i just made a decision about my s13

[aqwkmf]

after so thinking i've decicded not to mod the 240 or put a kit on it. im going to start saving for my dream car. a FD3S. instead of droping money in to the 240 ill save the money and hopefully by the time im 21 ill have one.

btw....does any one care?

[wherezmytofu]

the 240sx is a great plateform...and rember the rx-7 is a 3klb car like the 300zx comeone man....i will admit 2 a smoother body form and rotory is just the ish....but the rotory will last as long as a 12k reving ka24 &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[240meowth]

if you really look at it, a car is the only investment you won't get much return on. &nbsp;might as well invest in something that might have a return...

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240meowth @ May 17 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if you really look at it, a car is the only investment you won't get much return on. might as well invest in something that might have a return...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
true....but u know the idea why get a $ car and fix it up when u can gto a cheaper car and fix it up witht he same amount or less and get the same speed....well thats just on way of thinking about it &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[aqwkmf]

i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'> . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, tofu, you sound like if he doesn't stick with the 240 he's goin to hell or something <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
They aren't the best car in the world...

I'd take the 7 over the supra...just more my style. &nbsp;I'm used to everything I own breaking anyway, the 7 would just feel right. &nbsp;Besides its damn sexy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> you'll pick up mad fly honey's in that thing...

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, tofu, you sound like if he doesn't stick with the 240 he's goin to hell or something <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
They aren't the best car in the world...

I'd take the 7 over the supra...just more my style. I'm used to everything I own breaking anyway, the 7 would just feel right. Besides its damn sexy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> you'll pick up mad fly honey's in that thing...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
UR GOING 2 hell BISH!....where is tnord, ace and duff! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, tofu, you sound like if he doesn't stick with the 240 he's goin to hell or something <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
They aren't the best car in the world...

I'd take the 7 over the supra...just more my style. I'm used to everything I own breaking anyway, the 7 would just feel right. Besides its damn sexy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> you'll pick up mad fly honey's in that thing...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
UR GOING 2 hell BISH!....where is tnord, ace and duff! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't look at travis for help on this...

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, tofu, you sound like if he doesn't stick with the 240 he's goin to hell or something <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
They aren't the best car in the world...

I'd take the 7 over the supra...just more my style. I'm used to everything I own breaking anyway, the 7 would just feel right. Besides its damn sexy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> you'll pick up mad fly honey's in that thing...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
UR GOING 2 hell BISH!....where is tnord, ace and duff! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't look at travis for help on this...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
FINE I'LL SEND U 2 hell MYSELF, *TAKES OUT CHINA ISSUE AK &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, tofu, you sound like if he doesn't stick with the 240 he's goin to hell or something <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
They aren't the best car in the world...

I'd take the 7 over the supra...just more my style. I'm used to everything I own breaking anyway, the 7 would just feel right. Besides its damn sexy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> you'll pick up mad fly honey's in that thing...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
UR GOING 2 hell BISH!....where is tnord, ace and duff! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't look at travis for help on this...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
nah... travis will supposedly keep his S14 if my project works: the sub $1k turbo. &nbsp;It just means he'll use the S14 as the daily driver and still get the spec-miata.

My thoughts?? &nbsp;If you have to be a penny pincher just to get an RX-7, you probably shouldn't be getting an RX-7.....

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 18 2002,01:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 18 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 17 2002,11:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO:love: . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof. the 7 is alot less reliable though:whatthe: . $20,000 and 4 years from now and i will get a true sports car. thats $420/month for the next 48 monthes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yess the stoke bottem end of the tt supra is bulletprofe...but so is the 300zx.....and the with the $ ucan make the ka bullet proff 2</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, tofu, you sound like if he doesn't stick with the 240 he's goin to hell or something <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
They aren't the best car in the world...

I'd take the 7 over the supra...just more my style. I'm used to everything I own breaking anyway, the 7 would just feel right. Besides its damn sexy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> you'll pick up mad fly honey's in that thing...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
UR GOING 2 hell BISH!....where is tnord, ace and duff! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't look at travis for help on this...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
nah... travis will supposedly keep his S14 if my project works: the sub $1k turbo. It just means he'll use the S14 as the daily driver and still get the spec-miata.

My thoughts?? If you have to be a penny pincher just to get an RX-7, you probably shouldn't be getting an RX-7.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
*takes out second clip

[adey]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 18 2002,8:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont know yet..i want either a MKIV TT supra or a FD3S RX-7
i fd3s are the most beautiful and unique sports car IMO <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> . The supra is also a beautiful sports car that is bulletproof.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
please don't ever mention the Supra and FD3S in the same line ever again; the FD is undoubtedly the more beautiful of the two cars! -- and no, that statement can not be challenged.
Why you're looking at the 2JZ-GTE puzzles me; especially since people like Top Secret and JUN are putting RB26DETTs in supra shells. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[MrMigs]

Cool, an FD. Maybe you could sell the front end of your s13 to Jeremy, ha ha ha.

You still going to canyon run with me and esteban tho, right?

[rotaryknight]

Hmmmm FD3S? &nbsp;Well first of all if you do get an FD you will have to learn about cars VERY fast. &nbsp;Also if you think modifying a 240sx is expensive, for an FD, things cost 3x as much and 3x as often you have to fix something.

The only reason why I bring this up is that I know of 4 kids that bought FD's cheap....blew the motor within 5 monthes and had to sell the car becasue they did not have the money to fix it. &nbsp;Remember some FD owners spend 6k annualy for maintanance.

I've had my FD since the end of 97 and i've been lucky. &nbsp;I'm only on my 3rd motor...i have some friends on their 5-7th. &nbsp;It's a great car when it is running but again if you are not a car guy this is not the car for you. &nbsp;

Yup it's pretty and you can make it fast but there are tons of things that can go wrong.....

Also if you do blow the motor this is what can happen: &nbsp;Usually it is the Apex seal that breaks or shatters...when it does blow oh its way out of the motor it can scratch your housing or scratch a rotor.....neither of which can be fixed only replaced. &nbsp;Also when the shard of carbon seal comes out it can damage your turbine.

Just some cost....a seal/gasket kit is 900.00 a new rotor housing is 750.00. &nbsp;A usual rebuild just to make the car stock again is about $3500.00 and you do this BEFORE you blow your motor. &nbsp;If you blow your motor it's pretty much too late.

If you can just afford the FD don't get it you want to make sure that you have at least 4-5k on the side for problems.

I don't want to burst your bubble but you don't "play" with a rotary..they are not forgiving.

[Bbandit]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 19 2002,02:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmmm FD3S? Well first of all if you do get an FD you will have to learn about cars VERY fast. Also if you think modifying a 240sx is expensive, for an FD, things cost 3x as much and 3x as often you have to fix something.

The only reason why I bring this up is that I know of 4 kids that bought FD's cheap....blew the motor within 5 monthes and had to sell the car becasue they did not have the money to fix it. Remember some FD owners spend 6k annualy for maintanance.

I've had my FD since the end of 97 and i've been lucky. I'm only on my 3rd motor...i have some friends on their 5-7th. It's a great car when it is running but again if you are not a car guy this is not the car for you.

Yup it's pretty and you can make it fast but there are tons of things that can go wrong.....

Also if you do blow the motor this is what can happen: Usually it is the Apex seal that breaks or shatters...when it does blow oh its way out of the motor it can scratch your housing or scratch a rotor.....neither of which can be fixed only replaced. Also when the shard of carbon seal comes out it can damage your turbine.

Just some cost....a seal/gasket kit is 900.00 a new rotor housing is 750.00. A usual rebuild just to make the car stock again is about $3500.00 and you do this BEFORE you blow your motor. If you blow your motor it's pretty much too late.

If you can just afford the FD don't get it you want to make sure that you have at least 4-5k on the side for problems.

I don't want to burst your bubble but you don't "play" with a rotary..they are not forgiving.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
whew... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'>
thank god i didnt bought that 2nd gen rx7 turbo for 4g last month &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 19 2002,03:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmmmm FD3S? Well first of all if you do get an FD you will have to learn about cars VERY fast. Also if you think modifying a 240sx is expensive, for an FD, things cost 3x as much and 3x as often you have to fix something.

The only reason why I bring this up is that I know of 4 kids that bought FD's cheap....blew the motor within 5 monthes and had to sell the car becasue they did not have the money to fix it. Remember some FD owners spend 6k annualy for maintanance.

I've had my FD since the end of 97 and i've been lucky. I'm only on my 3rd motor...i have some friends on their 5-7th. It's a great car when it is running but again if you are not a car guy this is not the car for you.

Yup it's pretty and you can make it fast but there are tons of things that can go wrong.....

Also if you do blow the motor this is what can happen: Usually it is the Apex seal that breaks or shatters...when it does blow oh its way out of the motor it can scratch your housing or scratch a rotor.....neither of which can be fixed only replaced. Also when the shard of carbon seal comes out it can damage your turbine.

Just some cost....a seal/gasket kit is 900.00 a new rotor housing is 750.00. A usual rebuild just to make the car stock again is about $3500.00 and you do this BEFORE you blow your motor. If you blow your motor it's pretty much too late.

If you can just afford the FD don't get it you want to make sure that you have at least 4-5k on the side for problems.

I don't want to burst your bubble but you don't "play" with a rotary..they are not forgiving.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank God I didn't buy one. I was really pushing to get one and couldn't find one. My second choice was a VR4 Gallant but I heard they have electrical gremlins so I stayed away. Guess my search for the perfect car will stay on hold and I will just have to enjoy the 240 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> j/k

The same applies to the SR. &nbsp;You better learn real fast how to work on it and get a service manual. &nbsp;A Nissan dealership won't touch 'em and most specialty shops charge an arm and a leg to work on it ($75/hr-$100/hr) Thank God they are reliable (as reliable as most engines) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Firelance]

Actually the 2nd gen RX-7 turbos are much more reliable. I'm looking into getting one of those personally.

3 engines in 5 years whoa! I had no idea they were that bad, I'd imagine that with 3mm reinforced seals the engine would last longer than two years average?

3000 pounds? I don't know where you got the number from but I thought the FD's were 2800 and up? Not to far from the 240sx and you've still got the great weight distribution.

[DSC]

Yeah, the FD3S weighs 28xxlbs. &nbsp;Less than 100lbs more than our car and with that much more power...

[mistert]

yeah i was about to say, FD's are more like 2700-2800, and can be lightened to below 2500 without way too much difficulty

the FD is a great car but yeah it's not going to just cost you the 10-12k, modding them is expensive compared to other turbo cars, and you need to know what you're doing and be prepared to pay for rebuilds and new engines. luckily because they are replaced so much they arent all that expensive to get a new short-block (haha, if you could call it that).

you dont just need to save the money up to buy one, you need to have a steady enough income flow to maintain it too, and alot more if you plan on actually modding it

[aqwkmf]

god damn guys let me explain.

i've loved the fd since i was 12. im 17 now. i have a friend how had one back then. thats when i realized i wanted one. unfortunaly his got stolen and striped.

since then i've been on the rx7 forum researching rx7s. you would be amazed at the stuff i know about 7s. i have stacks of books, manuals, pics and crap for 7s....shit i got a series 5 13b motor siting in my back yard. i've already taken one apart. so u cant say i dont know my shit about 7s

i almost bought a 86 GXL, 87 Sport, 88 TII, and 90 GTU, but they didnt meet my standards so i passed them up.

i also know fds are expensive to maintain/fix/mod. thats why im going to wait until im 20 or 21 to get one. ill be fresh out of college and Air Force ROTC as a commisioned officer so ill definatly have a steady income.

trust me rotaryknight. i know my 7s and have thought it over many times well.

[zephyr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 18 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">god damn guys let me explain.

i've loved the fd since i was 12. im 17 now. i have a friend how had one back then. thats when i realized i wanted one. unfortunaly his got stolen and striped.

since then i've been on the rx7 forum researching rx7s. you would be amazed at the stuff i know about 7s. i have stacks of books, manuals, pics and crap for 7s....shit i got a series 5 13b motor siting in my back yard. i've already taken one apart. so u cant say i dont know my shit about 7s

i almost bought a 86 GXL, 87 Sport, 88 TII, and 90 GTU, but they didnt meet my standards so i passed them up.

i also know fds are expensive to maintain/fix/mod. thats why im going to wait until im 20 or 21 to get one. ill be fresh out of college and Air Force ROTC as a commisioned officer so ill definatly have a steady income.

trust me rotaryknight. i know my 7s and have thought it over many times well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
don't take it as an insult, its just that when people know about something they say EVERYTHING they know about it, its a self esteem thing and we all do it. &nbsp;pllllleeeeese dont start an arguement &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 19 2002,9:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">god damn guys let me explain.

i've loved the fd since i was 12. im 17 now. i have a friend how had one back then. thats when i realized i wanted one. unfortunaly his got stolen and striped.

since then i've been on the rx7 forum researching rx7s. you would be amazed at the stuff i know about 7s. i have stacks of books, manuals, pics and crap for 7s....shit i got a series 5 13b motor siting in my back yard. i've already taken one apart. so u cant say i dont know my shit about 7s

i almost bought a 86 GXL, 87 Sport, 88 TII, and 90 GTU, but they didnt meet my standards so i passed them up.

i also know fds are expensive to maintain/fix/mod. thats why im going to wait until im 20 or 21 to get one. ill be fresh out of college and Air Force ROTC as a commisioned officer so ill definatly have a steady income.

trust me rotaryknight. i know my 7s and have thought it over many times well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well good luck to you...remember it's not only about know how but having the money to pay for things. &nbsp;I spend tons of money on the car and I have decided to not rebuild it. &nbsp;Also depending where you live if you have smog, FD do not pass smog with modifications.

I'm glad that you have done your research but my warning still stands. &nbsp;As far as an FD i've been there done that with almost every problem. &nbsp;I even went to a single T04S eliminating the problems with the twin sequential system. &nbsp;My biggest head ache was the suspension bushings going out.

The FD is money and know how....remember the 3 mod rule...after intake, downpipe and exhaust you have to get a fuel computer either Apex'i Power FC, HKS FCON S or Haltech.

Don't get too ahead of yourself....you may know in theory what problems you may incounter but when you actually own a FD and things start breaking.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[Grant]

you dont really seemed to have any interest in the s13, so you might as well, get what you want, and yes it is true, what you invest in your car, you will never really get out of it. &nbsp;For the money you put in your car to make it better, you can already have a better car to begin with. But then again, why bother fixing up a car at all right?

But there's different takes to it, fixing it up, putting time and effort into it is quite rewarding, as the outcomes may be a result of something you accomplished. I'm pretty sure I might end up with a BMW M3 or Audi S4 many years from now <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>, but in the end, doing what I do to the 240sx gives me experience, and knowledge, which in my opinion are just a couple of valuable things you learn when modding a car.

[Coldsun]

Ok time for the voice of reason...
well okay not really, i can jus state my opinion here but...

The FD3S is super cool... if i could have one shit i would... but its true like ace said, if you are gonna be saving and saving, its kinda wack...
The FD3S and supra are both cool, but i'd choose the FD3S they are alot sweet all of a sudden to me...

If you manage to save up the money , i'd get it, but your current car is sweet to, hmm this is a coin flipper... good luck
-Sun

[luey02]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 20 2002,05:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 19 2002,9:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">god damn guys let me explain.

i've loved the fd since i was 12. im 17 now. i have a friend how had one back then. thats when i realized i wanted one. unfortunaly his got stolen and striped.

since then i've been on the rx7 forum researching rx7s. you would be amazed at the stuff i know about 7s. i have stacks of books, manuals, pics and crap for 7s....shit i got a series 5 13b motor siting in my back yard. i've already taken one apart. so u cant say i dont know my shit about 7s

i almost bought a 86 GXL, 87 Sport, 88 TII, and 90 GTU, but they didnt meet my standards so i passed them up.

i also know fds are expensive to maintain/fix/mod. thats why im going to wait until im 20 or 21 to get one. ill be fresh out of college and Air Force ROTC as a commisioned officer so ill definatly have a steady income.

trust me rotaryknight. i know my 7s and have thought it over many times well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well good luck to you...remember it's not only about know how but having the money to pay for things. I spend tons of money on the car and I have decided to not rebuild it. Also depending where you live if you have smog, FD do not pass smog with modifications.

I'm glad that you have done your research but my warning still stands. As far as an FD i've been there done that with almost every problem. I even went to a single T04S eliminating the problems with the twin sequential system. My biggest head ache was the suspension bushings going out.

The FD is money and know how....remember the 3 mod rule...after intake, downpipe and exhaust you have to get a fuel computer either Apex'i Power FC, HKS FCON S or Haltech.

Don't get too ahead of yourself....you may know in theory what problems you may incounter but when you actually own a FD and things start breaking.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
rotary, aren't you glad that your shit got stolen? &nbsp;just kidding.. &nbsp;the top stolen cars in US are integra, jeep wrangler, prelude. &nbsp;just thought you might like to know.

aqw, by the time you're 21, the 350z will probably be in your budge also.. &nbsp; there'll be more options.

[aqwkmf]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ May 20 2002,07:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 20 2002,05:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ May 19 2002,9:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">god damn guys let me explain.

i've loved the fd since i was 12. im 17 now. i have a friend how had one back then. thats when i realized i wanted one. unfortunaly his got stolen and striped.

since then i've been on the rx7 forum researching rx7s. you would be amazed at the stuff i know about 7s. i have stacks of books, manuals, pics and crap for 7s....shit i got a series 5 13b motor siting in my back yard. i've already taken one apart. so u cant say i dont know my shit about 7s

i almost bought a 86 GXL, 87 Sport, 88 TII, and 90 GTU, but they didnt meet my standards so i passed them up.

i also know fds are expensive to maintain/fix/mod. thats why im going to wait until im 20 or 21 to get one. ill be fresh out of college and Air Force ROTC as a commisioned officer so ill definatly have a steady income.

trust me rotaryknight. i know my 7s and have thought it over many times well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well good luck to you...remember it's not only about know how but having the money to pay for things. I spend tons of money on the car and I have decided to not rebuild it. Also depending where you live if you have smog, FD do not pass smog with modifications.

I'm glad that you have done your research but my warning still stands. As far as an FD i've been there done that with almost every problem. I even went to a single T04S eliminating the problems with the twin sequential system. My biggest head ache was the suspension bushings going out.

The FD is money and know how....remember the 3 mod rule...after intake, downpipe and exhaust you have to get a fuel computer either Apex'i Power FC, HKS FCON S or Haltech.

Don't get too ahead of yourself....you may know in theory what problems you may incounter but when you actually own a FD and things start breaking.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
rotary, aren't you glad that your shit got stolen? just kidding.. the top stolen cars in US are integra, jeep wrangler, prelude. just thought you might like to know.

aqw, by the time you're 21, the 350z will probably be in your budge also.. there'll be more options.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
point taken <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[DuffMan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ May 18 2002,11:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They aren't the best car in the world...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
W-w-what??? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ May 20 2002,07:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">rotary, aren't you glad that your shit got stolen? just kidding.. the top stolen cars in US are integra, jeep wrangler, prelude. just thought you might like to know.

aqw, by the time you're 21, the 350z will probably be in your budge also.. there'll be more options.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Uh no....Actually if i didn't get screwed by my insurance company it wouldn't have been that bad. &nbsp;But I think I lost like 10k on the deal. &nbsp;REMEMBER always let your insurance company know what you have even if it costs more.

Retail price (not that i actually paid for it all or retail for that matter) of all the mods on my car were 35k.....lost a lot of money.

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 20 2002,04:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't get too ahead of yourself....you may know in theory what problems you may incounter but when you actually own a FD and things start breaking.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe... so true. &nbsp;You can read all about the common problems of the FD and think that you'll know what to expect but it's nothing like the real thing. &nbsp;Just remember the 3 of 4 rule... if there's 4 things that you need to reach on the FD to do what you need to do, you'll be able to reach 3 with ease but you'll have to take half the car apart to get to the 4th. &nbsp;I think this was the theme Mazda engineers thought up when the designed the car... &nbsp;changing spark plugs is always fun. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

FD is a great car and all but you have to be pretty careful with it; parts cost an 2 arms and a leg... &nbsp;that's why I've been thinking of getting a fastback 240sx to play with. &nbsp;When I see parts for 240s, parts seem so cheap in comparison. &nbsp;I'm amazed when I see a Blitz fmic for <$1k.

[rotaryknight]

AHAHA Marc you bitch get off the forum...stupid rotary owner.

aqwkmf- Well there you go potato is another FD owner who is fed up with the unreliability of his FD and looking to get a 240sx as a beater just like i did.

Most FD owners end up not daily driving their cars....i did for 4 years then it got stolen...but it was a major pain in the ass to do it.

[Ni5mo180SX]

You dont plan on modding the S13 but wanna get an FD? You need a good amount of exp. with modding and working on cars and such to switch over to any RX7 and make it last. Rotaryknight, im guessing you also post on rx7forum. The avg. life span of a 13B-REW, driven hard but well taken care of is about 90k-120k so it surprised me to hear you're on your third.

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,02:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You dont plan on modding the S13 but wanna get an FD? You need a good amount of exp. with modding and working on cars and such to switch over to any RX7 and make it last.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hehe, so I guess it'd be easier for me to switch to the S13 from the FD? All my friends make fun of me and tell me I'm taking a severe downgrade when I tell them I want a fastback but oh well... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> It's not actually that I've even had any serious problems with my car, it's just the potential for problems that bothers me. &nbsp;I'm a little hesitant to push the car too much...

[drifterX87]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">please don't ever mention the Supra and FD3S in the same line ever again; the FD is undoubtedly the more beautiful of the two cars! -- and no, that statement can not be challenged.
Why you're looking at the 2JZ-GTE puzzles me; especially since people like Top Secret and JUN are putting RB26DETTs in supra shells. &nbsp; </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

DAH! &nbsp;You can go to hell also! &nbsp;Do you ever hear of 7's Running in Wangan!?!?! NO!!! Its usually GTR, Supras, Silvias, Ferrari's, Porsche, Other fast cars that are RELIABLE, Wangan costs a lot, so not that many people use Rotary engines. &nbsp;And never talk about the Supra not lookin as good as the 7!!!! BS!!! &nbsp; Top secret and Jun do that to show how good they are with cars. &nbsp;The 2JZ has one of the best tranny's and is a Super Powerplant!!!! &nbsp;GAH!!! &nbsp;

Mike!

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ May 22 2002,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">DAH! You can go to hell also! Do you ever hear of 7's Running in Wangan!?!?! NO!!! Its usually GTR, Supras, Silvias, Ferrari's, Porsche, Other fast cars that are RELIABLE, Wangan costs a lot, so not that many people use Rotary engines. And never talk about the Supra not lookin as good as the 7!!!! BS!!! Top secret and Jun do that to show how good they are with cars. The 2JZ has one of the best tranny's and is a Super Powerplant!!!! GAH!!!

Mike!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Never heard/cared about Wagan, but I do know that a Mazda Rotary won a 24 hour of LeMans race, if that does'nt prove reliability then I don't know what will. Saying one car is better looking then the other as if it was a fact is just fruity though.

[hideyoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">DAH! You can go to hell also! Do you ever hear of 7's Running in Wangan!?!?! NO!!! Its usually GTR, Supras, Silvias, Ferrari's, Porsche, Other fast cars that are RELIABLE, Wangan costs a lot, so not that many people use Rotary engines.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Modded FDs run on the Wangan all the time. They can hold their own against a GTR. Yet to see a Ferrari run on the Wangan at least when I was in Japan.

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,02:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Rotaryknight, im guessing you also post on rx7forum. The avg. life span of a 13B-REW, driven hard but well taken care of is about 90k-120k so it surprised me to hear you're on your third.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually Avg. life span of a rotary if driven hard is even if taken care of is 60k. There are not too many FD that are over 80k with the first motor. Yes I am lucky to be on my third. Like I said I have some friends who are on 7.

And I do use my same TAG on the rx7forum.

Rotaries are not something to play around with if you are not comfortable with cars....and as far as going cheap....Rx-7 and cheap mods....really don't belong in the same sentance.

[Ni5mo180SX]

potato- yea it probably would be easier with the S13. I wouldnt consider it a downgrade going to the 240 though. It handles really well and has a good amount of power potential. Not as much as the FD but still up there.
Rotaryknight- Yea if its the original engine I wouldnt be surprised hearing it go out at around 60, but what happened to your 2nd?? Who did the rebuild on it? The avg. for rebuilt motors on the forum is about 90k-120k.

DrifterX87, rotary's arent reliable huh? THats why the only Japanese manufacturer to have ever won Le Mans was Mazda using its 2.6 liter 4 rotor 787B putting out about 700hp at 9kRPM N/A.

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,2:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Rotaryknight- Yea if its the original engine I wouldnt be surprised hearing it go out at around 60, but what happened to your 2nd?? Who did the rebuild on it? The avg. for rebuilt motors on the forum is about 90k-120k.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't know what rebuild you're talking about but rebuilds don't make the car stronger. &nbsp;The fact that people change to either thicker or different material apex seals does help but the fact is when you have a rotaty you drive hard.

Most people do a street port at the same time they do a rebuild.......so they end up driving even harder after they get it.

My 2nd motor was a JDM motor that I had brought in.....and what happend to it? &nbsp; Lot of fun on a T04S is what happend. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;

There are so many things that can go wrong.....even a clogged fuel filter can blow your motor.....you lean out just a bit on a rotary and POP.

Given that the 4 Rotor does kick ass but I think in general the rotary is not as reliable because people don't know how or don't do it right when driving, tuning, mantaining. &nbsp;On a race car that is inspected and tuned by the best yea the rotary will keep going and going.

[Ni5mo180SX]

I never said rebuilds make your motor stronger. I just assumed you rebuilt your original motor. Jspecs are usually a coin toss when it comes to quality anyways. What was the stock compression?? So im guessing you boosted to high, how is that the engines fault? It didnt manage your abuse? Leaning out on most turbo motors will lead to serious damage, its not just a problem isolated to the 13B. Theres plenty of people on the forum with NA FC's that go over 150k miles on the original motor. One guy hit 250k on the original motor. It just comes down to how you take care of your motor.

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,6:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said rebuilds make your motor stronger. I just assumed you rebuilt your original motor. Jspecs are usually a coin toss when it comes to quality anyways. What was the stock compression?? So im guessing you boosted to high, how is that the engines fault? It didnt manage your abuse? Leaning out on most turbo motors will lead to serious damage, its not just a problem isolated to the 13B. Theres plenty of people on the forum with NA FC's that go over 150k miles on the original motor. One guy hit 250k on the original motor. It just comes down to how you take care of your motor.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You can't compare NA FCs to FDs... &nbsp;The heat from the turbo is often what kills the engine not excessive boost, insufficient fuel, etc. etc. The majority of FDs don't blow apex seals, etc. etc... &nbsp;it's actually the side (water) seals that go first, allowing coolant into the combustion chamber. &nbsp;Unless you wanna turn your FD into an NA car, you're always going to face the problem of heat damaging your side seals over time. &nbsp;Even if you drive your FD like a grandma, eventually those seals will need to be replaced and the engine rebuilt. &nbsp;And it doesn't always come down to how you take care of your motor... &nbsp;I wouldn't say the 13B-REW is so much unreliable as unpredictable, sometimes random shit just happens even if you do your best to take care of the car (within reason). &nbsp;If you've ever seen pics rotaryknight's car, you'd know it was very well taken care of. Please... u can tell us about your cars and we'll tell u about our cars &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[mbmbmb23]

Who cares about LeMans.....or any other "big" racing event that involves a sponsor's deep pockets. Those engines more than likely get rebuilt between races anyways....by professional tuners/mechanics. Every dog has his day....and if that comes after 24hrs of LeMans, then good for Mazda....but none of us are gonna race like that...so its the 60k rebuild that you should be more concerned about. Bottom line is this.......the RX7's they have will never be the same as the RX7 you have....no matter how much you know about them or have ($$$ ) socked away in your piggy bank.


-m

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,6:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said rebuilds make your motor stronger. I just assumed you rebuilt your original motor. Jspecs are usually a coin toss when it comes to quality anyways. What was the stock compression?? So im guessing you boosted to high, how is that the engines fault? It didnt manage your abuse? Leaning out on most turbo motors will lead to serious damage, its not just a problem isolated to the 13B. Theres plenty of people on the forum with NA FC's that go over 150k miles on the original motor. One guy hit 250k on the original motor. It just comes down to how you take care of your motor.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok......Rotary 101 you cannot compare a 2nd gen to a 3rd gen.....especially a NA 2nd gen.

NA 13B can go a long time but it is sooo different with a 13B-REW they are not the same motor. &nbsp;Yes leaning out will damage any turbo motor BUT on a Supra you can lean and detonate a bit.....on a rotary that one "ping" can blow a seal.

Leaning out not just a problem on the 13B? and then you bring up a NA FC? &nbsp;Where's the logic in that NA FC have no boost to worry about.

ALSO you already stated that there are alot of NA FC's with 150k miles....that's FC not FD...........SO Mr. "I don't own a rotary but know all about them from reading the internet", find me examples of FD that have over 100k on the original motor. &nbsp;Yes there may be one or two. &nbsp;But i'm sure that it's because all the rest of us can't take care of our motors.

[Ni5mo180SX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (potatobbq @ May 21 2002,7:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,6:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said rebuilds make your motor stronger. I just assumed you rebuilt your original motor. Jspecs are usually a coin toss when it comes to quality anyways. What was the stock compression?? So im guessing you boosted to high, how is that the engines fault? It didnt manage your abuse? Leaning out on most turbo motors will lead to serious damage, its not just a problem isolated to the 13B. Theres plenty of people on the forum with NA FC's that go over 150k miles on the original motor. One guy hit 250k on the original motor. It just comes down to how you take care of your motor.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You can't compare NA FCs to FDs... The heat from the turbo is often what kills the engine not excessive boost, insufficient fuel, etc. etc. The majority of FDs don't blow apex seals, etc. etc... it's actually the side (water) seals that go first, allowing coolant into the combustion chamber. Unless you wanna turn your FD into an NA car, you're always going to face the problem of heat damaging your side seals over time. Even if you drive your FD like a grandma, eventually those seals will need to be replaced and the engine rebuilt. And it doesn't always come down to how you take care of your motor... I wouldn't say the 13B-REW is so much unreliable as unpredictable, sometimes random shit just happens even if you do your best to take care of the car (within reason). If you've ever seen pics rotaryknight's car, you'd know it was very well taken care of. Please... u can tell us about your cars and we'll tell u about our cars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok I was never comparing NA FC's to FD's. If you read his quote from before he says rotarys IN GENERAL aren't as reliable. And I own an FC so you dont need to give me the whole run down on how rotary's work or give me BS about me telling you about your cars.

[Ni5mo180SX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 22 2002,02:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 22 2002,6:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said rebuilds make your motor stronger. I just assumed you rebuilt your original motor. Jspecs are usually a coin toss when it comes to quality anyways. What was the stock compression?? So im guessing you boosted to high, how is that the engines fault? It didnt manage your abuse? Leaning out on most turbo motors will lead to serious damage, its not just a problem isolated to the 13B. Theres plenty of people on the forum with NA FC's that go over 150k miles on the original motor. One guy hit 250k on the original motor. It just comes down to how you take care of your motor.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok......Rotary 101 you cannot compare a 2nd gen to a 3rd gen.....especially a NA 2nd gen.

NA 13B can go a long time but it is sooo different with a 13B-REW they are not the same motor. Yes leaning out will damage any turbo motor BUT on a Supra you can lean and detonate a bit.....on a rotary that one "ping" can blow a seal.

Leaning out not just a problem on the 13B? and then you bring up a NA FC? Where's the logic in that NA FC have no boost to worry about.

ALSO you already stated that there are alot of NA FC's with 150k miles....that's FC not FD...........SO Mr. "I don't own a rotary but know all about them from reading the internet", find me examples of FD that have over 100k on the original motor. Yes there may be one or two. But i'm sure that it's because all the rest of us can't take care of our motors.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Read my previous quote I already said it was you said all rotarys in general arent reliable.

[rotaryknight]

Ahhh you own an FC that's why you don't know what it's like to take care of a FD.

[Ni5mo180SX]

ok

[Mastacow]

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You can't compare NA FCs to FDs... The heat from the turbo is often what kills the engine not excessive boost, insufficient fuel, etc. etc. The majority of FDs don't blow apex seals, etc. etc... it's actually the side (water) seals that go first, allowing coolant into the combustion chamber. Unless you wanna turn your FD into an NA car, you're always going to face the problem of heat damaging your side seals over time. Even if you drive your FD like a grandma, eventually those seals will need to be replaced and the engine rebuilt. And it doesn't always come down to how you take care of your motor... I wouldn't say the 13B-REW is so much unreliable as unpredictable, sometimes random shit just happens even if you do your best to take care of the car (within reason). If you've ever seen pics rotaryknight's car, you'd know it was very well taken care of. Please... u can tell us about your cars and we'll tell u about our cars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok I was never comparing NA FC's to FD's. If you read his quote from before he says rotarys IN GENERAL aren't as reliable. And I own an FC so you dont need to give me the whole run down on how rotary's work or give me BS about me telling you about your cars.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>


Well, if aqwkmf said his dream car was an FC, then your argument might hold water.

How much work do you actually do on your own car anyway? I do all of my work on my FD, and I know RK does all of his (at least til dirtyrotten thieves took his car). Mine is my daily driver, and there's not a single day that I get on the gas and not wonder if its going to pop.

As for your argument for the 4 rotor 26b being "reliable" and winning the 24 hr LeMans...

A) it wasn't turbocharged. No nasty little dirty hoses to deal with.

B) It only had to run one day.

c) It's a race engine. No matter what, it was going to be torn down and rebuilt after the race. A lot of factors came into place for the 787B to win that race. A LOT of luck too.

Just because you read about FD's over on rx7forum doesn't mean you know enough about them to give advice on a potential buy.

edit- too many quotes in my message.

[potatobbq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 23 2002,01:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok I was never comparing NA FC's to FD's. If you read his quote from before he says rotarys IN GENERAL aren't as reliable. And I own an FC so you dont need to give me the whole run down on how rotary's work or give me BS about me telling you about your cars.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well I was responding to your post about the 13B-REW averaging 90k-120k miles... FDs w/ 90k on the original motor are pretty rare; I think more like 70k is more realistic. &nbsp;Anyway, I didn't know u had an FC; from what you were saying it didn't seem like you really knew about the problems of the FDs 13B-REW... You started talkin about FCs so I thought you were comparing FDs to FCs... I dunno, I thought u were another piston guy trying to tell me about my 13B-REW, heh.

[Ni5mo180SX]

Mastacow- I do all my own work on the FC. Its been tough getting used to it but im getting the hang of it now. As far as the 787B it was making close to 270HP per liter NA, how is that not putting stress on the engine?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> Yea it only had to run one day----24 hours non stop racing. That's no easy task, if it is, im sure you'd see a lot more Jap. manf. gunning for Le Mans. Im still learning about rotarys, but the advice I gave was common sense and pretty sound. The only thing debatable would be the life span of the motor.
Potatobbq- I agree with you, it is rare to see an original motor with +90k miles on it. Im not arguing there, its just that rotaryknights saying rotary's in general arent reliable.
Rotaryknight- talking to you about this is pretty much pointless. You've been jumping from one subject to the next. I asked how you blew your motor and you said it was from "lots of fun on a T04S". So how is that lack of reliability? Next you went jspec, what was the compression on that motor? Like I said before, reliability on jspecs are iffy, you could have gotten a motor driven hard and the internals looking like shit or gotten one well taken care of. Then you criticize me for comparing NA FC's and FD's when you're the one who made the inital comparission. Then you're on my case for not owning an RX7. When you find out I do, you go to the defense that its an FC not an FD. I know theres a major difference, but you keep sidetracking on crap like that. And the fact that the 13B doesn't handle detenation well. Its a condition that most motors wont tolerate well and will lead to big problems down the line, rotary or not. Im not trying to start a flame war with you guys between FCs and FD's or anything else this is pretty much about the avg. life span of a rebuilt 13B-REW.

[rotaryknight]

Yes I know that Jspec motors are crap shoots....but one of the bigger suppliers in LA is a friend of mine.

The motor was installed and felt good. &nbsp;Great responce compared to my other one when it was on the way out.

I later had a compression test done and it ranged between 7.8-8.2. Pretty damn good but then again my friend was very careful selecting my motor. &nbsp;It came off of a rear ended clip.

The reason is why I get upset because you jumped in a conversation about a 3rd gen Rx-7 that you have no personal knowledge about. &nbsp;

You are new to the Rx7Forum and I have never seen you reply to any 3rd Generation posts giving any type of real advise. &nbsp;The only things I ever see you post in the 3rd Gen Forum are "oh that's cool" or "I once saw something cool in Option Magazine."

You probibly post mostly in the lounge.

You jump on my case saying that I have no idea about a FD and that I can't take care of my motor. &nbsp;But what knowledge do you have except reading the forum. &nbsp;The same forum that I am a part of too. &nbsp;

Yes I do tend to jump around on my topics because there are so many things that aggrivate me about your posts.

[MyFirst240SX]

Id get a supra. &nbsp;I love those cars. &nbsp;And realisticly wouldn't you be saving a huge amount of money on not having to repair as much stuff? 10g's could be put into mod's.

[aqwkmf]

yea this thread went to hell

[Ni5mo180SX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 22 2002,8:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes I know that Jspec motors are crap shoots....but one of the bigger suppliers in LA is a friend of mine.

The motor was installed and felt good. Great responce compared to my other one when it was on the way out.

I later had a compression test done and it ranged between 7.8-8.2. Pretty damn good but then again my friend was very careful selecting my motor. It came off of a rear ended clip.

The reason is why I get upset because you jumped in a conversation about a 3rd gen Rx-7 that you have no personal knowledge about.

You are new to the Rx7Forum and I have never seen you reply to any 3rd Generation posts giving any type of real advise. The only things I ever see you post in the 3rd Gen Forum are "oh that's cool" or "I once saw something cool in Option Magazine."

You probibly post mostly in the lounge.

You jump on my case saying that I have no idea about a FD and that I can't take care of my motor. But what knowledge do you have except reading the forum. The same forum that I am a part of too.

Yes I do tend to jump around on my topics because there are so many things that aggrivate me about your posts.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh ok, I jumped into a conversation that was already 2 pages long, and I was the only one without personal knowledge??? lol, alright, if you say so.

I jumped on your case for saying you have no idea about an FD? Where was that? I acknowledged you did, the only thing I was trying to find out is how you went through your motors IMO so quickly. You just started freaking out the instant someone else started posting. Over what?? How long a rebuilt motor last. There's no issue here except what you're creating. All you've been doing is sitting here and attacking me with BS like "you post in the lounge" "I saw etc. in options" etc etc. Dude you sound like a little kid having a tantrum. like I said before, theres no pointing in posting here.

[matic 240sx]

close it!!! HURRY!! PLEASE!!!

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ni5mo180SX @ May 24 2002,2:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 22 2002,8:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes I know that Jspec motors are crap shoots....but one of the bigger suppliers in LA is a friend of mine.

The motor was installed and felt good. Great responce compared to my other one when it was on the way out.

I later had a compression test done and it ranged between 7.8-8.2. Pretty damn good but then again my friend was very careful selecting my motor. It came off of a rear ended clip.

The reason is why I get upset because you jumped in a conversation about a 3rd gen Rx-7 that you have no personal knowledge about.

You are new to the Rx7Forum and I have never seen you reply to any 3rd Generation posts giving any type of real advise. The only things I ever see you post in the 3rd Gen Forum are "oh that's cool" or "I once saw something cool in Option Magazine."

You probibly post mostly in the lounge.

You jump on my case saying that I have no idea about a FD and that I can't take care of my motor. But what knowledge do you have except reading the forum. The same forum that I am a part of too.

Yes I do tend to jump around on my topics because there are so many things that aggrivate me about your posts.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh ok, I jumped into a conversation that was already 2 pages long, and I was the only one without personal knowledge??? lol, alright, if you say so.

I jumped on your case for saying you have no idea about an FD? Where was that? I acknowledged you did, the only thing I was trying to find out is how you went through your motors IMO so quickly. You just started freaking out the instant someone else started posting. Over what?? How long a rebuilt motor last. There's no issue here except what you're creating. All you've been doing is sitting here and attacking me with BS like "you post in the lounge" "I saw etc. in options" etc etc. Dude you sound like a little kid having a tantrum. like I said before, theres no pointing in posting here.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
AWW are you mad becaue I found out the truth? &nbsp;That all you know enough about in the Rx7Forum is to say how you've seen cool pics and "what exhaust should I put on my FC?"

Kinda sucks when you are trying pretend to be all knowlegable and are really just another kid who likes to look at pretty pictures in Option. &nbsp;

Own a FD first before making assumptions.

Oh btw how is it BS? &nbsp;You are a lounge whore it's a fact. &nbsp;Troll.

[rotaryknight]

Yea might as well close this already...I'm leaving for Vegas soon so won't get to argue over the weekend.

Memorial Day weekend in Vegas....damn it's gonna take me and extra 3-4 hours cuz of traffic.

[Ni5mo180SX]

Am I mad about what? You couldn't say shit to my last thread cause you're a fucking idiot and you know im right. Im a lounge whore? You pay that much attention to me?? lol. You're the fucking little bitch trying to get this thread closed before I respond and make everyone else realize that. Why dont you get off my dick and stop posting on here with shit that has nothing to to do with the subject.
"Kinda sucks when you are trying pretend to be all knowlegable and are really just another kid who likes to look at pretty pictures in Option."
Yea it also kinda sucks when you're a fucking cock and other people realize that and strip your car for you.

[Ni5mo180SX]

And regardless of what im posting on the rx7forum (with my huge 230 post count) whats it to you? Are you the new moderator there? How many of my lounge whore threads can you pull up?

[rotaryknight]

Awww so sorry that you had no other argument but to bring up my poor lost FD may she rest in peace. &nbsp; But yes it is sad when you do own something nice that someone would acutally steal and strip it. &nbsp;Sucks that it all got stolen....mommy and daddy didn't buy me my toys...it's called a good job.

I guess it's name calling now huh...what happend to your cool temperment...

And as far as people hating me...hmmm what have you ever done for the Rotary community...let's see, I've organized with my sponsors to make parts for the FD....hmm and you have...agreed with people that some parts look cool....WOW yea I guess that makes you Mr Popular.

The sad fact is you have already made yourself look like an idiot to me and to the other two FD owners who have posted in this thread. &nbsp;And yes they are part of the Rx7Forum that you dearly treasure to obtain what limited knowledge you have.

And why are you a lounge whore...because you contribute nothing..nothing of values except "oohs and ahhhs." &nbsp;Never seen one post in the 3rd gen forum by you that had anything that helped anyone....but you come to this forum to preach.

Oh since we're on name calling now i got one....you're a doofus...oh wait...uh...do do head.....yea take that.

How bout this one..."hey you know that we're brothers?......cuz I was in your mom 9 months too."
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MyFirst240SX @ May 24 2002,09:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Id get a supra. I love those cars. And realisticly wouldn't you be saving a huge amount of money on not having to repair as much stuff? 10g's could be put into mod's.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
As much as I don't like the way they drive I would agree that Supra's are easy to modify. &nbsp;My roomate had a Supra, HKS T04R stock head and stock bottom end. &nbsp;On HKS' Dyno he put 607 RWHP. &nbsp;The car later ran a 10.9

Idiot sold it bought a GS and now sold that and bought a Supra again...he should have never gotten rid of the first one.

Supras COMPARED to a FD are almost bulletproof.

[Ni5mo180SX]

What happened to my temper? Dealing with you, its hard to keep it. How long have I owned this FC? 2 months now, so am I supposed to be flooding the forums with my exp? I watch and read and pick up whatevers useful. And I come to this forum to preach?? How so? By advicing to have a good amount of exp with cars and by giving a range on rebuilt motors before buying the FC? You're pretty ignorant and you can sit there and and keep sidetracking with crap about me not being a rotary god, like you of course <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> but like I said before, theres really no point to what you're saying.

[rotaryknight]

Ah there you just said it yourself...you have no experience so shhhhhhh.

Also this thread started that he wanted to buy a FD3S not a NA FC. &nbsp;So again shhhhhh.

So...you've only had your car for 2 months...and a NA FC so in no way do you know what a FD is like or the requirements of a forced induction rotary.

You're like a dodge neon owner trying to tell someone about a Viper. &nbsp;Just because you own a FC doesn't mean you know what it takes to own a FD. &nbsp;

And I do feel that i have brought up many valid points...all these show how you know nothing about a FD. &nbsp;The types of posts on the forum show that you can't contribute anything worth value there so you really have no validity here.

[Ni5mo180SX]

I dont have much experience with rotarys, I'll admit that. But the advice I gave was within reason. My advice was coming from my own exp of looking for an FD. I had looked at maybe 4 or 5 for a couple months after my 240 was totalled. Each one I looked at had its own share of engine problems. Leaving pretty one choice, looking into a rebuilt motor. I decided to pick up the FC because it was taking too long and I didnt know enough about rotary's in general, an FC being a good starting point. My advice was coming from one potential buyer to the next. You're pretty arrogant/ignorant to sit there and criticize what I know having talked to me on one internet thread.

[Ni5mo180SX]

haha thats pretty funny on how you keep insisting you're the rotary authority here (something I made no claim too).You sound like a little kid. I really could care less but if it makes you happy, you know more about FDs. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> Feeling better now??? lol

BTW-How old are you?? Im 19 and in college. Does it really make you feel better that you know more about FDs?? lol Or that ive contributed SO much to the rx7 community???

[rotaryknight]

19! MastaCow and I figured you were a kid.

Who said i was the authority...what I bring is first hand knowledge from building a FD for 4 years. &nbsp;4 years of various problems and headaches. &nbsp;

I can actually say that I own a FD...or what's left of it now....that doesn't make me an authority but it does give me credibility when it comes to questions about one.

The fact that I have owned one for several years and have taken it from stock to a T04S single turbo 400 rwhp daily driver makes it easier for me to tell people about problems that may occur with owning a FD.

The fact that I paid for the car in full and all of it parts on my own shows that I know what it is like to work for something and build it.

[rotaryknight]

And if you can't figure it out....I said I'm going to vegas....hmmm...you're 19....you're too young...and I can go to vegas to gamble...that makes me.....OMG! older than you!

What do you think i'm going to vegas for? Cirque De Sole'?

Yes sarcasim gets better when you get older. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Oh BTW I'm not the one who started swearing and resorting to name calling.....what you gonna do now tell me your daddy can beat up my daddy?

[Ni5mo180SX]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> ok...............so im guessing you're not gonna tell me how old you are? lol Seriously, what are you arguing about? What advice did I give that was SO off, rotary god? Dude, why dont you stop whoring up your post count by continuing this lame argument.

[rotaryknight]

AHAHAH but yet you keep replying and trying to save face in a argument you agree you lost.

Why do you keep replying and trying?

The honest reason i'm still here is I like to fight this argument has made this day pass by quickly. &nbsp;

I'm not here to post whore..I honestly enjoy this fight.

If I was going to post whore I'd just go to another thread and say "oh wow yea that's cool" or "yea I saw that somewhere too"

Oh wait I have done the "that's cool" thing before. &nbsp;Well you get the point.

[rotaryknight]

Well you can post whatever you want now...I'm off to Vegas.

Oh BTW nice fight...it was fun. &nbsp;At least it made more interesting reading than many of the threads that we have seen in both forums.

[Ni5mo180SX]

I can honestly say you are the gayest FD owner I have ever met. I lost? oh yea, to all your great replies <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> Way to answer my questions too (im the one replying and trying to save face by dodging the main points?? LOL). Later faggot, have fun in las vegas. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[potatobbq]

haha, this thread is outta hand but entertaining...

Ni5mo180SX:

rotaryknight said: "Actually Avg. life span of a rotary if driven hard is even if taken care of is 60k. &nbsp;There are not too many FD that are over 80k with the first motor."

maybe this is what you took to mean rotaries in general were unreliable but i'm sure rotaryknight meant the 13b-rew rotary, not rotaries in general. &nbsp;this thread had been about the 13b-rew fd3s, we were always talking about the 13b-rew engine for the fd3s rx-7; not your na fc3s, not rotaries in general. &nbsp;it's possible you misunderstood but if you know about rotaries then u would know we were talking about the fd3s not rotaries in general because we know very well that other rotaries can last much longer.

you're the one that jumped in and plugged your little "is it the engine's fault that it couldn't stand up to your abuse?" comments which i took as sounding very condescending and maybe rotaryknight felt the same way. &nbsp;especially when we find out you don't even have an fd3s rx-7 but an na fc... what do you even know about its problems besides what you read? &nbsp;i've known several people with fairly stock, well taken care of fds that blew motors. &nbsp;why do u think the reman 13b-rew motors are still easily available as a crate motor from the dealer? &nbsp;in a way that is mazda admitting something isn't it? &nbsp;do you think all the people that mazda sells those motors to have modded their cars to death and are responsible for abusing their motors? &nbsp;do we see toyota with a bunch of reman 2jz-gte crate motors for sale? &nbsp;not really...

you don't have an fd3s, you've even only had your na fc3s for 2 months so how much do you know about rotaries really? &nbsp;rotaryknight has had his car for 4 years... i've had my car for over a year... &nbsp;please don't tell us or anyone else how long our motors should last or how to run them. &nbsp;we have fds, we were talking about our experiences about our cars... the fd3s; we don't give advice about cars we don't have any experience with.

[Ni5mo180SX]

No dude I know what he was talking about. He said rotary's in general. Did he send you in to monitor this thread after he left? Seriously, this is getting pretty lame now. Its late and im tired so I dont really care anymore. What I said before stands now.

[rotaryknight]

Wow I come back from Vegas and the kid is still bitching. &nbsp;Anyone going to Vegas go to C2K that club is pretty bad ass. &nbsp;Much better than Ra.

Oh what points didn't I answer I gave you my compression....and the fact that you have nothing else to bring in to this topic because you don't know crap about FD3S. &nbsp;Go play with your NA FC...if you're lucky maybe you'll squeeze 10 more HP with an exhuast.

[Ni5mo180SX]

Like I said before, how old are you? Shut the hell up dude, you're over it. Me play with my NA FC? Why dont you play with that shell of an FD? Sit on the floor, put your hands where the wheel used to be and make cool blow off noises while you air shift. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[rotaryknight]

Ahahah that was a good one.....funny thing is that my FD shell is still worth more than your NA FC and has more potential.

[ca18guy]

Get a room you two &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>