Or really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Iraq_War

This war and the debt the Iraq accumulated fighting it lead to the Kuwait invasion, which lead to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arabs requiring US assistance which pissed off Bin Ladin.... and the rest is history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia–Sunni_relations


This has been going on for a very long time, it's only in the last 15 years that the West has given a crap because it's only in the last 15 years that is has mattered to us.


Yes, cause Iran isn't funding terrorism. :bowrofl:

Hood mentality
 

Great song, and so true of the modern black youth. I found this so funny: http://www.complex.com/music/2014/01...lmes-interview

Yes its from Complex Mag. but once in a while they have some good articles. The reason I equated gangs and terrorism is the effect it has on a community and how it destroys everyone. This country can spend billions fighting the Al-Qaida , but cant solve or empower the local populous to fight and demand change! People ran to the polls for change and got what? Look up the amount of violence that happen in Chicago over the recent 4 July weekend. I wish the military could mobilize to help the police.

Back on Topic!

If the Palestinian people want a land of there own, they must call for a truce with Israel. Address Hamas and there supporters, and ask for UN to define the borders of their new country. They could us the deal the U.S. brokered in 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit

Any other suggestions guys?

Israel Invading Palestine
 

The real answer is that the Palestinians should take whatever Israel gives them and sit the fuck down.

Going to the UN is idiocy. The UN is strongly anti-semitic and anti-Israeli. They will draw up some idiotic lines based off pre-post war annexations and expect Israel to give up settlements.

The fact is the Palestinians and the Arab world lack the power to get rid of Israel and defeat them in conflict. The Palestinians lost, they need to deal with that. Israel will give them a fair deal and respect the deal that they (Israel) offers. Sure it may feel like eating a shit sandwich, but if Palestine wants peace, take one for the team and let Israel keep the annex lands.

Then maybe Palestine can work with Israel to bring economic prosperity to the region and improve the lives of its people.

^ With out disrespect, but you know nothing about whats going on out there at all. I'm not saying this because i watch fox news. I'm saying this because i have family there, i been ther and its my country i care more and know more than you do!!

To answer your last post,

There is not really a "Arab world" that support the palastine. "Only the lebnanese (Hizb Alah) that support the palastine fighters and thats because of the Mosque.

All the other Arab countries such as Jordan, Algeria, Saudi "Arabia", Qatar and a lot more are on their knees sucking Isreals dick.

This is 2014 Not 1970 when then the old presidents of these countries I mentioned above USED to support palastine.

But like I said, please don't try to educate me of what's real or not, because I been to all over the middle east and I know what exactlly they are.

Again I'm replying from my phone, so excuse my grammar.

This is what I have said repeatedly. Oh and in fact the only support the other countries in the region ever gave the Palestinians. Was more mere lip service that anything. Merely pawns in the fight against Israel.

Sure, whatever. You even make a fox news quip.


That makes no sense what so ever especially since we are talking about Palestine and you are claiming to be from Iraq. Guess which country I have friends in and do business with.



Would the term "Islamic World" make you feel better? I also didn't say anything about "supporting Palestine", anyone smart enough to wipe their own ass can see past the Islamic "our brothers" rhetoric. Where was all the Middle Eastern love during the 2004 Tsunami? The worlds largest Islamic nation gets wiped out and Saudi Arabia couldn't even sign a check for 100million. OMFG, look out, one of the wealthiest nations in the world is handing out a 30m check!


Good.

Yeah, so where them Palestinians getting rockets, motors and machine guns? Was it 1970 when Saddam launched Scud Missiles on Israel and tired to convince the, ahem, Muslim World to go to war with Israel again?

Have the on going boarder classes with Lebanon and Syria all been in the 1970s? Was 1970 only 8 years ago when Israel went to war with Lebanon?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Lebanese_conflict


So tell me, which country has a populous that openly loves and accepts the jewish state Israel? Just because Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan realized it's better to make money and deal with the US than it is to fight with Israel doesn't mean there is any love'n going on.

Yes, we all know the Palestinians are pawns - but that doesn't mean the make the world a jewish friendly place.

Clearly ware on opposite sides of this issue. No need to try and "Educate" me.

Do you use wikipedia a lot?

You seem like a bit ignorant, so i will just stop right here. I hate wasting my time

With no disrespect I think you have no idea what you are talking about and are just sorely biased against Israel. So sorry that Wikipedia is an easy reference source for general information when typing in the googles for a quick link.

(As a side note the term "ignorant" implies that one is without knowledge, not that they are incapable of learning or unwilling to learn. This would mean you absolutely would not be wasting your time to educate them.)

Also, believe it or not, Wikipedia has been proven rather accurate and no more biased then any other OPINION of events. When you grow up you will realize there is no such thing as the truth, only perspectives of events.

As I said early on, the US has KILLED LOTS OF CIVILIANS in the name of "fighting terrorism", Obama and Kerry included - however because it's politically convenient they now have their panties in a bunch over some dead Palestinians.

Where is the outrage over Syria? Oh, that's last years.

Here, does the Huffington Posst Post make you feel better?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...0728/ml-syria/



Personally I think the administration is using Israel as a distraction from the Russian-Ukrainian issues which they have no sound solution for.

Wow this has turn ugly! Civil Debate Please, maybe I'm stupid! Who is up for solving the World's problem or putting a giant ban aid on the situation for the next generation to solve! The main problem with the conflict is there will be no generation left if we wait. A couple hundred kids a year die on both sides, add in a natural disaster or disease anything is possible. I'll grab the popcorn!

I had to highlight your some of your statements in your post in bold Corbic. Because as horrific this ongoing (seems like going to be forever lasting) battle in the Middle East period...not just Israel v. Palestine, but the entire region. The US is simply looking for a timeout, a half time show. I'm not trying to downplay the significance of this event over the Russian-Ukrainian situation, but seriously...most probably forgot about the Russian-Ukrainian situation in this mist of wildness.

Remember Syria?, halftime show...Afghanistan? Pre-grame show for Iraq theater. Palestine v. Israel? I truly believe the US have no interest over there, besides the fact that I believe they're only interested in this conflict to possibly to buy a timeout from the RUS-UKR incident.

Time for a 7 year bump to this never-ending conflict...

Biden, getting things back to normal...

jews gettin beat the fuck up by palestinian mobs, police aint arresting, DA letting people go

yep... sounds like normal US-of-A to me.

"come on, man"

That's all fucking stupid.

It's a concentration camp with a population of half children. Israel constantly steals more territory. and puts more people into less space as they steal those people's space. We know how this book ends.

So when the concentration camp elects their resistance fighters into formal office, what does that change, except israel's pretext? They're the victims, they can fight any way they want.

You, a safe bootlicker on the other side of the world, talking about strategy (meaning shut up and take it) for ghetto inmates on the other side of the world, is shameful. Palestine has a right to exist, and a right to fight their oppressors.

Imagine what this cuck would have said about the warsaw ghetto uprising. Just wait it out and be cool, why are you antagonizing them?

Or of david and goliath?

Just sit down, says the cuck.

So if the Gaza Strip is now a "concentration camp", then what does that make Hamas and Hezbollah... the SS Prison Guards?

If the argument is the land known as Israel today belongs to the people called Palestinians, well, that's just retarded.

As recent as 1900 that region belonged to Turkey (Ottoman Empire).

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ey0IxlvtuV...es_1900_lg.jpg

After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in 1920, the region belonged to the newly formed Jordan and Syria.

http://geocrusader80.blogspot.com/20...ic-states.html

So with that said, the tell here is two fold.

First, the Pinochet Effect - where everyone was up and arms over the dude but silent on all the other dictators of the world -with absolutely far more abhorrent human rights records.

Same is true for Israel.

All the people crying about stolen land, home land rights and ancient borders for Palestine, are dead silent when it comes to Kurds, Armenians, Tibet, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Falklands, Crimea, Ukraine, Poland, Sudetenland, Texas, Korea, Manchuria, Kashmir, Rhodesia, South Africa and probably a billion total displaced people around the world.

The other big red flag is in the Palestinian demands. They had an opportunity for a one state solution and accept becoming Israelis, but have endlessly rejected this wanting two states.

Now they have that - but the leadership needs the strife to continue to remain in power and their openly stated ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel and the Genocide of the Jewish people. Not exactly a rational or realistic goal.

Their actions are also very transparent. They launch attacks against Israeli civilians knowing it will invoke retaliation. If they targeted exclusively soldiers and military targets - you might see Israelis reflecting on reducing militarization. But no, it's always Civilians, ensuring the populous demands military reaction.

Palestine then ensure the perpetrators of these attacks are centered in dense population centers like schools, hospitals and most recently, news stations - using human shields and hoping for death and chaos.

This then feeds their warped propaganda that Israel is a bunch of child killing fascists - gaining support from the Palestinian population and drawing world sympathy (and money).

Hamas knows it can't topple Israel, they want a massive regional conflict and to sucker in the other Arab states to do this for them.

Sums it up.

https://i.imgur.com/TH131s7.jpg

Don't include Taiwan in this discussion with regards to stolen land, homeland rights, and ancient borders.

Why, it's literally the exact same situation.

China (Palestine) is claiming it's theirs even though historically Taiwan (Israel) has the historically further back claim.

However, China (Palestine) argue that ancient claim is voided since they at one point had occupied it - never mind they lost their occupation rights hundreds of years ago to other invading empires (Japan, Ottomans).

History of Taiwan is that Qing Dynasty conquered it in the 17th Century however Japan had also been trying to claim ownership since then. Japan eventually seized control and ruled Taiwan from 1895 until Imperial Japan's collapse in 1945. In 1949, Taiwan became a separate country following the Chinese Civil War.

The CCP has never owned Taiwan and the last claim the mainland had was signed away after the Sino-Japanese war in 1895.

So this is just like how the Palestinians, who are not the original ancient holders of Israel, for the last 500 years have had no autonomous rule or control over the region, and today have no autonomous rule or control over the region.

So how again are they (China, Palestine) entitled to it?

It's not, but you are missing several key points.

Preface: my family is from Taiwan, half of my heritage is intimately tied to the Chinese Civil War.

What you are conveniently leaving out is the history prior to the 17th Century, the period from 1945-1949, as well as the current government and status quo.

You also leave out the reason why the ROC was allowed to survive post-1949, which was the outbreak of the Korean War and the subsequent deployment of the US 7th Fleet to prevent China from invading Taiwan. At the same time, it also made the split permanent.

I can type a lot more about this but the background and stories are NOT parallel to what is going on in Palestine. Taiwan is made up of 3 large groups of people: aborigines, "Taiwanese" circa 1600s to 1895 (and their descendents), and "mainlanders" circa 1945-1950.

With regards to land claim, you conveniently left out the Treaty of San Francisco of 1951 in which Japan renounces its rights post-1901 for Taiwan/Korea/Hong Kong/etc. As for who the legitimate government of China is (covering the periods during which Taiwan was inhabited), it would be Ming Dynasty > Ching Dynasty > Republic of China (1911-1949) > People's Republic of China (1950-)

Taiwan did not become "a separate country following the Chinese Civil War" as so many people seem to think. It simply became the home of what is left of the Republic of China.

Keep filling in the blanks via Wikipedia, it's not as simple as you make it out to be.

I'm aware of all of this shaving studied the CCP 15 years ago. Your argument, that Taiwan, theainland and CCP have a complicated history in the 20th century doesn't change anything. The same is true for the middle east.

The end result is China (CCP) claims all historical regions are still part of China (CCP) and all "Chinese People" still belong to China.


Pretty much the same argument that Adolf Hitler and thr Nazis made - all German People and previous German territory belong to Germany.

This again mimicks the Palestinian claim that all once Arab/Islamic land is now always Arab/Islamic.


So do you belive the Intel that suggests China will try to retake Taiwan this decade?

Will it be Germany taking the Sudetenland or will it be the Invasion of Poland?

China also, long term, wants to take all of Asia with Indochina next on the list (Vietnam).

I was going to respond to your post but your last point is just flat out absurd.

I'm not going to entertain replying to this anymore. China's leadership is stupid but they're not insane.

I'd consider genocide, concentration camps, Islamic conversion therapy, organ harvesting, 1 child policy, 3 child policy, etc to all be insane..


You realize China did invade Vietnam in 1979...

And continues to carve off land near India with fatal boarder skirmishes and the whole BS with the South China Sea.

Do you doubt China wants to invade Taiwan? Do you support that and their end to the Two-System policy in HK?