Most HP for the buck?

[Hostile Apostle]

Alright guys I'm pretty new to the 240sx family, picked one up in February and I'm pretty sure that I want to go ahead and put some early performance parts on it. I have a 1995 240sx and I am trying to squeeze as much power out of the factory engine as possible.. Now I'm just wondering what some simple or cheap early upgrades would be for it for the most HP gain?

Later on I'm planning to do a Silvia conversion (what a surprise for a 240!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> and I'll be swapping with a SR20DET and all that stuff but that's much later in the future.

Any help would be greatly appreciated because as I said I'm brand new to 240's and just need some basic info.

Thanks.
(Sorry if this gets asked a lot I'm new to the forums too) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[AceInHole]

everyone else would say intake and exhaust....

i'd say turbo or nitrous oxide.

[BEISSEN]

I would say get intake, header and exhaust cus you can keep the exhaust when you do the swap "if you do it" and put a 75 shot of n.o.s.or if you want to be safe then just save rebuildthe ka and turbo that and be fine.but the intake and header will have to go.

[adey]

This is a nobrainer.. 'tis either "naws" or forced induction. Personally I think N20 is kinda ... well I won't post my opinions 'cause I'm bound to get me arse whooped... but let me recommend a Turbo setup (if you're willing to spend the cash) as the best way to make power. If you're looking for bang for the buck, I guess N20 is the way to go -- though it's not prolonged performance so much as a couple seconds of performance.
If not, then I'd imagine exhaust and intake will be where you look to start.

AD

[MasterOFDrift]

Well if you are considering to turbo the KA(stock engine) then you might as well do the SR20 swap now. THe cost is about the same, but you would be accomplishing what you planned for later now. Also if you are seriously planning on "increasing" the performance of your 240 the SR20DET engine sees bigger gains of hp with mods than the KA.

[rotaryknight]

Doesn't really matter since in the end you need everything to for anything to work......parts work complementary to each other. &nbsp;Doesn't matter if you go turbo if you have a choked up stock exhuast. &nbsp;Ok that a bit extreme but true.

So you get an intake...oooooo 2-3 HP or you just get an exhaust oh boy that would give you 5-7 hp. &nbsp;But you can't do crap with out either. &nbsp;

Best is to go step by step...in the end you will need it all for true power. &nbsp;There is no MAGIC modification that you can buy that just gains you power. &nbsp;

True something like N20 will give you a really good bang for the buck but even then you need other things to really make it work. &nbsp;How many cars you ever seen at the track who are serious about times run N2O and stock intake and exhaust?

Just go slow and plan out your car. &nbsp;Figure out what you want out of it in the end....and don't be a ricer. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[Kreator]

how bout this. save up money. forget about the silvia conversion and just get yerself a turbo. That way you won't look as nice but u defniately are gonna be faster.

[Kreator]

No, i didn't quote anyone &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ May 16 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if you are seriously planning on "increasing" the performance of your 240 the SR20DET engine sees bigger gains of hp with mods than the KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not again.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You know I saw that, and was going to say something, but I'll refrain myself. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[Hostile Apostle]

That really helps out a lot. I'll be looking into the swap much before I spend a lot on making it look good. So I'll start with intake and exhaust and probably wont end up spending much until I can afford the swap.

Thanks guys thats all I need.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 16 2002,1:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ May 16 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if you are seriously planning on "increasing" the performance of your 240 the SR20DET engine sees bigger gains of hp with mods than the KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not again.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You know I saw that, and was going to say something, but I'll refrain myself. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Are you implying i shouldnt've quoted that? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>

[Yoshi]

good plan.
I'm going SR so I worked on other things (coils, shox, poly bushings, rims, tires, etc).

Kinda goes back to an earlier thread, I'm a firm believe you should be able to use what power you have to it's fullest potention before you go out changing the power output of your car and have to learn how your car "works" all over again.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,4:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 16 2002,1:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ May 16 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if you are seriously planning on "increasing" the performance of your 240 the SR20DET engine sees bigger gains of hp with mods than the KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not again.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You know I saw that, and was going to say something, but I'll refrain myself. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Are you implying i shouldnt've quoted that? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
naw.. sometimes it's good to point out that you Shouldn't Point something out.. &nbsp;if you know what I mean..

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 16 2002,3:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,4:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 16 2002,1:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ May 16 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if you are seriously planning on "increasing" the performance of your 240 the SR20DET engine sees bigger gains of hp with mods than the KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not again.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You know I saw that, and was going to say something, but I'll refrain myself. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Are you implying i shouldnt've quoted that? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
naw.. sometimes it's good to point out that you Shouldn't Point something out.. if you know what I mean..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
heh true. i was battling myself over this because on one side i shouldn't point it out, cuz it'll attract attention, on the other side (the evil one) flaming issues kicked in.... and i was kinda mad at that point (other reasons) so evil won <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[AceInHole]

like i said... most bang for the buck is turbo the KA or buy a decent nitrous oxide kit. &nbsp;Pretty simply... with either you're gonna get up to a good 250hp before you're worrying about really killing your motor. &nbsp;

And it's very possible to turbo the KA for about 1/4th of an installed SR's price and get a good 200 - 250hp from it. &nbsp;At least, that's what I'm hoping to accomplish over summer. (TNord knows it.)

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,4:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 16 2002,3:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,4:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 16 2002,1:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 16 2002,10:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MasterOFDrift @ May 16 2002,03:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if you are seriously planning on "increasing" the performance of your 240 the SR20DET engine sees bigger gains of hp with mods than the KA.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not again.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You know I saw that, and was going to say something, but I'll refrain myself. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Are you implying i shouldnt've quoted that? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
naw.. sometimes it's good to point out that you Shouldn't Point something out.. if you know what I mean..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
heh true. i was battling myself over this because on one side i shouldn't point it out, cuz it'll attract attention, on the other side (the evil one) flaming issues kicked in.... and i was kinda mad at that point (other reasons) so evil won <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
MUHAHAHAHAHA .. &nbsp; Evil is good.. &nbsp; &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

got to let the evil loose when necessary

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 16 2002,3:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">like i said... most bang for the buck is turbo the KA or buy a decent nitrous oxide kit. Pretty simply... with either you're gonna get up to a good 250hp before you're worrying about really killing your motor.

And it's very possible to turbo the KA for about 1/4th of an installed SR's price and get a good 200 - 250hp from it. At least, that's what I'm hoping to accomplish over summer. (TNord knows it.)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I agree that N20 can be an alternative but the problem is like even a turbo people don't watch their A/F mixture and POP!

Plus i'm not sure how much a 240sx can hadle but most hondas can only handle a 50-60 shot and that's it on stock internals.

Also so like i stated you still need to buy other components to use the N20. &nbsp;

N20 installed and tuned right can give you great reliable HP. &nbsp;But the problem is that most kits are easy to install and most kids have no idea it's more than just slappin it on. &nbsp;It's not like a mustang where you can put a 150-200 shot kit on and no problem.

[Hostile Apostle]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ May 16 2002,3:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">good plan.
I'm going SR so I worked on other things (coils, shox, poly bushings, rims, tires, etc)..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I may end up doing the same thing and putting money into other things like suspension/coils/rims and then buying the SR and not worryin about anything <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[tnord]

anybody else notice that more often than not when people post something "of more than 2 standard deviations from the mean on a bell curve of IQ scores" that their name contains the word "drift?"

maybe it's just me, i dunno.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 17 2002,12:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">anybody else notice that more often than not when people post something "of more than 2 standard deviations from the mean on a bell curve of IQ scores" that their name contains the word "drift?"

maybe it's just me, i dunno.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ahh.. but that would also include 2 standard diviations to the right on the bell curve as well.. &nbsp;How would you account for the upper deviations in that assumption? &nbsp;I would think on deviation to the left would be appropriate?

[tnord]

yeah yeah chimp.......way to get me on a technicality. of course i meant 2 deviations to the left.

anyway......in all reality, tires are the best upgrade. don't really help acceleration (unless you have traction problems at launch), but the do dramatically improve handling and braking. so yeah, tires are the best, i always put tires on first.

[nrcooled]

I'm one of the idiots that put an SR in before any mods. &nbsp;I didn't even have an exhaust I just said I was going for the JDM look <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> j/k