Possible san diego Drift Park...

[Silvia_S13]

so i hear some guys locally are trying to purchase a chunk of land n build up a nice area for us who can't find a spot to go crazy on. it kinda fall's under the lines of something like a skate park but for cars. So far i hear there calling it "San Diego's Drift Park" or something along those lines... something about it being open pretty much 7 days a week. i don't kno all the details on when its gonna go through completly or anything but i kno its in the making. what he ask'd me to do was get the word out n see what people think about it, maybe get some suggestions from people or thoughts of track layout n stuff like that. the price would be somewhere around 25-50 bux a day maybe more depending on how things turn out, some questions they want answered are:

would YOU go? why or why not...

suggestions on anything about the idea of it...

Fair price for full day, half day, or night sessions?

how much should spectators pay to "hang out" or watch..

i just like the idea that i could go any day i want instead of waiting n waiting n waiting. imagine a day you get some new suspension n you wanna go test it out... that same day you could go test it at the local drift park. just get off work n you been kinda iching to go drift, it'll be waiting for you.

the possibilities are endless so any thoughts or suggestions or flaming is open.

[jayka]

well i would go price is high but i guess it works well with keeping it less crowded

[Silvia_S13]

well i would go price is high but i guess it works well with keeping it less crowded


a little curious to ur comment if it being a bit high on price? drift day or drift circuit for a full day is 100 bux... i can't see 25-50 bux being anywhere near high priced for something available every single day

[KA24DESOneThree]

I would pay $50/day two to four times a month if the place was any good.

Spectators should pay $10/day or get a "season pass" for a predetermined amount.

Put up a vending building to increase profits as well as simple garages for people to rent.

Have a skatepark occupying the land not used by the track and its buildings and parking lots.

[AutoRnD]

Done Deal Sign Me Up =)

[ramblux]

I would move to SD for this... no joke

[sdtouge]

season pass. im in.

[johngriff]

the easy solution...

make a resolution or lobby a local city coucil person in the district you want to build it in, saying that street racing is dangerous, and have them give you a grant for the race track using the penalty money from street racing tickets ect. If you can convince them it will divert street racing, you might have you're self a grant. You might want to get in touch with some local students who have taken some grant writing classes to help you write it!!

John

[s14dr1ft3r]

good idea...however maybe pay an hourly rate. you know some people may pay $50 for the whole day but what if someone just wants to get in an hour or so after work? Should he/she have to pay the same amount? Or maybe a season pass for drivers and a season pass for spectators? Also, make the course changable...I think people would get bored if the track was the same all the time.

[driftshot]

Spectator pricing raises flags . What if I drive to the track and bring my little sister (who loves drifting) ? Am I going to have to pay 15 dollars (ballpark price) to keep her in my car , after I already paid the entry price ? Will each driver have to pay the additional spectator price for each person in the car ? I don't think you should .

I know at events each person buys a ticket . Well each person is there for the same thing , whether it be cars or drifting itself . This isn't that though . I think there should be a flat rate for cars . $60-80 a day . When you break that down , it's a great price . If each car holds roughly 3-4 people (most of our cars barely hold 2) then for the flat rate of 60 , you're getting 4 people in . $15 dollars a peice , one can drive and three spectators ...

What are spectators doing really ? They're not messing up the track any they're watching and observing . Actually gathering more business in . The more people that come to watch , the more cars will drive there . Not to mention the more companies that will buy spots on the walls , free areas for banners ... What better way to market than in the masses ? Local shops would love to take advantage of the marketing tools there are to offer .

-Along the same lines , this would also open up for *local* events . Like one day out of the month or so it's open to all 240's etc , so you have tons of 240 owners some of which just come to watch and will pay the $60 entry fee . Small shops around that sell parts and things would come to set up booths or just give out fliers or advertise around with their cars .

Not only would the track pay for itself quickly , it'd probably take off and become one of the best things in SanDiego ... not only for drifters , but for shops , businesses , gatherings , and a great place to meet locals .

Also as S14drifter said (a friend of mine) , the track needs to be changeable . So there should be like one week it's set up one way , and the next week it's a different course with a different type of turn (hairpin, S curves etc) . Mainly just one turn that highlights the course change so every week people can come and learn to tackle a new type turn and get a chance to skill up over the months . One thing I've noticed on a lot of tracks is the concrete barriers . That would be good , but difficult to move every week , and for the beginning drifters it would definitly be very dangerous to have out there . Ive watched a few D1 clips and noticed that they have foam blocks on the side of the track , while it sounds ridiculous to have foam blocks as track guides , it would be a much safer and cheaper alternative for all the drivers . Most drifters that would want a track out here aren't professional and would like to take their car home every day , I myself know this to be true . I'm sure there's another method besides foam blocks and concrete walls , but just ideas to keep the track changing and all the locals happy =D .

-DriftShot

[s14dr1ft3r]

^^^ Well put Daniel. Thanks for making my sig!

[driftshot]

There should be night drifting from 1-2 am on Friday and Saturday ... !!!

Also - if they're hiring already ... I'd work there ... every second I could !

[johngriff]

The highest cost in operating a track is going to be the insurance. Tracks charge for spectator to cover the insurance to have those people there. As well, things like restrooms, water, stands and other thing used by spectators cost money... but insurance is paramount. If people didnt file frivilous law-suits, then letting specs in for free would make sense, and just make the money off of concesions.

john

[s14dr1ft3r]

What about signing insurance waivers? It could be possible for all that attend to sign waivers releasing the track from responsibility in the case that someone gets hurt or dies. I know the drivers have to, dont they?

[Silvia_S13]

anyone who knows city council or anyone in the matter which can help with possible grants or location of sd's drift park please please PM me. waivers is gonna be a must...

suggestions on location is highly needed. possible workers are gonna be needed. the park is planned to jus be setup with a large amount of cones so it could be changed weekly or dailly... volunteers to get rid of those community service hours is gonna be needed to get the park together. if you know some contracters who do concrete for cheap PM me as well... we only need so much before this thing gets rolling... i agree with everyone on everything so far but im sure pricing wont be to bad even if spectaters have to pay 5 bux jus to help with insurance, but drivers wont have to pay 80 bux a day... it will balance out n wont hurt your wallet... it should be an awesome place to drift, hang out, watch n learn from others but were gonna need everyone's help on this spot, i mean its for EVERYONE not just me or just for profits. its for you guys

[TheSquidd]

Damn zilvian lowballers.

The going rate in southern california for a drift event (one day pass) is a little over 100$, that's INSANE value. For that 100$ I can run three skidpads and two short courses all day, lines are short and sweet, and lunch is provided. The only problem with these events are they are once a month.

What you're gonna get with these guys wanting to pay 60$ a day is they are going to be there everyday, there will be half hour lines just to get a run in. Maybe charge 60$ for weekdays, and 100$ for weekends. You have to make a balance between ticket prices and wait times. I would GLADLY pay 200$ a day, once a month for short wait times rather than pay 60$ a day and get a couple runs in while every other person in the world runs the track.

Perhaps offer a VIP pass, you pay extra to get ahead of the line, kind of like the Disneyland speedpass, you buy a VIP pass for a set time, and you can go to the front of the line at your appointed time and get a run in without having to wait forever to get through the line.

Maybe offer "Veteran Days". Where the drivers for that day must have prerequisites such as track days and previous drift days. This would give some of the more experienced drivers a chance to test and tune for events and not be stuck behind Takumi in the 86 that spins his stock corolla every turn. (I should know, I'm that guy.)

Of course to start, the prices are going to have to be low, perhaps a two month introductory price where you get people to come in and experience it, get a buzz going, but eventually (and hopefully), you'll be getting tons of business. If this leads to long wait times, you should raise prices.

You should speak to owners of dirt bike tracks and recreational areas such as that. They charge no cover charge and use the waiver method of entry. Ask them how they manage to keep their business afloat. There are tons out here in San Bernardino.

[santacruisin]

Check out the Drift Bibile DVD for a good layout for the park. Tsuchiya drives at the Drift Land Park. It is set up in such a way that there are multiple ways to approach the course layout. YOu could also bite one the design of one of the many Japanese mini circuits. THey have lots of turns and fairly low speeds (never above 3rd gear) which make them great for drifting and decrease the possibility of a fatal crash. No need to reinvent the wheel if someone already has the concept down on paper.

[ramblux]

No need to reinvent the wheel if someone already has the concept down on paper.


I don't agree at all... Why not do something different? If no one reinvented the wheel, we would all still be rolling horses and buggies.

[-usmd-180sx]

I don't agree at all... Why not do something different? If no one reinvented the wheel, we would all still be rolling horses and buggies.

hope your not talking about some drifting on bridges over lakes.. and dolphins doing backflips as you pass kinda thing.. :loco:

+1 for drift land like in Drift Bible.. or maybe I might just do that in California :bigok:

[santacruisin]

I don't agree at all... Why not do something different? If no one reinvented the wheel, we would all still be rolling horses and buggies.

haha, ur funny. :kiss: care to share any of your new and bold ideas?

We are already ten years behind Japan in terms of drifting. I think they have their shit tight when it comes to making drift courses.

In all actuality you don't really need much. Just a large stretch of paved, smooth and flat land. Set up cones in any type of course you want. Change cone courses based on skill levels and the amount of people drifting at any given time. Large courses for slow business days and small tight courses when it is mad busy. But going all out and making a real deal course is very exciting, not to mention more expensive.

[ramblux]

haha, ur funny. :kiss: care to share any of your new and bold ideas?

We are already ten years behind Japan in terms of drifting. I think they have their shit tight when it comes to making drift courses.



Share some of my new and bold ideas, huh? Sure, but you'll have to buy Drift & RWD Sport Magazine when it hits the stands this month to see them. Speaking of, the magazine itself is one of my "new and bold" ideas. [/plug]

Why copy a Japanese track turn for turn? That's lame. And how are we 10 years behind? Sure, we don't have the same amount of time under our belts, but maybe you heard what happened at D1 USA vs. Japan? Whoever creates this track should take pride in what they're doing and not bite off of someone else's design.

[santacruisin]

bout time someone made a drift mag. I look forward to reading it. Track layout doesn't matter, as long as it works. If it ain't broke...

[S13 Charlie]

This is a great idea. I'm surprised that a dedicated track has not surfaced sooner, given the exploding popularity of drifting, especially in so cal. I think 50 bucks a day is an extremely reasonable price, and would be all the sweeter if the wait times were short. As far as my thoughts on track layout, I agree with the idea of a changeable track, as it would keeps things fresh and also helps everyone's skills grow.

Spectator-wise, maybe each registered driver could be allowed 1 pit member, and then any additional friends, girlfriends, etc. would be 5 bucks a head or something along those lines. Then just charge far out the ass for a slice of pizza or chicken on a stick! (heh, please don't really)

I hope this happens, I'd go visit my friends in SD way more often..

-C

[kenversusryu]

some of those drift parks in japan will tear your car apart if you go off the course just a little.

I'm all for having a drift park and all, but chances are.. zilch. Why do you think all the strips and raceways are in the middle of nowhere? because it's cheaper and getting permits for a "race" property is really tough. Even in japan they are in the middle of nowhere.

Be realistic and go through some of your options. Personally, i'd check the industrial areas of SD.

Good luck though.. i'd really like to see this hapen.. and that whole 200 bucks a day comment is garbage.. Just cap the day with a certain amount of cars and people won't whine and complain about track time.

[Silvia_S13]

everyones input is awesome... as far as wait times... shouldn't be to horrible. there is gonna be a cap on amount of drifters per day... so wait times will be lower but there will be a good amount of people. hopefully large enough to have 2 tracks going n a small skid pad for others to jus go crazy to practice on... more tracks, less wait times, less people, less wait times. so those who plan to drift all day, gotta get there bright n early. or "reserve" your day a few days ahead so no matter what time u show, your guaranteed ur spot at drift park, but if u dont show.... your payment has already been processed... kinda like a hotel. if you think u aint gonna show to ur reserved day, cancel the day before so we dont hold it for ya... ill keep you guys posted.

[Inlandsilvia]

They should run it like in japan...teams or groups would rent the track out for the day...I think it was like 1000 bucks for half a day like from 7am -12pm then the next group would show up from 1230pm to 6am... Usually we could get enough people to only pay like 50 bucks per person. I remember one time we rented the track for the whole day and it was like 100 per person. but, hella track time and everyone knew the rules and was very safe on and off the track.

[Silvia_S13]

that could be a posibility, teams/groups would be up to you guys tho. get enough people together that's willing to pretty much rent it for the whole day or we could do like "TEAM A SIGN UP SHEET" then all of team A would go when team A is up n it would rotate tracks/time of day to get as much track time as possible. n have a team b n team C with a certain amount of people per team... keep the idea's coming...

[meatish]

I think capping the amount of people is a must. I'd say, around 30-40 people, and send them out in run groups of 10, rotate every 20 minutes. Advanced drivers can have multiple cars on track, therefore getting more run time. This is the ideal method. Spectators=free. Drivers=$40-50, $75 for weekends/ special events.
BTW, everyone here sign up at SDdrift.com forums if you live in san diego! that is where the real debate will be going on, with the real og sd drifters.

[meatish]

hope your not talking about some drifting on bridges over lakes.. and dolphins doing backflips as you pass kinda thing..

hahahaha sounds like a nintendo game, i.e. waverace 64 turned into driftrace 64. i love it.

[Plex]

I would seriously move to SD for this.

I agree on the team signup sheet thing, that'd be badass, not tomention a SHITLOAD of seattime :D not sure on having a 'disneyland express' pass thing or whatever, that'd just leave you to prettymuch HAVING to buy the pass to get any track time..

30 - 40 people 'out' would be reasonable.. (meaning 10 cars ON the track at a time)

Out in the middle of nowhere should also lower your insurance costs aswell, so thats a plus...

[rps13dreams]

Who the hell can afford $100-$200 a day? $60 is resonable, and with concessions and advertising sales, the park should make enough. Having group rate deals available to teams is a great idea, just dont close the park to people unaffiliated with a team. 2-3 small-medium course layouts and a skid-pad area would be great if you can find a big enough lot. I vote for a layout like the place in the Drift Bible.

[trevor]

drift land like in Drift Bible looked realy slow. a higher speed track would be fun ie top of third. i think there will be some good $ to be made and a much needed service.i hope you get this going soon id be down there at least 2-3 times a mo. good luck, and i also think alot of us would travel out of the city for this at well.

[rps13dreams]

If the total course is surrounded by an oval, you can set the coarse up for as much speed as you want. Plus, most people going to this park will be entry skill level.

[kenversusryu]

so what's the progress on this? Any if at all?

[rps13dreams]

yeah!? what is up?

[daver903]

i like the idea a lot! a lift ticket to a ski hill around here is anywhere from 40-60 dollars for a full day, therefore, for a drift park i think 40-60 is perfectly fine! the pilons will keep costs low. the driver cap is a great idea, as is the spectator pay 5 bucks or w/e. the thing with team's are what if someone just feels like going drifting but isnt on a team? that takes away the whole "not waiting for track time" thing. if i feel like going drifting for a couple hours after work, but its a "team" day. then that takes away the point of the whole skate park idea.i really do love the idea, and even though im no where clost to this i would really love to see it happen. good luck with it!:x:

[theicecreamdan]

there has been talk about tracks of all kinds in and around San Diego since 2 weeks before USA took California from Mexico. I'll be impressed if drifting is big enough to make it actually happen.

[sux 2 b na]

hopefully u can find a place big enough so we can rn more than one car at a time . . . but i like how this is sounding

and yeah this is gonna b hard 2 start up because of all the bad rep that illegal racing and canyon driving that is going on . . .

[ernpob]

Why cant we do something like this here in Los Angeles? D-days are great but once a month sucks. If some people on this site could get together maybe we could make it happen.:ughug:

[kenversusryu]

Because it's almost impossible to get permits and insurance for these types of things in urban areas. The best possible solution and the quickest would be to convert an old run down track and revive it for drift use.. but those are almost impossible to find.

I'm guessing this san diego drift park will never happen.. and if it does.. it'll be nothing more than a 100 dollars a day parking lot.

Sorry for being pessimistic but i think i'm being realistic.

[theicecreamdan]

I don't think the "scene" in San Diego, is big enough for anybody to put up the money to make a drift park. drift circuit filled up and had a great amount of run time for everybody, but you will be seeing a lot of the same people at any event month after month, and if you opened it up 4 times a month they would show up for a few weeks, and then run out of $ and tires. There are not enough people that could afford to keep going to a drift park long enough to keep it open. San Diego couldn't even come up with a new drag strip when everybody wanted to drag race.

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Wow, you posted up the same thing here too and no one called total BS on you for not having any real facts? You seriously like getting people's hopes up. Moderators didnt lock this like they did on SDdrift.com? http://www.sddrift.com/smfforums/index.php?topic=415.0

[driftnuts]

i am so down to help with this all my friends even from tennessee would move out here just to get track time plus i know a couple of the formula drift drivers would love it too!!!!

[babyjesus]

^^dayyyum...way to bump a thread that's old as dirt!

[Flipzide]

lol memories...

driftnuts, go to d-street.net for your san diego drifting community needs. this topic needs to be locked.

[randyjordan]

Give up San Diego

[RichieSR20]

I'm local and if it were big enough, I would honestly go a couple times a week. Keep us updated!!!

[One_love_silvia]

i hope to god this doesnt fall through. id be goin there so fuckin much! i think 50$ a day is good. maybe first day be around 120 for a yearly pass, and after the initial 120 its 50 a day.

and most importantly, i think the track shud just be a nice big ass flat asphalt track, and use cones to make different tracks each week. this way its nice and easy to clean up/replace things people crash into, and changing the course would be very simple.

not to mention we can leave the day with our car still in tact.

sorry if anything i said has alrdy been mentioned, or has been shot down. but im not reading all the walls of text in here lol.

regardless, it better not fall through and im def looking forward to it. keep us up to date on things!

funny thing is, ive been saying ive been wanted to do this for awhile. now someones finally doing it lol. idk if i shud be sad for someone having the same idea as me or be happy its here! lol



edit: fuck me. didnt see the date.... god damn graveyard bumpers...

well i guess my idea wasnt put to use yet lol

[Tempo]

reading through thread with hopes and dreams seeming to come true
look at thread post date

mfw:picardfp:

[Yeap]

As of right now the only thing going on in SD is SDCR's gymkhana @ Barona.

[roboticnissan]

Wow wasted a .lot of time reading this.....

fail

[brndck]

wow.
5 year old thread is 5 years old.

fail.