Just a few questions that have come up

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

I am really doubting this but are there any ca18det's in usdm cars?
Is the 180sx the only car in japan to get it?
What cars got the rb20det?
Is it a six-speed tranny?
Will the tranny work w/ a S13?
It is six cylinders isn't it?
What cars did it come in, just the skyline?
Would i be able to find aftermarket support for the RB20det in the states or just in japan?
What is an estimated cost of both motors?
What other factory turbo charged engines were made from 1990-2002?
Does it really matter if the engine was in a awd or fwd car if you put on a rwd tranny/ecu?
What does a floating piston design mean?


Hopefully we don't have another ikonboard fuckup before this gets enough attention. thanks in advance.

Does anyone have pictures of the undercarriage of their car. &nbsp;Or maybe a picture in which the camera was even w/, the bottom of the rear bumper, left/right side of car, and front bumper?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;I am trying to visualize some aerodynamic issues and don't have acces to my 240sx yet. &nbsp;thanks for your time

[junia]

I am really doubting this but are there any ca18det's in usdm cars? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;No, there not available in any usdm cars. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
Is the 180sx the only car in japan to get it?
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;No, you can get it in the S12 silvia/gazelle, the nissan bluebird, and the S13 silvias.
What cars got the rb20det?
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The RB20DET came in the R32 skylines, the C33 Laurels, the A31 cefiros, Z31 fairlady Z(300zx),and the R31 skylines.
Is it a six-speed tranny?
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Nope
Will the tranny work w/ a S13? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The six speed tranny will work from a S15 but its not popular because the tranny is weak compared to the older 5 speed.
It is six cylinders isn't it?
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The RB engines are 6 cylinders.
What cars did it come in, just the skyline? &nbsp;I already answered that
Would i be able to find aftermarket support for the RB20det in the states or just in japan? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;There are some companies here that support that engine but you're not going to walk into a local autozone and get parts for it
What is an estimated cost of both motors? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Check out unstablehybrid's website
What other factory turbo charged engines were made from 1990-2002? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;There are too many for me to list.
Does it really matter if the engine was in a awd or fwd car if you put on a rwd tranny/ecu? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;hell yeah you have to change out the mounts and the intake and exhaust and then you got the whole distributor problem depending on the engine.
What does a floating piston design mean?No clue

[silviasichigo]

Junia summed it all up but the floating piston. I found this if you are talking about shock absorbers

Mono-Tube shock absorber. (fig. C)
The main components are:
- (pressure) cylinder, also called housing
- piston (2) connected to a piston rod (1)
- floating piston, also called separating piston (15)
- piston rod guide (3)
- upper and lower attachment
If you are talking about engines I have never heard of it.

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

<I am really doubting this but are there any ca18det's in usdm cars? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; No, there not available in any usdm cars.>

that sucks

<Is the 180sx the only car in japan to get it?
&nbsp; &nbsp; No, you can get it in the S12 silvia/gazelle, the nissan bluebird, and the S13 silvias.>

thanks

<What cars got the rb20det?
&nbsp; &nbsp; The RB20DET came in the R32 skylines, the C33 Laurels, the A31 cefiros, Z31 fairlady Z(300zx),and the R31 skylines.>

I thought the 300zx was a 3L engine. &nbsp;Well if the rb20det came in the 300zx, what years?

<Is it a six-speed tranny?
&nbsp; &nbsp; Nope>

Thanks

<Will the tranny work w/ a S13? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; The six speed tranny will work from a S15 but its not popular because the tranny is weak compared to the older 5 speed.>

What kind of torque ranges will the older 5-speed hold before breaking gears?

<It is six cylinders isn't it?
&nbsp; &nbsp; The RB engines are 6 cylinders.>

thanks

<What cars did it come in, just the skyline? &nbsp;I already answered that>

woops

<Would i be able to find aftermarket support for the RB20det in the states or just in japan? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; There are some companies here that support that engine but you're not going to walk into a local autozone and get parts for it> &nbsp;

I am talking online companies in the states. &nbsp;If the rb2ode came in the 300zx then i guess you could go to autozone for some of the parts. hehehehe

<What is an estimated cost of both motors? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; Check out unstablehybrid's website>
it has a price for the rb20det, but not for the ca18det. &nbsp;I am guessing it will be cheaper than an sr20det right?

<What other factory turbo charged engines were made from 1990-2002? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; There are too many for me to list.>

Okay how many of them are worth talking about. &nbsp;All i ever freakin here if ca18 this or sr20 that i want to be different and yet still have a great engine. &nbsp;So anything besides those, that you think are respectable.

<Does it really matter if the engine was in a awd or fwd car if you put on a rwd tranny/ecu? &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; hell yeah you have to change out the mounts and the intake and exhaust and then you got the whole distributor problem depending on the engine.>

dont you have to change out the mounts anyways, &nbsp;My car will be completely custom so fabricating parts for intake and exhaust shouldn't deter me. &nbsp;What does the distributor have to do w/ anything. all it does it tell what cylinder when to fire.

<What does a floating piston design mean?No clue>

I read it in an old thread about one of the advantages of the ca18det but have no idea what it is. &nbsp;I am guessing that it lets the piston rotate on the connecting rod smoother?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??

Okay, were can i set up a free online picture hosting website?

[junia]

the RB020DET came in the later version of the Z31 and they're only available in Japan. &nbsp;Lets see I think I can name most but not all of the turbo engines from around 1990 and on.

FJ20ET,CA18ET,CA18DET,RB20DET,RB25DET,RB26DETT,VG3 0ET,VG30DETT,and there were some other ones but I can't remember. &nbsp;Also, thats only from nissan.....

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

thanks for clearing that up. &nbsp;Is there any motor in any usdm car that is 2L six cylinder engine?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? &nbsp;If so then i really want it. &nbsp;It should have to smoothest powerband out of all the small motors.

[TwinTurbo]

There are many Other factors to creating a smooth powerband than a small displacement. My old 2.5L V6 MX6 was extreamly smooth. Granted i had 2 turbos bolted on worth over 2,000$ each. Its all about stroke and a low paracidic loss. Another thing to think about is the cams your going to run. I didnt get that far with the 6 cuz i got sick and tired of the car. I hate FWD. Your on the right track but i think you need a little more schoolin. Im planning on doing a RB25DET swop in time but i have way to much going on right now. It strikes me as a much better platform t build the altimate powet plant.

[s15dude]

If you got the money and time, put a RB in your 240. Crazy powerful engines, plus it has endless aftermarket support in Japan, I'm sure many of the companies that have US offices could get you the parts through a special order. Like I said, if you got the cash, go for it.

[TwinTurbo]

I have the $ and the skill. I have the handy ability and hookups to make vertualy any custome parts i need. Solid motor mounts, oversized throtle bodies, custome intake and exaust manies, and even my own intercoolers. Everyting is cheep when there arent any labor fees.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Does anyone have picks of a successfull RB swop???

[TwinTurbo]

Oops forgot about the floating piston.. Its not to common, and im totally shure how it works. It was done on mostly forced induction engines but is a waist of time. Its not actually the Piston that floats its the wrist pin. The pin actualy has some sort of bushing or bearing of sorts between the pin and piston. I duno exactly but it was explaned to me by a verry reliable sorce and he thinks its a waist of time.... Its saposed to reduce friction but on 90% of the engines out there the friction at that point is almost nothing in comparison to the ring/piston skirt-to-sleeve friction in the lower end of the stroke.

[sleek240]

to answer the question on the floting pins .. the piston pin is not pressed on like normal engines..like ford chevy..
the pins are held in place with a snap ring on each side so it wont come out and hit the cilinder walls..
the reason this is incorparated is for higer rpms.unlike domestic motors that dont go high.. and as for nissan all motors incorporate the f;loting wrist pins in the poiston.. how do u think we get so much rpm.. and its worth it . as i work on imports &nbsp;motors.. all jap crs come with full flotong pins .. how do u think the can reach high rpms.. its not the computer.what the computer acts like a cut off thats were the redline comes in..
so yes as my opinon full floting pins are worth it in small compact engines

[sleek240]

ohh yeah also with the floting pistons u can stay closer to red line for a longer period of time ... if u have the right set up...

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

Thanks for the floating wrist pin explaination. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Does anyone have a picture of an RB20det in a 240?
Does anyone becides unstable-hybrids do this swap?
What do you think the max redline could be on this engine?
Is there any room to bore the cylinders out any further?
anyone all the specs on this motor? comparison in weight to the ka24de?
anyone recommend some good websites that are in english for the rb20det, even if it is about the skyline?
When you destroke an engine, are you reducing the length of the connecting rod, and lowering the point of connection (between the piston and connecting rod) on the bottom of the piston, (so the top dead center is still the same or is their more volume at TDC) or are you getting a different crankshaft that has a shoter stroke but has longer connecting rods/taller pistons?

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

anyone?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

[sleek240]

why would u want to destrok a motor???just get a smaler one...as for the red line &nbsp;u can go as high as 10,000 rps as long as u have the right parts.. cams ,valve springs, retainers.ect .. as to destroke a motor u have tp change the crank stoke .. as smaller rod and change the center of the piston .towrds the lower part of the piston skirt..but again why would u want to do that .. just get lower comprsion pistons like 8<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> to 1 or mabe custome make a set to 7.5 to 1.
anyways &nbsp;good luck on ur project.. as u say u have the $$$ why dont just go to japan and get a motor built over there...dont take that as an insult nor am i being a smart ass.. if i really wanted to i would to the same .. and if i had the cash flow as of know i do my own motors and stuff..my ka is tirboed and i'm running 12 psi and the car runns &nbsp;a hefty 13:70 at 104 mph ahhh its automatic..and i think the tranny is feeling the abuse.. its kinda slippin a bit

[TwinTurbo]

OOPs i stand corected. But i was close. When it comes to internals im still being schooled. I have floating pistons in my dodge motor. hmm never even noticed that. Concidering i just put them in last week. Well hay ill stick to my turbo knolege. Thats my area...

[Arcane]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ April 24 2002,4:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am really doubting this but are there any ca18det's in usdm cars?
No, there not available in any usdm cars.
Is the 180sx the only car in japan to get it?
No, you can get it in the S12 silvia/gazelle, the nissan bluebird, and the S13 silvias.
What cars got the rb20det?
The RB20DET came in the R32 skylines, the C33 Laurels, the A31 cefiros, Z31 fairlady Z(300zx),and the R31 skylines.
Is it a six-speed tranny?
Nope
Will the tranny work w/ a S13?
The six speed tranny will work from a S15 but its not popular because the tranny is weak compared to the older 5 speed.
It is six cylinders isn't it?
The RB engines are 6 cylinders.
What cars did it come in, just the skyline? I already answered that
Would i be able to find aftermarket support for the RB20det in the states or just in japan?
There are some companies here that support that engine but you're not going to walk into a local autozone and get parts for it
What is an estimated cost of both motors?
Check out unstablehybrid's website
What other factory turbo charged engines were made from 1990-2002?
There are too many for me to list.
Does it really matter if the engine was in a awd or fwd car if you put on a rwd tranny/ecu?
hell yeah you have to change out the mounts and the intake and exhaust and then you got the whole distributor problem depending on the engine.
What does a floating piston design mean?No clue</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wow.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[9591]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sleek240 @ April 25 2002,12:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">as i work on imports motors.. all jap crs come with full flotong pins</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Apparently you don't work on many Honda engines. Every one I've taken apart had pressed-in pins. Dunno about other makes, because I've never had one of them apart enough to find out. Sorta doubt they're all floating, though.

[9591]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ballistic-Mobile.com @ April 25 2002,12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When you destroke an engine, are you reducing the length of the connecting rod, and lowering the point of connection (between the piston and connecting rod) on the bottom of the piston, (so the top dead center is still the same or is their more volume at TDC) or are you getting a different crankshaft that has a shoter stroke but has longer connecting rods/taller pistons?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The crank is what determines stroke. Destroking an engine requires a different crankshaft, or reworking the stock one. Longer connecting rods and/or changing the pin height will also be required, to put the piston crown at the proper position at TDC. It's an expensive proposition.

[junia]

I'm going to look into why but the RB20 swap is not that popular in Japan. &nbsp;In fact people swap out their RB20 engines for either an SR or the newer RB25 engines. &nbsp;I heard something like the
RB engines don't handle the whole staying around 8000 rpm thing. &nbsp;Thats just what I heard from alot of people that drift out there. &nbsp;On the other hand People who dragged race said they like the RB20 because they had more torque and could take off harder than the SR. &nbsp;I'm not too sure so I'm going to check up on that and get back. &nbsp;Also if you have the money you can just swap out the KA for a RB26DETT. &nbsp;I know it can happen. &nbsp;I've seen it done a couple of times in Okinawa. &nbsp;Also in Mainland Japan they have some guys that swap out their sr's for the VG20DETT, or throw a 400HP 13B into a hachiroku and whatnot because they race on the expressway up there and they build their cars to try and keep up with the big dogs like the GTR's, GTO's, EVO's, the Z's and others.