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MadScientist

08-21-2005, 03:46 PM

AkademikONE - A CF center a/c vent gauge holder!
Not bad, I know people are looking for these.

Agamemnon - almost on the same level as above.

ThatGuy - B-pillar (180sx/S13)... very good idea, and easy to make.
Rear View Mirror Covers are already made.. check website.
KA parts - Fuse box? etc?

chmercer - the Bee*R is flat and doesn't catch on with alot of people so If this were to be done it would be a variation of the stock.

Mike @ Kognition is playing with alot of ideas I dont want to disclose yet but all parts so far have been excelent. Mike also mentioned doing IC piping as a covering only... Customer would have to send the piping in.

I know alot of people think Carbon Fiber as Black, but a new Silver Carbon has been release. Should be a highly sought after option for people with lighter colored cars and engine parts.

What about some of these:
Door Sills?
Center Console Lid?
Full A-Pillar?
Heat Shield?

Keep it comming....

Peace
Drew

atom

08-21-2005, 03:59 PM

LHD version of the Border Racing gauge pod would be #1 on my list. Or maybe a CF bezel to replace the oem gauge cluster with a set of aftermarket gauges.

ThatGuy

08-21-2005, 03:59 PM

ThatGuy - B-pillar (180sx/S13)... very good idea, and easy to make.
Rear View Mirror Covers are already made.. check website.
KA parts - Fuse box? etc?

Hahaha, knew I had seen the mirror covers somewhere.
http://www.raretrick.com/store/images/products/7585_detail.jpg
Fuse boxes could work, as well as resevoir covers. Anybody else got some KA/Carbon ideas?

420sx

08-21-2005, 04:03 PM

yea the gauge holder would be kinda neat. as long as the price is right

driftstyre

08-21-2005, 04:25 PM

fiberglass doors and hatch. I know someone makes carbon ones, does anyone make fiberglass ones though.

m0rex

08-21-2005, 04:45 PM

Mmmm fuse box i can imagine that.

eyustfu

08-21-2005, 04:48 PM

a carbon fiber sunroof cap for those who wants to remove the sunroof

S14DB

08-21-2005, 04:53 PM

chmercer

08-21-2005, 04:56 PM

im interested in any kind of interior door replacment thing, just thought that if it was flat it would keep costs down. *shrug*. keep me updated!

MadScientist

08-21-2005, 05:19 PM

Gauge mounts seem to be a big deal, however the problem is obvious... Size, Location, and Design... so far you have mentioned Border, Dash Mount, and AC Mount... all very different. I have consided the A Pillar mount but its rather played and most places dont design it well... The S15 is designed to not obstruct the view... so that would be the ideal way.

atom - The Gauge Cluster can be modified with a flat panel cut to the trim of the stock the bonded in place. If I think about making something like gauges to long, it build into a full custom dash.

driftstyre - Doors... I knew that was going to come up. Doors cost alot more because they have more structural and mechanical components than a hood or trunk lid... they also take alot of time to make and prep.

ThatGuy - Resivor Covers or Lids? All Engine Bay parts will be made of 500+ degree epoxy for safty.

eyustfu - ouch... Think that would cost more than its worth and you wouldn't gain sturctural rigidity eather... keep the visor closed.

S14DB - Yeah but also consider the cost would be higher... the reason for it being a cover is to keep the cost down. I understand if you dont have black mirrors how it seems to look odd but its really not bad. I'll see if I can get some pics of the Silver Carbon for you guys also.

Center Console Lid Cover... :wiggle:
http://www.raretrick.com/store/images/products/7594_detail.jpg

Peace
Drew

HyperTek

08-21-2005, 05:28 PM

how bout some functional cf parts to be used for thier light weight as replacements for stock parts?... door panals, dashboard, headlight lids (s13) etc..

A nice piece would be a cup holder to replace the s13 ash tray.. *hint hin winner idea here* hehe

eyustfu

08-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Could Kognition make a FULL wrap around side mirror covers. Even if it's taking off the whole cover and molding it?

Garage Defend GT Cooling Panel knock-off would be nice. All the other panels are just a cut sheet not wrapped like the GD. The GD is too expensive for my taste.
they already make the garage defend replica cooling panels

MadScientist: Well the whole sunroof assembly is pretty heavy. There are people who removed the sunroof etc due to the weight.

ThatGuy

08-21-2005, 05:31 PM

Just resevoir lids would be enough, and would look good when combined with Fuse box covers. That center console looks really nice.

For all the people looking for door panels, could you settle for handle replacements, and door lock trim? Those are the only two pieces that come out of the door. I personally think they could look pretty cool replaced with Carbon Fiber counterparts.

Also, after looking at that center console cover. I wonder if a cup holder or two could be incorporated into it?

eyustfu

08-21-2005, 05:36 PM

or how about a S14 60mm gauge pod for the steering column shroud. similar to this: http://www.sp-power.com/images/mediaphotos/MEGAMORPH%200802/0208tur_mega11.jpg

One guy made a few and listed it on ebay but i heard it was very poor in quality.

BobbyBoy

08-21-2005, 05:40 PM

interior door panels, OEM style
S13.5 Raditor cooling panels
complete dash would be awesome

More functional weight reduction type parts

drift freaq

08-21-2005, 05:44 PM

RB 25 coil packs cover, also RB26

MadScientist

08-21-2005, 05:59 PM

HyperTek - Dash and Door Panels are being discussed however the cost is not going to be super low but will be very reasonable... just like a door the dash has alot of mounting a structural points. Molding a dash and door panels takes alot of skill.

Cup Holder... I have an S14 and just used the hole in front of the Lid... Adding a Cup holder to the Console Lid would be risky... think about it... thats where your elbow sits. Funny how the S15 has 2 Cup holders and the S13 and S14 get none!

eyustfu - It would be far cheeper to weld a patch... seriously a Carbon Sunroof cover would be Bank... consider the trim work. The mold alone would be 4 parts at least.

ThatGuy - Like I said, door panels are being considered. The Handle trim and the button trim would be seconday parts to the door panel. May offer as Optional parts. The door AC vent would be left for stock (due to vents) so a Carbon Dash Kit can be used.

steering column shroud gauge... seems like good use of a void area... i'll look into it.

Consider the Cost and if you would actually pay for it... ex: $700 for a Carbon Dash? ?

Peace
Drew

S14DB

08-21-2005, 06:20 PM

S14 fuse box cover would be cool.

Garage Defend GT Cooling Panel knock-off???

S_14.5

08-21-2005, 07:07 PM

bolt on front and rear (under) air diffusers...I want to replace the aluminum ones I made w/ carbon so that it won't absorb too much heat.

gmckey

08-21-2005, 07:18 PM

eyustfu - It would be far cheeper to weld a patch... seriously a Carbon Sunroof cover would be Bank... consider the trim work. The mold alone would be 4 parts at least.

steering column shroud gauge... seems like good use of a void area... i'll look into it.

Carbon sunroof plug would be great though, not a full replacement, just something that could be fastened in place of the stock sunroof assembly.

and the column shroud gauge is exactly what I've been looking for for a while now, CF would be really cool.

Jeff240sx

08-21-2005, 07:50 PM

Power steering resivoir. The s14s looks stupid, the s13s rust, and every topmount turbo setup sends enough heat to make me think the plastic is going to melt.
-Jeff

BSPerformance

08-21-2005, 07:51 PM

I have a centercounsle lid on mine and love the way it looks and would liek to get come more CF upfront
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/718000-718999/718525_15_full.jpg

I would like to get a glove box and 3 gauge pod cluster like the ones Agamemnon posted up, but it all depends on price

axiomatik

08-21-2005, 08:10 PM

I'm going to bring up the center console trim as well. I know you can get CF applique kits, but all applique kits look like crap. A properly molded *replacement* for the trim would be really nice.

BRB240

08-21-2005, 08:21 PM

I would really like to see a cf sunroof plug as well. Getting rid of even just a few pounds off of a structural point high on the chassis can create a surprisingly positive change in the cars roll motion (less body roll) when cornering. I would see no problem spending around $300 to get one. All it has to do is replace the glass and not leak, it doesn't need to pop-up nor do anything fancy.

Siizzzoooo

08-21-2005, 08:30 PM

Ganador style mirrors!

those bastards are so hard to find

:)

anthony240

08-21-2005, 08:40 PM

+1 for sunroof block off piece. all it will be is a 34 1/8" x 14 3/8" piece of cf, with some curve, and with 90 degree overhang so it can rivet on the overhang of the hole, not on top of the roof.

BSPerformance

08-21-2005, 08:51 PM

+2 for sunroof pice! I forgot all about wanting that

maverick27

08-21-2005, 08:58 PM

CF Dash! It'll b baller status. Although, im sure someone already makes one. COPY it!

justinhustle

08-21-2005, 09:03 PM

i have cf exterior b pillars :)

the cf garage defend style piece is made by renova

id offer ideas, but i dont have any sorry lol

chmercer

08-21-2005, 10:04 PM

oh hey i thought of somthing else.

could you please make some big canards? preferably voltex copy? i cant find any big enough to add any real downforce, and the real voltex ones are far too expensive.

also if you could make a cheap front undertray that would be cool, but they already make a few of thoes.

finally, if there was some way to make a rear diffuser that would be cool, but it would probably cost a ton, but just thought id throw out out there.

canard pics (pleae make these!! :D)
http://www.voltex.ne.jp/japanese/nproduct/npro_img/l.jpg
http://www.voltex.ne.jp/japanese/big_window/big_img/10.jpg
http://www.voltex.ne.jp/japanese/big_window/big_img/11.jpg

evrae205b

08-21-2005, 10:11 PM

shifter and radio trim also the trim around the ac vents and climate controls.

sbc

08-21-2005, 10:27 PM

Carbon fiber roof. Seriously.

kandyflip445

08-21-2005, 10:37 PM

KA valve cover? I'd buy one for 300-350.

The cup holder for the ashtray I would buy right now. My ashtray lid broke. :wtc:

lv-180sx

08-22-2005, 03:16 AM

i would like to see a CF second DIN cover for people who have aftermarket CD decks and that "empty space" on the bottom. would be convenient if it had 1 gauge whole and a square cutout for a turbo timer, or SAFC harness to go through....

kinda like this but with 1 gauge whole..

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9655/273280int5gp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

willing to pay like $100

MadScientist

08-22-2005, 09:35 AM

lv-180sx - That is just a Flat Panel mounted in place. Its best to offer that way so customer can cut-out whatever they want.

kandyflip445 - Carbon Fiber Valve Covers are awsome and rare as hell. They are hard to make and take major skill. The Part has to be vacuum molded then aluminum added as a secontary bond for mounting. The problem with most is that the epoxy doesn't fully bond to the aluminum so when your installing the shims will break free... very tricky part.

sbc - without doing a full carbon body you have the same problem as above... Cost would be crazy not only for the part, but to install!

evrae205b - Shifter and Radio Trim are possable... The AC is not. The vents break so easy and to remove and install on a full carbon piece that has no flex would make near impossable. In the end would cost more than people would be willing to spend. The AC Gauge pod would be more reasonable.

chmercer - looks simple enough as long as its left as a universal unit so customer can trim to fit. I only know of one company in Japan that make a true Rear Diffuser for the S13 and S15 (similar to the Top Secret).

gmckey, anthony240, BSPerformance - I'll look into it further to see how plausable it is.

Siizzzoooo - all you had to do is ask... I can get anything out of Japan not just what is listed on the website.

Jeff240sx - I think Border has an aluminum one that relocates and Billion just release one also... relocating is your best option and a Heat Shield which willbe in the mix soon hopefully.

You guys should know by now that I don't do Knock-offs... its not an option.

Peace
Drew

tastyratz

08-22-2005, 09:44 AM

my vote goes towards the sunroof too. I dont have one but that would def. generate sales. I would like to see someone produce some carbon fiber overlayed mandrel bent intercooler piping personally. This would be nice looking AND functional as well as a heat barrier. That would be a universal application and not just 240s. Im going to have to vote for underbody diffusers as well in carbon fiber. Dash would def. be cool but I dont think I could spend that kind of money on one. Cupholder would DEFINITELY sell and be a major plus for the s13 made to fit in the spot of the ash tray. That wouldnt have to be cf as it would also be wrecked easily... Maybe make that out of fiberglass instead. I can see the glovebox selling and being a good idea... What about reinforcement bars? I.E. Good strong carbon fiber stbs and c pillar braces? Door sill guards are a good idea and depending on price are a possible thing I would purchase. Maybe make some DIY cheap cf parts for people who want to use it to make something like CF tubes, etc. Maybe a center garnish cover for the s13 fastbacks stock tails (kinda like the rps13 one for kouki tails) if you made the b pillar replacements it would be something to spark my interest as well. just tossing out thoughts...

cr00k_lyn

08-22-2005, 10:04 AM

Carbon fiber roof. Seriously.

agreed..................

for a RPS13, would be nice if my black roof was cf'ed out.

Zen S14

08-22-2005, 10:06 AM

Hey you guys carried a full S14 interior door panel replacement in carbon before. Its no longer listed. I think it was 900 for the pair. I would be interested in that and a full carbon dash.

Another part I am interested in is a carbon panel shelf for rear seat delete. I don't like the big hole to the trunk and also the funny shaped area under the rear seats showing when I remove the seats. A good carbon shelf with some hard foam to reshape the rear into a shelf for putting lightweight stuff would be cool.

A full carbon headliner would be interesing as well.

JVD

08-22-2005, 10:32 AM

Definitely most interested in a dash mount gauge pod.

JVD.

drift freaq

08-22-2005, 10:41 AM

yo, madscientist, are you ignoring my suggestion, or just hating cause you think I don't like JDM stuff?
RB25 and RB26 coil pack covers!!!

MadScientist

08-22-2005, 10:45 AM

Zen S14 - FRP Limited went out of Biz. Interior Door Panels are being highly considered. Headliner was mentioned bit think shipping would kill the cost... about the same as a hood. Rear Seat aera was mentioned also... someone made this in Japan but I dont have any info on the comapny... It was in one of the Option Mags.

tastyratz - If you want your IC piping done in Carbon let me know... It will needed to be sent to Mike to be covered. Support Bars like C-pillar and a Harness Bar would great... probably be stronger as an Aluminum/ Carbon covered bar. That is possable.

Peace
Drew

chuy

08-22-2005, 12:11 PM

Ill be in for the sunroof and a new ring peice for the radio it might just be better for a flat peice so that the customers can just cut it up for what we need.

MadScientist

08-22-2005, 12:41 PM

yo, madscientist, are you ignoring my suggestion, or just hating cause you think I don't like JDM stuff?
RB25 and RB26 coil pack covers!!!

hahaha... No, Just need to get ahold of an RB for testing parts... and BTW if you have an RB you have a huge chunk of JDM. :hsdance:
Mike has a real deal JDM S14 he is using for parts now.
S14 SR plug cover in the works now...

Peace
Drew

trsilvias13

08-22-2005, 01:12 PM

+1 for the steering column gauge pod holder.

my suggestion would be a rear lip for the usdm s14 bumper.. no one makes one. only valences. i want a full lip across. just one piece to match my kouki s14 side skirts. make cf roof spoiler too. copy whoever makes it and make it cheaper.

dasalnt

08-22-2005, 01:43 PM

carbon fiber steering column gauge holder. I bought the one off ebay and it's absolutely horrible, there's no way to mount it.

scir16v

08-23-2005, 12:54 AM

how about a usdm s14 kouki front lip. Just like the stock one, but carbon. An s13 zenki style front lip to fit the chuki.

trevor

08-23-2005, 01:57 AM

complete cf dash for s13 and how about a s13 coup trunk

rrobe99999

08-23-2005, 08:28 AM

For my S14, I would pay 700 for a custom CF dash. It should have 3 gauge holders over the AC vents built in (52mm that can be bored to 60mm). Buyer would have to cut hole for airbag or pay extra for this service. Or else a 3 gauge holder that could be mounted to a stock dash over the AC vents.

The radio trim should not have any cutouts, but could come pre-socred or marked to help locate the stock DIN cutouts.

The steering column gauge holder would be great, but a custom part would be even better. I have a Momo wheel, and don't like the way the steering column is now bigger than the boss. I would love a custom, upper and lower "slim" column cover kit with integrated gauge holder(s).

A 2 pod cluster bezel replacement would be good.

I want to get rid of my A pillar pods but have not yet found an OEM looking option for my LHD S14. BTW a European company sells the CF A pillars with pods for LHD cars.

HaLo

08-23-2005, 08:35 AM

A real carbon fiber hood and popup covers! not a FG hood with a layer of CF... ;)

MadScientist

08-23-2005, 09:27 AM

Steering Colomn Gauge - I smore than likey going to be a unit to hold a Turbo Timer or a small Half Din unit... this way the Cluster view is not obstructed... this would also be a full upper and lower unit to ensure fitment.

S14 (USDM) Front Lip - I believe this may be in the works already as well. Hopefully try to design it to work with both Kouki and Zenki.

Hoods and Trunk - This is alreay being designed... I can't talk about it but its not going to be like anything you have seen yet.

Full Carbon Dash - I think its one of things peple drool over when they see but only a very few people would actually pay out for one... highly considering this... we'll see.

A-Pillar - Personally I dunno to do it with or witout the gauge pods because it caters to the person who wants a set number of gauges or not. I would prefer to keep this as stock.

Peace
Drew

chuy

08-23-2005, 11:27 AM

Do the damn sunroof plug so that it just replaces the glass!

kandyflip445

08-23-2005, 01:22 PM

Most people wouldn't consider it because they don't have the money. But most people in s13's have cracked dashes. lol There could be a market for them.

rrobe99999

08-23-2005, 01:30 PM

Steering Colomn Gauge - I smore than likey going to be a unit to hold a Turbo Timer or a small Half Din unit... this way the Cluster view is not obstructed... this would also be a full upper and lower unit to ensure fitment.

I really don't see much point to that. 1/2 Dins like turbo timers and EFDCs mount on top of the column very nicely with just double sticky tape. No special holder needed. Also, those aren't devices that need to be in direct veiw of the driver. But it would be pretty slick. Whatever is decided, I look forward to some new choices. There are lots of JDM LHD interior parts that need to be made for our RHD cars.

trsilvias13

08-23-2005, 02:18 PM

how about a rear lip?

Zen S14

08-23-2005, 02:38 PM

Consider the Cost and if you would actually pay for it... ex: $700 for a Carbon Dash? ?

I'd pay that for a real carbon dash that fits all the stock items.

DoriftoSlut

08-23-2005, 04:00 PM

I wanna see FLCA's and RUCAs and RLCAs, shit... ALL the suspension bits in CF (Like an F1 car)!

WideS13

08-23-2005, 10:23 PM

JVD

08-23-2005, 10:30 PM

how about a rear lip?
Yes! Ones like the GP sports rear lips would be awesome.

JVD.

Sky240PWR

08-24-2005, 03:07 AM

I'd like to see the dash mounted gauge cluster. The entire dash would be a really bad idea, unless you had some way to make it low gloss. If your entire dsah was nice shinny CF it would glare off of the windsheild and you wouldn't be able to see jack shit.If you did do a cf dash, I've been looking around to see who makes them, but no luck!......and as far as the glare, just paint the very top of the dash to go with your interior and the glare won't be as bad!

SochBAT

08-24-2005, 03:17 AM

CF steeringwheel!!! CF radio bezel? Center console? or, CF buckles for a DIY harness!

kandyflip445

08-24-2005, 04:18 AM

I wanna see FLCA's and RUCAs and RLCAs, shit... ALL the suspension bits in CF (Like an F1 car)!

Those things are insane. They use carbon for what would be the metal tube part with a cable in the middle connecting the mounting hardware in the event of a crash so they don't fly everywhere. Definately cool stuff.

turtl631

08-24-2005, 02:33 PM

I think some gauge mounting solutions would be good. The single guage steering column thing would be great. It should only block a little bit of the tach and speedo if its made right, which is no big deal. The 3 gauge pod for the dash would be nice as well, especially if it was angled well and had good fitment. Lots of people don't like A pillar gauge pods, and all of the AC vent or DIN mount units require you to look pretty far down, which isnt the safest or most convenient thing.

mmdb

08-24-2005, 05:58 PM

CF drive shaft, cf suspension parts, cf doors, cf hoods (not the chepa overlay), cf trunk lid... dunno what else.

CKAMC

08-24-2005, 06:53 PM

I myself would be glad to get CF interior parts.

most the peices of trim I have *especially from the radio area to the arm rest* looks like shit and CF would make a nice clean look to it all.

other than that maybe CF door panel and just pop in whatever interior carpet color you want for the rest.

Rear cover for us hatchie people would look nice compared to what is give thru factory.

btw s13 since most are DIRTY like mine.

contact me I have some questions for you MadScientist. *look at signature*

Yuri

08-24-2005, 06:59 PM

I'm interested in the possibilities of the silver c/f. Any chance of getting colored thread mixed into it (like pink c/f) :D

I totally agree with the ashtray cupholder.

How about:

c/f gas door $50-75?

c/f hatchback rear parcel shelf (the stock ones always bend with age and the carpeting looks nasty) $100-150?

c/f brake cooling guides for the front brakes like those that are optional on the Evo VIII $100?

c/f trim panels to cover the taillight area and prevent glare when you gut the trunk. $?

c/f zenki lip in silver $200?

And finally, would it be possible to do the jdm bumper support in c/f? I mean something that would give a little bit more rigidity to the front than running nothing at all (and hitting cones). or maybe it's just a stupid idea.....

chmercer

08-24-2005, 08:40 PM

making suspension parts from cf would be either ghetto and dangerous, or insanley expensive. im pretty sure lindsay was joking.

a solid cf hood would cost like a million dollars. i dont see why everyone is so against fiberglass. go pick up a piece of carbon fiber, and a piece of fiberglass. woah, they both weigh like nothing.

on the aftermarket dash situation, i personally would be interested in a simple, flat, rectangular dash shell. like a corolla dash or somthing. somthing easy to make. fiberglass or carbon fiber dosent matter. id glue black suede to it.

DoriftoSlut

08-24-2005, 09:26 PM

Main benefit of CF is strength vs. weight. CF hood and FRP hood... just about the same weight, and its not something that needs to be strong. (well not any stronger than what FRP offers).

Aero is FRP causr the cost of a CF bumper is outrageous! But at the speeds and obstacles (like rocks and mountain walls) CF will explode just like FRP. Useless bling is what CF is, unless your car's monocoque and panlling has been designed and stress tested/designed WITH CF so it can be useful. THe amount of CF used to equal the strength of steel makes it beneficial cause it weighs a lot less. FOr instance a Ferrari Enzo made from steel would be ungodly heavy.

As far as hoods, doors, trunks, hatches, etc etc are concerned... give me FRP! I'll take the fat wallet over CF bling anyday!

As for interior bits? Meh... any of you guys seen stock peices from the dealer brand new or used but excellent condition? LOOKS AWESOME. Just repaint or buy new. CF looks tacky as hell in most cases.

My plan to have the only CF peice on my car is for the SAFC/Radio/Toggle switches in the DIN and Climate control area. Just a flat peice riveted or epoxied in place with all the holes drilled/cut out for my stuff!

kandyflip445

08-25-2005, 01:59 AM

a solid cf hood would cost like a million dollars. i dont see why everyone is so against fiberglass. go pick up a piece of carbon fiber, and a piece of fiberglass. woah, they both weigh like nothing.

WURZ carbon fiber hoods used to be sold on Intense Motorsports website. They went for 1200 or something like that. They were full carbon with a steel latch frame so you didn't have to use hood pins (from a thread off of zilvia:http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=22693).

http://www.dragva.com/eng/aero/#wurz

This has the picture of the Wurz hood as well as a lot of others.

Sky240PWR

08-25-2005, 02:22 AM

suhster85

08-25-2005, 03:03 AM

Main benefit of CF is strength vs. weight. CF hood and FRP hood... just about the same weight, and its not something that needs to be strong. (well not any stronger than what FRP offers).

This is not really all that true. Although FRP is lighter than stock, it is not lighter than a quality CF hood. I deal with these hoods everyday and a quality CF hood is definitely noticeably lighter.

MadScientist

08-25-2005, 09:45 AM

Carbon Fiber 101

Carbon Fiber is 10 times stronger than steel by weight.
(100lbs steel = 10lbs carbon)
FiberGlass is 3 times stronger than steel by weight.
(100lbs. steel = 33.3lbs fiberglass)

Fiberglass doesn't have tensile strength that is why most Fiberglass/Carbon hoods sag when proped up. A Solid Carbon Hood would not cost an insain amount, but its not going to be like a VIS for $300 eather.

Most all Carbon Hoods made in Japan are solid... Yashio, C-West, Hippo Sleek, etc... Much higher quality than the US crap offered! VIS has blatenly said before "we make affordable parts, not quality parts"... and now this is what the US market expects to pay regardless of quality.

FiberGlass will discolor in the sun and under heat... it will also warp.
UV gell coat will help for a bit, but will eventually haze over.
Poly resin will also discolor in the sun and under heat.
Epoxy resin is the strongest, doesn't discolor, has UV inhibitors, and is offered in 500+ temp... it also cost alot more, so dont be fooled.

Carbon Fiber has a bonding proberty that is infused in it during production so that it bonds to the type of resin being used... Carbon will not bond to Fiberglass even under the same resin matrix... under impact the Carbon will delaminate from Fiberglass.... not saying this will happen to your VIS hood, because a single layer of carbon is bairly enough to be effective over that size.

Carbon Fiber Suspension parts for F1 and the like cost way more than your car and would easily cause your parents to take out a second morgage. Look at the cost of a single Carbon Fiber Rotor or Clutch... that would be equal processing and cost. Carbon processed in this manner is know to explode when it fail or becomes weak, because of the load.

This is just the start... it gets really crazy, really fast.

Carbon Fiber is not cheep and the time it takes to process a part is added to the cost.

We have some ideas on parts now... watch the Kognition section on the website.

Peace
Drew

anthony240

08-25-2005, 01:45 PM

front and rear diffusers!
http://www.raretrick.com/store/images/products/7082_detail.jpg
front is easy, just a curved, flat piece of cf, with or without the ends, since front bumpers are different but most have a flat lip.
http://www.aeroparts.co.jp/msports/parts/diffuser.jpg

rear diffuser is harder to make, since rear bumpers are drastically different depending on who makes it.
so maybe a universal type?

EDIT: can we get mirrors like the ones on the s14 above? I know they're ganadors and you'll be making knockoffs, but they're JDM, made for RHD, so the angles will be way off, and then add that it's tiny. So, you won't be making a knockoff, simply a LHD version :D

TheTimanator

08-25-2005, 07:09 PM

the sunroof plug has been done before for other vehicles at a reasonable price
http://macqc.com/raceplates/newProducts.htm
I swear I've seen one for the 240 but I can't seem to find it now.

PS...Carbon fiber fuse box lids for S13!! mine are all busted.

!Zar!

08-25-2005, 07:31 PM

A CF silvia/240 headlight support and r33 style grill maby?

aa87

08-25-2005, 09:17 PM

zenki s13 lip, i might be down for a glovebox, or maybe do some kind of shell that goes over the glovebox and glues in, i already ripped the tweed offa mine.

chmercer

08-25-2005, 10:10 PM

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=131278&page=1

some carbon fiber pics in there. might be useful. or somthing. i dunno

SW20Racer

08-25-2005, 10:37 PM

any chance you'd be willing to make parts for other cars besides the 240? If so, and u need a car to practice on, i would do my damndest to get my car to you.

blackflag_Rms13

08-25-2005, 11:01 PM

As well as someones cross-linking, I looooove these gauge mounts...... http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=130552

someguy_240

08-26-2005, 12:32 AM

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=131278

this car has a lot of carbon fiber parts... um check it out?

BobbyBoy

08-26-2005, 12:40 AM

After seeing that I'd definetely take a cf dash and door panels for whatever price they are worth , not some marked up astronomical figure. $700 for a dash seems fair.

SochBAT

08-26-2005, 01:02 AM

CARBON FIBER VALVE COVER!!!! S13 SOHC covers for me! I think it'd be awesome to flaunt.

Anyone know how much temp CF can take compared to aluminum? or whatever material our covers are made of?

NZO

08-26-2005, 08:34 AM

M5 style lip spoiler. Probably not going to be too expensive and its something people are likely to buy.

kandyflip445

08-26-2005, 03:16 PM

kognition

09-26-2005, 12:13 AM

We just finished a mold for the center console meter panel. This pic shows a single layer panel, but the production pieces coming out next week are sandwiched with alluminum honeycomb and carbon on both sides. Total thickness is 10 mm. and like a plate of armor. As you can see in the pic, it can easily handle up to six aftermarket meters.
http://www.kognitiondesign.com/Kognition Design S14 meter panel test sample.jpg

The center console piece. Where the shifter trim, radio, and climate control bezel is.

Also, maybe the door panel inserts, and glove box. . .Haha.

That's the ricer stuff I can think of.

tiggs

09-26-2005, 06:51 AM

Umm, is that gonna be RHD only? And umm.. Can you do that for the s13? I really need a new console piece and CF would be perfect for my carpc setup.. Would it come like, blank, no cutouts, so I could make whatever cuts I needed?

bing

09-26-2005, 07:44 AM

awesome thread...

i'd LOVE to see a good rear under diffuser, kinda like the NSX ones. assume people are using OEM aero (silvia 2 piece rear, type X 3 piece rears or USDM 1 piece hatch rear) and not big guady kits.

very subtle BMW wing would be nice, but i'll be making a CF one soon enough.

a buddy of mine has a crazy FC carbon gauge holder than contours the curves on the dash above the gauge cluster. make something like that for the right side of the gauge cluster (to avoid conflict with HUD dashes).

CF coupe roof wing?

CF front license plate bracket that lets the plate flip up when driving more than 30 mph

CF rivet on over-fenders, but you'll be racing me to get them done....lol

here is a GREAT ONE - CF heatsheild for SR20DET bottom mount manifold. i need one of these now. how does CF stand up to red hot manifold temps?

CF brake MC brace for LHD cars

CF engine-bay cowls for everything

CF IC piping is a GREAT idea. you could pre-fab the hot-pipe with various flanges and the cold pipe into through the battery tray. these are pieces that everyone will have and they are the only ones people will see on most cars.

CF battery box?

CF rivet-on vented hood scoops like the one in the group buy section

CF shroud to go over the rad to the valve cover, acts like clutch fan shroud?

CF pipe for turbo to air filter?

Cf oil catch can

CF fog light brackets w/ vents in place of the grilles on USDM cars and DTRL's on CDM cars.

CF brake sheilds that mount to the TC rods like the aluminum ones from SPL

k, i'm out of ideas

DTS

09-26-2005, 08:44 AM

bing is the worlds biggest ricer

G Corp makes a carbon fiber dash but its RHD only

kognition

09-26-2005, 09:35 AM

Our car is rhd yes, but that part that you see is the same for usdm. And yes, we
are doing the S13 panel this month. Our car is being prepped for nasa's SRX class for the 2006 season, so we needed a reliable platform to mount the instrumentation. The honeycomb core is sandwiched in a vacuum process and they WILL come blank so you can cut them.

A sandwich core allows multiple holes to be cut without sacrificing strength of the panel. I will post more pics this week with the actual alluminum honeycomb core so you can see it.

On the issue of other parts, we are releasing carbon fiber /alluminum honeycomb core hoods (S14 Zenki and Kouki) and trunks next month. And also our version of the R33 GT rear spoiler. We will be displaying our new parts in our booth at D1 in December.

Umm, is that gonna be RHD only? And umm.. Can you do that for the s13? I really need a new console piece and CF would be perfect for my carpc setup.. Would it come like, blank, no cutouts, so I could make whatever cuts I needed?

bing

09-26-2005, 04:41 PM

bing is the worlds biggest ricer

G Corp makes a carbon fiber dash but its RHD only

fukk, i cant get rid of the fan-club no matter where i go.

scotty (DTS) is a poo-face...

oh i am ruining the thread.

anyways..

horray for CF

chmercer

09-26-2005, 05:21 PM

awesome thread...

very subtle BMW wing would be nice, but i'll be making a CF one soon enough.

carbon gauge holder than contours the curves on the dash

CF coupe roof wing

CF front license plate bracket that lets the plate flip up when driving more than 30 mph

CF heatsheild for SR20DET bottom mount manifold

CF brake MC brace for LHD cars

CF engine-bay cowls for everything

CF IC piping is a GREAT idea. you could pre-fab the hot-pipe with various flanges and the cold pipe into through the battery tray. these are pieces that everyone will have and they are the only ones people will see on most cars.

CF battery box?

CF shroud to go over the rad to the valve cover, acts like clutch fan shroud?

CF fog light brackets w/ vents in place of the grilles on USDM cars and DTRL's on CDM cars.

^^^
these are all stupid. lol.

also - on the arm rests on the webpage, could you mould a tab in on the back so that you could screw the door hinge into it? imho its totally stupid to just cover up a stock part with cf, at least make it a full replacment.

kouki-gymkhana

09-26-2005, 06:46 PM

I'm dying for someone to come out with a triple dash gauge pod like this one that would fit above the center AC vents on the s13 dash and both conforms to the dash contour perfectly and is angled slightly towards the driver

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/jaydstewart/RX-8pod.jpg

I'm also very interested the CF radio/AC/shifter surround piece. I'd pay $$$ for it. :bowrofl:

bing

09-26-2005, 08:54 PM

kandyflip445

09-26-2005, 11:28 PM

IC piping would be awesome. Maybe you could make a flange to cut the CF short so they can use different connector piping for various turbo placements. Dunno if that would work though.

mmdb

09-27-2005, 02:29 AM

CF:
* driveshaft
* suspension arms
* underbody diffuser
* sunroof panel (to rid of the glass & the mechanicals)
* strut bars
* trunk lid.

Var

09-27-2005, 02:37 AM

Subframe. skeet

SochBAT

09-27-2005, 03:14 AM

Cup Holders. Most S13 owners don't really use their ashtrays, mainly because the lighter doesn't work. Maybe its just me... Ashtray-replacing cupholder.

kognition

09-27-2005, 01:45 PM

IC PIPING: I have studied this subject. If you are prepared to drop $500 for a kit
then we will make them. But Garrett has confirmed with me that any insulation
benefits from hot engine air are not enough to really measure because the air is travelling at such a high velocity. We are sleeving the piping in our Silvia though
it is just for looks.

S13 cupholder: Yes i am putting this together once our donor console arrives. Also making a DIN plate for gauge mounting for it.

sLiDewAys

09-27-2005, 01:58 PM

ca18det vented carbon fiber coil pack cover. and id say 50.00-80.00

chmercer

09-27-2005, 02:54 PM

chmercer,

how do you figure that CF aero, CF guage cholder and CF IC piping are ghey but you are all about CF arm rests?

thats a tad fuxxored to me, especially since many others are bumping some of those ideas as well.

lol im not all about a cf armrest. id never buy that in a million years. i was just saying that it would be slightly less stupid if it was a full replacment part instead of just a ricer cover.

gauge holder just go get some fuckin greddy pods for like 15 bucks and stop being a stupid ricer. cf aero, oh wait, yeah, that would weigh like 2 pounds less than FRP aero, and cost about 10 million dollars. fiberglass and carbon fiber weigh like almost the exact same, go buy some fiberglass cloth and some cf cloth, and you will see why its totally rice to be used in a street car with resin. cf tubing the resin would just burn off and turn to trash. like an old cf hood x a million times faster since its in the engine bay. unless this store is gonna bust out the autoclave which i am heavily doubting since the first products were super gel coated mirror covers and armrest.

kandyflip445

09-27-2005, 02:55 PM

S13 cupholder: Yes i am putting this together once our donor console arrives. .

I love you. :hug:

chmercer

09-27-2005, 03:28 PM

CF:
* driveshaft
* suspension arms
* underbody diffuser
* sunroof panel (to rid of the glass & the mechanicals)
* strut bars
* trunk lid.

god damnit you people why are you so fucking stupid. do you know anything about composite materials. ALL cf strut bars are aluminum tubing with cf riced over the top. suspension arms... no. NO. shut the fuck up.

they already sell trunk lids

diffusers cost a shit load

sunroof panel fine.

kognition

09-27-2005, 05:04 PM

kandyflip445

09-27-2005, 05:28 PM

:Owned: :rofl:

chmercer

09-27-2005, 05:49 PM

You know nothing about composites or our products. You throw around the word
"ricer" like you were never there before when we all know you were.
Secondly, our carbon sleeved intercooler piping uses 500 degree rated epoxy. Which (because of its high cost) is why you would have to shell out 500 bucks for a kit. And you obviously do not know that CF functions fine up to 600 degrees. It goes into our 4 pound race hoods that are bonded with alluminum honeycomb.... 3 times tougher than any metal hood.
Finally, you made the statement that our parts are "super gel coated". WRONG
If you know anything about our products and it sounds like you don't, you would know that every part we produce is vacuumed in a mold. Then it is in fact AUTOCLAVED at 185 degrees. Gel coats are inferior and useless weight.
We use West epoxy, the best there is. And we use West clearcoat which is an epoxy clearcoat. School up before you start smacking about my products.

You seem more jaded by this car culture than you seem knowledgable about it. Ricer this and ricer that. :jerkit:

dude im not hating on your stuff. its just that there is no functionality to a arm rest door cover, mirror covers, rear view mirror cover. none. if they were a replacment shell, hell i might even buy them. save a few pounds here and there, cool. but as it sits, they are basically expensive decorations. and yes im sure you vaccume bag, what else would you do, put the resin on with a brush? lol.

your functional parts i would love to see more of. im just trying to shut down the people who keep busting in here with stupid suggestions. drive shaft (poor ass s chassis crowd would never shell out for this) suspension arms, etc. (carbon suspension arms on the street will NEVER HAPPEN EVER EVER dude who i flamed earlier, go read up more on F1 cars) the radio panel looks great, thin sheet, no extra bells and whistles. (like some goofy stick on the dash crazy moulded gauge pod would be.) its so rare to see a clean, streamlined part like this. i honestly like it a lot, but i use a defi headsup. if i had traditional gauges, i would seriously buy one. i anxiously await your full carbon hood as well, as it sits, the only way to get a hood without a fiberglass body is by spending 1200$ at a japanese importer.

sorry for the misunderstanding.

edit -----

please explain how you get a gloss finish if you do in fact pre preg the parts and use no additional coating? that seems impossible to me. also, did you say "carbon sleeved" intercooler piping? im unfamiliar with that term. you dont mean aluminum pipe covered in carbon fiber do you?

so that i dont sound completly un constructive with my posting, here are a couple of suggestions that I would like to see.

pre preg door skins with no clear or anything unneccesary. no moulding required, just a sheet. Hell i would just buy a rectangular sheet as long as it was of a larger size than the door, trim to fit. buyer could cut small holes for mirror/power lock switches if desired, or just delete them. rivet/sheet metal screw into the door panel and there you go.

gauge pod plate. basically the same as above, could come pre drilled with place for a tach etc or could just be solid and left up to the buyer.

mirror bases!! they have lightweight cheap mirrors all over ebay but noone makes mirror bases so everybody always ends up making ratty looking aluminum rivet on bases which kindof defeats the whole thing for the most part. if you guys could make some mirror bases, and even formula mirrors (think craftsquare) i would buy them. over the ebay mirrors i mean.

big hood vents! like uras. raceonusa has some vents and stuff but they are frp and kindof funky. if you just made the louvers on the vent single plane, not moulded like uras/dmax/whatever it would help with costs, be lighter, and better in terms of flow. like kazama s15, cwest s2k circuit cars, you know?

big functional canards, like voltex!

front rivet on undertray, trim to fit (basically this could just be a large race plate) maybe even mould a venturi into it like the do luck one.

this stuff could be reasonably priced i think, not much moulding required, no need for clear, only 1-2 layers required for the interior pieces and other parts so it would save materials as well

kandyflip445

09-27-2005, 06:04 PM

Gel coats are inferior and useless weight.
We use West epoxy, the best there is. And we use West clearcoat which is an epoxy clearcoat.

edit - please explain how you get a gloss finish if you do in fact pre preg the parts and use no additional coating? that seems impossible to me. also, did you say "carbon sleeved" intercooler piping? im unfamiliar with that term. you dont mean aluminum pipe covered in carbon fiber do you?

What else could sleeved mean? He said there is really no function to it he said he's doing it for looks.

chmercer

09-27-2005, 06:26 PM

oh allright i missed that part. im all about rice, but carbon fiber is so expensive, it seems goofy to me to just use it for decoration.

btw do you guys just sell race plates by themselves?

kognition

09-27-2005, 07:11 PM

I will do my best to explain, i know there is a hell of alot of misinformation about composites. But it did not evolve for the sake of the import industry. I am actually one of the guys that wants to produce the best quality parts. And we are prepping our Silvia for the 2006 NASA SRX Class season to back our performance parts up. Of course if we just made super light weight performance
parts from CF we wouldn't be in business because most people can't afford a $2,500 set of cf doors. There is the bottom line to consider. I want to make those serious cf performance parts you talk about, but i have to market them
to Japan and the UK because the dollar is so damn weak these days. Nobody here in the states could afford them. Carbon fiber mirror covers, console covers etc. fill a market need. It is logical for me to make from a business pov. 99% of the guys out there don't race. Which leaves the 1% asking for performance carbon parts they could not afford. Now i will say, that those useless parts you mentioned actually brought in enough money for us to start producing the alluminum honeycomb core hoods. If these came from Japan, you could never afford them. You would pay about $2,000 for one. The Yen
works against you guys and thats why you are always fucking broke! I am one of a handful of companies here in the states working to compete against
Japanese carbon. Forget China, were not even talking about that crap. I am trying to get my brand name into Japan if you can imagine how tough that is.
But i am doing it. You know i have Great Company asking us to make intake ducts for them right now for their line in Japan? Thats what i'm talking about.
Enough blabbing, and on to your question about clearcoats.
A Gel Coat is usually a polyester based coating sprayed into an rtv (silicone mold). When it gels, you insert your CF and cure it. Our parts are made with the laminating epoxy, cured, and hand coated with a super optically clear epoxy. It is applied by hand using rubber gloves to smooth out. Then it evens itself out over the entire surface and cures overnite. Every company has to have a product that they can sell every day to pay the bills. I make mirror covers for the 350Z and most of those people are just daily drivers. Somebody has to do it. And here is what i mean by CF sleaving.

http://www.kognitiondesign.com/sleeve_sample.jpg

oh allright i missed that part. im all about rice, but carbon fiber is so expensive, it seems goofy to me to just use it for decoration.

btw do you guys just sell race plates by themselves?

chmercer

09-27-2005, 07:27 PM

ah ok. sorry for sounding so agressive previously. i understand now that your cover parts are the "bread and butter" so to speak.

any chance you could give me a price on race plates by the square foot or so? up to a certain max dimension i guess, assuming that once you have to start using wider rolls the price would go up. just using whatever the most readily available weave is, no real concern for that. also this would just be plain jane stuff, no need for the clear (unless of course it would be cheaper to use the clear for some reason? which i doubt) basically going for cost effectivness, the less processing you have to do the better, that way i can buy more of it :)

kognition

09-27-2005, 08:24 PM

No sweat,
i take alot of pride in my work, and it pays my mortgage so i have to defend my name for the sake of business.

I would do blank plates but we need all of our cf for the holiday season. You should check out Dragon Plate (http://www.dragonplate.com) for panels.

Mike

Ian

09-27-2005, 08:44 PM

could you make me a jacket out of that?

on a seirous note. I am VERY VERY VERY interested in an S14 Sunroof Delete Panel.

statik

09-27-2005, 08:53 PM

can you make something like this =]

http://www.teamhpi.org/s14/carputer/lcd/DSCN1746.JPG

mine uses too much bondo and weighs like 12lbs haha, then again, i had no idea what i was doing

Ian

09-27-2005, 09:08 PM

oh god...you filled the entire hole in w/ bondo didnt you...

Kinematics

09-27-2005, 09:52 PM

I would be interested in a CF front air splitter for Pignoses with OE lips. Perhaps there is way to make this compatable for Pignoses without OE lips as well?

Just a thought. I'm sure everyone here would like an air splitter for their specific generation 240 front bumper.

Slidin240Wayz

09-27-2005, 10:19 PM

HAHA that pic looks too sexual.

As for cf pieces... The s14 rain guards in cf would be hot- $200

Where can I find this g-corp?

kognition

09-27-2005, 11:17 PM

Yea alot of people do that. I did that for Great Company's S13 last Dec. They just wanted a quick & dirty. But it gets the job done. The plug we are doing for that is exactly a plug. It has an alluminum honeycomb core like our S14 panel. So it will not flex or lose strength once you start cutting into it to fit your meters. Just a heck of alot more reliable than sheet plastic or bondo.

can you make something like this =]

http://www.teamhpi.org/s14/carputer/lcd/DSCN1746.JPG

mine uses too much bondo and weighs like 12lbs haha, then again, i had no idea what i was doing

SochBAT

09-28-2005, 01:34 AM

CF socks would be AMAZING. But really, get on those S13 cupholders =]

statik

09-28-2005, 07:21 AM

oh god...you filled the entire hole in w/ bondo didnt you...

no, i used the stock radio trim, cut out what i didnt need, and fiberglassed in the LCD panel, then i did a layer of bondo over the fiberglass after sanding, it doesnt really weight 12lbs i was over exaggerating, the most bondo is int he lower porition where the ashtray and stuff was.

It started as this:
http://www.teamhpi.org/s14/carputer/lcd/in_progress/DSCN1879.JPG

This was pre-sanding/paint:

http://www.teamhpi.org/s14/carputer/lcd/in_progress/DSCN1907.JPG

id rather have a solid piece of fiberglass or carbon fiber though

tiggs

09-28-2005, 08:13 AM

Seriously, radio trim piece for the s13. I have a similar setup to what statik has but in my 93 hatch
http://www.zilvia.net/f/attachment.php?attachmentid=9011

But I want to replace the whole piece with cf. If it can be made for me within the next 30 days I'll pay threw the nose for it. I'm rebuilding my carpc setup and will have it all ready to install in the next 30days so I'm either gonna find something like this, or I'm gonna haveta just find a crappy replacement piece or try and fab something up myself... But I'm not a fab guy so... help me out! If I knew how to make a cf mold I'd be on it in a heart beat but I'm no fabricator ;)

edit: Heck, to make it easier just keep it flat across where the radio hole is I'll cut it out myself... but do make the holes for the climate controls and shifter, those would be more tricky.. it'd be ideal for me to cutout my own hole for the mounting of the lcd screen anyway. I'll send you a console trim piece if you want so you have something to work with.

kognition

09-28-2005, 09:35 AM

No we are just making a DIN plug for the S13. And overlays are usually a bad idea particulary overlaying cf on plastic.

tiggs

09-28-2005, 11:11 AM

No we are just making a DIN plug for the S13. And overlays are usually a bad idea particulary overlaying cf on plastic.

crap

crap crap crap

guess it's time I learn how to use fiberglass :rant2:

Man I tell ya, I hear a lot of requests for a cf complete radio/shifter/climate control trim like I want. I've seen a number in this thread alone.. I bet it'd be a great "bread and butter" earning piece... (I know I'd be willing to drop $200 on it... possibly more) just a though.. ah well, guess Imma haveta look somewhere else :doh:

oh yeah, and i didn't mean overlay.. if i was gonna go for an overlay type thing i'd just get the vinyl look alike :ghey:

kognition

09-28-2005, 12:33 PM

tiggs

09-28-2005, 03:38 PM

I know people want it. I will think about it seriously. After all... thats what this thread is all about. And i am producing those meter panels based on requests from this thread. I am into my second straight day making a mold right now. It is
extremely time consuming. Not to mention expensive.
But i can tell you that a part like that will have a retail of $300. It is a very detailed part.

$300 is a price that I'd seriously consider in the long run.. like 6 months from now... when I'm working on my project car. I'd spend that much on a car I'd be building as a project.. Maybe not for my current 240 cuz, well, I'm not that careful with it and wouldn't wanna ruin a $300 piece ya know? But who knows, sometimes I get a little extra loose with my money. I wish I lived around you to be a guinea pig, haha.

Keep up the good work, your cf pieces look awesome. I understand the time consuming part.. hence why I'm not doing it myself (I'm so freakin' impatient!) Is all that's available for the arm rest cover the one for the s14 that raretrick sells or is there an s13 one? I've seen one in an s13 before but I don't know if it was your piece or not.

punxva

09-28-2005, 09:25 PM

im not sure if any1 has posted this, cause i didnt look through all of the pages, but a CF sunroof replacement, and an OEM Zenki 1989 front lip lol... I'd pay about 200 for the lip, and iono bout the sin roof, depends how light it is lol.

kognition

09-28-2005, 09:52 PM

Thank you,
We do not make an armrest cover for the S13 at the moment. But we will have it in the next month. Focused on the hoods and seats right now.
//////////

Keep up the good work, your cf pieces look awesome. I understand the time consuming part.. hence why I'm not doing it myself (I'm so freakin' impatient!) Is all that's available for the arm rest cover the one for the s14 that raretrick sells or is there an s13 one? I've seen one in an s13 before but I don't know if it was your piece or not.[/QUOTE]

SochBAT

09-28-2005, 10:00 PM

i REALLY want a cupholder!! I busted my iced tea in my car 2day. Sat there, lookin at it, thinking "it'd b awesome to have a cupholder right about now..."

mmdb

09-28-2005, 11:04 PM

Rock on Kognition!

Ian

09-28-2005, 11:16 PM

so what's the possibility of an S14 sunroof delete? any time soon? because i wanna get rid of mine in the very near future

kognition

09-29-2005, 01:38 AM

Alot of sunroof delete panel requests here. Since we are prepping our car for SRX unlimited, we are having to get rid of the sunroof. My solution is a simple composite panel sandwiched with the alluminum honeycomb. Its 1/4 thick. Interesting thing about this is that if i use just fiberglass to bond the honeycomb, it still lets the light in thru the honeycomb like an opaque window.
I am curious to see how much weight we take off with that sunroof and mechanicals of it. I will see what i can do.

anthony240

09-29-2005, 08:14 PM

thank you very much! i will be one of your first customers for this :D

MadScientist

09-29-2005, 09:32 PM

Man I tell ya, I hear a lot of requests for a cf complete radio/shifter/climate control trim like I want. I've seen a number in this thread alone.. I bet it'd be a great "bread and butter" earning piece... (I know I'd be willing to drop $200 on it... possibly more) just a though..

Ok just so everyone can read this again... In order to make a replacement part for the Climate control area... you need to make Funtional vents and Buttons... w/o the center vents your car will take forever to get up to temp and you would freeze or catch fire to your arms. j/k
Buttons can be relocated, yes, enjoy that task on your own if you wish.
The stock vents are insainly hard to remove w/o breaking... much less making a Carbon mold/ part that allows you to re-insert them.

Shifter & Radio Trim are very simple because those sections have no major funtional parts to relocate or re-fabricate.

I will do my best to explain, i know there is a hell of alot of misinformation about composites. But it did not evolve for the sake of the import industry. I am actually one of the guys that wants to produce the best quality parts. And we are prepping our Silvia for the 2006 NASA SRX Class season to back our performance parts up. Of course if we just made super light weight performance
parts from CF we wouldn't be in business because most people can't afford a $2,500 set of cf doors. There is the bottom line to consider. I want to make those serious cf performance parts you talk about, but i have to market them
to Japan and the UK because the dollar is so damn weak these days. Nobody here in the states could afford them. Carbon fiber mirror covers, console covers etc. fill a market need. It is logical for me to make from a business pov. 99% of the guys out there don't race. Which leaves the 1% asking for performance carbon parts they could not afford. Now i will say, that those useless parts you mentioned actually brought in enough money for us to start producing the alluminum honeycomb core hoods. If these came from Japan, you could never afford them. You would pay about $2,000 for one. The Yen
works against you guys and thats why you are always fucking broke! I am one of a handful of companies here in the states working to compete against
Japanese carbon. Forget China, were not even talking about that crap. I am trying to get my brand name into Japan if you can imagine how tough that is.
But i am doing it. You know i have Great Company asking us to make intake ducts for them right now for their line in Japan? Thats what i'm talking about.

This is why I have and will continue to fully support Kognition Design (Mike).
This is exactly what the US Industry needs.. a good bitch slap lesson on quality.
alluminum honeycomb core hoods ?? for real... no-one else in the industry has the balls to make a part like this?? Ferrari, Aston Martin, Pagani,... those guys!! And your able to get that quality part for your 89 240sx... for a fraction of what a lesser high quality hood from Japan would cost. :faint: Yes... I just said that! Thats how much faith I have in Mike's products.

Peace
Drew

Ian

09-29-2005, 09:40 PM

yeah this aluminum honeycomb is the shit from what i understand...

where can one aquire this aluminum honeycomb? i wanna try making something myself :-p

then when i fail i can come to you for a properly made piece

(i'm talking about using fiberglass of course..carbon fiber is russian to me)

tiggs

09-30-2005, 07:27 AM

Ok just so everyone can read this again... In order to make a replacement part for the Climate control area... you need to make Funtional vents and Buttons... w/o the center vents your car will take forever to get up to temp and you would freeze or catch fire to your arms. j/k
Buttons can be relocated, yes, enjoy that task on your own if you wish.
The stock vents are insainly hard to remove w/o breaking... much less making a Carbon mold/ part that allows you to re-insert them.

Shifter & Radio Trim are very simple because those sections have no major funtional parts to relocate or re-fabricate.

Just to clear my name from this cuz I feel like this was directed at me.. You did quote me and all.. Saying I haven't read the thread or that I don't understand the complexity of what I was asking....
Here is the piece I have been asking about (granted this is from an auto but you should be able to get a VERY GOOD IDEA of what I'm talking about)
http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/03/7f/5d_12_sb.JPG

The trim piece on an s13 has 3 holes. 1 for the shifter, 1 for the radio, 1 for the climate control. No holes for buttons or anything of the such. No need to remove any vents. That's what I'm asking for. I'd use my stock shifter/shift boot. Either a radio and the pocket or my lcd screen, and the stock climate controls. I'm not asking to replace the climate controls... that's why I said the "trim"

I hope it is now understood what I was asking for.. And that I don't look like I'm some newbie that doesn't respect the time and effort it takes to do said cf work and that I'm some newbie asking for the near impossible to be created

bing

09-30-2005, 08:48 AM

more info on these honey comb hoods please...

links? pics?

chuy

09-30-2005, 11:06 AM

Yes on the radio trim and sunroof plug.

kognition

09-30-2005, 01:24 PM

I wish it were that simple to just start working with honeycomb. However, it is
more of a black art than anything. Back in the day when i was taking my A&P (airframe & powerplant) at Northrop, there were no official courses on the subject. There are books available, none of which i have ever read. I have always preferred to explore the web, corporate and university website by googling. I am sure that you can find some small pieces available on ebay.
We will not be showing or distributing pics of the hoods until our show at D1 in December. This has more to do with business and market timing.

I just got our S13 console today, i dont really see any advantage to replicating the entire part out of CF given that it will not be any lighter than the plastic part. An overlay would be the smartest way. But we are making a
plug for it.
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yeah this aluminum honeycomb is the shit from what i understand...

where can one aquire this aluminum honeycomb? i wanna try making something myself :-p

then when i fail i can come to you for a properly made piece

(i'm talking about using fiberglass of course..carbon fiber is russian to me)

tiggs

09-30-2005, 04:59 PM

I just got our S13 console today, i dont really see any advantage to replicating the entire part out of CF given that it will not be any lighter than the plastic part. An overlay would be the smartest way. But we are making a
plug for it.

When you say overlay, do you mean that fake vinyl stuff you get off ebay... or actual cf overlay?

If you're talking the real stuff, then please, inform me what I need to do...

I'm not looking for a weight saving... no more than a mirror cover.. or arm rest cover would entail.. do you see where I'm going with that? Yeah, it's more of a form over function... actually that's exactly what it is and that's what I want :w00t: lol

But all the same. It's up to you on what you wanna spend your time on. I don't wanna keep saying "I want this or this" and clutter up your time when I know you have more important things to do.

So when it comes time you need something else to make some $$ so you can work on a much larger project, bring out the CF consol trim piece and I'll probably buy one..

BTW, are you still estimating it'd be $300 now that you've seen the console? I'm just curious.

MadScientist

09-30-2005, 05:11 PM

tiggs - Not specifically directed to you... other people have mentioned it. My example was more towards the S14's AC control area.

Mike - Overlay? If your going to the extent of a large one piece Overlay then you may as well do the full part the same as the S14 Radio Panel... That way the customer still has options (gauges or what not)... I personally think that would be an awsome part to work on. Let me know...

Peace
Drew

tiggs

09-30-2005, 05:58 PM

What I was thinking with the console, to make it a little more functional per se, keep the holes for the shifter and climate controls, just go flat over the radio hole. The you get that cool blank space for gauges or in my case my LCD screen.. all to cut out ourselves how we want.
Basically the console, w/the plug already there
I'd totally be up for that.
I think that's kinda what MadScientist was saying? I could be wrong which I'm known to be wrong from time to time. :cry:

kognition

09-30-2005, 07:35 PM

Well to make a full CF part, we would have to add fasteners so that it would mount up the same as stock. And an overlay would consist of 3 layers of CF, so it would be a quality part. You would apply some silicone adhesive to your console piece and just mount the CF overlay. Overlays have become synonymous with cheapo ebay fake carbon. Its become a cheap disgusting industry for carbon parts.
So, the full replicated part would be too expensive. Have you looked underneath that part btw? All those mounting points need to be reproduced,
and there is just no cheap way to do it.
So i think an overlay would be around a $200 part retail.

But the plan has been to make blank plugs for the moment.
If we do the overlay, it will be in December because we are backed up.
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What I was thinking with the console, to make it a little more functional per se, keep the holes for the shifter and climate controls, just go flat over the radio hole. The you get that cool blank space for gauges or in my case my LCD screen.. all to cut out ourselves how we want.
Basically the console, w/the plug already there
I'd totally be up for that.
I think that's kinda what MadScientist was saying? I could be wrong which I'm known to be wrong from time to time. :cry:

anthony240

09-30-2005, 08:53 PM

how soon will that sunroof panel be done?
I kinda need it soon
like in 2 weeks
haha :D
or before the rain season at least
please?

tailspin

09-30-2005, 09:14 PM

I hate my shitty sun visors... with the melted warning on them..

Id like it to be replaced with carbon fiber/ carbon kevlar...

Oh yeah and the whole ceiling piece would be cool too.. you know the only interior thats gray besides the shitty sun visors.

tailspin

09-30-2005, 09:53 PM

i was wondering if you can get this in carbon fiber... but for the left hand side

http://www.zilvia.net/f/attachment.php?attachmentid=9632&stc=1

oh and the radiator shroud in carbon kevlar/ fiber

BTW can you make all the things for the s14 please

kognition

09-30-2005, 10:17 PM

Huh? What do you mean by that?

BTW can you make all the things for the s14 please

chuy

09-30-2005, 10:21 PM

That would be nice too!

tailspin

10-01-2005, 11:33 AM

Huh? What do you mean by that?

I failed to mention.. I need the CF good stuff for an s14 not an s13.. but if the dude can make the Cf stuff im inquiring about for both .. then great - more interior parts to choose from whether you gotta s13 or s14

kognition

10-01-2005, 11:42 AM

Well we are going to do our best for you guys. I definitely appreciate the enthusiasm and hopefully a few good parts will come to be as a result of this thread. And for those of you in the UK who happen to be reading this, we are setting up a small facility in Leicester in the Spring to produce parts
for you there. This way we can better support our dealers there and in the EU.

Mike
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I failed to mention.. I need the CF good stuff for an s14 not an s13.. but if the dude can make the Cf stuff im inquiring about for both .. then great - more interior parts to choose from whether you gotta s13 or s14

Ian

10-01-2005, 10:11 PM

yeah, that S14 sunroof plug would be AWESOME!

even if it isnt like stock looking finish. i'm looking for pure function, race car grade. Dosent have to look shiny and shit, probably get painted over anyways. I just want something to fill the hole so the glass and headliner can go

kognition

10-01-2005, 11:32 PM

Okay the sunroof plug has gotten way too many requests to ignore now.

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yeah, that S14 sunroof plug would be AWESOME!

even if it isnt like stock looking finish. i'm looking for pure function, race car grade. Dosent have to look shiny and shit, probably get painted over anyways. I just want something to fill the hole so the glass and headliner can go

SochBAT

10-02-2005, 03:23 AM

CUP HOLDERS!!! WHATA BOUT CUP HOLDERS????

ALOT of people would buy them! $70+ for a piece of CF!

cdlong

10-02-2005, 09:53 PM

i'm interested in a few exterior parts like a hood and trunk lid for an zenki S14, though the hood should be vented and not be ugly. and the three interior pieces, but only if there is a set. i guess i could do without the climate control trim, but i would rather not. is that pic on page 4 a preproduction piece? i hope the fitment will be better than that.

to make things simpler for you and increase the likelyhood of these parts getting made, i suggest leaving out as much as you can like the buttons for hazard lights and defroster, speaker grills on the door panels, etc. that makes it easier and more useful for customizers or racers that delete a bunch of stuff. they don't have to be oem replacement, you can follow any form that fits that will drop weight and simplify the part.

oh yeah, i could go for an S14 cupholder insert too.

Ian

10-02-2005, 10:01 PM

why does everyone need a cup holder?

i daily drove my S14 for a year and i never had a problem...wtf lol

now my subaru...that bish has the WORST cupholder ever...

kognition

10-02-2005, 11:06 PM

Well, we will make a few more interior pieces, but we are trying to focus on actual performance parts for the new year ahead. We will try not to make any ugly parts.

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i'm interested in a few exterior parts like a hood and trunk lid for an zenki S14, though the hood should be vented and not be ugly. and the three interior pieces, but only if there is a set. i guess i could do without the climate control trim, but i would rather not. is that pic on page 4 a preproduction piece? i hope the fitment will be better than that.

to make things simpler for you and increase the likelyhood of these parts getting made, i suggest leaving out as much as you can like the buttons for hazard lights and defroster, speaker grills on the door panels, etc. that makes it easier and more useful for customizers or racers that delete a bunch of stuff. they don't have to be oem replacement, you can follow any form that fits that will drop weight and simplify the part.

oh yeah, i could go for an S14 cupholder insert too.

cdlong

10-03-2005, 06:54 PM

i just thought of something good. it's sort of a performance part for the interior....

an oh shit handle. everytime i drive aggressively with a passenger i can see them searching for something to hold on to. either on the door, the dash, or maybe the ceiling. you could incorporate it into the design if you make a full dash or door panels or offer it seperatly.

and the ugly thing is harder than you think. i haven't found one yet that was less that $600 for a fiberglass hood.

chmercer

10-03-2005, 08:53 PM

go get a UK handle if you want one.

cdlong

10-04-2005, 11:06 AM

go get a UK handle if you want one.

completely forgot about those. i found a few bad pics to get the idea. got any better ones or know where i can get them? would i need the a pillar trim too?

Ian

10-05-2005, 07:25 PM

i plan on bolting a roller coaster style bar onto my dash when i get some time

JewGal

10-05-2005, 09:07 PM

Replacement sun roof.

kognition

10-07-2005, 10:40 AM

BTW, we just removed the complete sunroof from our S14 with all mechanical parts to it and weighed it. 26 lb's total. Thats alot of extra weight up over your head...

Ess14

10-22-2005, 11:16 PM

http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/03/7f/5d_12_sb.JPG

Yes to this

Can I buy the center console cover piece? Is that available?

Visors would look nice too, 1-uping that.

Ess14

10-22-2005, 11:16 PM

my computer sucks and i double posted

BOROSUN

10-23-2005, 12:28 AM

+1 cf sunroof

replace that heavy glass

Ian

10-23-2005, 09:28 AM

lets see them sunroofs happen!!!

SlowCoupe

10-23-2005, 11:16 AM

if i can get more head room in my s14 by replaceing it with a carbon one and removing the glass and hardware...then i'm in for one please.

shinrekka

10-23-2005, 06:17 PM

carbon fiber lips. Carbon fiber looks good unpainted, fiberglass needs to be painted and it cracks and chips super easy. If you guys could make a lip for the 91-94 that is similer to the nissan motorsport lip that was an original option i think i would pay 400$ for it maybe more. After all I was willing to pay anything if i could find one. The nissan motorsport lip is incredibly hard to get and everyone wants it. I guarrentee you will sell a shit load of them. Look at how popular they are with hondas. I know, the nissan motorsport lip is all i need to complete the looks of my car, and i sure as hell will pay a good amount for a carbon fiber version.

DRFT180

10-23-2005, 07:40 PM

+1, I would love to get this lip, but I don't know about paying $400 for it. A little cheaper and I would deffinately get it.

DJ_Sunrise

10-23-2005, 11:31 PM

several things i would love to see in CF for the S14s stock front bumper.

CF lip, or atleast a damn splitter.. make them FUNCTIONAL
CF Canards, enough to do my downforce good
CF rear top secret thingys for S14 that are like $500 rediculously overpriced, but help make wind tunnel under car or something. what whaaat...

The s14 front bumper is fine.. just needs a touchup.. i would love to see a functional splitter or lip, anything.. that would make the bottom of the bumper dressy, and actually HELP downforce/cooling for my massive Blitz FMIC :P.

what i would pay.
CF lip.. $200-$400 depending on FUNCTIONALITY and STYLE. IE, ducting of sorts, plainness like Greddy lip, aggresive like GP Sports?
Splitter $150 MAX. Cmon.. its a slab of CF.. Make it stickout atleast 1.5"
Canards $100 Cant be that diffucult to make..

Offer a package of these 3 for 500-600. Definetly would sell well.. no one makes any of these 3 parts specifically for our cars, without either being universal, or plain fugly.

My 2 cents.

Bart

Ian

10-24-2005, 08:01 AM

i personally dont think i'd buy any of those things to be honest

Most 240 owners aren't interested in CF body parts like a front lip because most of us have slammed cars that get driven, and that lip would get ripped off and broken in a week (CF cant be fixed like FRP can, crack CF once and it'll never be the same)

I'd be interested in hood, trunk, sunroof delete. Maybe a center console for bling factor. Maybe a gauge pod for the dash like the 350Z has

Hynes

10-24-2005, 09:22 AM

CUP HOLDERS!!! WHATA BOUT CUP HOLDERS????

ALOT of people would buy them! $70+ for a piece of CF!

+1

By the way SOCHBAT, I have a great stock cup holder in my s13, pull out your ashtray chuck it in the back seat or at your passenger and drop you drink in the hole.

Works great for me

Plus I love this.

http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/03/7f/5d_12_sb.JPG

but I could not justify paying hundreds of dollars for one.

SlowCoupe

10-24-2005, 12:11 PM

+1, I would love to get this lip, but I don't know about paying $400 for it. A little cheaper and I would deffinately get it.

i bet it won;t last a week on your car.
:bow:

DJ_Sunrise

10-24-2005, 08:39 PM

yea i agree some of our cars are slammed that a lip would get torn off, those are also the owners who take atrocious care of there cars. my cars slammed, i run HE's... im barely off the ground, but a 5MM slab of CF or so will not make a difference for me at this point.. if theres any doubt in my mind that i wount clear a speed bump, i wont go down that route. im either going to nail something, or i wont.. no inbetweens.. i would still love to see a nice CF splitter for my car, or hell any material for that matter.. just make me a damn splitter, i need the aerodynamics :)

-Bart

TheTimanator

10-24-2005, 09:42 PM

Ian

10-24-2005, 09:50 PM

if my bumper was any lower then it is now, i woudl have to remove it for multiple local drift events (it would get ripped off nearly every run, whether or not i go off course)

TokyoNights

10-24-2005, 10:56 PM

how about you make your own sunroof deletes
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/wires.jpg
fuck carbon
dirty bling motherbitches

Ian

10-24-2005, 11:14 PM

too ghetto for my blood

shinrekka

10-25-2005, 04:25 PM

i dont know man, my stock pig nose lip dosent scrape all that much, i would buy a lip in a second. I, like many other people who will never have coilovers will never be that low. Im sure just like the stock nismo/xenon lip, many many people will buy a carbon fiber replica. Those of us with only a 2" max drop shouldnt have that much of a problem and im pretty sure thats most of us.

chmercer

10-25-2005, 05:17 PM

then you need to be saving your money for some coilovers instead of buying cf lips.

Ian

10-25-2005, 06:55 PM

^ couldnt have said it any better myself

SW20Racer

10-25-2005, 07:23 PM

besides putting in a c/f sunroof delete probably wont cause rust like what has started on your car by riveting a sheet of metal on.

hi.im.kaji

10-25-2005, 10:12 PM

how about you make your own sunroof deletes
http://www.d-faction.com/pictures/mike/wires.jpg
fuck carbon
dirty bling motherbitches
wow look at that rust forming..... :drool:

chuy

10-25-2005, 10:24 PM

I will gladly pay for carbon fiber just for the weight and looks alone. It should be easier to maintane and get done without haveing to pay to get my roof repainted.

Ess14

10-27-2005, 08:44 AM

whats the deal with making CF guage pods, for the dash above the radio trim... I'd most definitely buy...
Soon.

kognition

10-29-2005, 10:32 AM

We are just finishing up the mold for the carbon sunroof. I am making the gap around the edges as small as possible so you only need a very thin rubber trim to place around it. But it is an exact replication of the S14 roof glass, just a little larger in diameter.

It is an alluminum honeycomb bonded roof plug with carbon on both sides. Total thickness is 1/4"

chuy

10-29-2005, 11:25 AM

one click too many

chuy

10-29-2005, 11:27 AM

Then the price? When can we purchase?

kognition

10-30-2005, 01:03 AM

Price is pending, but expect it to be around $250. I will not be making too many of them because i have been slammed with dealership orders for our 350Z mirror covers until who knows when. But i will produce at least twenty of them for now. I am also trying to source some rubber trim to include so people don't have to screw around trying to find some.

Ian

10-30-2005, 01:13 AM

PM'ed

i cant wait to see when this piece is done

chuy

10-30-2005, 10:22 AM

I sent PM as well

Bushido

11-02-2005, 10:30 AM

have you guys thought of making replicas of the supermade headlight housings for the s13 pop up front end? http://www.super-made.com/original/180kit.jpg
http://www.v-ys.com/meihan/yoshida.jpg
not the best pics, but im sure you get the idea. they dont necessarily have to be cf either, even if you made them in fiberglass im sure you would sell a ton...

turbo_lover

11-02-2005, 12:47 PM

I would like to see some complete dry carbon fiber body panels like C-West has for the S2000. That would be a great diet for the 240sx ;). The C-West S2000 weighs 2100lbs!!! (705 lbs. less than stock) Soo... 2650ish - 700lbs = 1950? and the 240sx is a bigger car than a S2000 so... wow. that is even lighter than a 92-95 civic hatch...that would be less weight than a S2K

Bushido

11-02-2005, 06:45 PM

but it would also cost about $10,000 to replace all the body panels. i think simple parts like sunroof plugs, headlight housings, and misc interior parts are a smarter idea..

exitspeed

11-02-2005, 06:54 PM

The doors on the RSR S2000 are $6,000 themselves. I don't think many people on here would coin up for shit that expensive.

smellslikecurry

11-02-2005, 07:29 PM

kognition

11-02-2005, 08:42 PM

We don't do replicas period. Otherwise, i would have to take the word "Design" out of our name. We produce from our own designs. But i appreciate the suggestions in any case.

On the subject of CF fenders, i just do not see the point. steel fenders do not weigh much as they are.

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have you guys thought of making replicas of the supermade headlight housings for the s13 pop up front end? http://www.super-made.com/original/180kit.jpg
http://www.v-ys.com/meihan/yoshida.jpg
not the best pics, but im sure you get the idea. they dont necessarily have to be cf either, even if you made them in fiberglass im sure you would sell a ton...

chuy

11-02-2005, 08:54 PM

Any word for the center counsel, given the fact that you are swamped

Ian

11-02-2005, 09:38 PM

yeah, steel and fiberglass fenders seriously have a very similar weight\

kognition

11-02-2005, 09:48 PM

No they are almost ready. Just alot of different projects happening simultaneously. I think they will be done the same time as the S14 roof plug...
2 weeks.

Any word for the center counsel, given the fact that you are swamped

chuy

11-03-2005, 12:59 PM

Im a waiting a post when they are for sale, through Rare Trick

brainfood

11-07-2005, 05:22 PM

I will def. pick up the s14 sunroof plug from you if it is done nicely which I am sure it will be. I hate my stock roof had to lower my seat way too much to clear my helmet always making sacrafices because of that damn thing.

kognition

11-08-2005, 03:06 PM

Yes i think you will gain almost 2" of extra roof clearance. The plug itself is a sandwiched alluminum honeycomb composite panel. Has the same exact curvature as the roof glass but slightly larger in diameter. I think it weights about a pound or so.

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I will def. pick up the s14 sunroof plug from you if it is done nicely which I am sure it will be. I hate my stock roof had to lower my seat way too much to clear my helmet always making sacrafices because of that damn thing.

brainfood

11-08-2005, 04:37 PM

chuy

11-08-2005, 07:09 PM

I got a PM from Kognition and if I remeber it should be like 200ish will have to wait for Rare Trick to set the definite answer though.

turbo_lover

11-08-2005, 07:27 PM

The doors on the RSR S2000 are $6,000 themselves. I don't think many people on here would coin up for shit that expensive.

True. maybe if you traded an arm & a leg for the kit ;) ;)

kognition

11-23-2005, 09:46 AM

Here is a peak at the first sample that came out of the mold today. Actually it is not installed, it's just the top layer of what will be a multi layer core. Inside the
alluminum honeycomb core are 10 incrementally spaced neodymium magnet discs. The magnets attach
to the metal brackets that mount beneath. The brackets slide right over the existing bolts that were used to hold the 26 lb. sunroof track mechanism in place. Then you shoot silicone into the 1/16" gap around the panel. This increases hold in addition to these ridiculously strong little magnets. Neo is the strongest magnetic material available today. So you get total flushness with no Frankenstein bolts protruding thru the roof. This dry carbon version is $350 msrp, and the glass version is $300 msrp. You will be able to see the honeycomb cells thru the glass version. But it is paintable.

I got a PM from Kognition and if I remeber it should be like 200ish will have to wait for Rare Trick to set the definite answer though.
http://kognitiondesign.com/sunroof_S14_sample.jpg
http://kognitiondesign.com/S14_sunroof_installed.jpg

the head

11-23-2005, 12:11 PM

how soon before these are avaiable for order? I have a hole in my roof that needs filling

blackflag_Rms13

11-23-2005, 12:29 PM

This is for an s14 right? Any love for the s13???

upSLIDEdown

11-23-2005, 12:47 PM

Damn that's trick. I don't have an S14, or even a sunroof in my S13 but BIG UPS to Kognition for listening to what people want. I hope you sell a ton of them! I would like to see some gauge options for the S13, but again, you need to make sure there's demand before you supply anything. Again, great job!

Bryan

kognition

11-23-2005, 01:27 PM

Thank you!
Well its actually a good business concept. Actually listening to customers.
This diagram will give you an idea how the panel works. Yes we will have them
for the S13 probably after the holidays. Rare Trick just ordered them from us so i am sure they will conduct a buy.
http://www.kognitiondesign.com/S14_roof_panel_description.jpg

Damn that's trick. I don't have an S14, or even a sunroof in my S13 but BIG UPS to Kognition for listening to what people want. I hope you sell a ton of them! I would like to see some gauge options for the S13, but again, you need to make sure there's demand before you supply anything. Again, great job!

Bryan

chuy

11-23-2005, 01:40 PM

Yea waiting on Rare Trick now!!!

SlowCoupe

11-23-2005, 07:47 PM

would they pop off going 120+mph? is there anyway for use to adjust the roof plug because of the whistling during high speeds?

kognition

11-23-2005, 09:07 PM

The panel unlike the factory glass, has a significantly lower ability to transmit noise. Whistling will there be not. The alluminum core absorbs acoustical energy.

As far as the panel popping off, it would take a significant vacuum on the roof of the car to cause that. Even if there were no magnets in the panel, the silicone
adhesive used to seal the outer perimeter would still prevent it from flying off. The panel weighs only 1.75 lb's which means it has a very low mass, and will not be affected by abrupt jolts.
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would they pop off going 120+mph? is there anyway for use to adjust the roof plug because of the whistling during high speeds?

projectRDM

11-23-2005, 09:25 PM

completely forgot about those. i found a few bad pics to get the idea. got any better ones or know where i can get them? would i need the a pillar trim too?

I've got one on either side of my car. You need the bracket too, and you have to flip and cut the bracket for the passenger side.
You can use the OE panel if you cut it cleanly and don't go too far past the mounting flange, it was pretty tedious but I got it right on the first try. I got a guy in the UK who trades me shit every once in a while, the handle is the same as any Maxima/Altima but they're not available in black in the US, only gray and tan.

*End threadjack.

kognition

11-25-2005, 09:51 PM

This image will give you a better idea of what is going on inside of a composite panel. This one is about to go into the bonding process where a top and bottom skin are bonded to the alluminum honeycomb. Our hoods and trunks are being made in the same process. This particular panel for the S14 when finished weighs in at 1.75 lb's. Our hood for the S14 (Yes we have Kouki and Zenki models) weighs 8 lb's . Considering that a typical CF hood weighs 17 to 24 lb's, you can see the benefits to honeycomb composites. This is where you actually use the true tensil strength of CF to keep the panels rigid.
http://www.kognitiondesign.com/S14_roof_panel_underside.jpg

mmdb

11-26-2005, 02:07 AM

Looks really nice! I've never seen a honeycomb composite, but wow... very high tech stuff. Can't wait to see it at d1 in a few weeks! :)

kognition

11-26-2005, 11:59 AM

I cancelled our booth at D1 unfortunately. I need to have the Silvia in the booth
to show the parts, and the car is going up to LA next week for its roll cage and then paint. It will not be ready in time so we will be at the Feb D1. I will be there as a spectator, and to talk to some shop owners so i will drag some parts with me.
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Looks really nice! I've never seen a honeycomb composite, but wow... very high tech stuff. Can't wait to see it at d1 in a few weeks! :)

zenkiDori

11-26-2005, 07:06 PM

Looks really nice! I've never seen a honeycomb composite, but wow... very high tech stuff. High tech in the 70s, heheh. It's taken the aftermarket a bit to catch up to aerospace and racing industries.

Neodymium is some seriously cool shit, it's not going to pop off.

kognition

11-26-2005, 08:08 PM

Yea honeycomb has been around for a long time. But has been pretty expensive
to get until the last 10 years or so. I was at the SD air & space meuseum recently and they have one of the original Apollo capsules on display. You can see the honeycomb exposed on the underside where the heat was. But they used titanium or berillium honeycomb alloy for something that serious. Cool stuff nontheless.
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High tech in the 70s, heheh. It's taken the aftermarket a bit to catch up to aerospace and racing industries.

Neodymium is some seriously cool shit, it's not going to pop off.

zenkiDori

11-26-2005, 08:46 PM

I am glad to see people using decent techniques instead of the old, "let's cover fiberglass parts with a layer of CF and call it CF!". That and copying the structure of hoods and things from the metal versions which neither makes them as strong as they could be or as light as if they were designed with composite technology in mind.

iwishiwas-all*

11-26-2005, 09:54 PM

ok how about a carbon cover for the 2din slot on the s13 dash to "hide the radio equip? i would deff need that lol, my headunit doesnt have removeable face, and i dont wanna have it taken lol, but also where can i get those headlight covers for the s13 hatch taht the guy anted you to make a copy of above they look simply gangster.

mmdb

11-26-2005, 10:57 PM

I cancelled our booth at D1 unfortunately. I need to have the Silvia in the booth
to show the parts, and the car is going up to LA next week for its roll cage and then paint. It will not be ready in time so we will be at the Feb D1. I will be there as a spectator, and to talk to some shop owners so i will drag some parts with me.
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Ah that was one of my main incentives to go. Oh well Feburary it is! Can't wait to get my hands on that hood of yours ^_~

kognition

11-27-2005, 12:24 AM

I know,
It is an evolving industry day by day. Importers calling themselves manufacturers and selling at retail. It's a real house of cards for those guys right now. Every guy with a shingle is selling something from China they never designed or made. Nor will they ever meet the person who made it. Sad.
The hoods have been everyones biggest gripe. Our parts will not be for everybody, but we aspire to be the best at what we do. Right now, the "other guys" are probably scratching their rogaine saturated scalps over this newfangled composite stuff. The simple fact is that most of these guys don't have an innovative bone in their body, and chose the easy way. Thats fine, my customers are not their customers.
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I am glad to see people using decent techniques instead of the old, "let's cover fiberglass parts with a layer of CF and call it CF!". That and copying the structure of hoods and things from the metal versions which neither makes them as strong as they could be or as light as if they were designed with composite technology in mind.

kognition

11-27-2005, 12:26 AM

If you want to hide your head unit, take it out of the car. The only DIN panel we have coming out for the S13 is next week, and it is specifically to house meters. Sorry.
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ok how about a carbon cover for the 2din slot on the s13 dash to "hide the radio equip? i would deff need that lol, my headunit doesnt have removeable face, and i dont wanna have it taken lol, but also where can i get those headlight covers for the s13 hatch taht the guy anted you to make a copy of above they look simply gangster.

kognition

11-27-2005, 12:27 AM

Thanks for the kind words. It is appreciated :rawk:

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Ah that was one of my main incentives to go. Oh well Feburary it is! Can't wait to get my hands on that hood of yours ^_~

honduh

11-29-2005, 04:02 AM

If you want to hide your head unit, take it out of the car. The only DIN panel we have coming out for the S13 is next week, and it is specifically to house meters. Sorry.
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will you be making an s14 DIN piece to hold meters? I would be interested in one similar to the jdm s14 3 gauge DIN, so I dont have to get fast and the furious A-pillar's :cj:

....or would the s13 one work since the DIN is probably about the same?

2fast4y0u

11-29-2005, 06:47 AM

is this still going on?

there are a few parts i would like to see be made. most of them were already mentioned but i think this is a great idea

TheTimanator

11-29-2005, 07:13 AM

I'm just kinda curious...would any of the exterior parts be paintable? ie. sunroof plug, hood etc.

EDIT: just read above that sunroof plug will be a dry weave, but the glass version will be paintable. What about the hood?

Ian

11-29-2005, 08:38 AM

yeah it's defiantely nice to see someone using real composite technology in their parts...I picked up an aftermarket CF hood the other day and i was seriously surprised at how much it weighed...very disappointing

8lbs is how it should be, not 22...and definately not the 40 stock lbs.

kognition

11-29-2005, 09:16 AM

Yes, we have meter panels for the S13 and S14 being made right now. Avail next week.

will you be making an s14 DIN piece to hold meters? I would be interested in one similar to the jdm s14 3 gauge DIN, so I dont have to get fast and the furious A-pillar's :cj:

....or would the s13 one work since the DIN is probably about the same?

kognition

11-29-2005, 09:32 AM

Yes the glass version sunroof is paintable. We will also do custom orders such as
silver texallium (aka silver carbon) and we can make opaque colors using dye. But we are not offering exact color matches. You will see light thru the sunroof, and will see the core.

I'm just kinda curious...would any of the exterior parts be paintable? ie. sunroof plug, hood etc.

EDIT: just read above that sunroof plug will be a dry weave, but the glass version will be paintable. What about the hood?

Ghostdrifter

11-29-2005, 07:27 PM

As well as someones cross-linking, I looooove these gauge mounts...... http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=130552

I could definately go a gauge cluster like this except for an S13, also what about a CF version of the Home Depot lip

Zen S14

11-30-2005, 09:05 AM

How's the progress on the S14 trunk?

kognition

11-30-2005, 09:30 AM

We are releasing the trunk in January.

How's the progress on the S14 trunk?

RiceEata

11-30-2005, 09:59 AM

trsilvias13

11-30-2005, 10:55 AM

I was wondering if making a CF steering wheel is possible. like a momo/sparco one. instead of leather it would be cf and the middle would be same metal-like. that would be sweet. make different sizes too. i prefer 300mm or even 280, but make 350 and 360mm since a lot of people actually look for those

ThatGuy

11-30-2005, 11:02 AM

have you guys thought of making replicas of the supermade headlight housings for the s13 pop up front end?
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not the best pics, but im sure you get the idea. they dont necessarily have to be cf either, even if you made them in fiberglass im sure you would sell a ton...
raceon makes cf replicas, i think you can use these 50mm hella's for low beams. http://www.rallylights.com/hella/headlamps.asp

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/oO0oBo0Oo/supermade1via.jpg

I believe Kognition has already stated that they have no interest in duplicating a part made by another company. That is left for cheap knock-off companies like Raceon. It doesn't take any ingenuity to create a mold from an existing part and crap out sub-standard copies. Kognition is making original, quality parts. Please refrain from suggesting anymore knock-offs to Kognition or referring to Raceon as anything other then a joke. :mephfawk:

kognition

11-30-2005, 11:54 AM

Thats okay, i know people want those parts. But we do have standards when it comes to these things. I will not copy any part coming from the Japanese companies out of respect. Unless of course, we can improve on it in some way, and it would have to be a significant improvement. Not just to make it cheaper. Thats Race On's job. And they do fill a market need, just not the market we are
focusing on. This is an expensive hobby/sport for most of us and i wont knock anybody who buys their parts.

chuy

11-30-2005, 12:12 PM

Damn it I want the sunroof now, and cant wait no more. I was hopeing to get an order before I went on leave back to the US of A. Does anyone have an answer as too when Rare Trick will start their sale.

MrSkinny

11-30-2005, 02:03 PM

ive got a quick questionm about the cf sunroof. this replaces the glass and will function as the glass did? slide up/open etc? or is it a sunroof delete that gets bolted on

ThatGuy

11-30-2005, 02:06 PM

Sunroof delete as mentioned earlier in the Thread.

kognition

11-30-2005, 02:29 PM

This is to drop the 26 lb. sunroof with electric tracking unit completely out of the car. It is primarily to reduce that weight and lower the CG of the car. It is magnetically mounted into place, then sealed with silicone.

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ive got a quick questionm about the cf sunroof. this replaces the glass and will function as the glass did? slide up/open etc? or is it a sunroof delete that gets bolted on

kognition

11-30-2005, 06:38 PM

Yes, they do make CF steering wheels. And they cost a testicle. Reverie in the UK makes them starting at around $700. They are primarily for Indy and other high performance race environments. Designed to easily collapse without impalling a driver. They are hollow, and produced within a mold that expands the CF against the wall of the mold by expanding surgical tubing inside. But since the are so light, they have a lower centrifugal inertia when you are rapidly turning the wheel. Makes for more sensitive steering at high speeds. But you really need gloves with them unless you want blisters.
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I was wondering if making a CF steering wheel is possible. like a momo/sparco one. instead of leather it would be cf and the middle would be same metal-like. that would be sweet. make different sizes too. i prefer 300mm or even 280, but make 350 and 360mm since a lot of people actually look for those