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[Y-49CRXsi]

When i do end up getting my 240 (fastback style), i want to know what would be the easiest way of power gain? I'm a college kid, so no sr20 swap (allthough that would be "dandy"). Are I/H/E the only basic things for power gain...even those are only minimal though right? I'm not sure the effects of Intake/Header/Exhast on the 240, but they produced a decent ammount of gain on my CRX. Would i have to go the way of engine work (assuming the 240 has a still decent engine)? Or how about cheaper engine swaps? my friend has a fastback 240 (180sx conversion), but he is in the marines and i am unable to get to him for answers. I have heard of other engines besides the allmighty sr20 to swap, but are any of them reasonable? I would defenitly like to get rid of that truck engine when i get my 240! oh my, japanese people are laughing as they read my pity post...they're probably on their marry way to osaka for some nightime drifting in their 180s and such.......damn you JAPAN! As usual, any help is GRAND....

[Kreator]

Bah.

1. Stop calling KA a truck engine, cuz you will get alot of enemies very fast this way.
2. I/H/E will give you about 20hp
3. Some other mods (like pulleys, fuel management..) will give you maybe 20 more.
4. You sound like a rice kid

to 240 people: Why are so many honda people interested in our cars.... i sense danger....

[mrdirty]

3 Words:
Sport Compact Car

[misnomer]

Hey cool, I just realized that my dad's great big conversion van has a Corvette engine in it. Does that make it a sports car? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

I reiterate: the motor is there to make the driveshaft spin in reallly fast little circles. The vehicle built around it is where things are defined. I will admit that the KA is used most often in utility vehicles like trucks and vans, though it's also seen in the Stanza and older Altimas. Engines will have different traits, primarily high revs vs high torque, but you can find either in a sports car.

Have you driven a 240sx with the KA24DE yet? One thing you'll notice about it is it's a very torquey engine, which most of us happen to love about it. It's also very boost happy. Most kits lay down 230 or so horsepower to the wheels on about 7 psi of boost, something I honestly haven't seen out of pretty much all factory turbocharged cars (correct me on this if I'm wrong, I pretty much only have the sr20 and WRX to compare to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>).

I don't mean to bash the sr20, it's an excellent powerplant as well, but not the end all say all. Give the engine in it a good go round before you hop on the sr20 bandwagon.

As far as other swaps go, I've heard of VG30ET, VG30DETT from the Z, ca18det from the early silvia and 180sx, rb series engines from the skyline, to some of the smaller v8s. All in all the VG30ET is the cheapest engine to buy, but good luck getting the rest of the hardware for it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> Just keep in mind that a 240sx is already a stellar performer, it doesn't need a new engine to be badass.

[Y-49CRXsi]

Oh i see how it is, people are scared of Honda owners coming to the 240 side? Probably cause most imports are honda/acura (i'd say somewhere around 75%) and there's not much else to come from. Trust me, i'd rather had a 240 than a crx, but crx cost me 2000 in excellent condition with a rebuilt motor, new brakes/tires. So please no ragging on honda owners. And i don't have anything against the "truck engine", its just that it dissapoints me to see a much weaker powerplant in such a deserving car...that's all. And some dude said i sound "rice"...ok. Asking legitimate questions about performance of an engine i know minimal ammounts about doesn't sound "rice" to me...but whatever. I don't think its even possible to be rice and into 240s. Sure i mean it IS, but 95% of rice boys fix up 88' Preludes and Neons and gay shit like that...the 240sx isn't as sought after of a car simply cause it doesn't have an "H" or "A" on the hood.

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Y-49CRXsi @ May 19 2002,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think its even possible to be rice and into 240s.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I beg to differ....just because you own a 240sx doesn't mean you are mister JDM either. &nbsp;I've seen some pretty riced out 240s and heard some really idiotic questions.

[Bbandit]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,09:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">to 240 people: Why are so many honda people interested in our cars.... i sense danger....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
mmmm....whats that suppose to mean? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Y-49CRXsi @ May 19 2002,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh i see how it is, people are scared of Honda owners coming to the 240 side? Probably cause most imports are honda/acura (i'd say somewhere around 75%) and there's not much else to come from. Trust me, i'd rather had a 240 than a crx, but crx cost me 2000 in excellent condition with a rebuilt motor, new brakes/tires. So please no ragging on honda owners. And i don't have anything against the "truck engine", its just that it dissapoints me to see a much weaker powerplant in such a deserving car...that's all. And some dude said i sound "rice"...ok. Asking legitimate questions about performance of an engine i know minimal ammounts about doesn't sound "rice" to me...but whatever. I don't think its even possible to be rice and into 240s. Sure i mean it IS, but 95% of rice boys fix up 88' Preludes and Neons and gay shit like that...the 240sx isn't as sought after of a car simply cause it doesn't have an "H" or "A" on the hood.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yep. 75% of imports are hondas and accuras. And apperantly 99% of riced cars are hondas and acuras.... what a coincidence. now your crx costing 2000... There are several 91-93 240sx being sold in my area for 2000 bux right now.... As for ragging on honda owners... I tend to do that since I hate ricers, and thats what the word honda associates me with. As the fact that you "know minimal ammounts about" engines, the 240s are around for a while, and if you type up on google something like "240sx ka24de" or "240sx sr20det" or finally "kat vs sr" you'll definately find some info telling you about what every engine is like and save us from answering that same question for a millionth time.
As for "much weaker powerplant".... A sr20de is not more powerfull than ka240de. More to that, an sr20de in 200sx ser produces only 140hpvs k24de producing 155 in our cars. Which engine is a "weaker powerplant" now? And if we are talking turbos, then again both engines are about the same.
And it's not that i'm against sr20s. In your case it might be even better to swap than turbo, since you'll have alot of miles. It's just calling KA truck engine that pisses me off.

And yes, i'm scared of honda owners because that's the reason i bought my 240 for. To be as far from rice boys as possible. And now all the honda owners are gonna switch to 240s? I mean it's good that they finally realize that 240s are much better than their hondas, but hopefully they won't bring the rice with them.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 21 2002,05:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for "much weaker powerplant" another comment like that and i'll get really pissed.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Quit acting like a E-thug &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;The US was jiffed by getting a "weaker engine", as in the KA24DE isn't as powerful as a SR20DET plain and simple. Face it the US got ripped out of a turbo, but the KA is no slouch either.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ May 20 2002,11:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 21 2002,05<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for "much weaker powerplant" another comment like that and i'll get really pissed.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Quit acting like a E-thug <!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> The US was jiffed by getting a "weaker engine", as in the KA24DE isn't as powerful as a SR20DET plain and simple. Face it the US got ripped out of a turbo, but the KA is no slouch either.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
kxjdfbhbv
True, but he is comparing ka24de to the sr20det without admiting that sr20det is a TURBO engine. As i understood his approach correctly, his view is "ka24de sux cuz it doesn't have a turbo so i'll just swap in sr20det cuz it got turbo, and i don't give a shit if there are turbos for ka cuz as it is it's 100hp weaker than sr20det".

Plus, iirc there were 240s in japan that didn't have a turbo....

[Y-49CRXsi]

I never said that the KA sucked in the first place ok. I do like the engine, mainly because of the low end power. It just seems like the sr swap is more logical (especially since i'm in an area where they are readily availible). I'm not opposed to a turbo kit for the KA either. Both ways would be great KA or SR...i'd just perfer the SR. And trust me Kreator, rice boys piss me off as much as you, that's why i'm getting away from honda. The next person that tells me to get "altezzas" is gonna make me flip out and go postal...thank got gay companies like APC haven't made "altezzas" for 240s yet...or have they?

[Kreator]

Well as i said. If you are getting an s13 it is more logical for you, just cuz you'll have more miles on it. What pissed me off was the "truck engine" comment. As for altezzas... don't think they are out there but i'm afraid they might show up soon.

[240sxtreme]

no altezzas, but I have seen metallic vinyl stickers to put over the taillights...kinda like the old 80's thing. you know what I mean? &nbsp;LOL....almost made me sick when I saw those on ebay.

[boosteds14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">no altezzas, but I have seen metallic vinyl stickers to put over the taillights...kinda like the old 80's thing. you know what I mean? &nbsp;LOL....almost made me sick when I saw those on ebay.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

yes definitly looks gay. dont do that at all

[wherezmytofu]

sleaper >clean> ricer

ka is a very great start off...with the right work u can get a 200+ hp n/a ka...if u know what ur doing &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[toddnappi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Y-49CRXsi @ May 19 2002,11:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And i don't have anything against the "truck engine", its just that it dissapoints me to see a much weaker powerplant in such a deserving car...that's all.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Dude you make no sense... you said you drove a CRX... if my memory serves me right that has like 60-90 hp and you're saying a 240 with 155 hp is weak? LOL. What, did you I/H/E on the CRX boost it past 155?

[Y-49CRXsi]

Yes, its true that the crx has 108hp. However, why they are quick is because of the low weight of the car. According to your logic, a street bike like a ninja only has like 130 hp (depending on the model), but when that 130 hp is pushing only 300 lbs. down the road....it GOES. Total HP isn't the only thing in the car world today, you must take in account other things that affect the overall outcome. Another example: friend's 91 supra (200 hp)....slow as SHIT (NA i might add). So my friend has about twice as much HP as I, yet i routinley beat him. Case closed....Y-49 CRXsi WINS.

[MasterOFDrift]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Y-49CRXsi @ May 21 2002,01:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said that the KA sucked in the first place ok. I do like the engine, mainly because of the low end power. It just seems like the sr swap is more logical (especially since i'm in an area where they are readily availible). I'm not opposed to a turbo kit for the KA either. Both ways would be great KA or SR...i'd just perfer the SR. And trust me Kreator, rice boys piss me off as much as you, that's why i'm getting away from honda. The next person that tells me to get "altezzas" is gonna make me flip out and go postal...thank got gay companies like APC haven't made "altezzas" for 240s yet...or have they?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stop digging yourself into a deeper Hole...... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[Balboa]

Here's my def. of a ricer:

All show and no go; no matter what car they own.

I, personally, do not like big wings or scary body kits mainly because they are police-happy. I also hate huge chrome rims, tiny wire rims, gold or silver fender accents, &nbsp;or pea-shooter exhausts.

I am not, in any way, nagging on Honda owners. My favorite local tuner shop is owned by Honda-freaks, but they always drool over my S14, which has only engine, suspension, and subtle interior mods. No huge wing or scary body kit.

I also am not, in any way, saying I am a honda freak. Before I had my S14 I had had only Maximas &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[MarketPlayer]

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>WOW! WOW! WOW!</span>

Guys, is this the way that you would want to be treated, if you were as newbie! &nbsp;Cut him some slack. &nbsp;He Was a honda owner, you can't blame him for calling the KA24DE a truck motor, b/c they probobly don't like us as much as we don't like them! &nbsp;You get what i am saying? &nbsp;The only thing that matters is that he has found the light, and is heading towards it! &nbsp;The truck motor thing is the only trhing i have read so far that makes me mad about this guys, and all I can say is..."you have learned your lesson!" &nbsp;Now please CRX guy if you have anymore questions about performance modifications, please start up a new poste and give us as much detail as you can think of! &nbsp;IE: if you want to know how much a intake will get you HP wise, then you must tell us what year/model car, manufacturer of intake, short/cold air system... &nbsp;Hopefully this will end the unneccessary bashing of you! &nbsp;In my opinion you can get a N/A KA24DE to over 220 hp. &nbsp;It will cost alot of money, but then again so will a turbo kit, or a sr20 swap! &nbsp;Since you were into the small displacement big horsepower thing, you might want to look into a CA18DET, you can probobly get one cheaper and then it would be a true 180sx if you buy a s13!

[camppain]

so he called it a truck engine
ignorance is bliss.

read my signature <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

and everything else he asked was justified and not stupid so get off his fucking back he didnt say he wanted to go sr do greddy dp greddy fmic sard bov zeal b6 wangan wing and some nice advans on a college cash limit did he? so hes not making anything seem unrealistic like most dumb asses that come here looking for a 240.

i saw a bunch of riced out 240's yesterday when i unfortunatly went street ricing (so called racing)

and a ka24de vs a sr20de the sr20de would win stock for stock trust me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> even with a few mods on the ka ive seen stock se-r's whoop 240's so dont think we have the fastest cars in the world. i own both a sr sentra and a 240 my sentra will hand it to my 240 in the straights, thats not what i want my 240 for.

your best bet and cheapest engine to swap would be a ca18det. better rev happy than a sr and more stable at higher rpms since the sr would need rocker arm stppers or you can spin the rocker arms and enjoy a nice popcorn noise and score your cam's <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

second hondas arent all ricers its the majority that ruins it for honda owners. it takes someone who knows alot about cars and tuning to make a honda competant. not ricey.

and i bid Y-49CRXsi a welcome to zilvia.net <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ May 25 2002,06:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Y-49CRXsi @ May 21 2002,01:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I never said that the KA sucked in the first place ok. I do like the engine, mainly because of the low end power. It just seems like the sr swap is more logical (especially since i'm in an area where they are readily availible). I'm not opposed to a turbo kit for the KA either. Both ways would be great KA or SR...i'd just perfer the SR. And trust me Kreator, rice boys piss me off as much as you, that's why i'm getting away from honda. The next person that tells me to get "altezzas" is gonna make me flip out and go postal...thank got gay companies like APC haven't made "altezzas" for 240s yet...or have they?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Stop digging yourself into a deeper Hole...... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
and like ur name wont get u into a deeper hole?

drifitng is equating to rice all of a sudden on here with the abundance of screen names popping up withit in them. do u even have a lsd? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

what makes u the jedi drifter?

obe no one wants to know me?

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (camppain @ May 25 2002,9:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and a ka24de vs a sr20de the sr20de would win stock for stock trust me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> even with a few mods on the ka ive seen stock se-r's whoop 240's so dont think we have the fastest cars in the world. i own both a sr sentra and a 240 my sentra will hand it to my 240 in the straights, thats not what i want my 240 for.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ya, and the se-r is what, 250 lbs lighter?? No shit it beats the 240.

as for the guy, things that made me bash him: a) a honda crx owner... assuming he had mods done to it, and a chance of seeing a modded but not riced honda is 1/1000... b)he called it a truck engine, that was just too much for me at least. A person coming in here and bashing a ka without even knowing what effects I/H/E has??? cmon.

[Y-49CRXsi]

OK, to get things straight once more. My post was an early post (well all of them could be classified as "early" since i've been here only like 15 days or so). That would explain my "truck motor" slang about the ka motor. I was simply a "honda boy" trying to get the facts down about the 240 and due to my initial ignorance, labled the ka as a truck motor. there, you have it, i called myself ignorant, i'll admit that. That's due to the fact that 95% of 240/silvias in magazines have the sr20 swap. Very very very rarely do you see a 240 in a mag with the ka still intact. thats what made me believe the ka was weak to start off with (not neccesarily WEAK, but magazines cherish the sr20 beyond belief causing me to believe that the sr20 WAS the only option for real power, and basically said "dump" the ka). Now i've realized the potenial of the ka motor alongside the other options such as the ca18. Thanks to those that have been helpful (even Kreator...in his "honda bashing" ways). Now i've been informed so much about the 240 it drives my "honda friends" mad...and hope to as always, learn more.

[SR20DET180]

HE HE HE HE

I live in Japan. &nbsp;I drive a 180SX. &nbsp;It came stock with a SR20DET. &nbsp;Japan did put that other C motor in the cars here. &nbsp;They can be built up to be very fast, it is prefered to start with the SR20DET. &nbsp;Forgive me for not remembering the exact number on the bastard child &nbsp;shit export motor but I don't play with them. &nbsp;Hey Honda guy, in Japan no one I repeat no one races hondas. &nbsp;Not even the flagship S2000. &nbsp;Over here Nissan's are a dime a dozen, then Mitsubishi's, and then Toyota's. &nbsp;So I commend you for buying a Nissan. &nbsp;Oh yeah, what the hell is a 240SX in Japan I've never seen one here, I did when I lived in the states.

By the way this is my first reply. &nbsp;Piss anyone off?
Sorry if I did maybe you can ask for parts and I can get them for you for the right price.

[guidot]

The KA is a truck motor. &nbsp;What it is not, is something to be ashamed of. &nbsp;If you want quick power out of the KA at low mileage, get the turbo kit. &nbsp;At 25psi "boosteds14" is doing something on the order of 450hp. &nbsp;
Now if you want the Silvia/240 to do what it was meant to, you would work on suspension. &nbsp;The S14 SE model, with the right wheel/tire combo, can outhandle a Viper on the skidpad. &nbsp;Look at AceInHole. &nbsp;He is now second in his class in almost every autox. &nbsp;He has almost no speed performance mods (cone filter). &nbsp;You will need to worry about STB's, Sway bars, springs/struts/coilovers and wheel/tire combos. &nbsp;
Adding bumpers and spoilers and such looks cool, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't add performance, thats for damn sure.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ May 27 2002,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The KA is a truck motor. What it is not, is something to be ashamed of. If you want quick power out of the KA at low mileage, get the turbo kit. At 25psi "boosteds14" is doing something on the order of 450hp.
Now if you want the Silvia/240 to do what it was meant to, you would work on suspension. The S14 SE model, with the right wheel/tire combo, can outhandle a Viper on the skidpad. Look at AceInHole. He is now second in his class in almost every autox. He has almost no speed performance mods (cone filter). You will need to worry about STB's, Sway bars, springs/struts/coilovers and wheel/tire combos.
Adding bumpers and spoilers and such looks cool, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't add performance, thats for damn sure.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What's your definition of a truck engine then? An engine that gets put into a truck?? Or the engine that gets the power at low rpms? If it's the first one, than it's just ghey. What if an sr20 gets put into a truck (and i believe some trucks do have them, correct me here)? Will it be labeled as a truck engine too then? If it's the second one, then how come firebirds and camaros have all the power at even lower rpms??? Are their engines truck engines too??

Anyways. As for suspension bull... i think it depends much more on driver's skill... i've heard of a guy in va that ran with all these C5s and other sports cars and got 1st place. He was driving a STOCK '90 CRX... so i guess it's not all about suspension

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 28 2002,12:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ May 27 2002,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The KA is a truck motor. What it is not, is something to be ashamed of. If you want quick power out of the KA at low mileage, get the turbo kit. At 25psi "boosteds14" is doing something on the order of 450hp.
Now if you want the Silvia/240 to do what it was meant to, you would work on suspension. The S14 SE model, with the right wheel/tire combo, can outhandle a Viper on the skidpad. Look at AceInHole. He is now second in his class in almost every autox. He has almost no speed performance mods (cone filter). You will need to worry about STB's, Sway bars, springs/struts/coilovers and wheel/tire combos.
Adding bumpers and spoilers and such looks cool, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't add performance, thats for damn sure.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What's your definition of a truck engine then? An engine that gets put into a truck?? Or the engine that gets the power at low rpms? If it's the first one, than it's just ghey. What if an sr20 gets put into a truck (and i believe some trucks do have them, correct me here)? Will it be labeled as a truck engine too then? If it's the second one, then how come firebirds and camaros have all the power at even lower rpms??? Are their engines truck engines too??

Anyways. As for suspension bull... i think it depends much more on driver's skill... i've heard of a guy in va that ran with all these C5s and other sports cars and got 1st place. He was driving a STOCK '90 CRX... so i guess it's not all about suspension</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LISTEN. &nbsp;The KA we all know and love (most of us) is not a "Truck" engine, and its not a "Car" engine. &nbsp;ITS A 240SX ENGINE. &nbsp;PERIOD. &nbsp;when it's in the 240. &nbsp;IT IS NOT A TRUCK MOTOR. &nbsp;(unless of course you welded a truck bed in place of your hatch, or trunk..)