View Full Version : using computer game to practice drifting
xagna
08-31-2005, 06:50 PM
I am thinking about practicing drifting with computer or game console racing game.
How much practical and helpful do you think this would be? Besides money...
Do you any of you practice your drifting with computer or game console games?
Any racing or driving simulation do you recommand for this?
wootwoot
08-31-2005, 06:58 PM
To practice drifting I recommend going in some grass, gravel, or a wet empty road parking lot. F video games for that, its about feel with drifting. Thats how I feel atleast.
yeah, unless you're studying a racing line for a specific track, video games really arent gonna teach you anything
JDMs13
08-31-2005, 07:19 PM
^^^
what they said.....
gran turismo 3 though.
blackflag_Rms13
08-31-2005, 07:23 PM
I like driftin in games like GT4 etc but I would never ever even think about trying to learn/practice in it. Its relatively unrealistic and no matter how good the physics are it won't teach you jack shit, especially without a wheel (Note: having a wheel does not change what I said)
People are quick to hate on video games but honestly if you say they won't teach you anything you're simply overstating the truth. Of course they aren't a replacement for real driving but you can learn a lot about general concepts of car dynamics if you dont have a lot of driving experience.
blaze1
08-31-2005, 07:48 PM
This thing a 60inch and your set
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/hardware/reviews/sparcoracing/sparco_screen001.jpg
SimpleSexy180
08-31-2005, 07:50 PM
This thing a 60inch and your set
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/2005/hardware/reviews/sparcoracing/sparco_screen001.jpg
wow no clutch, GFG! :down:
hey blaze....what kind of car do you drive? im from moval too :p
blaze1
08-31-2005, 08:02 PM
im working on getting a Turbo2 FC at the moment whats your name, i might know you.
blaze1
08-31-2005, 08:03 PM
I had a SOHC auto 240 for a while, usto drive it for like beggening of summer up too 2 weeks ago. Sold it for double the price i got it, i didnt drive it a whole lot.
HyperTek
08-31-2005, 08:21 PM
you can learn alot from video games... racing lines, wieght transfer etc... Gran Turismo games are not the best tho, try Enthusia for PS2, better physics.. and Live For Speed for PC http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=fp
rrobe99999
09-01-2005, 07:29 AM
wow no clutch, GFG!
What games do you play that have a clutch button?
chlatboy
09-01-2005, 07:48 AM
What games do you play that have a clutch button?
Im still waiting for one to come out.
Dousan_PG
09-01-2005, 09:15 AM
d1gp whatever jdm game has a clutch button.
but only for clutch kicks,not shifting
it rules.
MELLO*SOS
09-01-2005, 09:21 AM
you can learn alot from video games... racing lines, wieght transfer etc... Gran Turismo games are not the best tho, try Enthusia for PS2, better physics.. and Live For Speed for PC http://www.liveforspeed.net/?page=fp
Yeah try "Live For Speed s2" racing simulator... it has clutch capability too.
HyperTek
09-01-2005, 12:15 PM
enthusia has a clutch.. can do donuts =D.. id like to see someone do donuts in gran turismo.. hehe
I literally learned how to drift playing GT3. I recommend you to practice for hours on end with car setup and everything. Once i made it out to the real track i learned really fast.
SDS14Driver
09-01-2005, 01:01 PM
Sigh...
Very interesting comments in this post. You have to understand that a video game is designed for entertainment value, not for simulation purposes. Do you think that astronauts train for space travel by playing a couple hours of starwars tie fighter each night? It just doesn't work that way...
I'll stick with that example:
Simulating a 0 gravity environment by flying up and diving down is the best they can do and that's not even a real world situation... GT4 or anything built for entertainment value can teach you NOTHING about the feeling of a real world driving experience, let alone the dynamics of drift. You have 0 fear when tapping the L1 button when entering a corner at high speed. (get where i'm going...?)
If you want to learn anything in this world, you need experience, even textbooks are limited. (Which is why many college degrees won't make you any money w/o experience)
If you're serious about learning, put down the controller, stop watching initial D reruns and look up a driving school's actual cirriculum to get an idea of what needs to happen for the average driving rookie to become a drifter. If you like what you see, enroll.
Simple as that.
Using a computer game to "practice" drifting will get you or somebody else KILLED. [Period]
Sigh...
Very interesting comments in this post. You have to understand that a video game is designed for entertainment value, not for simulation purposes. Do you think that astronauts train for space travel by playing a couple hours of starwars tie fighter each night? It just doesn't work that way...
I'll stick with that example:
Simulating a 0 gravity environment by flying up and diving down is the best they can do and that's not even a real world situation... GT4 or anything built for entertainment value can teach you NOTHING about the feeling of a real world driving experience, let alone the dynamics of drift. You have 0 fear when tapping the L1 button when entering a corner at high speed. (get where i'm going...?)
If you want to learn anything in this world, you need experience, even textbooks are limited. (Which is why many college degrees won't make you any money w/o experience)
If you're serious about learning, put down the controller, stop watching initial D reruns and look up a driving school's actual cirriculum to get an idea of what needs to happen for the average driving rookie to become a drifter. If you like what you see, enroll.
Simple as that.
Using a computer game to "practice" drifting will get you or somebody else KILLED. [Period]
everything is so matter-of-fact in your statement. And you're so wrong. GT3 is one of the most realistic driving engines as far as drifting goes. It teaches you good feel. Even alignment changes accurately affect the car's dynamics. Comparing it to astronauts and Tie Fighter is stupid and not a good analogy, cause tie fighter isn't supposed to be realstic. Considering there are no such thing as
1-Tie Fighters
2-Dogfights in Outer Space
Granted i DID have driving and motorcycle riding experience before i picked up the game, but it did teach me do's and dont's for drifting.
Obviously you dont want to have 0 driving experience, play a video game, then go try to race. What i'm saying may or may not apply to the thread starter, the readers, or you but it applied to me and i'm sharing my experience truthfully. So my point is that dont disreguard something i said like i'm lying or like you are the authority on driving.
BTW GT3 was supposed to be a driving simulator. I've seen the making of it and read about it too, and the people who made the game were very set on making it as real as possible.
yudalicious
09-01-2005, 01:27 PM
I think it can be generalized from all the above posts that
if you don't know how to drift in real life, GT3 (or any other game, for that matter) drifting isn't gonna magically make you drift in real life.
I think it can be generalized from all the above posts that
if you don't know how to drift in real life, GT3 (or any other game, for that matter) drifting isn't gonna magically make you drift in real life.
Maybe if you worded it like this i would agree.
If you dont know how to drive in real life, GT3(or any other game, for that matter) is not going to teach you.
I think if you can drive and know the physics of your car, it will definitely get you half way there or more.
Again..this is my opinion and i'm gonna stand by it.
SDS14Driver
09-01-2005, 01:34 PM
I think it can be generalized from all the above posts that
if you don't know how to drift in real life, GT3 (or any other game, for that matter) drifting isn't gonna magically make you drift in real life.
Exactly.
I'm just a visitor here in the Chat section of the zilvia world. Threads like these are exactly why i stay the hell away.
GT3 is a great driving video game, granted. But please, find me a pro racer of any sort who will fuckin testify that video game practice is a good means of gaining real world driving skill and ill hand you the keys to my car...
Why do you need a pro driver to tell you? I'm telling you. I'm not a pro, but i drift on the track. I've told you twice already. It helped my learning curve drastically and it helped me tune my touge car too as far as spring rates and alignment.
SDS14Driver
09-01-2005, 01:41 PM
I'm asking for a pro because they've refined the techniques necessary to be a damn pro. Not to rip on your "skill" or anything pal, but you're not a pro, and you say you've developed your driving techniques from a playstation 2 video game; so forgive me for not finding your sources crediable enough.
If a pro racer on the other hand, who knows what it takes to get to that level gives a video game his or her endorsement for learning to improve then shit, i'll be the first to stand corrected. Until that happens, happy gaming and good luck with your driving carreer.
I'm asking for a pro because they've refined the techniques necessary to be a damn pro. Not to rip on your "skill" or anything pal, but you're not a pro,
I was the first to say that i wasn't
and you say you've developed your driving techniques from a playstation 2 video game; so forgive me for not finding that crediable enough.
I developed my driving skill on the racetrack, and used the GT3 driving simulator an aid to understand the physics of it in the beginning.
If a pro racer on the other hand, who knows what it takes to get to that level gives a video game his or her endorsement for learning to improve then shit, i'll be the first to stand corrected.
If a pro endorses something, i automatically dont believe it, cause it's an endorsement. But that's just me i guess.
Until that happens, happy gaming and good luck with your driving carreer.
Thanks. If i qualify for Formula D next year i'll be sure to make a mention of Gran Turismo 3.
MakotoS13
09-01-2005, 01:59 PM
If a pro racer on the other hand, who knows what it takes to get to that level gives a video game his or her endorsement for learning to improve then shit, i'll be the first to stand corrected. Until that happens, happy gaming and good luck with your driving carreer.
what makes a pro a pro? INCOME derived from the event they are participating in. good drivers are all over the place, getting paid for it doesn't make you a good drive. i guess you also believe that only good bands are famous too or that astronauts are geeks for using simulators before the real thing in space.
you're fuggin out of your gourd and its about time you go home.
Exactly.
I'm just a visitor here in the Chat section of the zilvia world. Threads like these are exactly why i stay the hell away.
GT3 is a great driving video game, granted. But please, find me a pro racer of any sort who will fuckin testify that video game practice is a good means of gaining real world driving skill and ill hand you the keys to my car...
Find me a pro who says its useless, and i'll give you the keys to MY car.
its pretty obvious you're not a "pro level driver"
and dont act like you hate the chat section of zilvia, but instead post a lot of super helpful stuff in tech, because you dont, you have 88 posts.
continue lurking, and keep your high and mighty bullshit for 240sx.org
wootwoot
09-01-2005, 03:53 PM
Remember when two drivers switched places in f1 and NASCAR as a publicity stunt? I cant remember who the drivers were, but it was fun to watch. Whoever drove the f1 car in NASCAR would have placed in the first 1/4 of the pack and who was driving the f1 car from NASCAR would have finished about 4 seconds behind the pack(which is still really really good). But thats not the point I'm getting at. My point is that the f1 driver was said to have practiced on video games before any exerience in the car. It can teach you extreme basic things, thats it. I mean, its a silly question to ask really. I still vote for empty field/gravel/empty wet parking lot.
Video games will give you the basic idea to use a steering wheel, but its completely different, so many things can affect a driver, g's, bumps, etc,
I personally feel gt3 had no feel at all, very unrealistic, in terms of real car driving, grip driving was ok, but once you go trying to ebrake/power over or anything, it has no physics similar to that of driving.
boycelaforest707
09-01-2005, 06:24 PM
F1 drivers train on simulators in off season...... :)
OptionZero
09-01-2005, 06:31 PM
no time to drive, spend too much time asking questions on zilvia.net!!!hahahaha
HyperTek
09-01-2005, 07:12 PM
man forget this.. Need for Speed Underground 2 hands down.... the civic is the best drifter
mellojoe
09-01-2005, 07:47 PM
I'm going to add my 2 cents..... I know I should stay out of this.... but *deep breath*
There is no replacement for actual track driving. There is no way I could play a video game, hit the track, and be good. No. Not going to happen. Real life experience. Real life adrenaline. Real life heartbeat. Sure, running in a pack of 20 cars bumper to bumper on a video game is one thing. But, mastering the skills of late braking and crisp turn-in while under the adrenaline rush of actually doing it, is a whole 'nother.
But, there are things you can take away from a video game, that you may not have the opporutunity elsewhere. Take a game like GT3 (since it was thrown out as an example), you have unlimited RESETs. You can see one way a vehicle might respond if you set one parameter one way, and then one way the same vehicle might respond if you change that single parameter. How many of us wish we had the time, money, or objectivity, to be able to do that at the race track. I know I can't log enough hours, simply because I can't afford the track time, nor can I reserve the track to allow me the freedom to make mistakes.
Also, I can't afford to crash my vehicle, so I have to drive at only 80% all the time. Bringing the car to 100% all the time puts too much at risk for me, personally, for now. With a video game, you have the freedom to go "WHOOPS!" without any consequences.
Now, the CHOICE of video game would be a tough one. Midnight Club DUB Wars, or whatever its called, is probably not the best choice. Need 4 Speed: Porche Unleashed would be better. GT3 (haven't played GT4 or Forza, so I don't know) would probably be best. NASCAR 2005 would be decent for oval track racing.
See my point? While any amount of hours on a video game is not going to "help" you drive better, it may help you understand how the different parameters of a vehicle and their overall affect on a vehicle. Sure, it won't be exact, nor will it be 100% reliable, but there might be some valuable feedback.
It would be the same as sitting around and talking about the "theory" of driving. I can sit here all day long and think on different driving theories. What does late braking mean? What is a fade drift? How does caster affect corner entry? How does power on exit affect corner setup? When should I turn in? How long should I stay on the gas?
I can think on these things until my head catches on fire, and it won't make me a better driver. But, taking the ideas I've come up with and putting some of them into practice on the track WILL.
Learning the "tricks" of a video game, or learning how to steer with your thumb won't do you any good. However, studying car behavior, car design, and the theory of driving COMBINED with your seat time, will make a difference.
Its like visualizing before you attack. Ever play basket ball? Ever go for a free-throw? You visualize before you take your shot. Video games, driver theory, classroom time .... all are great ways to visualize. But, the only way to see any improvement, the only way to score, is to get out there and try it.
SDS14Driver
09-02-2005, 03:48 PM
Excellent reinforcement of your points Mell. I nominate this answer as THE end all be all answer of this thread.
O.G. thread opener: Be sure to check out local driving schools and check out their prices. They're a great way to eliminate the risk of using your own car, tires etc... You'd be suprised how affordable some can be & the experience you can pick up for the price.
Good luck.
You can't have an end all post on an opinion thread. And while i still disagree, i'm not responding cause i've said what i had to say.
The same way you can state that it doesnt help, I can say that it does, except that I'm right. The point is you cant stand there and say it doesnt help when people have learned things about car control from playing video games, its that simple. I hate it when people state opinions as facts, quit flattering yourself.
SochBAT
09-02-2005, 09:31 PM
Simulator games can teach you cool things, basic physics, handling characteristics, power to weight ratios, suspension tuning, basic crap. Don't try to become an overnight Takumi by just playing games. Go out to events, even if you just watch, and try to draw the participants lines and his clipping points on his line.
best thing to do is behind the wheels (even daily driving helps). If you cn't do that, you're stuck with watching someone drive, or videogames. Some say there is always that one 'perfect' line that you GOTTA follow, but i'm not hearing it. Everything you do effects your lines, handling, yadda yadda yadda, so you might not be drawing the same lines as Driver A.
All in all, nothing beats seat time!
wootwoot
09-02-2005, 11:24 PM
OK HERE IS A COMPROMISE
Go to the local go kart track and play around and then go inside to the arcade and play on video games
MakotoS13
09-02-2005, 11:37 PM
i like how nobody mentions my point because its right on the money. astronauts, pilots, police officers, race car drivers all have some things in common: they use simulations as a training tool.
if its good enough for a guy goin mach 1 in a 50 million dollar aircraft its good enough for your piece of crap nissan.
Phlip
09-03-2005, 12:04 AM
I did something similar to this, back in 1995:
... except, substitute "video games" with "porno" and substitute "drifting" with "my virginity."
I learned very quickly that walking up to women in the mall, whipping out my Richard while grinning sheepishly and saying "why don't we go back to my place" was a little extreme and was not the way to get her to go through with it. I learned what the proper approach was to getting her home and in the bed and damn, whaddya know, the porn helped out anyway, I was ballsy enough to try shit that I probably wouldn't have if it weren't for "skank-o-rama pt. 4" and she goes and tells all her friends about me, then I wind up smutting with them too.
wootwoot
09-03-2005, 11:04 AM
i like how nobody mentions my point because its right on the money. astronauts, pilots, police officers, race car drivers all have some things in common: they use simulations as a training tool.
if its good enough for a guy goin mach 1 in a 50 million dollar aircraft its good enough for your piece of crap nissan.
In which case we just have to get an actual driving simulator because I cant think of one
I did something similar to this, back in 1995:
... except, substitute "video games" with "porno" and substitute "drifting" with "my virginity."
I learned very quickly that walking up to women in the mall, whipping out my Richard while grinning sheepishly and saying "why don't we go back to my place" was a little extreme and was not the way to get her to go through with it. I learned what the proper approach was to getting her home and in the bed and damn, whaddya know, the porn helped out anyway, I was ballsy enough to try shit that I probably wouldn't have if it weren't for "skank-o-rama pt. 4" and she goes and tells all her friends about me, then I wind up smutting with them too.
Now imagine that 10 out of 10 girls you approached by whipping out your Richard went home with you. Would you not testify that watching pornos could help you learn how to pick up chicks?
420sx
09-03-2005, 01:50 PM
theres no real substitute for real driving. its still a video game. untill they come out to simulators close to Military Flight simulation trainers, you will still be mostly S.o.L
Phlip
09-03-2005, 03:25 PM
Now imagine that 10 out of 10 girls you approached by whipping out your Richard went home with you. Would you not testify that watching pornos could help you learn how to pick up chicks?
OF COURSE I would, provided that I hadn't contracted VD from it and died sometime within the last 10 years.
Another analogy....has been shat upon.
420sx
09-03-2005, 04:44 PM
i think those were some very impressive analogies. the porno one is perfect in every way. theres no substitution for real hands-on so to speak training
maverick27
09-04-2005, 01:45 PM
Think about dancing. You watch music videos and their dance choreography. "Man, thats soo cool! I want to learn how to dance like BackstreetBoys!" So you got and play DDR or any other dance game, and watch stupid Darren's Dance Grooves, Britney's Douche Dance, and that cool JDM DRIFT movie. Watch, repeat, try to apply it. In no time flat, you'll be a raging homo, and tearing it up on the dance floor!
Sorry for posting up the story of your life Dan. Its a really good analogy!!
sr240mike
09-04-2005, 04:24 PM
The most real driving game I've ever played would have to be Ferrari Challenge at Dave n busters. Its sooo hard that most people I watch give up after a lap, or run out of time.
DaPCWiz
09-06-2005, 07:39 AM
this old school game viper racing had a clutch. U could use it to shift or set "auto-clutch". I used to turn off the autoclutch and had fun with it :)
Phlip
09-06-2005, 07:41 AM
There was also that OLD arcade game Hard Drivin' (or some shit like that) that had the 3-pedal option... I remember trying to play it like that when I was little, before I learned to drive, and never actually getting the car to move... They still have that game in the arcade at one of the theaters here.
I remember that game. The had the reset button to get yourself back on the road. It was the first game i remember playing that had a force feedback steering wheel.
Omarius Maximus
09-06-2005, 01:03 PM
Hahahahaha this thread is too funny.
I think video games are indeed useful for cultivating one's skills.
Think of it this way. Before you go autocrossing, or drag racing or drifting or whatever, you play out the entire thing in your head, and predetermine the moves you will make when it's finally your turn to race.
Videogames are the same, they help to get you familiarized with what you will soon be doing with your car.
The only weakness is that you have no fear in a videogame, but that can be delt with by being conservative with entry speeds.
If you really want to learn about car dynamics and restraint as far as being a driver, then I suggest Richard Burns Rally. You will not complete a stage (of the rally, not the game) if you go 100%, the best I can do to finish without crashing is to go at about 75% which is ideal for the real world.
also try GT4 with all the computer enhanced garbage off. No traction control, or stability control or abs. Drifting is fun and realistic when all that stuff is off. Its not easy though.
smellslikecurry
09-06-2005, 01:09 PM
my friend learned how to drift in gt3...2 weeks later he wrapped his car around a mountain.
Omarius Maximus
09-06-2005, 01:13 PM
Hahaha, thats why they no longer call the Gran Turismo series "the real driving simulator"
infinitexsound
09-06-2005, 03:38 PM
driftin is easy in mario kart............ best game EVvaAAR.......
mellojoe
09-06-2005, 10:56 PM
+1 for Mario Cart :eek3d:
Phlip
09-06-2005, 11:03 PM
Hahaha, thats why they no longer call the Gran Turismo series "the real driving simulator"
um... yes they do:
http://art.half.ebay.com/prod/4521425.jpeg
FaLKoN240
09-06-2005, 11:43 PM
This thread is dumb.
I agree with Var, especially because I've seen him drive, NUMEROUS times. Video games are good for basic driving principles, but should not be used as a replacement for real seat time.
Also, how come xagna gets to make up stupid newbie threads, and no one flames the shit out of him?
See:
What kind of sways should i use?
How do I make my suspension better?
end :rant2:
Now will someone please lock this shit?
!Zar!
09-07-2005, 12:07 AM
+1 ^^^^^^^
MakotoS13
09-07-2005, 08:17 AM
What kind of sways should i use?
How do I make my suspension better?
end :rant2:
Now will someone please lock this shit?
i believe i layed on a nice coat of ridiculously thick sarcasm and told him the exact opposite way to make his car handle better.
killjoy
09-07-2005, 08:51 AM
The most real driving game I've ever played would have to be Ferrari Challenge at Dave n busters. Its sooo hard that most people I watch give up after a lap, or run out of time.
Dude you are so right! That ferarri game is hard but really fun.
BTW, can you post the link to that page that has your avatar girl? I lost it in my favorites.
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