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.

but can it data log

sorry if i missed that

MegasquirtCA 09-21-2007 01:10 PM

It can datalog, it has 3 inputs for datalogging. Its primitive as in no graphic display but it gets the job done. If you look at the first pic in my post you'll see at the bottom middle of the board it says Datalog with 3 tiny holes. You solder 1 wire for each hole, I believe the one with the number 1 to the left of it is for RPM.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1425/jawls4.jpg



I'll be more than glad to still do the assembly even if we dont get enough people.


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