Rebirth of the SX maybe? Nissan Urge?!

[exitspeed]

Well it's a start. This is a concept that will be debuted next month at Detriot (which I be at). It is a RWD 2400lb coupe to compete with the Solstice. It uses the 2.5 from the Frontier which makes like 170hp but I would expect that to be bumped up a bit. It's pretty excentric in design, but at least there's a ray of hope again.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/06-f3q-f.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v491/exitspeed/06-overhead.jpg

I know we've have 453,443,534,267,585,765 topics about bringing the 240 back, but this is the first concept I beleive that is RWD and same fundimentals.

Sorry if a repost...

[SilviaDriver]

ugliest POS i have ever seen. look at the wheels!

all of nissans cars are starting to look the same. same stupid looking headlights

[sizzlinbeef]

Is that the engine I see under that clear hood? Why is there a clear section at the bottom of the doors? When I drive with no pants on I certainly don't want anyone taking a peek.

[TOMKAIRA93]

futuristic look. I hope they come up with an S16 or something like that and not some weird looking car.

[exitspeed]

Come on guys it's a concept. Do you guys understand the concept of a concept?

Someone should PS the doors and hood and all that normal and some better wheels. I don't think it would look all that bad...

[silviaz]

ugly piece of shit... I can't beleive my eyes

[crioten]

lol, it doesnt weigh anything because, there isnt anything there :)

but i love the idea...

thats what a concept looks like. does anyone remember what the 240sx looked like in concept forms? i doubt you would like those concepts either

ive been having a problem with how much cars weigh nowdays (they are all heavy as hell with gutless motors), and with this, its almost the answer to my prayers (except the solstice/sky beat them to it...)

[exitspeed]

Here's more info...

Set to make its world debut in early January 2006 at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit is the dynamic Nissan URGE concept. A pure, powerful sports car with motorcycle-inspired styling, the rear-wheel drive URGE features a quick, high-revving, small-displacement engine, 6-speed manual gearbox, brushed aluminium-alloy wheels, colour-infused aluminium body panels and a driver-oriented cockpit with an integrated Xbox 360 gaming system. It was created by Nissan Design America, Inc., La Jolla, Calif.


The 360 thing is pretty dumb....but again it is a concept.

[AndysAutoSport]

"motorcycle-inspired styling" last I checked Nissan never built motorcycles hehe. They probably borrowed some styling from other manufacturers like Ducati. :coolugh:

Looks a bit weird but I'm sure it will progress into something that looks sort of like the 350Z, just watered down....

[crioten]

Looks a bit weird but I'm sure it will progress into something that looks sort of like the 350Z, just watered down....

kinda like a 240sx compared to a z car?

isnt that what the 240 has been about, the baby/little brother car?

:)

[IES13]

WTF! You got to love concept designs.....yuck!

[exitspeed]

I like the fenders! I want the door bulges gone and just make the thing less conceptiual and it wouldn't be that bad.

[CKAMC]

heck thats what the whole idea of an "sx" was back when they has the 300zx the "zx" part was aimed towards meaning the bigger sibling and the same went with the sentra end when they braught out the 200sx so it went
200sx->240sx->300zx.

remember everyone its just a consept but who knows they just might close that roof and change up the body a bit and before we know it they rename it a 250sx... in the mean time i think it is going to try and take over the possision of affordable performance as the versa is going to only carry the 1.8.

possible end to the sentra?

[TheSquidd]

I doubt that design will ever make it into production. I'd be fine with them adding 300-400lbs of body panels, keeping the powertrain, and putting some cheaper (nicer looking) rims on it. Concepts are always crazy. Look at the GTR concept, and what it developed into.

[neilsan]

At least Nissan is aknowledging the market interest for light/peppy/rwd/inexpensive cars again.

[crazyJDMstyle]

and it looks exactly like a 350z except uglier becaaauuse.........

[randyjordan]

ok its ugly

[drift freaq]

I have said this before I will say it again, Nissan already has plans on bringing out a New Silvia/SX(it will not be a S16 the S series chassis's are dead!!) . The concept for it has been in advertisements in Japan for the last year. Its already on the way. That concept is whole new deal. Though that concept does look like it has styling cues from the 250sx concept they have already shown in advertisements in Japan.
None the less, Nissan knows it has a whole in the lineup, expect something to fill it.

[trsilvias13]

it so sounds like a 240sx.. a 2 door coupe like car with a TRUCK motor. haha jk

[rockinpandas]

fugly as hell

[CKAMC]

Well its stil in concept stage... somehow between concept and production they manage to find someone with a brain to redo the looks for production.....Usually

[Thrill Capsule]

Jesus christ i hate concept cars. I love old nissans but seriously everything new they are making looks way to modern-euro or whatever you want to call it. I personally dislike it. I long for the old days of smooth soft lines, low roof heights, and non-18" or larger wheels. ::sigh::

[IES13]

Don't forget that Renault does own like 45% of Nissan Share and they have a large say in the designing of Nissan cars which can be seen in alot of their SUV and truck designs.

[theicecreamdan]

those wheels are hideous, I can see that concept evolving into something very good looking though.

[johngriff]

well... f renault, ugly cars and horrible sales in europe should have no bearing over a badass japanese sports car.

I think this concept is reminicent of the S13 91-94 in the front bumper, the way its rounded is pretty much the same thing. As well its very s13 reminicent with the fenderline that sweeps the door to the back fender.

I guess you can see how they are trying to stay in line with the "s" series, i just hope that the car isnt such a pile mechanicaly that it is completely undesireable. I mean... z33 rear suspension is the suck, to go from 4 link irs to lower a arms is just an abomination to what the nissan sports line should be all about. If this new "s" series follows suit with the same disgusting a arm design, count me out.

Has anyone heard of any turbo versions of the car, 170 hp is very disapointing (maybe i'll be first to swap an sr into one of these piles ;) )

[AndysAutoSport]

kinda like a 240sx compared to a z car?

isnt that what the 240 has been about, the baby/little brother car?

:)

True the Z chassis and the S chassis do share similar cues. :)

[hunterljc]

haha I think this is the first concept car that has actually made me laugh out loud.

[i8yourfwd]

jeeeeesus i think i just threw up a little in my mouth

[exitspeed]

jeeeeesus i think i just threw up a little in my mouth


So are you saying you don't like it???:ugh:

[ManoNegra]

Ok, so we all agree it's ugly. Kinda comes with the territory of concepts... try new shit.
The description to me at least, spells Lotus Elise... RWD, 2400lbs, aluminum panels, high reving motor... nothing wrong with that!
I'm kinda curious as to what the old Silvia concepts looked like. Anyone got anything to see?
drift freaq: Got anything for us to see about this new Nissan you talk about? Until I see it, it's just hearsay.
-Juan

[exitspeed]

Until I see it, it's just hearsay.
-Juan

Not technically hearsay, because the concept exists. Now whetehr this type of vehicle make sinto production (dumbed down obviously) is a whole nother story.

But your right about the Elise comparo. That's how C&D was discribing it. And we all know that the 2400lb weight will never make into production. I would expect it to be 2700-2900 and 180-190hp. Hey, it's halfway sexy I'm IN. By the time this thing could make production I'll be in the market for a brand new vehicle again. AND if you think about it, the VG35 may even go into becuase it has the chasis has same demensions. They just cut off the 350z's rear over hang to reduce the over all length by likt 15".

[aznpoopy]

it looks like a transformer. especially from the top view. in the second pic you could almost mistake it for a toy instead of a full size car.

[CKAMC]

Well here is my take on how this car may evolve from concept to production. first they will say "dam this looks like shit" and do something to the aero and then look at the $$ and do something to the looks again. Then I can see some continuous valve timing and maybe see a qr25det but that may be pushing it. I think we may see a 2600 maybe 2550lb car along with a simular suspension setup from the z33 and v35. I also smell a 6 speed since this is the future and they may try hard to kill 5 speeds. hlsd as well since thats the new standard equipment for many nissan now. This is as far as I am going to speculate until i speak with management here to see what they know.

[exitspeed]

This is as far as I am going to speculate until i speak with management here to see what they know.

What is your involvment with Nissan? Your not just a car salesman are you?:ugh: And what kinda info can you get?

[NemeGuero]

Does anyone have pics of the 240sx original concept? That would be kinda cool to see..

[DoriftoSlut]

http://www.netcarshow.com/nissan/2005-foria_concept/800x600/wallpaper_04.jpg

http://www.netcarshow.com/nissan/2005-foria_concept/800x600/wallpaper_0c.jpg

http://www.netcarshow.com/nissan/2005-foria_concept/800x600/wallpaper_08.jpg

http://www.netcarshow.com/nissan/2005-foria_concept/800x600/wallpaper_0d.jpg

In September 1964 the Datsun Silvia was launched. It was designed by the German, Count Albrecht von Goertz (best known for the BMW 507), and bears a striking similarity to the Lancia Fulvia designed by Pietro Castagnero launched six months later. About 140,000 Fulvias were produced but only 554 Silvias, which explains in part why the Fulvia is such a well known classic and the Silvia not, and also why people might assume that the Foria borrows heavily from the Lancia when it is paying homage to an important part of Nissan's design heritage.

The Foria's exterior designer Richard Winsor used the Silvia as a reference point, but not in the sense of a retro design like the new Ford Mustang or the Lancia Fulvia Coupe concept from two years ago, but more like the only other concept car of this ilk, the 1999 Nissan Z-Concept. The theme of the shallow shoulder surface that wraps almost horizontally around the entire car and the DLO shape are the main cues from the Silvia, but otherwise the design combines some of the flavour of classic sixties coupes (most notably the hint of 1963 Alfa Romeo GTV in the rear three quarter view) with clean modern surfacing and details.

'64 Silvia:

http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/SilviaFullLine1.jpg


Cool image:

http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/CSP311-S13.jpg


Obviously the Fulvia isn't a production car, i think its retro themes will be toned down, and i hope the RX-8 style rear doors go away, but this just shows that a Silvia is on Nissan's mind.

With Renault as a partner (who you guys hate on) they will be able to take the Silvia global so its not some Gran Turismo car no one has heard of outside USA and Japan. (only 240sx ENTHUSIASTS really know about a silvia here, no one else. Go ask your friend's Mom or something. They'll have no idea.)

Blah blah blah.

On a sie note, my friend got an Intenship with Renault design. He says the Decision makers there are all old senial men, but the designers are really really good. Hopefully the desicion makers don't get ahold of anything cool.

[exitspeed]

Pics don't work....

[DoriftoSlut]

Pics don't work....
Damn... ok let me get some more. They work on my computer but i think its cause i'm a member at cardesignnews.com..... hold on.

[mrmephistopheles]

it's ugly, but it's refreshing to see Nissan looking into this specific platform again
(light, rwd, etc)

[exitspeed]

it's ugly, but it's refreshing to see Nissan looking into this specific platform again
(light, rwd, etc)

That's really the moral of the story here. :2f2f:

[SimpleSexy180]

ew..

so hopefully this will come out to be something ill buy the day they are released.

[DoriftoSlut]

Fixed Image links.

[SimpleSexy180]

i knoe what u mean by nobody really knows what a silvia is...

but i actually like it that way.

[CKAMC]

What is your involvment with Nissan? Your not just a car salesman are you?:ugh: And what kinda info can you get?

I am just a parts guy out here in arizona that works for a dealership called pinnacle and run a wholesale nissan/infiniti website. I talk to a lot of different people from greg at nico to the guys and gals down at nissan motorsports. I would put up a link to my site but the forum mods I guess dont like me too much even when i try to offer then exceptionally nice prices on parts. before i started working for nissan i was just like you guys... crazy over a 240 and the fun that is associated with these cars. :2f2f:

[Wei240]

hopefully it'll turn out good... since the concept is, well, i think it's unanimous...

obviously i don't know crap, just ramblin'...
but why couldn't they have the same designer who designed the s-chassis...
all are hot.

it could look really small, hopefully it's not a compact compact, even though there's barely any room in the 240's, i still can haul some stuff... can't say the same of the lotus if that's what they are comparing it to..

[Pank]

Come on guys it's a concept. Do you guys understand the concept of a concept?

Someone should PS the doors and hood and all that normal and some better wheels. I don't think it would look all that bad...


i spent too much time on this for it to suck as bad. also, it looks horrible lowered unless you longen the front fascia, which i did.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5166/newnissan3oh.jpg

[TopClassGarage]

^ nice job on the PS, ya it will clear up before production like everyother concept, and a 14 year old kid with zits.

[TheSquidd]

I'd drift that ^^^



IF i knew how... :cry:

[SimpleSexy180]

pank that doesnt look all that bad :)


hmmm maybe some more deep lip rims and a hard top and maybe itll look pretty fresh.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Does anybody have any S14 concept pictures? I have never seen one and wanted to know how much it changed before production.

[Wei240]

Does anybody have any S14 concept pictures? I have never seen one and wanted to know how much it changed before production.
s14 concept pic = camry,
okay, i kid i kid..

yeah, i've never remember seen any s14 concepts...

[nigel1]

looks gay as christmas at first, but with a lil photoshop its not that bad.

[NemeGuero]

Hard top would be better..

and it needs more of an ass I think.

[infinitexsound]

panks version of the concept doesnt look all that bad.... good job pank...!

bring back the 510 and the silvia... 2 cars that deserves to stay on the market

[AllenRPS13]

the concept car does not look nice tho...

[EH9]

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[SimpleSexy180]

but it still looks like plastic though when i look at it

[240shorty]

I generally think there are generally two schools of concept cars. This one, like many, is the futuristic type. If and when it does ever see the light of day, it will almost certainly be redone, renamed, rethought to the point where any resemblance to the original concept is minimal. This is one of those concepts. Photoshopping it with wheels, while entertaining, is futile. The body panels will likely change substantially if they do produce it. The renaming sometimes pisses me off. That Saturn concept was called the 'Curve' when it showed at Detroit. It'll be a cold day when I buy a car called 'Sky'. And other car show regulars can probably sympathize when I say that the best car on that chassis (Curve, Solstice, VX) is by far the Vauxhaul VX. Why the US must get the watered down versions, even from GM, is beyond me. Someone please explain it.

The second type being the more realistic, basically, pre production types. These are generally pretty aesthetically pleasing. Examples include the '05 Mustang concept and the concept of the brand new Eclipse. Regardless what you think of the current Mustang, the concept was almost breathtaking. I was apalled to see the actual production version. While still a decent looking car, it was nuetered from concept to production. The Eclipse design was somewhat futuristic, but pretty sweet in person. The next year, I was again let down by the degree of reduction in appeal. It was nuetered in both styling and powertrain. The concept was approx 400 hp, AWD, with dual powerplants (gas/elec). I think the car is now FWD with much less power and weak styling.

The good RWD concepts don't seem to make it. Daimler Chrysler debuted a concept for a RWD, mid-engine tiny little car called the 'Slingshot'. 3 cylinder IIRC. I think it was modified and shown again as one of the SMART cars to be marketed to the Mercedes crowd to offset BMW's Mini. Price projections for the promising platform were grossly over inflated.

My point in all of this is that while many of you expect the concept to improve as it nears production, many and most cars actually lose a great deal between concept and real world. For the record, IMO it's a bit over the top, but I'd rock it at the right price.

[exitspeed]

Man that PS looks GOOD! I'd like to see a nice lip on the front. But really I like it like that...

[Silverbullet]

sigh.. new cars.

[DoriftoSlut]

The Foria concept I posted, although a bit heavy on european 60's influence, is way closer to production than this thing... this is even said to be for "playstation generation"... That's like... my 11-year-old brother!

[Gnnr]

KEYWORD: Concept.

[m072514]

i really hope nissan decides to change the styling of the foria, make it a legit coupe (no suicide doors), and sell it for cheap here (in the US). and i second the request for concept pictures of the S13, S14, and S15. i know somebody on here has them... please share!

[EchoOfSilence]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5166/newnissan3oh.jpg
it looks like a revamped Ford roadster. gay headlights need to go.

[TougeRacing]

it looks like it can drift harder than takumi

[c240sx13]

haha what if it rains?

[nissan_logik]

ok for the reason no S14 concept pics is...there wasnt an s14 concept. there wasnt an s13 concept either. concept cars only get created for origional production models. not for model style changes. im looking forward to the foria just for the fact that i predict itll look like a newer version of the 65 silvia. i predict smoother lines, keeping the z headlights(you may talk now but i think they'll make it blend better with the body lines), different tail lights(they are obviously taken off the S chassis tail lights, so they should stay similar), 2800lbs, probably keep the suicide doors, my best guess is a RWD QR25DE, probably tuned for around or slightly under 200hp, hopefully a helical LSD, definitely 6speed, possibility of a convertible model as part of the lineup, but definitely hardtop right away. most likely, the convertible will come out later on as a mix between the foria and the first concept on this post(forgot the name offhand).


cmon all you guys are thinking about is if that exact car went on sale. think of it as an amalgam of new ideas that the car will eventually take on.

personally i like it.

[SochBAT]

Can't beat the Jikoo!!
Reminds me of those old cars back in old cartoon batman.

Concepts that rocked my world:
Nissan's Jikoo, Arctic, Azeal, Zaroot, Bambu, TrailRunner, Mid4, Saurus, and 1900 Sprint.

Mostly roadsterish, some trucks and SUVs.

If i HAD to choose 1, it'd be the Saurus. Gotta love opentops.

[AllenRPS13]

i see that before... actually it's concept car, so... maybe wait and see if it will release...

[NemeGuero]

premie for 3 week bump!! w00t!

[SochBAT]

http://www.conceptnissan.com/

Look thru them all to REALLY see what i was talking about.

GOOOOO SAURUS!!!!

[WILDACEX187]

saurus is hot

[srpwrd]

The Nissan Sport looks wicked!!!

currently searching for more info on it!

[exitspeed]

Mid 4 is dope...300 Bambu is too....

[m072514]

ok for the reason no S14 concept pics is...there wasnt an s14 concept. there wasnt an s13 concept either. concept cars only get created for origional production models. not for model style changes.

so what do you make of the G35 coupe concept that just came out? or the 05 mustang concept? thats alot of authority you're speaking with, friend...

[mad s13]

actually there was some concept drawings and a few clay models of the s13 silvia...i got a book from japan that has some in it, if I can get some time soon i'll scan em and post em..

[floodshark]

That '85 Mid-4 concept is pretty damn hot, shame it didnt make it into production.
That 87' Mid-4 concept is looking mighty NSX-ish