Hello again from C-West USA!

[C-West USA]

Hello again from C-West USA!

Our last thread was shut down for various reasons, but we have managed to clear up all of the issues and can now post away. Thanks Bob!

This thread is for you guys to ask questions, throw out ideas for new aero-parts, whatever.

I will be checking these forums every once in a while, but if you have the need to have a question answered quickly, feel free to send an email to [email protected]

Cheers!

[AAA240SX]

I have the full kit for my 93 240sx. I do not have a spoiler or a hood yet. I have been considering the Seibon DV style hood simply because it looks like the CWest hood.

I would love to see the triple vented hood for my car produced in carbon fibre. From what I understand (according to the CWest site), it is only produced in frp. The same goes for the spoilers...let me know if these can be produced in cf and you've got yourself some business!

Thanks for the high quality product, i'm grateful for deciding to go with your aero kit!

[scir16v]

How about a s13 rear diffuser?

[BobbyBoy]

More underbody aero components to bolt onto aftermarket bumpers etc.

[MakotoS13]

YES a rear diffusor would be freakin awesome as well as a functional front spoiler. i realize they'd cost a pretty penny but our cars need that sort of gear for high speed stability due to how dang light they are.

[SilviaDriver]

lower prices

[A Spec Products]

C WEST is awesome, great guys that work there

DRFT stuff is so flexy flexy, and the new C West T Shirt in Camo Print is so hard.

im biased though, don't listen to me :)

and lower prices aint the answer, that's just gonna drive out REAL japanese companies and leave bodykits to the mercy of the the crappy knockoffers. but lets keep this thread clean, and appreciate C West's willingness to help the end users.

[trsilvias13]

i want a rear lip that matches the oem 97-98 kouki side skirt but fits on the 95-98 usdm rear bumper.
make that , no one else make any sort of lip for the rear, only valences

[OptionZero]

Sure they do.
German Z-edition rear valence, urethane to boot.
I am fairly certain it will fit the USDM S14 rear bumper.

More expensive than C-West =P

but yes, something cheaper would be kinda neat, but I highly doubt C-west makes stuff to match stock aero, it kinda goes against the point...though they do have that lip for the JDM kouki front bumper, it's designed to work with C-west sides/rear.

[*NismoS13*]

I'd definitely be interested in seeing the triple vented hood in carbon fiber, as well as a rear diffuser for the S13...

-Adam

[samms95s14se]

i want a rear lip that matches the oem 97-98 kouki side skirt but fits on the 95-98 usdm rear bumper.
make that , no one else make any sort of lip for the rear, only valences

Yea!! Thats what I would like also.

[kay_arsen]

How about a s13 rear diffuser?

how bout a s14 rear diffuser

[trsilvias13]

Sure they do.
German Z-edition rear valence, urethane to boot.
I am fairly certain it will fit the USDM S14 rear bumper.

More expensive than C-West =P

but yes, something cheaper would be kinda neat, but I highly doubt C-west makes stuff to match stock aero, it kinda goes against the point...though they do have that lip for the JDM kouki front bumper, it's designed to work with C-west sides/rear.

can u show me a pic of the german z edition? arent those rare? and those are still valence, but not the whole rear lip across the bumper. i already have some jdm rear valance. it sort of flows with the kouki side, but not close , that is why i suggested it.

and an aftermarket grill for the 97/98 240sx. i seen some but not too many come across for sale.

[OptionZero]

search for "kouki goodness", thread by me
It is a complete lip that goes all the way around, i have on euro bumper but it should fit on USDM bumper, i think it was pretty close.

JDM rear flows with kouki side, but, yeah, i dont really like it.

C-West already makes two after market grill, plus there's the USDM one, the JDM one, and the optional Autech one (www.silviaparts.com should have knockoff of it)

[kandyflip445]

Could you even effectively make a diffuser with all the exhaust designs and the hangers being in the way?

[mmdb]

^ like someone stated perviously, competitve pricing and availibilty of some parts soley in Japan (i.e. jdm kouki front spoiler).

[tastyratz]

underbody diffuser gets my vote too. everyone called me a fool for suggesting it now everyone comes out of the cracks and requests it here.

[someguy_240]

underbody diffuser!!!

[trsilvias13]

option zero - that a nice lip. i doubt it wil sit nicely against a regular bumper. you have that middle piece there which cause a dip in the rear lip. plus i dont think i would able to find one too. that why i made a suggestion to make a lip similar to your but for the 95-98 bumper

[C-West USA]

Thanks for all of your input guys. Im terms of your request for rear diffusers, it would be plausible to make something like that, but the cost would be pretty high. For those people that are not building dedicated race cars, would you really be willing to pay the high cost for a product like this?

For example, the diffuser that we make for the S2000 retails at around $6,000. Granted, this is made out of dry carbon, but would you guys be willing to pay even half of that? Keep in mind that we would not simply fab up a piece like this and market it for sale. All of our products are wind tunnel tested to find the maximum performance benefit.

[C-West USA]

I have the full kit for my 93 240sx. I do not have a spoiler or a hood yet. I have been considering the Seibon DV style hood simply because it looks like the CWest hood.

I would love to see the triple vented hood for my car produced in carbon fibre. From what I understand (according to the CWest site), it is only produced in frp. The same goes for the spoilers...let me know if these can be produced in cf and you've got yourself some business!

Thanks for the high quality product, i'm grateful for deciding to go with your aero kit!
Producing the hood in CF may be a possibility, but once again the cost issue comes into play. Retail on most of our CFRP hoods is around $900. The PCC ones can go up to $2,000.

Would this type of cost be plausible for the 240sx community, especially when there are so many cheap knock offs around? Granted, our carbon parts are definitely lighter adn better fitting than those companies' products, but would this community be willing to pay that kind of cost?

[C-West USA]

^ like someone stated perviously, competitve pricing and availibilty of some parts soley in Japan (i.e. jdm kouki front spoiler).
In terms of priing, we have lowered our prices from our old master distributor's pricing.

We are currently wondering whether or not it would be a good idea to begin importing the S14 kouki front half spoiler. Although I see a decent amount of JDM kouki front bumpers, we are not sure how many we would be able to sell, so more feedback on this product would be greatly appreciated. This, however, is very plausible and we may be bringing some in on the next container.

[A Spec Products]

Thanks for all of your input guys. Im terms of your request for rear diffusers, it would be plausible to make something like that, but the cost would be pretty high. For those people that are not building dedicated race cars, would you really be willing to pay the high cost for a product like this?

For example, the diffuser that we make for the S2000 retails at around $6,000. Granted, this is made out of dry carbon, but would you guys be willing to pay even half of that? Keep in mind that we would not simply fab up a piece like this and market it for sale. All of our products are wind tunnel tested to find the maximum performance benefit.

that was a rhetorical question.

[OptionZero]

Do you actually have a better picture of the half-bumper for the JDM kouki bumper?

All I ever see is the red one which i assume is the photo u used for all advertising in various stores..and usually its shrunken down pretty badly.

A set of larger pix with different angles would be appreciated if possible!

[tastyratz]

jdm kouki s14 front bumper is hot, usdm front IMHO is not. jdm fb+jdm lip = wow. Unfortuanately you are going to find that alot of the 240 community is poor and cheap, its a great platform for a cheap performer... However you may find since its grown so much theres always that higher end market as well. I dont think people would be willing to pay that much for developing a CF underbody diffuser in general, what about an alternative in FRP / abs plastic/ etc? Something that can withstand an impact would always be a plus under the car...

[chmercer]

Would this type of cost be plausible for the 240sx community, especially when there are so many cheap knock offs around? Granted, our carbon parts are definitely lighter adn better fitting than those companies' products, but would this community be willing to pay that kind of cost?

nope :) nearly everyone i have seen is too cheap to buy real parts / smashes stuff up too much to justify it. in terms of fitment, honestly, knockoffs are getting quite good as well.

do you guys ever have any parts that come out flawed that get thrown away usually? if so, is there any way to get ahold of somthing like this?

[OptionZero]

Hahaha find C-west factory and hang out by the dumpsters!

[mmdb]

I'd like to see diffusers made for this car as I plan to build it up for racing. I'd also like to pick up that front lip spoiler once it comes in. Keep me in mind and let me know what exact date and where to purchase it. Thanks for answering the questions.

[SochBAT]

GB on the DRFT kit. Canards, chuuki lips, driver and pass. mirrors, and rear overfenders?

[AAA240SX]

IMO you get what you pay for. People who value high quality will pay up. Knock-offs will always be around no matter what (for those with lower incomes). I know many people who buy authentic aero kits. If they're ok with spending that much on the body panels, why wouldn't the hoods - diffusers - spoilers or whatever sell the same way?

Carbon doors and hatches are often too much for a person's wallet. But, they're commonplace for real project cars aren't they?

I guess the point I'm trying to make is if you market it, it will find buyers.

[kandyflip445]

I think I'd buy the underbody stuff. If they could create something that would reduce lift for the underbody I'd pay out the butt for it. Might take me awhile though. :rofl:

[A Spec Products]

make some aero for the RX8 already!

chmercer: c west (or any other japanese company for that matter) would never give away or resell blemished or damaged product. i know of many companies that will destroy product just because they will not sell it with small blemishes etc. for example, if a hood has a blemish upon inspection, they will destroy it, rather than sell a product not 100%. while that may not seem cost effective, i admire that japanese attention to quality control.

hurry up with my s14 jdm kouki lips, enough with backorder!

[kandyflip445]

And what are the locations of these dumpsters you speak of. :rofl:

[A Spec Products]

trust me, its usually beat beyond recognition, or at least to the point where its not worth it to dumpster dive.

it aint in kansas anymore toto! (sorry, had to do it)

[kandyflip445]

The dog is dead and so is that joke. :rofl:

[C-West USA]

We have recently re-released the S14 Kouki JDM front half spoiler, and all of the information is up on our website.
http://www.c-west.co.jp/aero/s14/img/fs2.jpg

A few of this particular item will be here mid November.

[A Spec Products]

We have recently re-released the S14 Kouki JDM front half spoiler, and all of the information is up on our website.
http://www.c-west.co.jp/aero/s14/img/fs2.jpg

finally! its coming in next month guys

stay tuned for a special from me on these, or hit me up to preorder

[OptionZero]

Hey a-spec, if u get a chance to, can you get us better pix of this thing? i assume it's fiberglass as well, boo...

[A Spec Products]

Hey a-spec, if u get a chance to, can you get us better pix of this thing? i assume it's fiberglass as well, boo...

yeah, will do

its PFRP, little more flexy flexy than standard FG

:edit: sorry its PFRP my mistake

[Zen S14]

can u show me a pic of the german z edition? arent those rare? and those are still valence, but not the whole rear lip across the bumper. i already have some jdm rear valance. it sort of flows with the kouki side, but not close , that is why i suggested it.


Here you go:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/Zhenhjin/240sxZedition02.jpg

[C-West USA]

This product is actually made out of PFRP.
For details on all of the product we use please visit this website:
http://www.c-westusa.com/aero/material.asp

[Jcb890]

nope :) nearly everyone i have seen is too cheap to buy real parts / smashes stuff up too much to justify it. in terms of fitment, honestly, knockoffs are getting quite good as well.

do you guys ever have any parts that come out flawed that get thrown away usually? if so, is there any way to get ahold of somthing like this?

you've got to be kidding...

honestly, there won't be a HUGE aftermarket in the 240sx crowd for $6,000 rear diffusers. that is just way too much money for a lot of 240 owners.

[Supreme]

If only the N1 S15 front was available (or similiar) for the S14...

[mmdb]

+1 for better pictures before i preorder

[chmercer]

you've got to be kidding...

honestly, there won't be a HUGE aftermarket in the 240sx crowd for $6,000 rear diffusers. that is just way too much money for a lot of 240 owners.

kidding about what? my post that you quoted and your reply have nothing to do with eachother. what did you mean to say

[D1champ]

Got any more pics of the DRFT PS13? The site doesn't have many to offer.

[Jcb890]

kidding about what? my post that you quoted and your reply have nothing to do with eachother. what did you mean to say

oh but it did. i said i hoped you were kidding about the damaged stuff.

then i put a space, like a new paragraph, which indicates a different thought and replied to C-West's questions. i said what i meant to say. get it?

[BigVinnie]

Yeah I would actually buy some of your stuff, if it was worth what you really should charge for it, not what you over rate it...... LOL

[BaliLover]

I think the market is severely lacking in front lip spoilers for the 91-94 USDM 240sx front bumpers. I believe if someone released a clean front lip, with no excessive vents/ducts/canards/snow plows, that they would sell a ton of them. Lets face it, most people with body kits have front bumpers that are cracked up from curb damage. It makes more sense to only have to repair/repaint a half bumper or lip spoiler than it does to fix and paint an entire bumper. I can only think of one or two lip spoilers that might be currently available in the US, and I don't feel either one are what people are looking for.

[mbmbmb23]

A "Oneline" style rear spoiler for the S13 Hatch.

http://charles.sykikchimp.org/images/oneline.jpg


Seriously.......if this was around $200 or less people would be ALL OVER it.


-m

[Supreme]

Unbelievable. I can get into the wind tunnel testing they use to make their AERO kits functional, the R&D involved that they use, the quality molding process and materials used, the fact that track cars have shaved time off their laps with just the use of one of their kits and how you can slap this one almost one time without major hacking and more but it would fall upon def ears. If your not willing to pay for quality and function, please dont waste space in this thread, they are PAYING for it not you. And before anyone gets their feelings hurt about what I just said, dont take it personally, Im saying to all equally not just you.

Chris @ CVR

[Codz93]

I would just like to see a nice clean lip kit, for the front, sides and rear. Something simple, there's really not to much out there. I don't want a full front or rear bumper, just something I could add on. Not a big fan of the chargespeed lip, or PDM's. A full urethane lip kit would be sweet.

[Gepeto]

I want a nice USDM S14 zenki lip...badly.

[BigVinnie]

Unbelievable. I can get into the wind tunnel testing they use to make their AERO kits functional, the R&D involved that they use, the quality molding process and materials used, the fact that track cars have shaved time off their laps with just the use of one of their kits and how you can slap this one almost one time without major hacking and more but it would fall upon def ears. If your not willing to pay for quality and function, please dont waste space in this thread, they are PAYING for it not you. And before anyone gets their feelings hurt about what I just said, dont take it personally, Im saying to all equally not just you.

Chris @ CVR

The fact is the chinese companies take these so called R&D'd kits and sell them at half the cost, (no offense to C west). Kinda like how Megan took the rights from the BC, which BC had the contracts with APEX'I. On any level it doesn't really matter what kit the company sells as long as it is affordable and "CHEAP". After all we are talking about installing components on cars that have a resale value under $5000.00, and C west want's to sell kits worth $3000~$6000, do the math. I would rather do an engine swap that has more power to shave more points in the 1/4mile than buy a kit that would cost the same. Most people that buy the 240's are using them for auto x or whatever, and smash them to crap anyways.

[Supreme]

The fact is the chinese companies take these so called R&D'd kits and sell them at half the cost, (no offense to C west). Kinda like how Megan took the rights from the BC, which BC had the contracts with APEX'I. On any level it doesn't really matter what kit the company sells as long as it is affordable and "CHEAP". After all we are talking about installing components on cars that have a resale value under $5000.00, and C west want's to sell kits worth $3000~$6000, do the math. I would rather do an engine swap that has more power to shave more points in the 1/4mile than buy a kit that would cost the same. Most people that buy the 240's are using them for auto x or whatever, and smash them to crap anyways.

Like I said, its a matter of courtesy. Without companies like C-West, you wouldnt have your $200 chinese copy. Your buying preferences are none of my business, my only point is, if your not interested, find it overpriced or just dont like it, then dont waste space in a thread geared toward people who ARE. We can all use not having to dig through 18 posts about "whaaa too much $$$ where da knockoffs at son" to find great information, ideas or suggestions.

Again, Im not intending to flame anyone if thats how it sounds, Im simply replying to what you replied to me :bigok:

[phreze]

A "Oneline" style rear spoiler for the S13 Hatch.

http://charles.sykikchimp.org/images/oneline.jpg


Seriously.......if this was around $200 or less people would be ALL OVER it.


-m

I second that, that spolier is awesome!

[A Spec Products]

Yes and no.

If it was under $200, I wouldn't be surprised if people then said it was still TOO high of a price.

Its very hard to please everyone, and from my experience its hard for a company like C-West to serve the US market since the American consumer's main priority is cost (especially with us 240 guys). To me, this is extremely apparent specifically in the US aero market.

This is just a generalization and obviously oversimplifies the situation and does not apply to everyone (since there are those that spend the money to get quality). Obviously, it's good to hear feedback, but if you say you are down, you have to meet C West half way by paying for the product when it releases.

I've seen many companies take suggestions from customers, invest the money to produce them, only to find that the previously interested public backs out. This kinda goes along with the "knockoffs thread" that was posted a while back.

Telling C West "make your prices lower and I'll buy it" does not motivate them to want to cater to your market, and in fact I'm sure it makes them quite upset. Its a two way street as a consumer, and yes, "customer comes first," but you have to take care of the manufacturers (and dealers no less) and respect them in order to have them take care of you. I'm not saying go out and buy C West or else, but just try and have more respect when a manufacturer goes out of their way to spend their time on a forum trying to hear what the end user has to say.

My apologies to C West, I didn't mean to take away from the thread.

[DP_Michelle G]

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[Supreme]

A-Spec has added to my feelings. On that note, Im dying to see what you guys come up with for the new 06 WRX/STI. Despite what many have said, I do like the 04-05 lip kit. The N1 aero kit for the s15 is outstanding. Are any fenders available for the S14 kouki?

[hksS14sr20det]

I have a S14 Zenki and have been planning to buy the c-west kit for it, however its really hard to tell what it looks like with the picture from your website. In fact after lots of searching with very little to show for it, I had to play Forza Motorsports to get a good idea of what the front bumber looks like. And the game has a kind of cartoony look to it.

Anyway to finish up I would like to see some better pics of the zenki kit and to know if you have any plans for other zenki kits, whether C-West or DRFT. Thanks.