Beatin' yer kids
 

Would you/ Do you? Im talking a spanking, not closed fist full force hitting

I think kids are fucking stupid... since I was a kid not to long ago. I was beaten (corporal punishment), I turned out more or less fine. I don't have the desire to hit women or beat people smaller than me.

Now, this isnt about child abuse. there is a line between swatting a kid on the ass after they eat the cookies you said were for dessert and hitting them closed fisted for not doing something difficult right the first time.

What do you guys and gals think? Pros and cons? Your opinion?

America had a chance to adopt a "Children's Bill of Rights" a few years back, which prohibited any physcial punishment by a parent. We didn't. Just a little info.

kids are too stupid to listen to reason. you need to beat it into them. seriously.

My parents did it to me and i turned out fine. Kids now days get away with too much shit they need a good ass beating.

Yes / No.

If you raise them right you don't have to. Just depends on how lazy you are.

QFT

My siblings and i were raised the same. We did stupid shit and got our asses whooped. We all turned out just fine. We're all super cool with and hella close to our parents. It's not like we got smacked for everything, but everything we got whoopin's for we deserved.

As far as the whole "raising them right and you wont have to".....ummm i'd have to disagree. Lazy parents are the ones that don't discipline their kids and that's why you have soooo many piss ant brats these days.

Fuck this whole "be your kid's friend" mentality. You love them, yes, but you're the adult. Rules are set and if you don't listen, you gotta pay. Period. Parents are so soft these days its disgusting.

When i have kids, they'll be raised like i was. No question about it.

QFT +1. when i was a kid, i got beat with all sorts of things and i think i turned out pretty good. nowadays, i hear lil kids tellin their parents (in public places btw) go fuck yourself or go to hell...if i wouldve said that to my parents i wouldnt be here right now lol

QFT+ 2. I am a firm believer in positive and negative reinforcement. Growing up if I came home with good grades I would be rewarded with either money or bought me something cool. But if I got in trouble it would be the exact opposite. Hah

To me beating kids is a way for a kid to know what not to do so they wont get spanked. and Rewarding them will be a way to know the right path. Simple positive and negative reinforcement

I was raised getting beat up lol...not like abuse status but i would get a woppen when it was necessary. So i am a strong beliver in spanking my kids. I have 3 of my own and when either one of my kids acts up ex: dont do their homework, dont clean up after themselves, talk back, complain or cry about stupid shit, etc.... I let my wife try and take care of the situation first since she does not believe in spanking or getting all crazy.... then if they dont want to listen or acted up then i step in and take care of business. I was brought up like this and i always new if i didnt do what im suppose to or act stupid that my pops would spank me, so id listen. So i vote yes on spanking the little bastards...

it has a lot to do with the kids personality... some fuckers are rebels the moment they get out of the womb... But im pro beating all the way, no abuse though just discipline and none of that time out BS either, real discipline

MTV's World's Strictest Parents.
Yes beat your kids

Not only is it good for developing your child, you get some cheap entertainment out of it too.

I was never beaten or spanked. I turned out absolutely fine. My parents taught me enough about respect for them to not have to use physical violence on me.

Make sure your kids know whos boss from day one, and you won't have to hit them.

QFT

funny thing is I have to let my kid know that I'm going to spank him...cause if I catch him on a surprise...it doesn't faze him. for 6 months we did the whole...no spanking thing....and it just got to the point where telling him 5 times not to pull on his infants brothers arm got too much ( and we did put him in time out many times...doesn't faze him). he gets immediate no warning spankings for hitting though.

I think there are a lot of parents that should whip a kids ass...especially the one in the grocery store that flips you off and the mother just says...thats not nice! I had a 7 year old do that to me one time. I was shocked!....my father was the inforcer.

my dad is an ex-marine and I was a bad little kid so I got my ass whipped pretty bad here and there but I turned out fine.. I actually laugh about it now haha

QFTMFT

kids nowadays are brats...i was at Toys R Us picking up my CODMW2 copy and i was next...some little brat cuts ahead of me (5 yrs old i would guess) and im like "ohh okay go ahead" and he responds with "thats what i thought asshole" im loke WTF...i turn to the mom she's just smiling, i tell here "dopnt just look stupid and smile, dicipline your child be4 he grows up being a waste of the community, she responded with " ohh he's only a child he doesnt know what it means". i respond with "and he shouldnt know how to say things like that so well...

and yes i did push that little turd back behind me...ITS WAS MY TURN! :ddog:


amen on that sir...


same here, sandals, tree switch, belts, anything handy at the scene i was acting stupid,

you know that line George lopez uses about being dragged into the dressing room the mall....yeah...true story...:ddog:

agreed

and i like this method, ended with peacefull words, if that doesnt work, drop the fucking hammer...

ohh, MTV came up with another useless show having nothing to do with music...sweet

there are two types of children abuse which are verbal and physical. In my family we got both. so when my sister raised her kids she did'nt use either and her children ended up so so spoiled. For instance they only eat chicken nuggets from mcdonalds if you end up getting chicken tenders from a dine in they will not eat it, or if you brought the nuggets and they didnt come in the mcdonalds box.

the kids always needed there movies on demand or they start to go crazy.or when were having a family night out at a restuarant the kids would run around the restuarant. my sister raised them this way because she didnt want to hurt or yell at her children.

my brother on the other hand used my parents technique and anytime the kids get out of line he counts...1....2......and by three the kid had already straightened out. his kids have more respect for there elders and eat whatever is given to them, because usually they get treated with dessert, and or there favorite candy bar something very rewarding in retun of eating something any normal kid would push off to the floor

As for me i think it all depends on the kid. everyones different. some kids are very calm and others are on a sugar craze the whole day

so its better to adapt to each kids needs

some parents send their children to private school to straighten them out, i was sent to one, but gladly my parents didnt give them permission to use the "paddle" or any abuse whenever i got out of line

I've talked about this SO many times with peers.

As a kid, when we did something wrong, we got smacked.
Getting your ass whooped makes you think twice about being a smart ass again.

Today is kind of bullshit I think. I see these kids being total assholes and the parents couldn't be bothered to do anything about it.

Simple solution: Kid acts up. Smack him. Kid learns. The End.


I think there is far too much "PC" crap these days. lawsuits. Kids who "run" their parents. ADD, ADHD, etc. wtf is that?
A smack will straighten up that smart ass.

My point is, if the kids been raised right in the first place, it wouldn't be calling people assholes or cutting it queues, thus avoiding the need to be smacked!

I agree that a lot of kids are out of control, but thats due to them being raised by bad parents. Where else does a 5 year old learn to call someone an asshole if not from his negligent mother?

I'm not against parents smacking naughty children. I'm just saying, its not necessary in a lot of cases.

my neighbor had it the worse though she was hit anything her dad could find. her father ran a business on the house property. they made cement statues and used rebar for various reasons including reinforcing the structure of some statues. whenever she cussed or was disrespectful she was taken outside and hit with anything her father could get his hands on including rebar which in case you didnt know looked like this, but the kids werent beaten to a pulp just a slap on the hand
http://grcsandiego.com/joomla/images.../Rebar-big.jpg

i was glad my dad just used this
http://media.rei.com/media/p/1198822.jpg
http://memoirs.lecio.us/wp-content/u...6/spanking.jpg

im filipino. almost all the filipinos i know got whooped by their parents.
it just teaches you to respect authority or suffer the consequences...a key lesson for life.

my mom's tool of choice was this:

http://en.wikipilipinas.org/images/a/a8/Tsinelas.jpg

my father was a firefighter and he used to spank us with his thick, diamond-patterned belt he wore with his uniform.
but i gotta say, we seemed to get it much worse from our mom. lol

all in all, i'd say it didn't have a negative impact on us.
it did not make us resent our parents. and now that we're all adults, i think
our relationship with our parents is closer than ever; even with my sister being the only one left living on guam with our folks.

I'm not for beating kids up.

there has got be more creative solutions towards discipline.

-put them in a situation where THEY choose what to do
(i.e. quiet down or no TV)
-removal of rewards
-time out
-explain things to them in a way they can understand.

I also think a lot of 'acting out' is based on the fact kids don't get enough attention,
and/or have no constructive outlet of their energy.
I would try to do the following:

-go jogging/cycling with the kids every day for an hour or so (keep yourself in shape too).
-spend time doing their h/w with them.
-play video games w/ them.
-listen to music w/ them.
-read w/ them.

avoid retarded material that serves no purpose & is boring to the adult (barney the dinosaur/teletubbies/nickelodean/reality tv, american idol, etc)

the idea is to spend time with your kids doing stuff that both parent/kid will enjoy/benefit.

if I can't spend a few hrs a day with my kids,
& have the patience to discipline them w/out spanking/yelling, then I'd rather not.

not condemming spanking per say,
but it's just not my style to hit ppl and yell to solve problems.
likewise, I would like to convey the same as a role model to my kids.

^^^^
and that's why the kids are so messed up these days (in my opinion).
Parents don't discipline the kids. The kids get away with everything and have nothing to be scared of.
*not 100% of the time, but you get the idea..... I hope.

Good parenting to begin with is also KEY.

Kids shouldn't be allowed to get away with anything.
Disclipline should be enforced,
but it need not necessarily be physical punishment.

Imo, kids are out of control b/c they're spoilt.
Spoilt kids usually (not always) stem from lazy parents.
Their solution is to always give in to the kids' demands.
That isn't what I'm advocating.

The other lazy parent (as Soapgun mentioned),
is to solve everything with spanking.
Instead of taking the time to reason with your child and give them constructive attention,
just beat them.

Q: What do you do when words are not working?
A: Spank the kid. That will work better (maybe). seems to have worked well for so many.

*of course, then you have asshole parents who go overboard and actually abuse the kids. THAT is a problem for sure, obviously.*

If I was naughty I usually had my TV/Computer privileges removed. When you're a kid, thats a pretty awful situation to be in. It would straighten me out very quickly.

Words alone usually don't work when the kids aren't paying attention (for whatever reason).
Get them to calm down first, then reason with them.
How to actually calm them down depends on a lot of factors.

In public, I would take them back to the car.
At home, I would take them back to a smaller room.
Once they are calm enough to listen, then reason with them.

Admittedly it is more work than a quick back-hand,
but then again I don't expect raising a kid to be some convenient endeavor.

I also think a lot of acting out might be indicative of other problems.
maybe the kid is upset at something actually valid/thinks he's being treated unfairly, etc,
but doesn't know the right way to express it.
Do you try to find out the root of the problem (not much different than troubleshooting),
or do you dismiss it with a slap to the face?

Thoughtfully disciplining the kid not serves the purpose of discipline.
It gives kids the opportunity of how to deal with problems more constructively.
I like to think of it as a learning opportunity.

Maybe the kid actually wants attention,
and will try to get it even if it means getting beat-up every day.
I used to live next to a poor kid who got beat up violently by his dad every day.
That fact it happened every day meant either the punishment wasn't working, and/or there was something wrong with the dad.

With physical punishment (If you must use it),
you also have to consider some degree of restraint.
do you smack them indiscrimanantly for every instance of misbehavior?
at what age do you stop?
at what level of intensity to you beat the kid?

another thing that fucks kids up is cuddling them to much, you do that they own you...and thats another reason they act up because mommy or daddy wont hurt them


for example...my nephew, he wants something, we say no its not for you, he throws a tantrum and goes to the corner and cries his eyes out, do we run in, pick him up and cuddle him till he smiles...no, fuck that, we let him cry till he settles down, then we pick him up tell him to take a deep breath, wipe his tears and its over...

we teach him that when you act out, you will not be rewarded...and he's gotten better at it and doesnt act out...

my mother beign grandma though, fucks it up horribly, but she's grandma, and its her only grandbaby...so yeah...lol

ever notice that kids, when they fall, they look at you to see your reaction and if you make that "aww poor baby" look thats when they start crying ?

we noticed it with my nephew and we started doing this thing in which, if he fell and you see he was ok, we just yell cheerfully "SAFE!" like an ump at a baseball game lol he smiles, gets up and keeps playing...it enforces indpendence...obviously if they fall and do hurt themselves, we help him out and take care of his injury to reinforce that we are there for him...

same here.
it's not like you can drive to a bar if your tv is broken.

The latter.

Not sure why you'd want to do that??

Yes.

When they're old enough to understand they shouldn't be fucking up all the time.

Level 10.


lol. This isn't me trying to start an argument BTW.

I firmly believe kids these days need far more discipline than they're being given.
Too often I see kids misbehaving, and the parents/guardians do jack all.
Kids are smart enough to figure out that if all they're receiving is a vocal lecturing, it wont be hard to get away with more mischief.
Give a kid a stern, but not outright abusive beating, and the kid will think twice before committing that same act.

* By no means, am I advocating abuse as OK. A disciplinary smack/spanking is all I'm agreeing with*

Theres always those couple seconds after a kid falls when you don't know whether they're going to laugh or cry. Encouraging the laugh is clever tactics!