LSD options while on budget

[Ricks15]

Yeah I was looking around and there is a shop that can swap in VLSD's from SE S13's for $500 to 240's that have open diffs. $500 dollars seems like alot but then again an LSD is a must if you want to drift right. For another $500 more you can have a KAAZ installed but thats around $800 plus install, So for someone who does not have a LSD and has open diff do you think its a good mod for 500 bucks???

[Ian]

get a clutch type...forget about VLSD

[Dousan_PG]

used 2 way clutch is in the 500 range usually
get a cluch lsd if u want to drift
dont waste time on the VSLD because you'll end up upgrading it anyways

[fliprayzin240sx]

Damn...$500 installed for a VLSD. I got mine for like $150 and to make it better, i lucked out and it had some kind of clutch type in it. But yah, its not mandatory to drift with LSD but it makes it a hell lot easier to hold a drift with one.

[ghostuss]

weld ur open diff and call it a day.

[drift freaq]

Yeah I was looking around and there is a shop that can swap in VLSD's from SE S13's for $500 to 240's that have open diffs. $500 dollars seems like alot but then again an LSD is a must if you want to drift right. For another $500 more you can have a KAAZ installed but thats around $800 plus install, So for someone who does not have a LSD and has open diff do you think its a good mod for 500 bucks???
excuse me, but most s13 SE 's came with open differential, unless they were hicas cars. On top of that you can buy a VLSD for like $200-250 and have a shop throw it in your car for like $100-150. Hell, I will sell you a VLSD for $250 and you can put it in yourself. The shop that quoted you $500 is pricey.
I know a shop that would sell you a Nismo installed for like $850 thats only $350 more than what that shop quoted you on a VLSD.

[Ricks15]

It was JSPEC that has that VLSD for 500, So where ca I get one for a lot less?????

[FaLKoN240]

Be a big boy, install your own shit. Unless it's a clutch type, I dunno how to do that shit. If you really want to "Drift" don't bother with VLSD.

1. Because Drift king says they suck

2. Because I say they suck.

3. You can weld your diff for cheaper, and better outcomes.

[Ricks15]

Welded Diff???? I heard its way too F**king hard to do anything like drift, Plus Welded diff transfers way to much power which make it tricky to drift.

[FaLKoN240]

If you think it's too hard to drift, go to ShockDrifting.com. All of the members of shock drifting have weld.

[Eternal_240Sx]

you heard wrong. having a welded diff is like having a 2way except more harsh.

[FaLKoN240]

WTF are you talking about? I have a welded diff. Don't say anything unless you've DRIVEN ON IT. I don't want to hear tales of what you "heard."

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

Welded Diff???? I heard its way too F**king hard to do anything like drift, Plus Welded diff transfers way to much power which make it tricky to drift.

you have read a lot of missinformation then. i suggest you follow falkon's suggestion and check out shockdrifting.com. if all you are gonna do is drift, welded is cheap and extremely effective. and as the drift king says...if you get understeer... PULL THE E-BRAKE! :2f2f: :duh:

[Ricks15]

So How much would it cost to get the damn diff welded???? And would I need to go to a Welder or to just any old mechanic that has the skills to weld? or what??

[FaLKoN240]

Well, if you're in socal, you should probably ask Ghostuss where he got his welded. If they did a good job? You wanna make sure the welds are HEAVY, no fucking baby rabbit shit pellets.

[Ricks15]

Opps one more thing is it dangerous when driving in the street???

[Ian]

buy one from the Shock Drifting guys

i think it's Luke that does it...has his own "brand" i think

[ghostuss]

safe on the street? I say safer than an open diff. I would be scared to push the open diff cause it's hard to predict. You can always predict the welded diff. My car has welded diff in it. the only thing that probably makes it a bad daily driver is the sound the car makes in slow turns. the tire will grip and ungrip and repeat at a turn. For fast turns it's all the same.

welded diff, 2 way diff, vlsd. They are all the same to me. you just have to change ur driving a little to compensate for the difference.

[FaLKoN240]

The only thing dangerous about driving a welded diff on the street is yourself. If you can not drive like a jack ass you'll be fine. This goes especially in the rain.

Another thing that is dangerous, is when you turn slow in parking lots, you might make babies cry with the tire chirps.

[Andrew Bohan]

this discussion again? it's like a weekly thing.

anyways, check out http://www.shockdrifting.com/weldlocd.html

i don't know anyone with a weld locd who doesn't like it.

[SoSideways]

Wow, shipping them diffs with the pumkin must cost a pretty penny huh?

[Andrew Bohan]

yeah they're about 75lbs

[SoSideways]

Yeah I know, my skinny ass almost broke my back lugging that shiz around...

Oh, and when it fell on my arm cause I wanted to save my gf from having her face smashed in by the J30 diff when we were trying to put it on my car in my parents' garage with just the car on jackstands, it did not feel too good (like my run on sentence?).

Hmm... might cost quite a bit to ship that mofo to Luke to get welded and have it shipped back then...

[sideview_180sx]

you are in LA, hit up flybert to weld up your diff. Quick and easy. don't bitch about killing tires fast. that is what drifting is about. If youwant to road race then get clutch type.

[Dousan_PG]

yeah only road racers use clutch lsd
fuck


how many of these people who LOVE welded have actually owned a new clutch lsd that is 2 way?
sounds likethose guys who sayd s13 is the greateset drift car EVER and have yet to drive any other car drifting.

[downforce III]

well drew i don't think there much else to say here, the point is straight foward: weld ur open diff, perferably from luke. I driven on Kaaz two way, not to much difference then welded one, this goes into a lot of detail, but all i wanted to say i have welded diff for almost 2 years now, daily drive it, rain or shine, never have problem with it. its the way to go, period.

[trevor]

but what ever you do dont wast your $ on a vlsd. it will not last and will be unpredictable while it does work
my $0.02

[DP_Michelle G]

Sorry for the Thread jack, but is there anyway to tell the difference between a clutch type lsd and vlsd with out taking off the diff cover.

[EchoOfSilence]

well stock 240's only came with open-diffs or vlsd's, if that answers your question

[Andrew Bohan]

an aftermarket clutch type will clunk. unless it's completely worn out.

[DP_Michelle G]

an aftermarket clutch type will clunk. unless it's completely worn out.

so it will "clunk" even if the diff is out of the car?

[Var]

yeah only road racers use clutch lsd
fuck


how many of these people who LOVE welded have actually owned a new clutch lsd that is 2 way?
sounds likethose guys who sayd s13 is the greateset drift car EVER and have yet to drive any other car drifting.


I had a brand new Tomei 2-way. It worked GREAT..like..tits. Just like the Weld Locd with a tiny bit more grip and a buttload more clunking.

[240SeXy!]

I saw the wurd Budget, here you go 20 bux and maybe a 12-pack of beer, ill weld your Diff, Welded diff feels the same as a 2-way and much less cost, 2-way is a little different but you wont feel the diffrence unless you are very experanced, but if its just backyard drifting with low budget, Welded Diff, go get a open slip weld it and keep you other open for daily driving or just weld your stockie, just my 2 cents..

Good luck, have fun, and allways be sexy! :bowrofl:

[Andrew Bohan]

so it will "clunk" even if the diff is out of the car?

having it installed in a car isn't the only way to make it clunk. turning the output shafts at different speeds is what does it. try it out

[DP_Michelle G]

thanks...........

[Omarius Maximus]

Welded diff? it maybe ok on a rockclimber Jeep but on a 240 its like cut springs. Why not save some money and get a 1 or 1.5 way.

[FaLKoN240]

Because this thread is called LSD ON A BUDGET. Last time I checked, LSDs weren't cheap.

[Arsenal of Glory]

yeah only road racers use clutch lsd
fuck


how many of these people who LOVE welded have actually owned a new clutch lsd that is 2 way?
sounds likethose guys who sayd s13 is the greateset drift car EVER and have yet to drive any other car drifting.

exactly.....its like everyone that buys welded diffs then say its fucking champ because it "works" doesnt mean a damn thing when they havent compare to a real 2 way clutch type. I also wondered how many people out there with welded diffs actually OWN/OWNED a 2 way clutch lsd and drive it daily and drift often rather than just putting a welded diff in their car and calling it a day without thorough comparisons.

i'd rather have a used Nismo SSS 2 way LSD or whatever over a welded diff. sorry but drifting comes with a price.

[Var]

exactly.....its like everyone that buys welded diffs then say its fucking champ because it "works" doesnt mean a damn thing when they havent compare to a real 2 way clutch type. I also wondered how many people out there with welded diffs actually OWN/OWNED a 2 way clutch lsd and drive it daily and drift often rather than just putting a welded diff in their car and calling it a day without thorough comparisons.

i'd rather have a used Nismo SSS 2 way LSD or whatever over a welded diff. sorry but drifting comes with a price.


read a few posts up and you'll see my comments about it

[Var]

Welded diff? it maybe ok on a rockclimber Jeep but on a 240 its like cut springs. Why not save some money and get a 1 or 1.5 way.


That's a stupid analogy.

Coilovers vs cut springs is different than 2-way vs welded. you lose. game over

[Dousan_PG]

i use a 2 way (nismo sss actually) because i dont want the constant push the welded will give, in grop or drift
its all personal preference though id like to try a welded on my car, see how it feels.

[FaLKoN240]

exactly.....its like everyone that buys welded diffs then say its fucking champ because it "works" doesnt mean a damn thing when they havent compare to a real 2 way clutch type. I also wondered how many people out there with welded diffs actually OWN/OWNED a 2 way clutch lsd and drive it daily and drift often rather than just putting a welded diff in their car and calling it a day without thorough comparisons.

i'd rather have a used Nismo SSS 2 way LSD or whatever over a welded diff. sorry but drifting comes with a price.

How many of you super ELITE 2-way owners have owned a welded diff? I don't recall this thread "A pissing contest, which is better Clutch type or weld?"

He is asking for a CHEAP LSD. Last time I checked if your diff is welded, that means it doesn't slip. AT ALL. 2-ways are expensive, because you must buy the clutch packs. Get it installed. Then you gotta maintain it.

If you have good welds on your welded diff you don't gotta do shit for it. The gears never wear out because there aren't any. A welded diff at best is a $100 investment in your car.

A clutch types cost varies on the length of time you keep the car, and how often you over haul it.

/thread.

O, and there are 2 people that posted in this thread that have had BOTH in their possession. Read the thread.

[Var]

i use a 2 way (nismo sss actually) because i dont want the constant push the welded will give, in grop or drift
its all personal preference though id like to try a welded on my car, see how it feels.


Nobody is saying a welded is better in a performance aspect. And sucks for gripping at lower speeds. Definitely ok for a drift only track car, especially a SECONDARY track beater that you dont want to spend 800 bucks on, and you dont want a gay vlsd for. It's the pure genius factor. Weld them shits up.

[Arsenal of Glory]

How many of you super ELITE 2-way owners have owned a welded diff? I don't recall this thread "A pissing contest, which is better Clutch type or weld?"
.

sorry, but im not the one making this into a pissing contest. I didnt say one was absolutely better than the other. You're the one directing towards me making me sound like i was making it into a pissing contest.

Var was the only other one that had a clutch type aftermarket LSD and someone else said they have "driven" on one. A more appopriate comparison would be to own both and used for quite a while.

I had a welded diff at one point, used it for a couple months. It did its job, but just not as "comfy" and "predictable" as my Tomei TTA. "Comfy" because the engagment had a smoother transition, "predictable" because my driving input got ahead the 2 way LSD before the 2 way LSD got ahead me. Again its driver preference, but welded diff was way too annoying for city/daily driving over a 2 way clutch type aftermarker diff. Installing it is simple too, just need time and a strength to crack open the pumpkin, plop in the gear/guts, align it and reverse installation procedure. Maintenance is fucking cake too. If you want to save time, just drop the pumpkin and bring it to a shop to install the lsd for you if you're not confident in doing it yourself.

[sideview_180sx]

BTW welded eats tires mega times quicker then 2-way since it can't disengage to allow the wheels to turn at different speeds.

[Andrew Bohan]

when you're drifting it doesn't really make a difference. the tires will die from drifting before they'll die from that

[SoSideways]

So basically, for a car that will serve triple duty as a daily driver, road racer, and drifter, a clutch type 2-way would be preferrable, although the 2-way will probably make the car push a little at turn in for road racing....

[Dousan_PG]

for doing that much, a 1.5 would be more suitable
1.5 isnt too far off for the feel of a 2 way

[SoSideways]

True. Thanx, you rule.

[Omarius Maximus]

Because this thread is called LSD ON A BUDGET. Last time I checked, LSDs weren't cheap.

A welded diff isn't an LSD. Limited slip differential implies that there is slip at some point. So whether VLSD, 1, 1.5, or 2 way, while the car has grip and neither rear tire is slipping, then it is 1 wheel drive.

Your "welded diff" is a NSD No Slip Differential, 2wd all the time, so you shouldn't even be recommending it in this thread.

I can understand it's use if you just have a ghetto drift car that you like to abuse but if its seeing any type of road use, then save the money and buy an actual LSD.

[Omarius Maximus]

That's a stupid analogy.

Coilovers vs cut springs is different than 2-way vs welded. you lose. game over

both cut springs and welded diffs are big fat compromises.

both do a fraction of what their quality counterparts do.

That was the basis of my analogy, it's too bad you can't comprehend that.

[Omarius Maximus]

LSDs on a budget: please recommend a cheap VLSD, Helical, or clutch type. NO WELDED DIFF.

[theicecreamdan]

Welded diff isnt a HUGE compromise like cut springs vs coilovers.

I still havent decided what i wanna get, I've ridden in cars with clunky diffs and I think its the coolest noise ever, its like clunk grip on!

[Dousan_PG]

omarius get a used one. thats the'cheapest' you'll find. no doubt.no i dount know where you can find it. thats your job to find out. call around, hunt around.

[Ritz S14]

If you daily drive your car, expect acclerated tire wear with your welded diff.
Tires can cost $$.

I can live with teh clunking.. But when you go out to "nice" places, people will give you strange looks..ahha

[HyperTek]

I dont personally like welded.. its not my first choice.. way too easy on street tires to drift, like you dont need to clutch kick to break the rear out.. If i had a beater car tho, id do it if i didnt want to spend money. Horrible for daily driving, freeway driving/rain or just driving and running over water is scary. One of my friends with welded diff is actually planin to give it up for a open diff just cuz he daily drives and doesnt need it right now. I just cant imagine doing spirited/canyon driving with a welded, then again, the welded diff cars i drove didnt really have any good suspension mods..

If your starting out with a stock 240,
id recommened coilovers first.. then lsd.. you can still drift on open diff..

Otherwise, I love my nismo 2way, but i havent done anythign with it yet.. =(

[Var]

both cut springs and welded diffs are big fat compromises.

both do a fraction of what their quality counterparts do.

That was the basis of my analogy, it's too bad you can't comprehend that.


In an analogy, the 2 things being related to eachother have to have the same context. I'm sorry you think you're smart. But you're simply a buffoon.


LSDs on a budget: please recommend a cheap VLSD, Helical, or clutch type. NO WELDED DIFF

First off i'd like to clear something up. Is the thread starter's main intent to drift? That's the impression i got.

Maximus..you are not understanding the point of the thread. Do you know what the word budget means? Helical and clutch types are NOT "budget" differentials. And a VLSD is a waste of time to have for a drift car.

To all assholes in this thread. I have had open diff, vlsd, 2way, welded.
If you guys haven't had all of the above, it's time for you to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Would you take the opinion of someone who's had it or some idiots that stand behind their idealogy with no good reason.

If this car is NOT going to be a drift car, then i DO NOT recommend getting a welded diff. In this case i would go with a vlsd only for driving in the mountains, otherwise i would keep the goddamn open diff cause you're useless and youre not doing anything with the car. If you are road racing, then a cheap diff just wont cut it, but even then i'd go with welded over vlsd

I have a vlsd for you if you want it. In norcal. 150 bucks and you can use your stock 6 bolt axles. Shouldnt take you more than 2 hours to swap and that's if you suck at cars. Personally, i would rather not make the money off my vlsd and have you go get a welded diff to experience it in all it's glory.

[big_schaf]

Well said Var

[420sx]

theres not that many choices. and for drift it doesnt get any better than welded diff. and its cheap too. need to tow? ok disconnect the axels and ur done

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

interesting points being made. I am serisously thinking welded now as opposed to 2 way. I like the thought of being able to get one for a damn good price as opposed to an ass raping price. Anyone know where I can get one welded up in the DFW area? If so, please send me a PM. I will be searching for myself, but help is appreciated. Thanks

[theicecreamdan]

what we should do is get some actual Spools made, I bet we could get the price under 200 bucks if enough people were interested. its just a trip to a CNC guy. Maybe I'll talk to a few people up here and see what kinda prices it would be.

[Omarius Maximus]

[QUOTE=Var]In an analogy, the 2 things being related to eachother have to have the same context. I'm sorry you think you're smart. But you're simply a buffoon.[QUOTE=Var]

if my previous post wasn't context enough, then your the nincompoop.

a person can create context for any analogy period. There will never be an analogy without context because an analogy IMPLIES context, after all if two items are in an analogy, then they are analogous to the person who put them in the analogy. The simialarity shared between the two items is all the context you need.

Okay so you've experienced a lot of lsds but then again so have I.
The only problem is that I've tried a welded diff and I don't like it. Why do you? Because the way a car feels is subjective. To you a welded diff may be tolerable, but to me it isn't. Just because you've tried all the diffs, doesn't mean everyone will have the exact same reaction as you.

I do agree that on a drift car a welded diff will be ok. Also on a drag car. But the originator of the post sounds like hes either a college or highschool student and this is his only car. Yeah its a big assumption, but Thats what it sounds like to me and under those circumstances I would not recommend it unless your an extremely hard core drifter.

[FaLKoN240]

I'm not an extremely hardcore drifter, my car is a daily driver, and it's my only car. I have a weld. It's not that bad. This car is slowly being converted into more of a track car, because all the stuff I see myself putting on my car makes its "creature comfort" go down. I just urethaned some motor and tranny mounts, soon I'm going to get coil overs. I'm NOT an extremely hardcore drifter. To me, welded diff isn't bad.

IF you like to cry about that kinda shit, you should just get a fucking BMW. Because once you start "upgrading" your car 90% of the time the upgrades make it less daily driveable. For example:

You add horsepower= less gas mileage

You stiffen suspension= less kidney

You get Clutch LSD= more clunking on the freeway

You get weld= Hoppy ride and chirping while turning slowly, "eats tires" etc.

The weld does many things correctly for the amount of money you spend. As the famous saying goes "you get what you pay for."

The pros outweigh the cons. Just like you said "it's subjective" but to knock the diff because YOU don't like it is a poor arguement point. If personal preference played a factor in FACTS. There would be a lot of people in jail right now.

As for your logic on analogy, a good analogy uses 2 VERY similar things to imply your meaning. Although you CAN use 2 things that are in the same category "Cars" but are 2 different systems on the car "suspension" and "drivetrain" your meaning could be loss in the shear difference of the 2 comparisons.

Also, YOU'RE the nincompoop. Look up yourstupid.com.

[Var]

[QUOTE=Var]In an analogy, the 2 things being related to eachother have to have the same context. I'm sorry you think you're smart. But you're simply a buffoon.[QUOTE=Var]

if my previous post wasn't context enough, then your the nincompoop.

a person can create context for any analogy period. There will never be an analogy without context because an analogy IMPLIES context, after all if two items are in an analogy, then they are analogous to the person who put them in the analogy. The simialarity shared between the two items is all the context you need.

Let me make a better analogy

Putting a clutch type lsd in 98% of people's cars
Putting 100 octane in a stock SOHC KA

You guys think too highly of yourselves if you think you're better off spending the money.

Chew on that for a couple hours..enough grammar lessons though.



Okay so you've experienced a lot of lsds but then again so have I.
The only problem is that I've tried a welded diff and I don't like it. Why do you? Because the way a car feels is subjective. To you a welded diff may be tolerable, but to me it isn't. Just because you've tried all the diffs, doesn't mean everyone will have the exact same reaction as you.

O it's subjective now? So you're admiting that telling people to not recommend a welded diff is stupid because some may like it. glad we cleared that up

I do agree that on a drift car a welded diff will be ok. Also on a drag car. But the originator of the post sounds like hes either a college or highschool student and this is his only car. Yeah its a big assumption, but Thats what it sounds like to me and under those circumstances I would not recommend it unless your an extremely hard core drifter.

If that's the way you look at it, then you shouldn't have a clutch lsd either, cause it's even MORE noisy and uncomfortable for daily driving than a welded. Glad you're agreeing with me here.

[Omarius Maximus]

Okay I give up, go get a welded diff. I'm dumb your so smart thats that. I'm tired of arguing. not worth it anymore.

[Andrew Bohan]

yay! var wins

A welded diff isn't an LSD. Limited slip differential implies that there is slip at some point. So whether VLSD, 1, 1.5, or 2 way, while the car has grip and neither rear tire is slipping, then it is 1 wheel drive.

Your "welded diff" is a NSD No Slip Differential, 2wd all the time, so you shouldn't even be recommending it in this thread.


a welded diff is a NSD and an LSD. in this case the limit is 0.

[Edgar]

From expierence man I hated the vlsd with a passion. I would keep saving up money and just go with a kazz 1.5 or 2

[i8yourfwd]

just stop crying and get a welded.. jesus. It's less than $100 and you can't go wrong. If you absolutely hate it, OH NO! you wasted a measly $100. Not that big of a deal. You won't hate it though ;)

[sciamop]

From my experience, the VLSD is more suited for rain and snow than 10/10ths performance driving -- under load, the VLSD can actually take a second or two to fully lock. It is predictable... It just takes a little time to get there.

However.

Since the original poster doesn't really seem like the hardcore road race/drift/JDM-tite type, it is probably the best choice: OEM, easy to find, etc. Get the entire subframe from a VLSD car and it's a pretty easy swap:

-- 4 bolts on driveshaft/pumpkin
-- 6 bolts on subframe/suspension
-- e-brake/brake lines
-- WAM! That shit is out
-- Benchpress VLSD subframe in
-- Tighten bolts
-- Drive
-- Sell the old open diff subframe to someone else. Tell them WELDED is the best evar. :)

Drop in a set of solid subframe spacers while you are at it!

--------

Oh, and when it fell on my arm cause I wanted to save my gf from having her face smashed in by the J30 diff... it did not feel too good
LMAO, good stuff. I hope you are OK. ;)

[sciamop]

Thread Hijack Attempt:

Andrew, I just checked out shockdrifting.com.

http://www.shockdrifting.com/articles/view.php?id=49

The FD build-up is classic. What is with your crew's affinity for sleeping on the shop floor?! I wanna move to socal so I can be on the receiving end of The Shocker :ugh:

[FaLKoN240]

Shock Drifting is in Norcal.

[Andrew Bohan]

and therefore norcal is on the giving end of the shocker
and socal is on the receiving end of the shocker.

[SoSideways]

Oh, and when it fell on my arm cause I wanted to save my gf from having her face smashed in by the J30 diff... it did not feel too good
LMAO, good stuff. I hope you are OK. ;)

Yeah I'm fine now.

That was like a year and a half ago, so I'm quite ok now.

I think I might try the welded diff here soon. But ultimately I think a 1.5 way KAAZ would be my ideal setup.

[240SeXy!]

just stop crying and get a welded.. jesus. It's less than $100 and you can't go wrong. If you absolutely hate it, OH NO! you wasted a measly $100. Not that big of a deal. You won't hate it though ;)


http://www.buyolympia.com/combined/images/readbutton_med.jpg

[leftyteck]

sorry to revive a dead thread... but i got a quesiton about daily driving a welded diff... it seems to me like turning could be significantally harder because the rear wants to go straight and the front wants to turn all the time? i understand the clutchtype differential would still lock up but it seems like it would be less harsh?

just a theory... someone want to reflect on it?

[i8yourfwd]

Daily driving, your car will make screeching noises. Grip driving, if you push your car, you'll have lots of understeer at entry. But then again you said for daily driving....

[CHARLIE2020]

Has anyone here every swaped in a old as dirt Z31 LSD, is it pretty straight forward could use just swap the internals over to your case and use the VLAS output shafts or do you have to use the Z31 output shafts? I have no clue but there are a few 87 300Z Turbo's in a J/Y I know of.

[clutch kick drifter]

I just got my vlsd installed and absolutley love it. I say learn on vlsd and then upgrade.

[andrewmp6]

what would be a good lsd for a daily driver that i do some auto cross and road racing on the weekends

[clutch kick drifter]

exactly what i said... vlsd. I have a 92 with SR and im daily driving it while doing some drifting and autocross. Go with vlsd for like 200 bucks.

[Uniac]

any opinion on shimming a stock VLSD to lock it?

http://d1nz.org.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9610

i've been considering this for my Cefiro as a cheeper alternitive for now to a 2way.

[usdm180sx]

All of my friends that have welded diffs in their daily drivers say it sucks. ESPECIALLY in the rain. It's TEN times worse if you have bald tires.

[IMPerfection]

All of my friends that have welded diffs in their daily drivers say it sucks. ESPECIALLY in the rain. It's TEN times worse if you have bald tires.
Since driving in the rain on bald tires is already a good idea? :werd:

[jedc]

I've ridden in a car with both a welded diff and a vlsd. The welded diff was fun but definately a track only car. It pushed really bad at low speeds because it had no slip. The vlsd can hold its own and is definately an upgrade from open diff. Forget about driving a welded diff in the rain even if you have good tires.

Anyone know anything else about shimming a vlsd? How does it change the feel and is it worth it?

[Silverbullet]

RE: Shimming VLSD

i understand the concept of a VLSD, but i have not taken apart a VLSD center so im not exactly too sure what is going on in the instructions. I believe what is going on is your trying to make less space between the shafts so the silicon will be heating up and locking up more often. Am i correct on this? If that is the case, the silicon will be over heating more often would it not?

[nigel1]

when are people going to stop hating on welded diffs. I have one and its the shit. I honestly literally spent 15 dollars on mine. which was 2 quarts of diff oil, and some sealant.

seriously I think NOT welding your diff is stupid. the car becomes extremely predictable, and I still can grip the hell out of corners. Ive been pushing my car to its limits since the day that I put the diff in and not once has it tried to kill me or crash itself.

+123487465692 for the welded diff.

yes its in the car in the signature.

[Uniac]

RE: Shimming VLSD

i understand the concept of a VLSD, but i have not taken apart a VLSD center so im not exactly too sure what is going on in the instructions. I believe what is going on is your trying to make less space between the shafts so the silicon will be heating up and locking up more often. Am i correct on this? If that is the case, the silicon will be over heating more often would it not?

i belive that you're trying to load the shafts up, not the liquidy fluid, i think the shimming acts sort of like a phantom grip, or is sort of the same thing.

as for welded diffs, they're great, the only knock i have against them is the turning raidious. Where once i could pull a u-turn easily on a 2 lane road, i can barely make one on a 4 lane road. But then again the car in question didn't have PS either....it was an intesting ride, handeled great and like it's been said is really pridictable. If i didn't have a VLSD in the Cefiro i would weld the diff solid and put my money into coil overs.

[silviaz]

Another thing that is dangerous, is when you turn slow in parking lots, you might make babies cry with the tire chirps.


hahaha :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[i8yourfwd]

Seriously, If you don't have welded, stop spreading rumors.

Welded is fine in the rain if you don't drive like an asshat. Drive normally, and it'll handle normally. Most of my friends (including myself) would take a welded over an open in the rain due to the predictability of the diff.

Like I said before, the only thing I don't like about welded is the feeling of fighting your car at turn entry when grip driving. The understeer is VERY present. Unless you enter the turn sideways, and exit straight. But I'm nowere near good enough to attempt that in the mountains....

Oh and it eats up your tires fairly fast... no real biggie there...

[usdm180sx]

Since driving in the rain on bald tires is already a good idea? :werd:

If it's your only car and daily driver do you have a choice?

[ThatGuy]

^YES. Don't fuck up your tires if you can't afford to replace them.

[S14zenkiQ's]

^I agree

[blu808]

if you looking hard enough you can get free used tires with good tread. then you can look some more and get a place to mount them for free. problem solved. all it takes is gas to go get er done.

[kassed33]

what you all arnt mentioning is that while welding the diff is alot cheaper than buying a LSD, your going to spend that extra cash in tires, because when you weld the diff it has no play and you create flat spots on your tires unlike a 2way that has enough play in to not create those flat spots. But on the other hand if you want to get into drifting "THE" first thing you want to get is a tire sponsor, cause your going to go through a new set every at every competition

[Andrew Bohan]

what the hell are you talking about?

[Nan Desu Ka?!]

what you are also no taking into account, is that 1) you revived an old thread, and 2) with proper tire/wheel widths and suspention setups, you will not create any flat spots and wont even screech around corners, you will just kinda... rub. Jesse (i8yourfwd) had welded for a LONG time and i noticed NO flat spots on his tires at all. yes he skittered around corners but it was not enough to justify spending another 700$ to get a 2 way that will make you go through tires just as fast.

and for god sakes, not everyone who owns a 240 wants to drift it. I would still take welded over open for daily driving. period.

[Andrew Bohan]

and last year, i didn't pay for any of the 20+ tires i used. just go look for free ones.

[blu808]

Good advice considering tire companies sponsor people to learn how to drift. :ugh:



If you are a true drifter you should'nt care if you get less tire life, because it would only be aparent if you wernt drifting. Which would = internet drifting.
Btw a 2 way is allways locked when you are on accel, or decel to a certain extent. so when you take a corner at speed on the mountain it is usually locked just like a welded, spool, or go kart.


what you all arnt mentioning is that while welding the diff is alot cheaper than buying a LSD, your going to spend that extra cash in tires, because when you weld the diff it has no play and you create flat spots on your tires unlike a 2way that has enough play in to not create those flat spots. But on the other hand if you want to get into drifting "THE" first thing you want to get is a tire sponsor, cause your going to go through a new set every at every competition

[FaLKoN240]

what you all arnt mentioning is that while welding the diff is alot cheaper than buying a LSD, your going to spend that extra cash in tires, because when you weld the diff it has no play and you create flat spots on your tires unlike a 2way that has enough play in to not create those flat spots. But on the other hand if you want to get into drifting "THE" first thing you want to get is a tire sponsor, cause your going to go through a new set every at every competition

You sir, (like most of the people that have incorrect misconceptions about weld diffs) are a MORON.

Why would the tires get FLAT SPOTS on them, if they are ROTATING. The only way tires get flat spots on them are from HARD BRAKING i.e. LOCKING IT UP. Don't shoot shit out of your ass. You've obviously never driven a car with a weld.

The only marks i've noticed from driving weld are the stress marks in the tread from the tires breaking traction.

[krustindumm]

what we should do is get some actual Spools made, I bet we could get the price under 200 bucks if enough people were interested. its just a trip to a CNC guy. Maybe I'll talk to a few people up here and see what kinda prices it would be.

I'd be done for that. I blew up a couple welded diffs (my welders not tough enough) so my spare diff is headed to weld lokd unless I can find a spool.

I like welded better than 2-way. They drive basically the same since 2-ways are locked 90% of the time, but with the welded there's no lag where it's unlocked inbetween decel and accel, like when entering a corner. The unlocked feeling to me is uncomfortable because as soon as it locks again, it starts to slide. I'd rather have it locked all the time.

Most of my experience is in moderate speed grip driving (40-80mph).

[i8yourfwd]

what you all arnt mentioning is that while welding the diff is alot cheaper than buying a LSD, your going to spend that extra cash in tires, because when you weld the diff it has no play and you create flat spots on your tires unlike a 2way that has enough play in to not create those flat spots. But on the other hand if you want to get into drifting "THE" first thing you want to get is a tire sponsor, cause your going to go through a new set every at every competition
You are of the failing for being not the knows much of anythings.

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[SoSideways]

You are of the failing for being not the knows much of anythings.

http://www.blackmage.org/hdevil/fail.png

Damn that Fail At Life card costs too much mana, it's not worth it.

LOL

Wow... the magic geek in me resurfaces! :fawk:

[i8yourfwd]

Damn that Fail At Life card costs too much mana, it's not worth it.

LOL

Wow... the magic geek in me resurfaces! :fawk:
AHHAHAHAHHA!!!!! NICE. Anything more than a 2 color deck sucks anyways.. duhhhhh.. :x

[s13dan]

I dont know where you guys buy your VLSD from but in the junkyard where i live 75$ gets a VLSD and half shafts, and a welded diff isnt that bad, for playing around its great!

[FaLKoN240]

A diff at the yard I'm by costs $200, they don't even know if it's open or VLSD!