NO MORE UNLAWFUL VEHICLE INSPECTIONS Petition

[drew935]

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?AH4G63&1

[hunterljc]

Has an online petition ever actually made any difference to anything whatsoever?

[S14DB]

Has an online petition ever actually made any difference to anything whatsoever?
Nope... :down:

[HyperTek]

Hopefully people will take this seriously,.. but I think its hard to take, since the internet has lost alot of its creditibility.. we need some website like myspace.com to post it on the main page to grab peoples attention lol

[S14DB]

No one takes www.petitiononline.com seriously...

[TheSquidd]

I vote we have a petition to get online petitions banned.

[Wei240]

i can only picture law enforcement/any gov't agency looking into this so called online petition, only to look at it and laugh and ridicule the petitions...

[kandyflip445]

http://www.petitiononline.com/petition_FAQ.html

Why not try though. It's not like it would take you that long.

[someguy_240]

has anyone actually read the petition, it needs to be re-worded. I felt like someone rushed it and its like half-assed. "For too long, the state of California has wrongfully targeted young, male owners of modified automobiles - namely imports..." and umm also why is it one sided? so girls slide wid everything? eh.. if you actually read it you will see this thing isnt gonna make any impact. who's taking law and can write a real bill, or a petition.

If your gonna do it, do it right or not do it at all come on guys.

[Phlip]

^^^ Not like it would have mattered if it was not so poorly worded, but you make a good point no less

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

If you car is not legal to be on the street you shouldn't drive it on the street unless you are prepared to deal with the consiquences of getting busted for it. Sounds to me like this guy got a loud/modified exaust ticket and is hella bent out of shape about it.
If a car apears to be modified in a pontentially unlawful manner, then that is probable cause. What are you going to do about it? If a driver is weaving slightly, driving at unsteady speeds ect. why is that not probable cause to pull them over for DUI?
Police have a job to do and the sad truth is that profiling is part of their job. When you get rolled just try to be chill and hope for the best.

[Yoshi]

Tangent:
I'm from washington, but my folks and my sis live in socal, so I drive down every couple of years. Where I live, we have no smog check, no pollution controls, not much of anything... i'm way out in the country.

What risk do I run driving down to cali and they think my exhaust is too loud (it's a DD, so that's feasible)... I'm out of state, so they can still pull me and pop my hood/etc? Obviously since I don't live in cali, I have no CARB stickers for anything. Is it possible I could just be driving normal, not being stupid, and minding my own business; yet get pulled over for my exhaust, then have my car impounded for not being up to cali specs on emissions?

[420sx]

move the fuck out of Cali. Texas got space, bitches. maybe they will deport yall here soon hahah.

[Phlip]

Tangent:
I'm from washington, but my folks and my sis live in socal, so I drive down every couple of years. Where I live, we have no smog check, no pollution controls, not much of anything... i'm way out in the country.

What risk do I run driving down to cali and they think my exhaust is too loud (it's a DD, so that's feasible)... I'm out of state, so they can still pull me and pop my hood/etc? Obviously since I don't live in cali, I have no CARB stickers for anything. Is it possible I could just be driving normal, not being stupid, and minding my own business; yet get pulled over for my exhaust, then have my car impounded for not being up to cali specs on emissions?
Can they do that? That is some bullSHIT. I am in NC, we have more lenient emissions laws than the states around us, but are stricter on things like window tint and stereo volume. If an out of towner comes in, however, and they have the blackest limo tint and can be heard beating from a half mile, the cop will ignore them as long as there are no moving violations and seatbelts are on.

[aznpoopy]

If you car is not legal to be on the street you shouldn't drive it on the street unless you are prepared to deal with the consiquences of getting busted for it. Sounds to me like this guy got a loud/modified exaust ticket and is hella bent out of shape about it.
If a car apears to be modified in a pontentially unlawful manner, then that is probable cause. What are you going to do about it? If a driver is weaving slightly, driving at unsteady speeds ect. why is that not probable cause to pull them over for DUI?
Police have a job to do and the sad truth is that profiling is part of their job. When you get rolled just try to be chill and hope for the best.

to an extent...

but even here in NJ we've heard of some of the shit cali guys are going through now.

for instance, 100% stock cars are getting pulled over and *ticketed* for a 'loud exhaust' when their exhaust came that way from the fucking factory!

straight from the chp website:

Note: New law (27150.2 VC) does not require law enforcement to use sound level meters to test for excessive noise. Citation is based on officer's judgment. Cited violators may have testing done at smog referee stations or may be directed by the court to have testing done. Vehicles in violation must be brought into compliance. A fine may also be imposed.

i'm sorry, but that is fucking bullshit.

[Sean1978]

why don't you people do something that actually matters like write your congressmen, or hire someone to be a "modified import" lobbyist....

maybe if someone did something that required a little more effort that an "online petition" it might actually matter, like organise a HUGE letter writing campaign

[Var]

If someone were to organize something with a real politician who had a chance, i would definitely contribute to it.

[someguy_240]

omg they cant do that, if you are an out of state visitor with an out of state vehicle and your state has no CARB laws then your excempt. Think about it how can they enforce a "california only law" when you live in washington? When you are visiting you have to abide by our laws and thats true. But not your vehicle cause its not a california vehicle. But expect some cops head turning if your car even has a louder than stock exhaust cause thats what they do and sometimes follow you for like 5 miles. OMG who hasnt gone through that.

[autobahNESSA]

what about joining the NMA, National Motorists Association.
If we get a lot of people to join the NMA, Lawyers work for them I think, and can actually get something done.
I joined them, and used some of their research to help fight a few tickets.

[wingsnthangs]

why don't you people do something that actually matters like write your congressmen, or hire someone to be a "modified import" lobbyist....

maybe if someone did something that required a little more effort that an "online petition" it might actually matter, like organise a HUGE letter writing campaign

Unfortunately, 99.99+% of import car tuners are too flakey to even make an effort to take any serious action. The most that'll probably be done is a rant on a forum (such as this) or some blog.

[drew935]

yea I believe that this is a first draft. I'm sure that you need to start somewhere and then improve along the way.

[420sx]

and its not gonna go any further than this.

[Irukandji]

online petitions = bs

[frozencoconutz]

yea just to let you non cali people know....it is that bad here....as if the state and county authorities are making a personal effort to get rid of people who modify their cars...for example...i was minding my own business...just got done wit finals...driving down a popular road....doing the speed limit and shifting at low RPM...abiding the law completely...and a cop pulls me over and gives me a fix it ticket for my exhaust....when there was about 5 other people wit exhausts on the same road....and not to mention that barcuda running str8 pipes pounding the damn street....its stupid shit like that...and not to include now they're targeting wings, window tint...and so forth...check out the link http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/576.asp

[Yoshi]

yea just to let you non cali people know....it is that bad here....as if the state and county authorities are making a personal effort to get rid of people who modify their cars...for example...i was minding my own business...just got done wit finals...driving down a popular road....doing the speed limit and shifting at low RPM...abiding the law completely...and a cop pulls me over and gives me a fix it ticket for my exhaust....when there was about 5 other people wit exhausts on the same road....and not to mention that barcuda running str8 pipes pounding the damn street....its stupid shit like that...and not to include now they're targeting wings, window tint...and so forth...check out the link http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/05/576.asp

LOL! I'm pretty sure that's the 5th time that link has been posted in the past week or so! hahaha.

I"m so glad I left cali. I'm NEVER goin back.

[axiomatik]

I went to grad school in NorCal and lived there almost a year (2003-2004) with my Arizona-registered car. The first 4 months I was there I had an N1-Dual on a NA KA and never had a problem, and it was pretty loud (I swapped to a SR while there, which quieted it down considerably). I also got pulled over twice after I got my SR (once for forgetting to turn on my headlights and once for a burned out tail light), and neither cop said anything about my exhaust or asked to look under the hood.

However, my sister-in-law is going to school in SoCal, and her car is also registered in Arizona. Despite the Arizona plates, she was pulled over for her window tint being to dark. She even got a fix-it ticket, but she screwed up on that one. When she handed over her Arizona license, the cop asked her if she lived at the address listed, and she said no, and gave him an address in LA. I don't know if she woud have gotten the ticket is she had kept her mouth shut about the address, but either way I don't think that CA cops should be able to pull over out-of-state cars for violations such as emissions or window tint.

[jspecusa]

The only way to do something about it is to contact
www.sema.org
They are the only group that's capable of "influence" politicians.
Email sema and see if they can do something about it.
Cheers,

Sam

[dvdevo]

yeah online petitions are really useless. I guess they know poeple acually care if they get their asses off the computer and go out there and get some real signatures.

[justinhustle]

i had an sr when i lived in cali with ohio tags

never gave me shit cept a little racing on the highway :O

but ohio has smog and my sr passed before it died o.O

[HyperTek]

if we can just get a magazine to cover a ppetition, say superstreet or import tuner, just have them include a lil piece of paper (same size as a mail subscription form) so readers can sign it and send it in to them, and have it run for over a few months in the magazines, im sure that would get tons of real signatures... then present that to whoever needs to see it. come on!!!

[shift_knob]

You have to admit that the authorities have some solid arguments too. Even in this community many people are running extremely loud exhausts and disable the emissions control equipment on their cars. Many of these cars are gross polluters and the modifications often compromise the safety of the vehicle. Engineers spend years developing these engines so uneducated kiddies with more money then brains can damage the balances that were built into these engines - they can't even be slick about it and end up drawing more attention to their illegal cars.

As a politician i would be concerned too about the environment and safety of these so called tuners. What if that SS Autochrome multilink kit breaks and some 17 year old ends up getting creamed by an SUV? Just bite the bullet - spend that couple bucks and get some mufflers from jegs or summit. Don't put shitty unpainted ground effects on your ride. Keep your engines running clean so you don't spew soot and shoot flames. Removing that EPA mandated equipment from your car will result in a marginal gain if any. Its not worth it. You can have a powerful car without being a cop magnet and you will feel better than the ricer fags who think its a noise contest.

Don't take it personally. I also have a moded car - just trying to introduce the other side of the argument.

[420sx]

wow.... a muffler??? haha. ok.....

[S14DB]

Let's crack down on cars and let the factory's pollute cause they pay us off....

[SochBAT]

^^ +1 for someone with REAL thoughts.

I was thinkin the same. Then i thought about Bearillas. Being trained to beat up cops that give stupid tickets. And cops countering by bringing in Anacobras.

But yea, online petitions suck nuts.

[alkemyst]

online petitions can make a difference, however; most are so poorly written and those that are halfway decent have petitioners making a mess of them. (same things happen with paper petitions to, esp at demonstrations...you have a small group doing the right thing to make a change, and you have larger groups thinking jumping on the bandwagon is going to get them something for nothing)

Those that are getting stopped and popped did something to trigger that event. I am sure there are a few that just got targeted/profiled, but no petition is going to stop an as$hole.

If you are driving high profile (booming, setting off alarms, cruising at 4-5000 rpms, weaving, etc) you are going to have problems with the law. I don't like it, but I try to not draw attention to myself. I'd rather have the laws in place to punish those that do get caught, because more often than not they are the ones that are going to kill someone eventually.

Most people that drive way too fast down crowded streets only think that they can 'handle it', driving fast ain't that hard though if you work at it...the problem is doing a 60mph flyby and pass of little grandma susie doing 30mph and getting ready to turn is going to probably cause her to panic, screw up and hurt herself or someone else as you continue your merry way down the street and wonder why at the next intersection a cop pulls you over and gives you the third degree.

[TougeRacing]

http://www.specwar119.com/sacraid.mpg

video about the $5m invested in crackin street racing in SAC

[S14DB]

http://www.specwar119.com/sacraid.mpg

video about the $5m invested in cracking street racing in SAC
See that white S13 shoot sparks at launch?

[TougeRacing]

yeup saw it. good eyes. is it one of you guys? haha

[KA24DESOneThree]

The only way to do something about it is to contact
www.sema.org
They are the only group that's capable of "influence" politicians.
Email sema and see if they can do something about it.
Cheers,

Sam

Sam, even SEMA can't touch this without signatures. The clean-air lobby has it set in their minds that modified cars are such an evil, though many of our community's SRs, B16s, and H22s will easily put out less emissions than a stock Escalade or Expedition and at the same time slurp up less gasoline. Besides, if they were so smart, why haven't they mandated low-sulfur diesel fuels yet?

Yes, noise restrictions should be in place. Everyone likes getting a decent night's sleep and with a straight-pipe-equipped car driving by your window at WOT that certainly won't be happening anytime soon.

I don't think visual inspections should take place. I think they should just strap the car to the dyno and smog it. No popping the hood, no checking the exhaust system. If it passes, it passes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. No checking, no need for bribery.

We as a community also need to take action against the unfair profiling of modified cars. SEMA is currently trying to repeal the legislation allowing police to search cars with big exhaust tips, tachs, roll cages, aftermarket suspensions, etc because there is "probable cause" they have illegal modifications. This legislation wastes the time of law enforcement officers and citizens alike.

[wingsnthangs]

LOL! I'm pretty sure that's the 5th time that link has been posted in the past week or so! hahaha.

I"m so glad I left cali. I'm NEVER goin back.

Sorry to break this to you Yoshi, but Washington might not be too far behind as far as emissions regulations go....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050821/ap_on_bi_ge/global_warming_vehicles

[HyperTek]

Yes, noise restrictions should be in place. Everyone likes getting a decent night's sleep and with a straight-pipe-equipped car driving by your window at WOT that certainly won't be happening anytime soon.

I don't think visual inspections should take place. I think they should just strap the car to the dyno and smog it. No popping the hood, no checking the exhaust system. If it passes, it passes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. No checking, no need for bribery.


I agree 100%, we still need laws to keep dumbasses in check, but this is more then effective way to save money for everyone and no worries..

About that modification law, wouldnt limos and police cars be considered modified as well?? its not like those cars came that way from the factory.

I blame media for every influential problem here.. for street racing, its these stupid fast and furious movies and need for speed underground games.. we got problems with teen pregnancy/divorce rate etc cuz sex is all in the media, as well as swinging etc in media blah blah.. stupid lol.. They should censor the fucking media, cuz we all end up suffering from a few dollars some fat cats wanted to profit on.

This chit is getting bad... i cant listen to the LA radio rap stations without hearing ads for bail bonds.. wtf!

[drift freaq]

I agree 100%, we still need laws to keep dumbasses in check,
, as well as swinging ! Swinging??? hahhhaha you do not seriously have issues with that that you feel you need cops to police it?
I mean thats worse than them wasting money on trying to crack down on modified cars. Here comes the facist dictatorship with your blessing. Seriously however you feel about sex , policing it is crazy.
Something people should learn about stuff like drugs and sex, as long as they have a reason to do it they will. a
On top of that drug laws are a waste of money . You cannot stop someone who is a alcholic /addict unless they are willing to stop. You also have a society thats oriented towards taking drugs or drinking due to yes media in the form of advertising . Yet if you censor the media you immediatly start curbing individuals freedom. Like i said earlier you dance towards facism. Its a fine line.
Back to the car stuff. People are right , the source of the problem lies in the stupid kids, who do not know common sense, if it hit them over the head, with a baseball bat( hehehehe little slugger) . See I have run modded 240's for years, here in Cali, the problem only started to be a problem when the stupid honda kids decided they wanted to 240's . That happened first in San Diego and spread across the state. Now its spreading across the country.
Honestly the law enforcements reaction is knee jerk, but its because of these kids, combined with the citizens who complain to the authorites about cars racing down their streets. Fart can exhausts blatting out all over the place etc.. now will someone please lock this thread its been exhausted , hahahhahhahahhaha

[Jeff240sx]

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