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ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 12:13 PM

Hey guys I was just wondering if there would be a market for these parts made in titanium? I know there is a group buy for aluminum driveshafts but would there be a benefit to having them made from titanium? Price would probably be in the area of $450-$500 shipped

I'm also thinking about importing a couple of titanium manifolds & titanium downpipes for the SR/KA/CA/RB would there be an interest? I don't want to import parts that won't sell if you know what I mean. Price is about $350 for manifold & downpipe set.

I just wanted to get some info. and what everybody thought about these products. The products would have a 1 year replacement warranty against defects including cracked welds which covers shipping of the replacement parts. I'm also willing to let someone that's known from these forums test these products like a mod or someone appointed by this sites users.

Mods: I'm planning on doing a group buy as soon as I open up a paypal business account. If this post is against any rules I apologize and please feel free to lock or delete it.

ManoNegra

10-19-2005, 03:47 PM

How much research have you done on this? Seems to me, and I'm no expert, that Titanium is an expensive and difficult metal to work on... aka. much dinero. Am I missing something?

ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 04:07 PM

As far as what research? On the actual product? Let me know what you need to know and I can get the information for you, but I have imported parts with this company before so I do know they are a reliable company. They supply a few other companies here in the United States.

Feel free to post or PM me some questions that you have about the product and I'll ask the manufacturer. They usually get back to me within a couple of hours if not faster due to the time differences.

I'll have some pictures of the manifold & downpipe tomorrow, as far as the driveshafts I'll have to ship a stock driveshaft to them to have a prototype made. I'd just need to know if people would be interested so I don't waste time and money shipping such a heavy item.

oneviaman

10-19-2005, 04:32 PM

if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

A Spec Products

10-19-2005, 04:46 PM

S13FREEAAK

10-19-2005, 04:55 PM

I sent you a pm.

chmercer

10-19-2005, 05:35 PM

the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 05:58 PM

good luck

titanium is dope as hell but convincing a 240 owner (who is usually on a budget to put it mildly) to pay for it is the hardest part.

we already have our lineup of titanium manifolds and full catback in R&D (for Evo 8). our titanium cat delete pipes are already on the market (for Evo 8) as well.

as for 240sx applications, i'm not sure whether or not the market supports it.

It's good to hear from an insider regarding this, I really appreciate your time. I also agree with you as far as pricing goes which is why I negotiated pricing of these parts to the lowest price possible.

if you can get me a titanium manifold and downpipe for my ka for only 350 you got a customer. a 12ft length of 2 inch titanium pipe is like 500 dollars. and thats just one pipe. make intercoller pipes for a ka24de(t) and those should sell nice if they are priced nicely

I'm already importing an RB manifold & downpipe to test out on my own car & an SR manifold/downpipe for another 240sx owner at the end of this month. I don't think anyone makes bov flanges out of titanium so unless they do then I don't think it's worth looking into.

ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 06:00 PM

the hell is the point of a titanium driveshaft. that makes no sense.

LOL I have no clue I just wanted to get feedback to see if there was a market for it.

Jeff240sx

10-19-2005, 06:02 PM

ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 06:11 PM

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

I'm working on the pictures........I should have them by tomorrow. I'll also have an actual unit by the first week of November so I can see/test it out for myself. I still want another person who can supply an in-dept review of the manifold at no cost to the tester of course depending on their credentials.

This is all pending if people would think this is a good idea or not.

A Spec Products

10-19-2005, 06:14 PM

Titanium doesn't weld like stainless or aluminum. So, mix-and-matching flanges onto aluminum or steel piping is stupid.
Get pics of said pieces. Because the material is expensive, and the welding takes specialized knowledge and materials. And more time than most other metals. So.. without pics, I'll dub them "Phantom Manifold Ti".
-Jeff

awww sad :(

we have our full ti mufflers that comes with a stainless flange that bolts to the titanium flange side. i thought that was cool, helps the budget ballers out.

ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 06:24 PM

awww sad :(

we have our full ti mufflers that comes with a stainless flange that bolts to the titanium flange side. i thought that was cool, helps the budget ballers out.

I think Jeff was reffering to welding the two metals together. Bolting a flange made of different material is perfectly fine. I was kind of confused but I may still be confused, shine some light on this comment for us Jeff.

BaliLover

10-19-2005, 10:03 PM

I'm working on the pictures........I should have them by tomorrow. I'll also have an actual unit by the first week of November so I can see/test it out for myself. I still want another person who can supply an in-dept review of the manifold at no cost to the tester of course depending on their credentials.

This is all pending if people would think this is a good idea or not.

Is it a good idea? Possibly if they are manufactured correctly, but the $350 pricetag for manifold and downpipe is scary to me since thats SS autochrome's prices too. Ti is lighter than steel and stronger than Aluminum so its probably a good choice for a manifold which is typically heavy. I don't know what Ti's thermal capabilities are before it gets brittle. With so many cheaper manifold cracking and falling apart, brittleness is a concern of mine.

That being said, I'd be willing to test one out for you and give an in depth review of fitment, performance, quality, longevity, etc. Send me a PM and I'll provide some credentials to you.

ka24deturbo

10-19-2005, 11:14 PM

As far as finding someone to get these tested; this is my idea so I'm not just sending parts to any nobody here willing to test parts and get them for free so I'm thinking the tester pays $150 for the unit and after that person tests it and writes a review I'll reimburse them that amount, that way you have to write the review in order to get your money back for working.

Even if the review is a bad review you'll still get your money back I just want to make sure it's someone that knows how to write a review of parts and trusted within this community. Any other suggestions guys? I have an open mind when it comes down to things like this so just let me know what your thinking.

95KA-Turbo

10-19-2005, 11:46 PM

ka24deturbo

10-20-2005, 12:12 AM

I'd be interested in a KA set (as long as you mean turbo). I'd be more than happy to test out one of those...but I'd like to see some of your credentials as well, I don't want to send out 150 bucks and get ripped myself. If you have some photos of the products that would help a lot.

Also, perhaps a company name so we could cross check your info or something along those lines. Hell, I'll test out a drive shaft too, haha :2f2f: .

Thanks
Stephen

That's why theres paypal right :duh: LOL I'm not a company either just someone trying to make a buck to buy parts for my projects not to make a living out of it (but you never know what the future holds right). You know like those guys back in Japan buying up all of those thrown away used parts from the junkyards and selling them to us because they know those parts are like gold to us.

I don't think I'll need more than two good sources to write up a review so stealing $300 isn't worth it right?

I'll have pictures up by tomorrow and as far as the driveshaft goes I'd need to see more interest before I go through the expensive process of shipping a stock unit to them. They say it can be done it's just a matter of sending the heavy ass unit to them.

Flybert

10-20-2005, 12:24 AM

ka24deturbo

10-20-2005, 12:31 AM

If you need someone to test a titanium stock location SR manifold, I am your man. I would say there are a lot of people on here that trust my opinion on performance products because I trash the shit out of my car at the track every month. This stuff needs to be track proven to be worth a damn and I can do that testing. Email me by clicking my SN if you are interested in sending a mani on my way.

I can also test the titanium driveshaft if you go through with it. I have a hypermax single that will beat the shit out of it and really test it's strength.

Flybert I've seen your posts before and your right these should be tested on a track and since your in L.A. my 2nd home your on board for testing 100% if your willing to cover my terms. The driveshaft is getting more response so it's possible I might go through with it.

the head

10-20-2005, 08:38 AM

are there going to be any top mount manifolds built for SR applications?

projectRDM

10-20-2005, 09:04 AM

That's why theres paypal right :duh: LOL I'm not a company either just someone trying to make a buck to buy parts for my projects not to make a living out of it (but you never know what the future holds right).

If you're trusting paypal to keep you safe you're already fucked.

ka24deturbo

10-20-2005, 09:29 AM

If you're trusting paypal to keep you safe you're already fucked.

You know I do agree with you bro that's why I don't use paypal anymore, let me tell you my story......The short version.

I sent this guy some money for some parts via paypal, I received a box by UPS with basically parts to get some weight on the shipping scales. When I contacted Paypal to get my money back they told me that since it was not an Ebay transaction I couldn't do anything and they couldn't give me a refund. How f'ed is that?

But since I know a lot of people praise Paypal here and countless other forums I'm willing to use them again. The fact is if I was to start scamming people I'd rather start the group buy and steal from countless others than just $300 from two people to test the product. I mean how many times do you see someone go on a forum and ask you to test a product for free and keep the item in the end? I will pay these people back if the product has good reviews or not. I'm taking a chance on bringing more products for our market and possibly lose money and I'm not even a business owner.

are there going to be any top mount manifolds built for SR applications?

Yup top mounts for most applications, I have pictures that I'll be posting in just a few minutes.

Yoshi

10-20-2005, 09:57 AM

would teh SR mani be fore stock turbo location?
What's the ballpark $ on that?
It'd be nice to know there's an option that's not known to crack.
Seems that most sub $1000 manifolds are VERY hit-or miss quality.

scottie

10-20-2005, 10:22 AM

Well, I wouldnt say that 240 guys are that cheap. There are plenty of people i know who have or are ordering the FULL RACE mani ($1200). If your TI mani is that price or a little less i might be interested. If its $400 there is no way its good material. Im an engineer and i know what cost is on TI. After great welds, fit and finish, there is no way you could build a decent one for less than $800.

-scott

S14DB

10-20-2005, 10:39 AM

I still can't believe you can sell Ti for that cheap. I'm interested in the KA mani and DP just for the price alone. More info!

ka24deturbo

10-20-2005, 11:34 AM

Hey guys I made a boo boo, now just so you know this product was pitched to me as being full titanium. I was surprised myself when they gave me the price compared to the stainless manifolds. As a matter of fact it's titanium plate now maybe scottie can tell us if this is still worth looking into because I still want to get my RB manifold.

However, they can make full ti manifolds and I'm going to negotiate pricing with them and minimum qty. because they want me to purchase 100pcs. and I'm not sure there are enough people that would buy these. I'm sure price will be a factor in the decision so I'll do my best. I'll still post pics of the ti plated manifolds just so you guys can see the quality of the welds and pipes.

I'm not going to offer the testing program anymore because now we know it's not full titanium. Pending price I would still like someone to test out the full titanium manifold but I'd like to change the terms a little bit.

A little info. about titanium that I pulled off of another website:

Titanium has a melting point of 1660 +/- 10°C, boiling point of 3287°C, Pure titanium is a lustrous white metal with low density, high strength, and high corrosion resistance. It is resistant to dilute sulfuric and hydrochloric acids, moist chlorine gas, most organic acids, and chloride solutions. Titanium is as strong as steel, but it is 45% lighter. The metal is 60% heavier than aluminum, but it is twice as strong.

Titanium is important for alloying with aluminum, molybdenum, iron, manganese, and other metals. Titanium alloys are used in situations where lightweight strength and ability to withstand temperature extremes are required (e.g., aerospace applications).

This is a stock mount SR manifold
http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/9468/dsc014825tz.th.jpg (http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014825tz.jpg)

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/1677/dsc014833te.th.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014833te.jpg)

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/276/dsc014848dt.th.jpg (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014848dt.jpg)

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7818/dsc014857iu.th.jpg (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014857iu.jpg)

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/849/dsc014867lr.th.jpg (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014867lr.jpg)

This is the top mount RB manifold
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7905/dsc014899bu.th.jpg (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014899bu.jpg)

3" Turbo dump
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/5584/dsc014872pz.th.jpg (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc014872pz.jpg)

S14DB

10-20-2005, 11:44 AM

So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum?

What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set?

ka24deturbo

10-20-2005, 11:58 AM

So this is like a Ceramic coating using Titanium instead of Aluminum?

What would be the total cost of the KA Mani+DP set?

Exactly what it is. Price would be $300 shipped for the set, but I'm not selling these until I start the group buy per Zilvia.net rules. I still want to get us some titanium manifolds since this was the main objective of this entire post. Let me get the prices on these you never know it still can be affordable.

Jeff240sx

10-20-2005, 12:19 PM

That RB manifold looks poorly designed. The long wg runner, with a 90* bend in it, is boost-creep city. I'd still like to see a KA manifold. The SR design looks pretty solidly SSA-style routing. Not saying that's bad at all, because DC Sports and some other company took that routing, too.
-Jeff

SR240DET

10-20-2005, 04:41 PM

how does TI coating benefit the manifold it self? will it last longer than stainless...? i dont know how to ask this kind of questions... but could you list a simple small list of pros and cons of TI coating over say.... a stainless steel manifold or ceramic coating manifold?

SimpleS14

10-20-2005, 05:08 PM

Something is up if the manifold is so cheap.

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 08:44 AM

Oh great... titanium coated SSAutocracks. Just look at that manifold. It was SSA written all over it. Go find a picture of an SSA and put this one side by side. Runners are exactly the same. Has the exact same support brackets. Exact same flange. Made by Ming (sp?) Header out of Taiwan. This titanium coating is BS in my opinion and it's way too cheap if true.

And if titanium coating was such a good idea then why hasn't it been used for years in racing applications? People have been using aluminum-ceramic coatings for ages on exhaust parts for a reason.

As far as I know titanium is not that lustrous either as seen in those pictures.

Victor

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 09:06 AM

I also find it entertaining that the thread author does not even know the benefits of titanium yet is debating whether to do a group buy on a titanium driveshaft.

And if he had done any market research, there is very little market if any. Most 240SX owners as I've seen on all these boards work on a budget, a low to medium budget. Very few have high budgets and those would be the ones to attract to buy an aluminum driveshaft.

A GReddy full titanium exhaust is about $1049.00 MSRP and can be had at some dealers for around $800.00 shipped. We are talking a thin-walled 80mm titanium tubing. There is no way a solid titanium driveshaft could cost anywhere near $450.00-$500.00 shipped. You are talking huge bucks for such piece and likely more than what a person with a high budget would even spend. A carbon driveshaft from ACPT is already around $1000.00 and very few people even run those units.

Victor

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 09:22 AM

But I am running one of these aluminum-ceramic coated so I could be a bit biased and be totally bullshitting.

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2632/img53024km.th.jpg (http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img53024km.jpg)

ka24deturbo

10-21-2005, 09:32 AM

Your right Victor, I should have done more research on the product but that's why I wanted to get people's opinions about the idea of doing it, I'm not trying to make a ton of money on this I'm just trying to get my parts too and since the price was in my range I'm sure others can afford it as well. I'm not trying to hold anything back so I'm not going to say I'm a professional at doing research about the product because then I'd own a company or atleast making big bucks selling stuff like this right, give me a break I just thought it would be a great idea since most of us including myself are budget racers.

The parts may be similar to SSAUTO but and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think every single SSAUTO manifolds cracked or had issues? I actually have an SSAUTO manifold that cracked on me but look you get what you pay for right? Plus the company has that replacement guarantee, which makes me feel much better but then again I'm the only person here that can trust them.

ka24deturbo

10-21-2005, 09:40 AM

You do have a good point though.

And if titanium coating was such a good idea then why hasn't it been used for years in racing applications? People have been using aluminum-ceramic coatings for ages on exhaust parts for a reason.

Victor

But I don't know maybe it's just cheaper to use aluminum-ceramic coatings?

Here is what's in the latest e-mail I got from the manufacturer:

"Just check the material market,the price of titanium is very expensive,and now,there have not this material."

So I guess we're gonna have to hold off to find out the price he's gonna charge for the product.

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 10:51 AM

Also, even if the manifold or downpipe was full-titanium. It wouldn't be a good idea as titanium cannot face the stresses (heat) of a turbocharged car. I could see such product failing. If it was a good idea it would already be out there.

Titanium is a good material just not in these applications.

If you really want to venture and make something. Do a titanium intake manifold. Not sure people would buy it but at least it would be something that would work and is not already out there.

or Titanium heim-jointed suspension pieces reducing unsprung weight, but then again don't know who would buy such expensive pieces.

If you want to be some less expensive parts how about a turbine heat shield? master brake cylinder heat shield? turbo manifold heat shield? air filter heat shield? titanium cooling/radiator panel? brake ducts? spark plug covers (for SR)?

Victor

ka24deturbo

10-21-2005, 01:22 PM

Also, even if the manifold or downpipe was full-titanium. It wouldn't be a good idea as titanium cannot face the stresses (heat) of a turbocharged car. I could see such product failing. If it was a good idea it would already be out there.

Titanium is a good material just not in these applications.

If you want to be some less expensive parts how about a turbine heat shield? master brake cylinder heat shield? turbo manifold heat shield? air filter heat shield? titanium cooling/radiator panel? brake ducts? spark plug covers (for SR)?

Victor

Victor,

Those are great ideas for products but it's the cost of the material that's stopping companies from making them and I'm only guessing but wouldn't those ideas already be made if they are such great ideas? They might even just see it as not very useful or products not profitable enough for them.

If titanium wasn't such a great idea for manifolds why does HKS & others like them make them? It's not that they aren't made, it's just too expensive to make and when they are made how much of a market do those high dollar products have? Which is why I'm trying to find alternatives for us on budgets.

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 03:09 PM

Show me a HKS titanium manifold.

I know Mine's has one for the Z33, but for N/A application, which is fine.

ka24deturbo

10-21-2005, 05:16 PM

Show me a HKS titanium manifold.

I know Mine's has one for the Z33, but for N/A application, which is fine.

Well it isn't made for Nissan's but in the 2005 Special Edition Modified Mag Alpha Factor's Terry Chen has a Honda S2000 w/ an HKS titanium manifold pushing out 613whp @ 25psi, Apsec is also releasing their titanium manifolds for the EVO8.

I also pulled this from another website:

"Titanium is as strong as steel, but it is 45% lighter."

Now if it's as strong as steel then why wouldn't it hold up to the heat of a turbocharged engine?

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 05:17 PM

strength and heat tolerance are 2 different factors.

A Spec Products

10-21-2005, 07:33 PM

awww, titanium COATED?

are any of you guys SERIOUSLY considering a full titanium manifold?

our Evo 8 manifold (as you can see) is a TRUE 100% titanium manifold, and we can make an SR manifold no problem.

the reason we don't already have it is because we felt the American SR market would not support a titanium manifold, but perhaps you guys disagree.

what's a price point for a FULL manifold for your SR you guys would SERIOUSLY consider. this won't be no ss autocrizzack quality, it will be the real deal, just like the one on our Evo 8.

Mike Wazowski

10-21-2005, 07:58 PM

ka24deturbo

10-21-2005, 10:38 PM

2005 Special Edition Modified Mag Alpha Factor's Terry Chen has a Honda S2000 w/ an HKS titanium manifold pushing out 613whp @ 25psi, Apsec is also releasing their titanium manifolds for the EVO8.

Hey guys my mistake, after sitting on the shitter reading the artical the manifold isn't titanium it's his exhaust.

More power to you ASpec! Even if I don't import these due to the cost, I'm sure you guys can get much better pricing. Even better it would be backed by a known American company.

A Spec Products

10-22-2005, 12:26 PM

How much is your EVO manifold?

What gauge titanium do you use?

Do you have a picture of the cross section?

I paid about $1200.00 for my Full-Race with some accessories. I'm not sure I would pay much more than that.

Victor

ka24deturbo: haha, yes, the best reading is done when poppin a squat

Evo manifold price structure is still TBA, but I'm assuming it will be well under $1200, but that's not up to me :(

My higher ups won't let me release pics of the manifold itself yet, but once it drops it will be up on the EvoM forums.

As for gauge of titanium, I am not certain, but all this info will be released once the manifold goes for sale.

Yes, if we made a SR manifold, it would be way under $1200. For me personally I would like to see a manifold in the $900 range, would that fly for you SR guys?

Brian W.

10-22-2005, 12:36 PM

If your going to make a turbo manifold make it out of Inconel... NOT Titanium.

"Titanium coated junk" is not the answer. Its the same parts with shitty thin wall 304 stainless using shitty cast steel/ chrome plated flanges.

ka24deturbo

10-22-2005, 10:46 PM

ka24deturbo: haha, yes, the best reading is done when poppin a squat

As for gauge of titanium, I am not certain, but all this info will be released once the manifold goes for sale.

Yes, if we made a SR manifold, it would be way under $1200. For me personally I would like to see a manifold in the $900 range, would that fly for you SR guys?

Yup! bowl movements ROCK! LOL! Where do you think I came up with the idea of this post....... :tweak:

That price would be nice bro but can I get one for an RB? I'll pm you about something else too!

I agree with you Brian W. plated manifolds are not the answer.

Mike Wazowski

10-22-2005, 11:12 PM

Evo manifold price structure is still TBA, but I'm assuming it will be well under $1200, but that's not up to me :(

My higher ups won't let me release pics of the manifold itself yet, but once it drops it will be up on the EvoM forums.

As for gauge of titanium, I am not certain, but all this info will be released once the manifold goes for sale.

Yes, if we made a SR manifold, it would be way under $1200. For me personally I would like to see a manifold in the $900 range, would that fly for you SR guys?Your reply provided zero information and you are not even certain what gauge your own manifold is. I don't see why you can't release info to potential customers.

That would fly for me depending on the tube design, flange, and wastegated option, but you would have to post a video showing the manifold under hard heat stress before I trust it and showing the temperature from an EGT probe.

Mike Wazowski

10-22-2005, 11:20 PM

If your going to make a turbo manifold make it out of Inconel... NOT Titanium.
The manifold I posted above is made of inconel and I love it! F***-R***, First-Place manifold.

Var

10-22-2005, 11:57 PM

The cost of titanium went up like 4x just recently from what i've heard. I didnt bother to actually verify it though. Plus there are different grades of Ti, grade 3 being useless(stong as aluminum in relation to mass). If you get grade 5 then you are talking big money. If a Ti manifold would cost less than a Full-Race steel manifold, i'm sure there would be a market for it. And a titanium driveshaft? WTF for? Aluminum does just fine for most power level(i think safe to say all power levels except crazy drag cars) and as said above it's lighter than Ti.

here are 2 links about Ti. The second one is from another forum

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397727

scottie

10-23-2005, 09:34 AM

ASpec-

Will you post up when you release the Evo8 mani? I would be interested in the manifold for under $1000, but I may want to wait til the Evo8 guys prove its reliability. Since Ti is not easy to weld, if it ever cracked, would you repair it at no cost? If so, this may be a really good deal. As for now I am still leaning toward First Place manifolds. I will say the pic you have in your sig of the Evo has a badass mani.

-scott

ka24deturbo

10-23-2005, 10:39 AM

wootwoot

10-23-2005, 01:06 PM

The price did go up a ridiculous amount recently; fucking aerospace industry. All of my bike parts just jumped up in price substantially and some companies stopped using it completly because of the price hike. I would honestly not trust a titanium manifold cheaper than 1800 dollars for bottom mount. Titanium is one of the hardest welds to accomplish without impurities sacrificing its integrity.

A Spec Products

10-24-2005, 01:49 AM

Your reply provided zero information and you are not even certain what gauge your own manifold is. I don't see why you can't release info to potential customers.

That would fly for me depending on the tube design, flange, and wastegated option, but you would have to post a video showing the manifold under hard heat stress before I trust it and showing the temperature from an EGT probe.

Oh ho ho batman, looks like someone's calling me out!

The reason I provided zero information is because I am not informed enough to make a suitable reply.

I am not the engineer, but I will relay that information to my R&D so they could provide results like that before releasing to the public.

Will you post up when you release the Evo8 mani? I would be interested in the manifold for under $1000, but I may want to wait til the Evo8 guys prove its reliability. Since Ti is not easy to weld, if it ever cracked, would you repair it at no cost? If so, this may be a really good deal. As for now I am still leaning toward First Place manifolds. I will say the pic you have in your sig of the Evo has a badass mani.

Yes, I will do that.

We've had the Evo 8 manifold in development for over a year and its gone through many revisions in order to avoid situations with cracking, etc. I highly doubt if we came out with an SR manifold it would release any time soon. It would be premature and not effectively tested enough to sell with our name stamped on it.

Mike Wazowski

10-24-2005, 02:00 AM

Oh ho ho batman, looks like someone's calling me out!

The reason I provided zero information is because I am not informed enough to make a suitable reply.Umnnn yeah... you are promoting a product you are uninformed about. That's plain retarded. And good luck getting such manifold into that pricerange. I'll applaud anyone who can make one and showing it surviving under some dyno sessions.

Do you have any other pics of your Evo manifold? Like a picture of it bare, not on the car.

A Spec Products

10-24-2005, 02:46 AM

Mike Wazowski

10-24-2005, 12:42 PM

Great, now you're calling me retarted.

I am not the engineer, nor am I the guy who handles the Evo related product at the company. I didn't design the manifold, or do any of the R&D.

Why the hate man? I never promised any results or amazing feats from the manifold yet, just merely said it was coming out and its 100% titanium.

Just leave it up to my marketing department and cool it. I can understand your skepticism but no need to bring out the magnifying glass when its not even time yet.

I'll be sure to mention the release in off topic when it drops.No, I am calling your faillure to provide information retarded. If I wanted to call you retarded I would have just picked up the phone. I do not resort to name calling over the internet cause it is just plain retarded.

It does not matter if you are not the engineer or are not the Evo parts specialist. You work at A Spec Products, the company that will be selling this manifold. It is not to hard to make a call over to your R&D department. It is not hard to tap your engineer on the shoulder and ask. It is not hard to talk to your Evo parts specialist.

I am not trying to hate but merely extract information from a stubborn source.

For now I will just have to raise the B.S. flag.

:bs:

If you can not provide any more information than just a picture, then this is a hoax cause you have none cause it does not exist.

It can only be to your advantage to provide further information by attracting potential customers.

Victor :rawk:

A Spec Products

10-24-2005, 01:26 PM

Sigh.

So now you're calling BS about a manifold we make? Like that's stolen pictures or something?

What else, you want RAW pics, maybe I photoshopped a manifold out of thin air?

http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/specials/ti-manifold-picture.jpg

I just asked my higher ups / engineers yet again, and they won't release the details (call me stubborn all you want) until we release it for sale. We've spent a lot to develop and test it, and we don't want any copycats ruining that hard work and investment.

Look at how well I photoshopped our logo onto this car, it almost looks as if that's our RACE CAR:

http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/specials/evo8meetpics01.jpg

We're done here.

wootwoot

10-24-2005, 02:00 PM

Those are ti welds that I have never seen before...

Mike Wazowski

10-24-2005, 02:15 PM

I know it isn't BS. I know it's real and that you can't give out more information at the time. I just posted that it was BS to spite you in attempt to get you to post more information or pictures. I only created the tension in effort to make you release anything else you could. It was all psychology. I failed to get any information but I got the pictures which is enough for me. Good luck on the sale once the manifold is released; I'll be excited when you start on the SR20 manifold. You guys should make a Z33 titanium header. Those Z guys have more money and are more willing to spend it.

See ya on MY350Z.

Victor :wiggle:
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A Spec Products

10-24-2005, 03:08 PM

Sigh.

Good job.

Logan

BigVinnie

10-24-2005, 05:26 PM

Weapon R tried to sell a crap load of Titanium products for Honda's, and Mitsubishi's, there marketing failed horribly. Ended up seeing alot of there stuff getting sold eventually on Craigs list at half the price they were asking.
If I were you don't let history repeat itself........
Besides sell me a product with a cheap steal to weld, and glaze it with a good ceramic coating........

ka24deturbo

10-24-2005, 09:29 PM

Sigh.

So now you're calling BS about a manifold we make? Like that's stolen pictures or something?

What else, you want RAW pics, maybe I photoshopped a manifold out of thin air?

I just asked my higher ups / engineers yet again, and they won't release the details (call me stubborn all you want) until we release it for sale. We've spent a lot to develop and test it, and we don't want any copycats ruining that hard work and investment.

Look at how well I photoshopped our logo onto this car, it almost looks as if that's our RACE CAR:

We're done here.

I'm saving those pictures and I'm gonna jackoff :wackit: to them every time. I understanf the hush hush about the information because of all of the long hard work and testing that other companies in Taiwan, China, Etc. will benefit from coping the ASpec manifold so once the manifold is released it won't be long before China starts putting their version out.

I know it isn't BS. I know it's real and that you can't give out more information at the time. I just posted that it was BS to spite you in attempt to get you to post more information or pictures. I only created the tension in effort to make you release anything else you could. It was all psychology. I failed to get any information but I got the pictures which is enough for me. Good luck on the sale once the manifold is released; I'll be excited when you start on the SR20 manifold. You guys should make a Z33 titanium header. Those Z guys have more money and are more willing to spend it.

See ya on MY350Z.

Victor :wiggle:
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LOL good job Victor :mrmeph: LOL J/P :bowrofl: