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JaredP 01-23-2012 11:36 PM

the brake swap thread
 
Alright, looking to get a collection of all the popular "brake swaps" for the s-chassis. A place where everyone can comment on how certain swaps feel and for what power levels the brakes are good for. This is for all swaps, either from other cars, or aftermarket (willwood) calipers with hardware/rotor setups that work. Also including front/rear balanced setups and pictures to show wheel clearance (and for those of us who like that minimal caliper>wheel clearance). i did a search, but all the information is spread out, i thought it would be nice to have it all in one place.

First off, lets get technical and describe how a brake system works, and get a basis for upgrading. For those in for a read: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/Win...principle.html

This is how our brake system works, and how we must look at upgrading it. The brake pedal/brake booster offers a leverage advantage of force on the master cylinder. With this, and the principles of hydraulic fluids, we are able to put tremendous forces on the brake pads. Simply put, the larger the caliper pistons, the more force you can output on the pads (given the same size master cylinder). With the same point, the larger a master cylinder bore, the greater input force is required to have the same output. It is generally recommended to go to a larger master cylinder if you upgrade the brakes, to get rid of that "soft" feeling in the pedal.

Master Cylinder Options:
stock bmc bore is 15/16".

1. Z32: so far the only BMC I know that is direct replacement. Either 1" or 1 1/16" bore.

1. Z32/skyline gtst brakes
-front calipers: bolt on
-rear calipers: bolt on
-z32 rotors/pads (26 or 30mm depending on caliper in the front). have 5 lug or redrill to 4 lug if needed
-brake lines: lots of variations of swap brake lines are available online
special notes: z33 track rotors can be used in front with an adapter plate, z32 2+2 ebrake lines supposedly reach stock location with rerouting, can also use extensions found on ebay or make some yourself like this:
http://t3.gstatic.com/imagesq=tbn:AN...qRRLU0eUzPuqig


2. Evo/sti brembo brakes
Front: 04 STi Brembo calipers / Evo rotors
Rear: 04 STi Brembo calipers / Evo rotors
Brake lines: Brembo brake lines for STi Brembos
notes: rear caliper/ebrake. brembo calipers on your z32 setup:
#/f/tech-talk/93748-...ml#post1342840
note about sti rears:
#/f/tech-talk/93748-...ml#post2057367

front calipers need adapter bracket:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3...ture0588ln.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3...racket1fs0.jpg

mounted picture (17" wheel)
http://www.driftclub-il.com/johnc/Ni...s/brakes11.jpg

3. sentra se-r vspec brembo fronts
-work well with z32 rear
-bolt right up to front
-sentra rotors redrilled

anyone with different brake setups, post what you got, pics, how it feels. lets try to keep the general chat to a min and post up brake setups!

atutt 01-24-2012 06:22 AM

Since when has it been required to use Z32/GTST rear knuckles for rear Z32 calipers on a S13/14?

JaredP 01-24-2012 07:36 AM

i was under the impression they were, as when i was new to s-chassis thats what everyone told me. did some googling, fixed the error. thanks atutt

zooopreme 01-24-2012 09:03 AM

Q45 fronts, S13 rear. Direct bolt on, uses S13/S14 brake lines. Stock BMC can be used.

Redrill to 4 lug if needed.

Ted J 01-24-2012 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooopreme (Post 4477718)
Q45 fronts, S13 rear. Direct bolt on, uses S13/S14 brake lines. Stock BMC can be used.

Redrill to 4 lug if needed.

Could a person also do the Altima larger rotor on the S13 rear to gain a little more rear braking? Like is it worth it?

japslapsilvia 01-24-2012 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted J (Post 4477906)
Could a person also do the Altima larger rotor on the S13 rear to gain a little more rear braking? Like is it worth it?


#/f/archive-faqs/291...-calipers.html

fatduece 01-24-2012 12:23 PM

^ I don't see how upgrading to a bigger rotor increases braking ability. The only thing I can think of is quicker heat dissipation. The caliper stays the same (weak single piston, that continues to do the same thing, being weak. ) the only way you can make it better is with a good pad compound, and that's the limit of that set up. Looks like a waste of time to me. The dual z32 rear piston caliper will do a far better job even on a tiny rotor.




P.S. I am not a expert on brakes. Just saying whats on my mind =P

zooopreme 01-24-2012 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatduece (Post 4478021)
^ I don't see how upgrading to a bigger rotor increases braking ability. The only thing I can think of is quicker heat dissipation. The caliper stays the same (weak single piston, that continues to do the same thing, being weak. ) the only way you can make it better is with a good pad compound, and that's the limit of that set up. Looks like a waste of time to me. The dual z32 rear piston caliper will do a far better job even on a tiny rotor.

P.S. I am not a expert on brakes. Just saying whats on my mind =P

If you had read the entire thing, you would have found this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace
Certainly there will be those who argue that 'Z32 rears are better' just because that's what has been regurgitated 100 times on forums, but I would love to see any quantified research showing me so. This setup allows a larger rotor with the stock calipers, stock e brake, etc etc...a perfect solution for a minimalist like me.

If anything, that is an ALTERNATIVE TO/CHEAPER THAN the z32 rears. And more street oriented might I add.

fatduece 01-24-2012 12:48 PM

I did read it. Which is why I said it looks like a pointless upgrade no matter how cheap it costs. You're better off sticking with the stock rotor and upgraded pads.

Bushido 01-24-2012 01:32 PM

I did the altima rear rotors with z31 carrier and stock rear calipers, i didn't do it to improve braking, just did it cause stock rotors look tiny inside 18's...

i had a z31 carrier on a parts car lying around and i needed new rotors anyways... it probably ain't worth it to go out of the way to do it.



...moral of the story, save up for mustang rotors and dual z32 calipers.

JaredP 01-24-2012 05:30 PM

besides the fact that larger rotors = better heat dissipation (if both are the same type, ie. vented, solid etc.) and all the frictional/physics stuff like that, a larger rotor will give you more leverage on the hub to slow the wheel down.

think like a lever, the further from the pivot the easier it is to lift/move a load. now apply this to the wheel. the pivot is the hub with the tread on the tire being the "handle" of the lever. it puts tremendous stress on any brakes, but with a larger rotor, that force is reduced allowing it to stop easier.

now of course this only applies to situations that maintain identical pad contact areas. the best part of bigger rotors is you can use bigger pads, increasing contact area and greatly improving braking

Shayl 01-24-2012 06:21 PM

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Mikeyboy 01-24-2012 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredP (Post 4477317)

Master Cylinder Options:
a larger bore master cylinder will move more fluid as the pedal is depressed and can give a "squishy" pedal feeling on stock brakes. a larger bore requires less pedal effort and travel to apply the same force to a caliper piston.

Ok I gotta say it...
By increasing the master cylinder diameter, while lessening pedal travel, the amount of force needed to create the same amount of force in the brake calipers increases. So increasing the bmc size should only be done in proportion to the increase in total caliper piston diameter.

JaredP 01-24-2012 06:43 PM

your right, i was thinking about it backwards. its been a while since i've gone over the calculations. good eye, not trying to spread false information

Kaifd3s 01-24-2012 07:04 PM

After a little investigation,

Ive read that the SE-R SpecV Brembos use a 300x22mm disc rotor. Now Ive searched and have seen that the R33 GTR Brembos rear AND 03-05 Evo's rear use the same size rotor. Now would I be able to use those rotors on the SE-R calipers in the front in an S14?

Im guessing yes?

JaredP 01-24-2012 07:11 PM

you have to look at hat offset as well, which is generally different between a front/rear rotor. im pretty sure the evos use a drum ebrake too which is going to mean they are deeper to the hub mounting point. easiest/best way would probably just have some sentra rotors redrilled but who knows the rears might work! i'm not familiar with the r33 brembo rear setup either, but i could see it being drum e-brake like the r32

JaredP 01-25-2012 09:00 PM

cheaper option to buying the full front wilwood big brake kit:

1. wilwood forged superlite internal 4 piston calipers:
Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Forged Superlite Internal Calipers

2. z33 track rotors + adapter bracket (make your own, or can find online).

after some research, the z33 rotors are 12.76" diameter, and 1.18" thick. this would mean you want one of the calipers that has a rotor max thickness of 1.25 in the link above. the only other decision needing to be made is what you want your overall piston area to be.

install guide (from willwood): http://www.wilwood.com/Pdf/howtostor...ke_Install.pdf
brake lines: p/n 220-9199 from willwood. http://www.wilwood.com/LineKits/Line...temno=220-9199 or you could buy a 1/8-27 npt fitting to -3 adapter and use any brake line you wish that corresponds


these pics belong to WISH ONE and i hope he doesnt mind me sharing:
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...h/IMG_4879.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...h/IMG_4876.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...h/28ae19c6.jpg

Kaifd3s 01-25-2012 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredP (Post 4481167)
cheaper option to buying the full front wilwood big brake kit:

1. wilwood forged superlite internal 4 piston calipers:
Wilwood High-Performance Disc Brakes - Forged Superlite Internal Calipers

2. z33 track rotors + adapter bracket (make your own, or can find online)

after some research, the z33 rotors are 12.76" diameter, and 1.18" thick. this would mean you want one of the calipers that has a rotor max thickness of 1.25 in the link above. the only other decision needing to be made is what you want your overall piston area to be.



What about lines?

JaredP 01-25-2012 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaifd3s (Post 4481173)
What about lines?

a 1/8-27 npt fitting is used to go into the caliper. an adapter from 1/8-27 > -3 can be purchased. line info posted above


will be updating with more technical things in the near future

ILoveMyRHS13 01-25-2012 09:08 PM

I LOVE my current setup. It feels very balanced.

Front Calipers - Q45
Rear Calipers - Stock S13 with Z31 bracket with 2003 Altima rear rotors.
Master cylinder - Z31 TT

killer240 01-25-2012 10:26 PM

mine, i love it
i dont really like my rear set up which is Sti + Z32 rotors, im thinking about a special order. IDC! lol dont mind the harness, i will be tucking it, and tubs!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6...066c0ef740.jpg
IMG_3142 by d_2jzgte, on Flickr

JaredP 01-25-2012 10:28 PM

^^^sti brembos in the front right? what dont you like about the rears? feels unbiased? and what size is the wheel (im gonna guess 17")

ManoNegra 01-25-2012 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaifd3s (Post 4478834)
After a little investigation,

Ive read that the SE-R SpecV Brembos use a 300x22mm disc rotor. Now Ive searched and have seen that the R33 GTR Brembos rear AND 03-05 Evo's rear use the same size rotor. Now would I be able to use those rotors on the SE-R calipers in the front in an S14?

Im guessing yes?

Brilliant Florida
except what do you plan to do about the fact that rear R33 and Evo rotors
are designed to house a e-brake assembly?

or even if they did bolt on, what makes you think they've be the right offset to the caliper?

ManoNegra 01-25-2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredP (Post 4481167)
cheaper option to buying the full front wilwood big brake kit:

Heading in the right direction but not quite there

CodyAce knows what's up:
http://www.codyace.com/albums/album4...all2.sized.jpg

http://www.codyace.com/albums/album4...all1.sized.jpg

JaredP 01-25-2012 11:25 PM

^details? trying to get all the info in one place. also, that caliper doesnt look like its mounted in the stock caliper mounts...looks a bit low?

killer240 01-26-2012 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredP (Post 4481333)
^^^sti brembos in the front right? what dont you like about the rears? feels unbiased? and what size is the wheel (im gonna guess 17")

yes Sti fronts and rears +17/16 BMC and yes those are 17's
Sti rear rotors are thicker than Z32's


i want to get another S chassis just so i can slap on some project muahahahaha



oh and that wilwood set up looks good

onehundredoctane 01-26-2012 06:43 AM

This is purely to serve as a mild brake upgrade on my S14 until I decide to put more money into it. Currently have 2001 Q45 rotors and calipers up front with Hawk HPS pads, then out back I have the Z31 caliper bracket with 2003 Altima rear rotors and Hawk HPS pad in the stock S14 calipers. So far it's been good enough to take the 60-0 distance from 143 feet down to 119 feet.

shiftdrift 01-26-2012 08:00 AM

i'll be installing my wilwood superlite/z33 brembo setup this weekend, upgrading from a z32 setup. around spring i plan to upgrade to the 2 piece wilwood rotors also.

ManoNegra 01-26-2012 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredP (Post 4481445)
^details? trying to get all the info in one place. also, that caliper doesnt look like its mounted in the stock caliper mounts...looks a bit low?

Defsport / Skullworks Budget Baller Wilwood FSL Kit

also if you care to learn more about the nuances of the Evo/STi Brembo caliper swap search under my username
I know I've posted a good deal of information on the swap

JaredP 01-26-2012 09:01 AM

i've actually read about that def/skullworks brake setup, but could never find any info. thanks mano!

ZilviaKid 01-26-2012 09:30 AM

Why does no one at all have a Brembo BBK?

like an actual kit, not stealing calipers from another car

atom 01-26-2012 10:00 AM

Look at the price of a brembo GT kit, is it that big of a mystery?

zooopreme 01-26-2012 10:14 AM

Where are some of you sourcing your Z31 rear brackets? I'm looking to head that direction someday.

onehundredoctane 01-26-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooopreme (Post 4482028)
Where are some of you sourcing your Z31 rear brackets? I'm looking to head that direction someday.

Every time I go to a junk yard I try to pull some just to keep em from getting crushed. I have a spare set that could use a good cleaning. PM me if you're interested. Doing this rear brake upgrade really helped my cars braking feel more neutral, the car doesn't nose dive as bad anymore. Probably the cheapest bang for the buck upgrade I've done in a long while.

Chuvy 01-26-2012 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom (Post 4482004)
Look at the price of a brembo GT kit, is it that big of a mystery?

The cayanne and Audi q4, or q5, have the same calipers as the gt kits. You could actually piece together a gt kit

ZilviaKid 01-26-2012 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atom (Post 4482004)
Look at the price of a brembo GT kit, is it that big of a mystery?

considering the wheel elitism on this forum, im gonna start tearing into the assholes of people who get 200 dollar 300zx brakes and spend 4k on wheels.

[email protected] 01-26-2012 12:31 PM

I always thought it was strange the z32tt uses 280x30mm front rotors and larger diameter 297x18mm on the rear. I believe I heard z32 owners upgrade only pads and the front rotors/calipers and leave the rears as is since they're pretty good factory spec?

JaredP 01-26-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZilviaKid (Post 4482073)
considering the wheel elitism on this forum, im gonna start tearing into the assholes of people who get 200 dollar 300zx brakes and spend 4k on wheels.

people dont buy the brembo bbk because most of the people dont need it. even the lsx s-chassis cars will be fine with some of the smaller, cheaper brembo-swap options, or even just the willwood kit.

i can assure you that the people that DO need brakes that size, have them, and $4k wheels are the last of their worries

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 4482286)
I always thought it was strange the z32tt uses 280x30mm front rotors and larger diameter 297x18mm on the rear. I believe I heard z32 owners upgrade only pads and the front rotors/calipers and leave the rears as is since they're pretty good factory spec?

front z32 calipers are 4 piston, while the rears are only dual. not to mention the thickness of the caliper will do more for cooling and brake fade then a few extra millimetres in diameter

GabeS14 02-04-2012 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManoNegra (Post 4481440)
Heading in the right direction but not quite there

CodyAce knows what's up:
http://www.codyace.com/albums/album4...all2.sized.jpg

http://www.codyace.com/albums/album4...all1.sized.jpg

not sure if you answered this before, but could I run low disk leon hardritt ordens with those? or any idea of the size of the spacer needed to possibly clear?
I am def not going to be able to run BBK in my build,because of my wheel sizings. But for the motor I am running I do need good brakes... so I need a smaller but good quality option.

onehundredoctane 03-21-2012 12:48 PM

Wilwood Grand Nationals, (covered with painters tape here to protect wheel and caliper in case it was tight, this was purely for test fitting.) on Z33 track rotors. Confirming that they wheel clear 16" DT-O5R wheels.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net...97422766_n.jpg

blueshark123 03-21-2012 02:03 PM

Has any one mentioned the cts-v brembo brakes upgrade?

Rancimo322 04-11-2012 09:29 AM

No good upgrades for the broke s13 folks ???
well w/e i went altima rotors on j30 breaks front = $30
and z31 rotors with bracket = $20
over all less then $80 after having the rotors
machined. I<3junkyards ;)

onehundredoctane 04-11-2012 01:19 PM

Posted the Grand National caliper last time, finally mounted the Forged Superlite Internal that I'll actually be running :) 1.38" pistons

http://carolinanissans.com/spotlight...1157616124.jpg

florante rea 07-18-2012 07:52 PM

My new setup, sti calipers w evox rotors fronts, rears i'm using 300zx tt.

SandmanST6 08-01-2012 11:20 AM

I know the thread says that the R33 GST calipers can take a Z33 track rotor, I have that set up on my S14, however there is a decient amount of the inside portion of the rotor that is not being used. This is very annoying because of the pad overhang and leaving all that braking power off the rotor. I am not sure if R33 spindles will do anything to bring the caliper down closer to the rotor ,or If I need to try to find a different adaptor bracket ? Any Ideas?

badbob2121 08-01-2012 12:31 PM

I have the ArizonaZCar Wilwood 4POT, 12.2" front kit.
240SX Brakes

I love the kit so far, Dave at ArizonaZCar provided great customer service and has great pricing as well.

http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/y...IMG_1052-2.jpg
http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/y...1/IMG_1053.jpg
http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/y...1/IMG_1194.jpg

ghoti 08-01-2012 01:04 PM

Wonder why no one mentioned J30 brakes all around. They're very similar to the Q45 ones.
The piston diameter is the same as well as the rotor for both J30 & Q45 front calipers at least, not sure about the back.
Pads are the same size execpt for the Y33 chassis which i believe are like .2 longer.

J30 / Q45 Caliper
Cylinder bore diameter 42.8mm (1.685") x 2
Pad Lining Length x Width X Thickness
127mm x 56mm x 9.5mm (5"x2.2"x.0374")

g_mac530 08-01-2012 08:06 PM

Anyone running the PSM rear knuckles with z32 or any upgraded rear brakes?

S13queen 08-01-2012 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaredP (Post 4477317)
Alright, looking to get a collection of all the popular "brake swaps" for the s-chassis. A place where everyone can comment on how certain swaps feel and for what power levels the brakes are good for. This is for all swaps, either from other cars, or aftermarket (willwood) calipers with hardware/rotor setups that work. Also including front/rear balanced setups and pictures to show wheel clearance (and for those of us who like that minimal caliper>wheel clearance). i did a search, but all the information is spread out, i thought it would be nice to have it all in one place.

First off, lets get technical and describe how a brake system works, and get a basis for upgrading. For those in for a read: Pascal's Principle and Hydraulics

This is how our brake system works, and how we must look at upgrading it. The brake pedal/brake booster offers a leverage advantage of force on the master cylinder. With this, and the principles of hydraulic fluids, we are able to put tremendous forces on the brake pads. Simply put, the larger the caliper pistons, the more force you can output on the pads (given the same size master cylinder). With the same point, the larger a master cylinder bore, the greater input force is required to have the same output. It is generally recommended to go to a larger master cylinder if you upgrade the brakes, to get rid of that "soft" feeling in the pedal.

Master Cylinder Options:
stock bmc bore is 15/16".

1. Z32: so far the only BMC I know that is direct replacement. Either 1" or 1 1/16" bore.

1. Z32/skyline gtst brakes
-front calipers: bolt on
-rear calipers: bolt on
-z32 rotors/pads (26 or 30mm depending on caliper in the front). have 5 lug or redrill to 4 lug if needed
-brake lines: lots of variations of swap brake lines are available online
special notes: z33 track rotors can be used in front with an adapter plate, z32 2+2 ebrake lines supposedly reach stock location with rerouting, can also use extensions found on ebay or make some yourself like this:
http://t3.gstatic.com/imagesq=tbn:AN...qRRLU0eUzPuqig


2. Evo/sti brembo brakes
Front: 04 STi Brembo calipers / Evo rotors
Rear: 04 STi Brembo calipers / Evo rotors
Brake lines: Brembo brake lines for STi Brembos
notes: rear caliper/ebrake. brembo calipers on your z32 setup:
#/f/tech-talk/93748-...ml#post1342840
note about sti rears:
#/f/tech-talk/93748-...ml#post2057367

front calipers need adapter bracket:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3...ture0588ln.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3...racket1fs0.jpg

mounted picture (17" wheel)
http://www.driftclub-il.com/johnc/Ni...s/brakes11.jpg

3. sentra se-r vspec brembo fronts
-work well with z32 rear
-bolt right up to front
-sentra rotors redrilled

anyone with different brake setups, post what you got, pics, how it feels. lets try to keep the general chat to a min and post up brake setups!

I just got the STI front brake upgrade from Z1motorsports. The only thing I'm concerned about is what the offset should be for the rims for fitment. Does anyone know what the offset should be?

xs420240sx 04-16-2013 12:15 PM

Kinda old thread, i know, but had anyone successfully mounted a vented rotor on a stock rear caliper with the internal mechanical ebrake? already did the altima rotor upgrade and now im looking to cool the rear down even more while retaining stock ebrake components

onehundredoctane 04-16-2013 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xs420240sx (Post 5230018)
Kinda old thread, i know, but had anyone successfully mounted a vented rotor on a stock rear caliper with the internal mechanical ebrake? already did the altima rotor upgrade and now im looking to cool the rear down even more while retaining stock ebrake components

I'm curious, why are you looking to cool the rear brake? Unless you're drifting you're rear brakes typically less than 30% of the braking force of the car. . . so venting rear rotors isn't going to help much since you're probably not heating them up enough.

In the event you are drifting, have you warped some rotors or something? I haven't heard much about guys running vented rotors on the rear or that there was HUGE advantage to doing so.

headup240 04-17-2013 07:12 AM

This guy on my local forums did CTSV brakes in the front.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...40799809_n.jpg

Future240 04-17-2013 07:42 AM

^That looks quite nice.

crzsteveo 04-17-2013 11:03 AM

so ive seen the altima rear setup and j30, but is there any other alternatives for an s13 rear caliper?

something i can run to the junkyard and pick up or a local auto store?

Turbo Nismo 04-17-2013 11:26 PM

Have any one ever installed Evo VIII/VI rear Brembo calipers on an S14? Any link or thread that could help? Thanks.

xs420240sx 04-18-2013 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane (Post 5230093)
I'm curious, why are you looking to cool the rear brake? Unless you're drifting you're rear brakes typically less than 30% of the braking force of the car. . . so venting rear rotors isn't going to help much since you're probably not heating them up enough.

In the event you are drifting, have you warped some rotors or something? I haven't heard much about guys running vented rotors on the rear or that there was HUGE advantage to doing so.

will be drifting a lot, using the handbrake alot. my car im not worried about, im stock ka, but my friend will be running an ls1 in his 13 coupe and hes using the same brake setup as me so im wondering if un-vented altima rotors will hold up to a v8. were trying to keep the stock ebrake components to get good lock up for drifting and you can keep it locked as a parking brake whereas you cant really do that with a hydro.

xs420240sx 04-18-2013 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crzsteveo (Post 5231664)
so ive seen the altima rear setup and j30, but is there any other alternatives for an s13 rear caliper?

something i can run to the junkyard and pick up or a local auto store?

either the z32s or q45/j30 with a vented rotor, but youll need to adapt the whole parking brake system to your car. those are the easiest junkyard finds

xs420240sx 04-18-2013 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo Nismo (Post 5232762)
Have any one ever installed Evo VIII/VI rear Brembo calipers on an S14? Any link or thread that could help? Thanks.

i dont know if evo rear brembos are different from sti rear brembos but here's this from nico: "Sti rear Brembo with EVO rear rotor and it BOLTS RIGHT UP!! it needs a 3mm spacer here for the correct offset, you need to trim/remove the dust cover thats all, the brembo brake line even screws right in!"
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5402/picture0193fm.jpg

Petitt 04-18-2013 01:02 AM

I'll play. Q45 brakes front and rear, S13. Brakes are off of a 97 Q45.

This shit is cake. The backs bolt right up. The fronts however need a little work. All you have to do is take a step drill bit and bore out the mounting holes in your spindle.

Here's the rear.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps8ba089d9.jpg

And here's the front.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps1a65565e.jpg

Here's the difference in bore size. Bigger one on the left.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...psb41bee92.jpg

All mounted up.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r...ps78f21a75.jpg



Pictures don't really do justice to how big these things really are.

Haven't driven this car yet, but the car I have driven with this setup is awesome. Not as pretty as Z brakes or Brembos, but you can literally walk into a junkyard and get the full setup for less than 100 bucks.

As for master cylinder, I'm using an s14 booster and master combo. I'll upgrade it if need be but I doubt I'll have issues since I'm running the front brakes with the pedal and a hydro to the rear.

Hope this is helpful.

zerodameaon 04-18-2013 01:16 AM

What year Q45 did you use? I have put them on both of my S13s and never had to enlarge bolt holes, direct bolt on. The year info could be helpful for your post.

Petitt 04-18-2013 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerodameaon (Post 5232890)
What year Q45 did you use? I have put them on both of my S13s and never had to enlarge bolt holes, direct bolt on. The year info could be helpful for your post.

96 I believe

zerodameaon 04-18-2013 02:50 AM

Thats strange 90-96 should be a direct bolt on, only reason I ask is because that is a great write up and if someone came across it they should know its for say 97+ Q45s on a S13 etc.

Petitt 04-18-2013 11:14 AM

It could very well be for a newer set. I actually got the brakes with the car, that's why I'm unsure of the exact year. If you're saying you had to do zero modification to 90-96 brakes, I would go on and recant my statement that these are off of a 96 lol

I'll edit the post.

90240sx07 04-18-2013 01:33 PM

anyone have a good writeup on q45 or gtst brakes? been trying to find a good one but seems like i always find half finished ones or not complete

zerodameaon 04-18-2013 03:12 PM

Its just like a normal caliper change with two extra steps, you have to drill your rotors if you are only 4lug, and you have to cut off or otherwise remove the dust shield.

KA24DEvelopment.com :: 240SX Brake Upgrades

This one is for a S14 so change accordingly if you have 4lugs and if you don't run into the bolt length issue don't add spacers.
Q45 Brake Swap (S14) : 240SX Technical Forum

Turbo Nismo 04-22-2013 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xs420240sx (Post 5232839)
i dont know if evo rear brembos are different from sti rear brembos but here's this from nico: "Sti rear Brembo with EVO rear rotor and it BOLTS RIGHT UP!! it needs a 3mm spacer here for the correct offset, you need to trim/remove the dust cover thats all, the brembo brake line even screws right in!"
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5402/picture0193fm.jpg

Thanks for the info. Apparently sti Brembos are different from the evo ones. I still haven't try fitting them on. I hope to work with them on summer.

Shift n Drift 04-22-2013 07:06 PM

any of you guys know of the 2006 M45 rotor with 26mm Z32 front calipers? :hide:

BraveFart 08-27-2013 10:40 PM

I think I have decided to go with the Wilwood forged superlite 4 piston bbk on the front of my ls1 powered s14. Purpose of the car is street use, with a lot of autocross/ track use. Does anyone know what rear brakes would work well with this kit and result in a well balanced setup?

Sumslapper 08-28-2013 01:46 AM

R33 GTS-T Calipers
97-01 Q45 rotors
Circuit sports z32 to s14/s13 conversion lines
Z32 stoptech street pads
All a direct swap, no drama on a s14.

Awesome setup even with the shitty stock bmc.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8266/9...afb12493_c.jpg

cbcm2435 09-01-2013 09:32 AM

im surprised no one has mentioned the akebono z32 brakes


Z1 Motorsports 14" Akebono Big Brake Master Set (300zx)

it is considered a big brake kit on the 300zx so it should be awesome on our cars.

Future240 09-01-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbcm2435 (Post 5401337)
im surprised no one has mentioned the akebono z32 brakes


Z1 Motorsports 14" Akebono Big Brake Master Set (300zx)

it is considered a big brake kit on the 300zx so it should be awesome on our cars.


I forgot about that kit. There was a whole thread on it.
#/f/chat/471466-s14-...brake-kit.html

Oggy 09-12-2013 04:01 PM

Couple questions for you guys. If I wanted to fit better/larger/whatever rotors from a different car, what 'measurments' or specific characteristics do those rotors need to have to properly bolt up to 5 lug 240sx hubs? (Leave the caliper out of the picture for the time being.)

Second, there are plenty of decently priced used brembo BBK's on eBay all the time. Would custom brackets allow these to be mounted to a 240sx, or do they have certain characteristics that would make them never fit?

Some nice ones I have found:
370z Brakes
Cayenne Brakes
Jaguar R Brakes
Or these beauties if you've got the coin:
AMG Brakes

Obviously this is not something I know very much about, so hopefully someone can give me some insight. Before someone asks why I don't just do a Z32 or STI swap, I'd really like to try something a little more unique.

PS I want the 370z ones bad

EDIT: Another competent I was forgetting, wheels. I'm assuming they are the reason these kind of swaps aren't seen as much. Eventually I would want 17" TE's in the front, so I assume 17" wheels will severely limit brake options.

onehundredoctane 09-12-2013 07:07 PM

Oh, hi :)

https://sphotos-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/h...75106759_n.jpg

blueshark123 09-12-2013 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oggy (Post 5413506)
Couple questions for you guys. If I wanted to fit better/larger/whatever rotors from a different car, what 'measurments' or specific characteristics do those rotors need to have to properly bolt up to 5 lug 240sx hubs? (Leave the caliper out of the picture for the time being.)

Second, there are plenty of decently priced used brembo BBK's on eBay all the time. Would custom brackets allow these to be mounted to a 240sx, or do they have certain characteristics that would make them never fit?

Some nice ones I have found:
370z Brakes
Cayenne Brakes
Jaguar R Brakes
Or these beauties if you've got the coin:
AMG Brakes

Obviously this is not something I know very much about, so hopefully someone can give me some insight. Before someone asks why I don't just do a Z32 or STI swap, I'd really like to try something a little more unique.

PS I want the 370z ones bad

EDIT: Another competent I was forgetting, wheels. I'm assuming they are the reason these kind of swaps aren't seen as much. Eventually I would want 17" TE's in the front, so I assume 17" wheels will severely limit brake options.


needs to just be 5x114.3

Future240 09-15-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Future240 (Post 5401386)
I forgot about that kit. There was a whole thread on it.
#/f/chat/471466-s14-...brake-kit.html

I've been searching for more info on this for S14's. anyone find anything? Thinking these with light weight slotted rotors would be killer.

BoosTTed 09-16-2013 07:05 PM

4 Attachment(s)
Here's the brake upgrade for the front of my 93 300ZX. SRT8 Brembos with 370Z 14" drilled & slotted front rotors. I'm working on getting the money together to do my rear brake upgrade which consists of running 90 300ZX NA 26mm calipers and 370Z 14" drilled and slotted rear rotors. They will also retain the factory e-brake. Here's some pictures of the fronts.

Factory front brakes
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7664265b.jpg

Comparison between the factory fronts and the SRT8 Brembos
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...psadf7ce6f.jpg

Now the Brembos installed
http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9e2a6042.jpg

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...psa2f22566.jpg

GarageMaks14 09-16-2013 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane (Post 4630644)
Posted the Grand National caliper last time, finally mounted the Forged Superlite Internal that I'll actually be running :) 1.38" pistons

http://carolinanissans.com/spotlight...1157616124.jpg

Wow when i first saw you pics of your wilwood brakes i thought to myself "willwood brakes are a set up someone who lives in middle of no where america would use like VA or somewhere in the south and not california"

I shit myself laughing when i saw north carolina lol

onehundredoctane 09-17-2013 08:48 AM

Yes. Because Wilwood is only for country bumpkins and California is the capital of the world and every thing is soooo much better there. . ? How's that local government working for ya out there? Sure as hell hope you're not a gun enthusiast living in the most communist state in the U.S., but lets get back on topic

I wonder what you do consider "legit" brakes? Q45? 300zx? Oh yeah, dem oem brake swaps are sooooooo baller (rolls eyes).

Some other country bumpkins that use Wilwoods:

Dai Yoshihara
http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/a...-tire-copy.jpg

Conrad Grunewald:

http://photos.motoiq.com/MotoIQ/Feat...99_LR6XT-L.jpg

Fredric Aasbo:
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...akis-tC-10.jpg

This 1,000 HP Lexus uses Wilwood brakes on all 4 corners. . .
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...LEXUS_4630.jpg
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...R_RX7_4176.jpg

C's Garage of Japan:
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...4_3754_800.jpg

Ryan Tuerk's Camaro:
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...7/tuerck06.jpg
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...7/tuerck20.jpg


(Every drift boi's hero) Matt Powers S14:
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...2/LAR_5779.JPG
http://cdn.speedhunters.com/wp-conte.../03/build6.jpg



So what exaclty were you trying to say again? Only people from the middle of no where use Wilwoods? Eat a dick.

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-20342...obs-g-jwfA.gif

GarageMaks14 09-17-2013 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane (Post 5417994)
California is the capital of the world and every thing is soooo much better there. . ?

Well we all know that already. We don't have he most non native population in the world cause it's sucks here.


Hey look a bunch of sponsored track cars that got wilwood brakes for free! You are mistaken if you aren't aware the same car built in different parts of the country are gonna come out different and end up with diff parts and looks.

It's usually easy to see how a car i built if it was done in the west coast, Florida or the middle of no where like Connecticut. This is often dictated by ease of availability, price and also other parts awareness which usually isn't as much in say a place like Connecticut.

For example a mainstream wheel like overly small but available rpf01 would be found in bfe while say someone on the west coast would be using a aggressive LMGT4 since it's easier to get for us and something even better.

Obvious the legit brake kits are ones the likes of Brembo, Alcon, AP Racing Endless, Project Mu, and even stop tech.


Nobody runs willwood cause they think it's number one. They do cause the price.

West Coast(real deal wheels and legit aftermarket bbk)
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member...67_49_full.jpg

East Coast(faking the funk)
http://g35driver.com/forums/attachme...e-img_4432.jpg

CaptainVlad 09-17-2013 02:00 PM

What our smart friend is trying to say is that when he hard parks, AP racing calipers will look cooler in front of his friends than wilwoods.

(Im about to switch from z32 to wilwood in the front)

GarageMaks14 09-17-2013 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainVlad (Post 5418267)
What our smart friend is trying to say is that when he hard parks, AP racing calipers will look cooler in front of his friends than wilwoods.

(Im about to switch from z32 to wilwood in the front)

or a set of r34's brembo's from a proven brand instead of some honkey tonk bfe set of poverty bbks
http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/u...4268_thumb.jpg

onehundredoctane 09-17-2013 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainVlad (Post 5418267)
What our smart friend is trying to say is that when he hard parks, AP racing calipers will look cooler in front of his friends than wilwoods.

(Im about to switch from z32 to wilwood in the front)

If you need info on my set up, feel free to pm me, I have all the info you need, part numbers, pricing, etc. As far as bang for the buck, you can't beat it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by GarageMaks14 (Post 5418292)
or a set of r34's brembo's from a proven brand instead of some honkey tonk bfe set of poverty bbks
http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/u...4268_thumb.jpg

SMH. "Here are some OEM brakes, they are better than your OEM brakes and painted gold so you know they're better, now take them and replace your OEM brakes with these OEM brakes."

And you're saying sponsored drift teams are all broke and cheap out by getting Wilwood brakes? If they were broke they would just swap OEM brakes like you're claiming is so cool.

I love it man, I love your logic! Keep it up.

GarageMaks14 09-17-2013 03:06 PM

I'm not sure where you get this logic where I prefer OEM brakes over failwood. I prefer real brakes like brembo, project mu, endless over that any day of the week.

What I'm saying is sponsored teams will take any type of free stuff even if they aren't broke. How to you explain teams running wilwood brakes, rota wheels, Varrstoen wheels, Maxis Tires, Megan Racing, Ksport, Mishimoto and so forth.

CaptainVlad 09-17-2013 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane (Post 5418316)
If you need info on my set up, feel free to pm me, I have all the info you need, part numbers, pricing, etc. As far as bang for the buck, you can't beat it.
\

Thanks!

I think I am all squared away, though. I'm going to run the bracket to utilize Z33 track rotors, and I think I know what size pistons I need for the calipers, and the part number for the lines.

I will definitely keep you in mind if anything comes up, thanks for that.

As far as this whole calling Wilwoods "crap" thing, I see plenty of people running them that drive their cars hard, and they do just fine. Also, the Wilwoods are pretty cheap as far as calipers go, light, and pads are both cheaper and thicker. That right there did the trick for me...

onehundredoctane 09-17-2013 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarageMaks14 (Post 5418336)
How to you explain teams running wilwood brakes, rota wheels, Varrstoen wheels, Maxis Tires, Megan Racing, Ksport, Mishimoto and so forth.

Because stopping is more important than anything else. Duh.

PeaceOnesxWai 09-17-2013 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarageMaks14 (Post 5418246)
Brembo, Alcon, AP Racing Endless, Project Mu, and even stop tech.

This just proves how much of a brand whore you are... and that $$ just means the performance of the product

Te37 09-17-2013 04:49 PM

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...D1D6D1EEE1.jpg

GarageMaks14 09-17-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane (Post 5418396)
Because stopping is more important than anything else. Duh.

as u can see by the bs brands listed people will take anything free

CaptainVlad 09-17-2013 05:02 PM

Not to rag on you, but my point exactly. ^^^(TE37s post)

Look at all the cars that run stuff like Wilwoods, and cars such as the one posted above. Chances are those cars that see the road course every weekend with their "redneck" brakes see more brake use in that one day than the ones with the "cool" brakes will see in their whole life.

billyblaze 09-17-2013 05:10 PM

Now back to our regularly scheduled program

I'm looking to get the sti. Brembo for all four corners
I already have the bracket purchase lined up for when
I do
I read the back sti bolts right up
But what rotors and or make would you use?
The same for the front?
I found a few calipers and rotors for all four corners
But the rotors are stock and look like junk so I would
Rather just get the calipers

Sorry if im asking something that has already been answered

Right now for a set of four sti ver7 Brembo calipers $1049 eBay
Thanks in advance
Pms are welcomed


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