240sx w/ s2000 motor

[motobum]

well boys and girls my name is benny and i have driven the car that got a three page thread about it.

its a great car. it is literaly the crazy fast and fun to drive, and please remember that this is at 5000ft.(ft collins colorado)

it has a custom tubular subframe. hundreds of pounds were removed from the nose of the car, and if you dont that is going to make a car handle better...
well then you must be retarded.

everyone that says this is a junk motor and does not belong in the this car should really start exlpaining themself? why a mazda and not the nissan? why a corrola and not the nissan?


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[Bushido]

that engine bay could use a good cleaning..

i don't think people were calling the motor junk.. i think alot of people just think there are better engine swaps out there than the F20C for the price, alot of people can't get past the torque figures of the F20C. personally, i think this motor could be well suited for a 240sx depending on what the car is intended to do.. but i have to admit i'd rather have a turbo V6 in in there making twice the torque numbers while still being lighter than a KA.

[Nachtmensch]

nice swap man :)

id like to see what its capable of now

[wootwoot]

The tubular subframe is quite impressive. Any pics of that? Ever get any 1/4 mile times? Ever actually weigh the car? Why in gods name is it being sold?

[BigVinnie]

I think it is a Honda engine why it is called junk. Over here in Nissan land alot of people are die hard fanatics of Datsun/nissan/Infiniti, it kind of destroys the reputation of Nissan when you put a Honda engine in it. For the price you get that F20c engine,there were no attemps to use any intellegence to build up the KA. Which I would like to say that for the same price you could of made just as much power with more torque than the F20C provides.
You could of even gone with your typical SR swap, which also provides more power and torque.
But eeh do what ever you want, just prove what you have on the track to earn your respect weither it is a Junky Honda engine in there or not.

[FRpilot]

I think it is a Honda engine why it is called junk. Over here in Nissan land alot of people are die hard fanatics of Datsun/nissan/Infiniti, it kind of destroys the reputation of Nissan when you put a Honda engine in it. For the price you get that F20c engine,there were no attemps to use any intellegence to build up the KA. Which I would like to say that for the same price you could of made just as much power with more torque than the F20C provides.
You could of even gone with your typical SR swap, which also provides more power and torque.
But eeh do what ever you want, just prove what you have on the track to earn your respect weither it is a Junky Honda engine in there or not.

:rl: :rant: :mepoke: i dont know why you keep refering to the s2000 motor as a junk HONDA motor. :ughd: there are other swaps that will make more power, be direct drop-in without custom mounting kits, and cheaper as well as easier to do. you're right on that as everyone else is saying that.. but why rag on the s2000 motor? it's one of the best engineered and designed motors out there which makes 240hp and revs to 9k rpms STOCK and all NA power! sure there is little torque, because of the way it is designed for top end power and the way the rods and crank is designed but this engine is a work of art.

[motobum]

I think it is a Honda engine why it is called junk. Over here in Nissan land alot of people are die hard fanatics of Datsun/nissan/Infiniti, it kind of destroys the reputation of Nissan when you put a Honda engine in it. For the price you get that F20c engine,there were no attemps to use any intellegence to build up the KA. Which I would like to say that for the same price you could of made just as much power with more torque than the F20C provides.
You could of even gone with your typical SR swap, which also provides more power and torque.
But eeh do what ever you want, just prove what you have on the track to earn your respect weither it is a Junky Honda engine in there or not.


ok but a s2000 motor will go 100,000miles and a built KA will go 20,000.

[jkim87]

agreed.... sweet swap.... :bigok:

[motobum]

ok but a s2000 motor will go 100,000miles and a built KA will go 20,000.

also its on AEM and it makes 220 at the wheel.

[drift freaq]

Benny, I have to agree with what the others were saying . I do not regard the F20C as junk. Its a dope ass engine, but when there are so many other Nissan engines available for our chassis's about the only thing that makes your swap logical is the fact that it could be CARB legal and EPA legal. Though I get the funny feeling you did not install the proper smog equipment with the engine to pull that off, if so then you wasted all your time and money for the sake of a unique swap that is not worth it.
Putting the engine in a 510 would make sense because there is no smog issue. If you did retain the all the legal smog equipment then I applaud you.
Otherwise you need to realize that your engine install is socially blasphemous in the Nissan community.
In being that that is so, you should not take it personally, if you do then you should not have done the swap. You opened yourself to scathing judgement when you commited to this swap, live with it or die by it. Its up to you.

[Shri2222]

poor 240 :( i give you props on the swap, but the grand question there so many good nissan motors why the hell you put a freakin f20 in the nissan. arg K20 why not spend your time building a RWD CRX with the f20, people would applaud that from the honda side. That swap gonna just get you flamed from the Nissan junkies and the Honda ones.. oh well what ever floats your boat. Nice work though

[motobum]

in colorado there is not much of emissions equipment that needs to be on it. just a cat and with a tune of the AEM it passes like a stock car. oh wait it is a stock motor.

the other problem here is that what most people would consider being out side the loop. as far as 240 community goes gives a person a free and unbaised mind.

so when resource are available and imaginations are endless. when goals are clear. you can end up with some very unique combinations that yeilds a great car.

its a motorsports car not a nissan/jdm trend car. this is the difference. plus im not sure how many of you guys do track days or even enjoy road racing but those that do will tell you they will take alot less power for the throttle response of naturally aspirated car. driving turbo cars requires a style.

and more revs means less down shifts. and if you are above 5000rpm (like anyone on the track is) there is no issue of torque.

all this car needs is to be sorted out, and it could mean a fast, fun, easy-to-drive, and above all reliable car. now if those are not goals of your then it is understandable why you do not understand the vision of this car.

[drift freaq]

in colorado there is not much of emissions equipment that needs to be on it. just a cat and with a tune of the AEM it passes like a stock car. oh wait it is a stock motor.

the other problem here is that what most people would consider being out side the loop. as far as 240 community goes gives a person a free and unbaised mind.

so when resource are available and imaginations are endless. when goals are clear. you can end up with some very unique combinations that yeilds a great car.

its a motorsports car not a nissan/jdm trend car. this is the difference. plus im not sure how many of you guys do track days or even enjoy road racing but those that do will tell you they will take alot less power for the throttle response of naturally aspirated car. driving turbo cars requires a style.

and more revs means less down shifts. and if you are above 5000rpm (like anyone on the track is) there is no issue of torque.

all this car needs is to be sorted out, and it could mean a fast, fun, easy-to-drive, and above all reliable car. now if those are not goals of your then it is understandable why you do not understand the vision of this car.
in the case of not needing emissions equipment in Colorado then it makes even less since to install the engine.
Free and unbiased mind has nothing to do with it either. We have already stated we like the engine. Its just that we feel you had plenty alternatives for what you were after in the Nissan engine line up.
Plus the fact that Nissan has a long and storied history with successful track engines NA and turbo.
In fact if your going to track your car its going to throw into a highly competive class with that particular engine installed, a highly modified class. Which basically means your going to be up against engines that have as much horsepower, as well as more torque.They may not rev quite as high but high enough.
S2000's have not done that well on the track because of the low torque levels of the engine. Once again I state the engine is an amazing 2 liter 4 banger. Though to make it out like its the end all for chassis's is close minded on your part.
I think you did it just to say you can. If thats so fine but please don't come here and patronize us with your claims of us being close minded and all JDM trend minded, you do not know any of us here. Your a newbie. You should sit back and learn and maybe you will become wiser and less cocky.

P.S. if you think I lack vision you should take a look at my sig and my slogan underneath my screen name . It also has nothing to do with trend in fact if I was trendy I would have a SR in my car.

[blackflag_Rms13]

Lets keep in mind that while it is an amazing engine capable of 240bhp at 9000rpms NA, it is only able to do so because honda created the most efficient piping possible that matches the motor perfectly. A lot of engineering went in to designing the exhaust, etc so that the motor could achieve such numbers. Now this does not mean that it is not an amazing engine, because it is. I think it would do wonders as an autocross car, especially with the incredibly lightweight engine. I am curious to if you have any dyno's to show the loss from the custom exhaust (unless you somehow retained an s2k's exhaust). IMO if I was to do this swap I would probably slap on a supercharger to make up for the relative lack of tourqe. Keep in mind that an F20C is attainable for about $3500 depending on where you get it... thats about what some people are charging for SR20's nowadays. Anyways props for a very nice and original swap, but clean your fucking engine bay man... all that work and the bay looks like shit...(no offence)

[atom]

I wouldn't mind a F20 in a 240 at all. Everybody says the S2000 is a torqueless wonder but stock for stock it makes the same torque as the KA and a lot more hp. Modified N/A? Forget about it, F20 all day every day.

[FaLKoN240]

If I had a choice between an SR and the F20 in Cali, I would take the F20 assuming it kept the smog equipment. It's more powerful than the KA. Smog legal, and I could do a shit load of things to it. I think the F20C is another marvelous engine that Honda makes, to go along with the famous B series, and soon to be K series.

All you Nissan guys are way too biased about your motors.

[breakindrifts]

I don't know about Nor-Cal but down here even if your car passes smog, they arent going to pass you for inspection when they pop open your hood to reveal a high-comp honda motor in your nissan.

F20C is like Hondas cutting edge engine, and I dont think its fair to compare it to the KA, which has over a decade old technology.

For the money that went to it, I would have boosted the KA and reliably yielded more power for probably half the funds, but that is definitly a unique swap. It's just not really effiecient in my opinion. Why have to wait for the motor to wind up till 6.5k + rpm when you can be well in the torquey powerband at 3.5k rpm in a ka-t?

"and more revs means less down shifts"- Not if your engine doesnt start making peak power until 6500 rpms, less upshifts and more downshifts makes more sense here.

[Kinematics]

Sweet setup. Don't listen to the whiners, someone is gonna bitch no matter what you do. I personally think that's a nice swap.

I'm also down here in Westminster. Colorado represent! :boink:

[OptionZero]

Boosted F20C's do fairly well if properly done, perhaps more so than a KA or SR? WHo knows enough about both F and SR/KA to speak definitively?

I read S2kI, but they don't exactly talk about the KA and SR there..

[420sx]

I think it is a Honda engine why it is called junk. Over here in Nissan land alot of people are die hard fanatics of Datsun/nissan/Infiniti, it kind of destroys the reputation of Nissan when you put a Honda engine in it. For the price you get that F20c engine,there were no attemps to use any intellegence to build up the KA. Which I would like to say that for the same price you could of made just as much power with more torque than the F20C provides.
You could of even gone with your typical SR swap, which also provides more power and torque.
But eeh do what ever you want, just prove what you have on the track to earn your respect weither it is a Junky Honda engine in there or not.



speak of this when you have a built KA that actually was built by YOU.

i love it when everyone that never had a turbo engine or ever turbocharged anything speak of it as its trivial. :duh:

i heart F20c :drool:


i like how people in this thread bash it just cause its a "HodUh".....

engine is just a powerplant, use whatever u want. stick an ls1 in it for all i care. it doesnt have to be a nissan engine, stop being so obsessive compulsive about things. :keke: fags

[Phlip]

Someone please tell me why in the hell it warranted another thread to continue this pissing contest?