ddrug coilover thread...

[sw20>>s14]

the GBers are starting to post in the gb thread and i dont think its getting enough attention cuz ppl dont check back there...and i know a lot more ppl got these or else my coilovers were delayed for nothing...seeing as how the ddrugs are quite new to our market and we (GBers) were the first batch to get them, why dont we discuss them here...

basically, share what you think about them, what settings yield what specs (camber via camber notches and camber via height adj), what you decided to preload it to and pics of the drop (reference for others), any problems that occured that you wanna bring to others attention, if you would recommend them, etc...im just curious

[240trainee]

I've got them on the car, need to get my newly aquired "good" wheels on the front, and the car aligned. my front end is all kinda screwed. Once I get pics and everything sorted I'll make a worthwhile post.

[upSLIDEdown]

Did your shirt end up being too small? If so, I'll take it off your hands. :aw:

Bryan

[240trainee]

Lol, it'll work. alittle on the tight side in the gut, but I could stand to loose some weight anyway.

[upSLIDEdown]

Damnit, I guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and order one. Brian @ MA said he could get me one (bought my aero from them).

[s0ldats]

my rear end is realllllllllyyyyyyyy (that is an understatement) bouncy.


i am hoping that it's the tires. tire size 205/50/15 hankook rs2 in the front and hrII in the rear.

[vvtisupra]

it could be your dampening or the lack there of. What settings do you have. Some people think because they set it on soft that it will be comfortable but remember the bounce can also come from a lack of dampening.

[s0ldats]

i have tried full stiff and it has no effect on the oscillations.

the front shock valving is amazing, no problems, but the rear, if not the tires leaves me empty.

[sw20>>s14]

i am hoping that it's the tires. tire size 205/50/15 hankook rs2 in the front and hrII in the rear.
i have tried full stiff and it has no effect on the oscillations.

the front shock valving is amazing, no problems, but the rear, if not the tires leaves me empty.
im thinking its the tires too...running a lower profile...dont know why it would be exessively bouncy though...itll be stiffer...maybe you and i have different definitions of "bouncy" and "stiffer."

so so far no one has any alignment specs or anything? anybody "put them to the test yet?" :2f2f:

[s0ldats]

i do have alignment, and i'm already on 50 series on 15". thing that bothers me is that the front is not bouncy at all, just the rear. i'll hit a little joint in the road and the front stays planted, but the rear will keep on bouncin away.


my specs:

FRONT -2.5* camber close to 7* caster.

REAR -1.1* camber

zero toe all around.

[sw20>>s14]

oh, i assumed that you were running stock SEs with stock sizing...which notches did you decide to do to get those figures? i figure that the rest of the ddrugers could use it as a general reference...

[s0ldats]

i put it up on the alignment rack.

gonna try different tires soon. i would have assumed that if it was a valving problem that the fronts would exhibit bounciness since they're running a higher rate than the rear.




my setup:

d-drug 10/8
all aftermarket suspension links except for f/r LCA.
subframe spacers
tomei lsd

front tires: 205/50/15 hankook rs2 40psi
rear tires: 205/50/15 hankook h405 hr2 40psi

[PooPoo240]

your car will feel better with larger wheels and lower profile tires.
I thought I was gonna break my back with my SE wheels on my s14... once I put my 18's on, the suspension felt...much much better. especially the rear.

[s0ldats]

why only the rear though? doesn't make sense to me.

i understand that tires is a large factor in this. this is why i got lower profile tires to eliminate whatever give i could.

[vvtisupra]

more weight in the front. Springs rates can be too over bearing for the valving. or you got it right its the sidewalls and the weight in the front just keeps the sidewalls compressed

[s0ldats]

yeah makes sense. i'm about 130lbs in the car with a lot of shit gone in the rear.

tongiht i had my 250lb friend ride along with me and the ride was soooo much better. unbelieveable. you guys have any suggestions on curing my weight problem? (or lack thereof)

i'm guessing there is a considerable amount of preload on the spring because they're not dual height adjustable and i have the rear set to practically full height. i may try lowering it an inch or 2. slammage.

[s0ldats]

update!!!!!!

i like these a LOT now that i know how to use them.

they do NOT like being at full height. if anyone is having under damping like symptoms. lower them. this is a problem with d-drugs because they do not have a seperate height perch.

[BrandC]

im actually bout to slap them in...whats this about them not liking full height? i was planning to tighten the seat and preload about a half an inch from there...where did you do it to? hey not like it matters, but which rear is which? reservoir facing the front of the car or facing back?

this is sw20

[s0ldats]

explain to me what you mean by preload the spring and such.

[OptionZero]

there's an adjustment where u can actually compress the spring a little in static position, so instead of dropping down there's force on the springs. Makes it more effectively stiffer dampening wise I think.

Also used for corner balancing, but i could be wrong

[S14DB]

they do NOT like being at full height. if anyone is having under damping like symptoms. lower them. this is a problem with d-drugs because they do not have a separate height perch.No height perch? what crap.

[sw20>>s14]

No height perch? what crap.
shaaaAAAaaaAAAddup... :fawkd:

slapped em in for dday and took a couple of turns around the block...nice nice nice :boink: ...my previous rant on the gb page...take every single word back...the clicks are sooooo freakin precise and chrisp...fit and finish was teh shitz...i love em...ill post pics very soon...maybe in like 5 mins...maybe tm...im supposed to be up at 6 for dday! :Owned:

edit: oh yeah, i ended up preloading it half an inch above 0 preload out back and a quarter of an inch above 0 in the front...nice height...perfect with my 16s...

[s0ldats]

ok so 0 preload means the perch is up snug with the spring but not putting any tension on it correct?

[Buffalo Daughter]

Zero preload is no tension on the springs to the perch.

I have ddrugs on my s14 which ive been fooling around with all weekends and finally got the adjustments down today. Running 20 dampening in front and 30 in the rear. My front is dropped about 2.75 inches and the rear is about 2.50. It does suck that there is no height perch but you have to sacrifice that for this kind of short strut coilover setup. This is really a super dump coilover. I have super dumped my s14 where the rims were hella tucked but it was unbearable to drive around with since my midpipe to the header was scraping!OUCH!! But i must it is pretty dope. I also followed my homie chrispy through san felipe doing some spirited driving and it nothing but best. The rear coilovers are at max height though. Meaning i had to adjust the coilover to the top of the thread which is like still really low. The fronts go all way up to stock height if not more. Camber settings are at 0 but i had it at all the negative but wasnt as fun to drive but handled really well when i swung her out on a corner.

To sum it up im really happy with this coilovers. The dampening is really responsive and you can really feel the click when you adjust the tension and the overall response and feel of these coilovers are well worth the money paid.

[S_14.5]

shaaaAAAaaaAAAddup... :fawkd:

slapped em in for dday and took a couple of turns around the block...nice nice nice :boink: ...my previous rant on the gb page...take every single word back...the clicks are sooooo freakin precise and chrisp...fit and finish was teh shitz...i love em...ill post pics very soon...maybe in like 5 mins...maybe tm...im supposed to be up at 6 for dday! :Owned:

edit: oh yeah, i ended up preloading it half an inch above 0 preload out back and a quarter of an inch above 0 in the front...nice height...perfect with my 16s...

where da pics?

[240trainee]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/DSC02760copy.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/240trainee/DSC02778copy.jpg

D-Drugs, the fronts can go the height of my 1/2" socket lower (1/2-3/4"), and the rears can go alot lower if I wanted, but that would be stupid, lol. I need my swazies on the front, buuuuuut gotta get the tires changed first. I'm very happy with these coilovers.

[inertia]

Hey, sorry to revive the thread, but i was wondering what opinions your guys have about the coilovers? after about 2 months of driving on them. Ive had my s14 set(10/8) ever since the group buy, but havnt put them on since i was inbetween cars,soo..im about to put them on. so if you have any comments please share!

[Buffalo Daughter]

dope coils. 8/6 kg. Super short. im dumped but not fully but my rim setup is 15f 16r so its pretty low. no gap between fenders adn am running 50/55 profiles. They were worth every penny. All is good cept no perch adjustment on the shock tower. But then again i think its because its a small damper plus the resi's.

[sw20>>s14]

i love em...10/8 kg...mines not slammed though...check my above post to gauge level of preloading...running stock 205/55/16s on my s14...barely any gap if any at all...

VERY SHORT STROKE!!!...when i first installed them my friends and i were puzzled because we finished one corner and the wheel was suspended in the air on jacks...picture the rear not suspended; but looked dropped, in the air!...haha...i three wheel on driveways and have to rock back and forth to get momentum...people think im crazy or dont know how to drive stick because i get stuck and they see me rock back and forth and peel out...but a diff will take care of that soon...muahahaha...

as for the height, its really not crazy low, though it could be...however, with my current setup, it doesnt feel like the springs are preloaded enough...the rebound travel feels like its a lot more (way way way more) than the compression stroke...so i might preload it just a tad more...but then again, i havent really had time to mess with the dampening...so i am basing the previous statement on all 5s and all 10s (while commuting too)...

as for the dampening...its sweet...i first rode around in all 5s...felt fantastic (coming from eibach sportlines and stock shocks)...for a drift event i did 10F and 20R i believe...not bad for half the dampers' capacity...then one day on mountain roads i did all 10s...after one run, i did all 20s...what a difference...solid-thats all i can say...keep in mind, all my car has in susp. is the coils and the car felt great...no sways(no rear at all>base model), no bushings, no strut bars, not even alignment; nothing...and it felt great...i havent gone past 20 on dampening due to the fact that i dont have much time...but im sure it feels like sex...

all in all, a great coilover...like buffalo said, worth every penny...sorry for the long late night post...but you asked for it, you got it... :goyou: