View Full Version : WHAT DO i NEED FOR KA-T CONVERSION?
maxramsay
09-02-2005, 12:15 PM
Hello all,
I am new here and have recently aquired a 1992 240sx that is just shrieking for a turbo but i know nothing of the conversion so i was wondering if any of you could direct me to somewhere that tells me exactly what i need and how much it is going to cost...
thanks all
Max
Nan Desu Ka?!
09-02-2005, 12:18 PM
some advise for you, purchase a flame retardent suit and strap in.
use the damn search button, this topic is all over the place on these threads. After you have read for hours and hours on what you need and you STILL have a SPECIFIC question, then post. untill then, be ready to be fed to the dogs...
oh yeah, welcome to zilvia.
SDS14Driver
09-02-2005, 03:59 PM
There's a KA-T sticky in the tech section.
aznpoopy
09-02-2005, 04:14 PM
Hello all,
I am new here and have recently aquired a 1992 240sx that is just shrieking for a turbo but i know nothing of the conversion so i was wondering if any of you could direct me to somewhere that tells me exactly what i need and how much it is going to cost...
thanks all
Max
step #1 : learn about cars
step #2 : learn about turbos
step #3 : acquire turbo parts
step #4 : install turbo parts
Jeff240sx
09-02-2005, 09:10 PM
STOP MAKING POSTS SOLELY REFERRING TO OTHER FORUMS.
The purpose of this forum is to help everyone, not to be a detour and then give directions to other forums.
-Jeff
SochBAT
09-02-2005, 09:20 PM
Jeff +1
Well, the basics. Turbo, manifold, injectors, intercooler, piggyback/standalone, and money.
Or you could donate to Zilvian's relief fund and i'll send you my SOHC turbo list. :wiggle:
S14DB
09-02-2005, 09:25 PM
FAQ *cough* http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=62609 *cough*
veilside180sx
09-02-2005, 09:35 PM
I'm feeling both nice and lazy at the same time. This is the information I have posted on ka-t.org in the sohc section. Most of it transcends both DOHC and SOHC. Manifolds will be different and injectors, but most of the rest is the same.
These are the Prerequisites to building a SOHC Turbo. Together we will go through typical setups from mild to extreme to reach the power goals you desire. These are lists of typically used items that are easily attainable by the average person. All setups should have the Air to Fuel Ratio verified on a dyno with wideband or at very least on a track using an in-car wideband setup (NO watching the standard O2 signal and calling it good). If your using pump gas and seeing air to fuel ratios more lean than 11.8:1-12:1, some rethinking on the tuning/fuel setup will be needed. A narrowband guage(typical A/F guage from Autometer for instance) is not complex enough to be a real indication of the ratios inside your combustion chamber.
Very Mild Build: around 180 rwhp
Turbo Manifold
Blow Off Valve
Turbo (T25)
Downpipe 2.5" is perfectly fine
Pipe to connect turbo to throttle body
Fuel Control:
FMU (not recommended, but doable) Raises fuel pressure per boost to make injectors flow more than normal.
DSM 450cc Injectors or Comparable (These injectors are low impedence, while the ECU requires high impedence. Making it necessary to wire in resistors to alter that so the ECU can control them. These can be found at places found at the bottom)
Apexi SAFC2
Greddy Emanage
Mild power adder, say you want around 200 rwhp.
Turbo Manifold
Blow Off Valve
Small Intercooler (potentially get away with a side mount)
Turbo T25/T28/14B, etc. Smaller T2 setups. Usually will be internally wastegated.
Downpipe 2.5" is perfectly fine
Replacing the Exhaust is starting to be very necessary at this stage, so I would start to shop for that as well.
Fuel Control
DSM 450cc Injectors
Apexi SAFC2
Greddy Emanage
Back off base timing at distributor or MSD BTM
Average: 300 rwhp to 350 rwhp, you have to start to expect a little more lag. This is about the perfect "street car" limit. No race gas, just good honest street car fun that is fully capable of bring home a 12 second timeslip on a good run.
Turbo Manifold
T3/T04E .50 Trim compressor, .60 trim compressor housing / Stg 3 (aka TA31) turbine wheel, .48 to .63 A/R exhaust housing. Internal wastegate optional but not recommended.
Downpipe can still be 2.5", but this is as far as I would want to push that.
Front Mount Intercooler (FMIC) It's time to upgrade to a larger front mount as the larger will push more air than the smaller sidemount can cool.
Fuel Control
550cc Injectors
SAFC2 to control your fuel injectors, along with the stock ecu.
MSD BTM At this stage I would be running the BTM to control timing retard.
Reflashed ECU-This can be a DIY thing with Eprom Tuning or a JWT. This is the largest JWT is capable of flashing for those that want it.
Z32 Maf is required, as the stock Maf stops being able to read at around 260 rwhp.
Wideband O2 Sensor should be installed for tuning.
Block Internals
This is where I would start to consider it necessary to replace you pistons.
Above Average: 350 rwhp to 425 rwhp
Turbo Manifold
Blow Off Valve
T3/T04E 50 Trim .48/.63 or slightly larger turbo, this is where I would start to make the switch up to an external wastegate. You have the option to reroute it back into the exhaust, or merely "dump" it out into the open. "Dump" is usually a mini exhaust in the form of 1.5" piping routed out to the open.
FMIC Larger is starting to be necessary. Typical for setups from here on, are 12"x24"x3" for the core.
Downpipe 3", at this point I would switch to the larger downpipe. You can probably get away with it at 2.5", but it will be causing a little bit of backpressure. Moving to 3" piping as quickly as possible is what you want though. Usually it is necessary to have the first bend 2.5" to clear the steering shaft though.
Exhaust 3"
Block Internals
At this stage you'll want to "build" or fortify your block to better handle boost. Previous to this you can walk the line, but here and forward I find it necessary to do so.
Forged Rods
Forged Pistons
Stock Crank
Plus your typical rebuild items.
Fuel Control
Standalone fuel management is recommended at this stage in the game and is absolutely necessary at the next. These allow you control not only very large injectors, but the tuner to have complete control over both timing and fuel.
720cc Injectors.
Wideband O2 Sensor is necessary for tuning.
Wild Build: 425 rwhp to 600 rwhp. Lag is obviously going to be much more apparent, full boost isn't going to happen until around 4000-5000 rpms or so. Once spooled it will pull very hard.
Turbo Manifold
Turbo T3/T61/SC61 or GT35R seem to be the typical turbo's in the area. External Wastegate is your only option that should be considered.
Blow Off Valve You'll want a good performing more expensive blow off valve to alleviate reverted air when the throttle body closes from pushing against the compressor wheel.
FMIC the 24"x12"x3" Core's are still effective in this range.
Downpipe 3" is still capable of handling these power levels
Exhaust 3" or larger
Fuel Control
720cc-1600cc Injectors
Standalone Fuel Management
Recommeded to switch to Map instead of Maf for reading airflow.
Wideband 02 Sensor installed and wired into standalone for adjustments and monitoring.
Dyno tuning is very valuable.
Block Internals
Along with the previously mentioned internals I would add these to the list
Cam (per your discretion)
Build your head as well
Solid Lifter Conversion (not required, but not a bad idea)
Valve Springs
Valve Retainers
ARP Head/Main Studs
Cometic Headgasket or similar
Absolute turbo necessities...amongst the aforementioned goodies above.
Oil Lines (Picture of good return location)
http://northwestnissans.com/photopost/data/500/3509oilpanbung.jpg
Boost gauge
Here's lists of aftermarket products that are currently on the market
Turbo Build Parts
Turbo Manifold (Exhaust Manifold)
JGS Precision
http://northwestnissans.com/photopost/data/500/3509turbomani-med.jpg
Realnissan.com
Import-AutoPerformance.com
http://home.att.net/~MabuhayCarlos/IAP1b.jpg
BOV
Tial
Greddy RS
JGS
HKS SSQV
Wastegates
Tial
http://northwestnissans.com/photopost/data/500/3509tial.jpg
JGS
http://northwestnissans.com/photopost/data/500/3509jgswastegate-med.jpg
Turbonetics
Block Internals
Pistons: Can be accomplished one of two ways, by purchasing ones that are made for the E with their intended compression ratio. The other is to use DE pistons and subtract a full compression point to equal the difference between the E and DE head. (ie 9:1 DE pistons will be 8:1 in an E)
Arias 8.8:1(E)
Wiseco 9:1(DE) 8:1(E)
JE
Ross 8.5:1(E)
CP 9:1(DE) 8:1(E)
Rods: Any rod that will fit the bottom end of the DE will work with E as well.
Crower
Pauter
Carillo
Eagle (release tbd)
Bearings
Whatever your preference is for rebuilds. Mine is Clevite.
Headgasket
SCE gaskets
Valves
SI valves
Cams
PDM Racing
Nissan Motorsports
Colt Cams
Hybridka.com
JWT Technology
Solid Lifter Conversion Kit
Hybridka.com
Typical Injectors Used on SOHC
DSM (Eclipse/Talon/Laser) 450cc Injectors *Low Impedence*
RX-7 T2 550cc Injectors *High Impedence* Denso 195500-2020
RX-7 N/A 460cc Injectors *High Impedence*
CA18DET 370cc Injectors *Low Impedence*
Injector Resistors (To alter low impedence to work with a high impedence ecu)
JWT Technology
JGS Precision
veilside180sx
09-02-2005, 09:37 PM
Someone can copy and paste all that as well, I don't mind. Sticky it or whatever.
nsn240
09-02-2005, 09:39 PM
wow that was nice^^ just search, research, read read read read and read some more... the more knowledge you have the easier it'll be to install and decide
theicecreamdan
09-02-2005, 09:48 PM
why is this thread going on for 9 posts, but the SR thread RIGHT below it got locked in less than 3?
S14DB
09-02-2005, 10:32 PM
why is this thread going on for 9 posts, but the SR thread RIGHT below it got locked in less than 3?
Good point. All your answers are in this sticky
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