Race Gas Tech and Fuel tech

[420sx]

1) ok this being buggin me for some time, but my friends best way to make racegas and save money is use paint thinner and mix it in proportion with gasoline. i cant remember the proportion, but what i wanna know what else could be used if so how much. this is just out curiousity since i dont think im quite up there with my basically stock sr to take advatage of race gas.


2) also, Check this out. Acetone improves gas mileage?? wtf? ok lets discuss. :bowrofl:
http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/


i know those 2 are different topics, but i'll label qustions for easier discussion

[420sx]

Octane ratings can be very easily calculated by simple averaging. For example, the tank of an Audi A4 1.8TQ is 15.6 gallons. Filling it with 14.6 gallons of 92 octane and 1 gallon of toluene (114 octane) will yield a fuel mix of:

(14.6 * 92) + (1 * 114) / 15.6 = 93.4


one more link on race gas prety good reading too. race gas (http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/octaneexplained.html)

xylene can also be used :
1 gallon of 93 pluss one gallon of 118 divided by 2....= your octane

[ZK]

I ran Toulene in my car as an octane booster... it does work. I mixed 1 gallon of toulene with 91 octane gas.

But who knows what the long term effects are? It's a paint thinner and will eat away rubber seals and is strong enough to strip paint. I doubt it is good for the car. I know the arguments for yeah it is a normal ingredient in gasoline so it can't be bad... but adding it in the concentration you are is way more than what is present in normal gasoline.

Save your money for race gas.

[420sx]

well xylene seems a good mix ingridient. i know Ray(gingerbreadman) ran it. all it basically does is increase octane number. its should burn alot cleaner too. not sure about rubber seals.

[420sx]

soo...... nobody has any opinions about anything related to this besides one person? should have named the thread "new jdm s14 kit jdm silvia identify"..... this is sad....

[aznpoopy]

i think toluene and xylene are already present in regular fuels, just not at such high concentration

there's alot of info on this on other technical forums

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=422332&page=2&pp=40&highlight=toluene

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=339648&highlight=toluene

as for how its usage might damage your engine:

"Q: Will toluene damage my engine or other parts of my car?

A: A 5 or 10% increase in the aromatic content of gas will most likely be well within the refining specifications of gasoline defined by ASTM D4814, which specify an aromatic content of between 20% and 45%. What this means is that if the 92 octane gas that you started off with had an aromatic content of say 30% and you increased it by 10% to 40% you would still be left with a mix that meets the industry definition of gasoline. So the above question would amount to: "Will gasoline damage my engine or other parts of my car?"

Even in the unlikely event that the 92 octane gas has a aromatic content of 45% the resulting mix would still be within the bounds of gasoline sold in other countries. "

[420sx]

awsome info.

anyone has anything to say about Acetone in the first link? supposedly it saves gas and cleans fuel system.

[WILDACEX187]

how much xylen will be required to get 100 octane if u have 93 pump?

[420sx]

how much xylen will be required to get 100 octane if u have 93 pump?

xylene is 118 rating per galon, so

( ((stock s14 capasity tank -X) * 93) + (X * 118) ) / stock tank capasity = 100


where X is amount in gallon of Xylene.

[420sx]

s14 fuel capacity is 17.2 gallons
s13 fuel capacity is 15.9 gallons

[420sx]

so to have 100 octane gas with 93 gas to begin with and x amount of XYLENE you will need:

if you have s13 - 4.48 gallons of Xylene

if u have s14 - 4.816 gallons of Xylene.



and if u want the same buy to use toluene :


s14 - 5.7 gallons of toluene
s13 - 5.3 gallons of toluene.

i appologize if figure is off im very sleepy:) but should be correct.

[idiot goes sideways]

you must mix your fuel to get 100 octan?? :tweak:

when think about it, austria isn`t too bad, ok you must import every #*$§# for you sx but i get 100 octan on the most gas staion :mrmeph:
(the price is the other thing :wtc: )

[420sx]

yea well you in australia so it matters not for people in US. another side of the world. no kengurus. and and Fosters is brewed in Canada.

[420sx]

anyone wanna say anything about acetone??








Significantly Improved Mileage:
This article about acetone (CH3COCH3) probably draws conclusions that Big Oil and the American Car Manufacturers and others do NOT want you to know. They suffer from unlimited corporate GREED. They want bad mileage. The worse, the better as far as they are concerned. Acetone is a vaporization additive rather than a fuel additive per se. It is successful in very tiny amounts from about one part per 4000 to one part per 500. Mileage seems to taper off while HC emissions actually are greatly reduced with too much acetone. Acetone not only improves mileage but cuts pollution and gives longer life to engines. The peak gain in mileage comes between .03 of one-percent and .20 of one-percent acetone, depending on the actual vehicle which may be running gasoline or diesel. Note .781 cc per liter or .78 parts per 1000 or one part per 1280 is the same as one ounce per 10 gallons. Acetone operates on the unburned portion of the fuel through better vaporization to improve combustion efficiency. Acetone further operates like an electron absorber. It is the ideal additive for gasoline and diesel fuel. There are no bad effects whatsoever and every good reason to use acetone in your fuel. We have driven hundreds of thousands of miles across this country, Canada and Mexico during the past 50 years with only good results from acetone. During all that time, something abnormal would have shown up. The fuel characteristics during combustion remain exactly the same as those of the original fuel. It just burns more completely with insignificant amounts of acetone in the fuel. This phenomenon happens to reduce pollution as well as improve mileage.


more here. http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm

seems like it should work, worth trying? im gonna experiment on 2 trucks for a few weeks see how it does.

[turbozxi]

Austria and Australia are on different sides of the world. Another thing I feel the urge to point out is the difference in MON and RON ratings in NZ and Australia and probably other metric system using countries (perhaps) the fuel is rated as RON. In the US you use MON...


There is another type of Octane, called "Motor Octane Number" (MON), which is a better measure of how the fuel behaves when under load. Its definition is also based on the mixture of isooctane and n-heptane that has the same performance. Depending on the composition of the fuel, the MON of a modern gasoline will be about 10 points lower than the RON. Normally fuel specifications require both a minimum RON and a minimum MON.

[thx247]

Seems strange that we would spend loads of money developing hybrid cars and all sorts of other shit if we could just put Acetone in our gas and make everything better. Whats the othe side of the story using this stuff? They fail to mention.

I finished reading that website, it makes no factual claims, can reference no actual study or anything other than what it says. They also don't have a patent on that Fogerator bullshit.

You can try it, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if that site was all bs.

[thx247]

From the website...
"The gutless condition over 60 MPH was cured by removing the plastic venturi out of the inlet hoses and replacing with a straight-thru plastic hose. It served no purpose except to slow down the vehicle. Then we removed the plastic air filter container and with a hole saw drilled 10 holes to let air into the filter without the air flow being restricted. The previous hole from the fender well was finally plugged and now WARM air comes into the engine inlet system. The car has picked up about 30-35 HP and can accelerate easily up to 90 without hesitation. An impossibility before. In all respects, the Mazda runs much better and more efficiently, so we wonder (how on Earth) Ford and Mazda engineers allowed these idiotic mistakes that we fixed."

OK well that settles it. I'm wrong, this guys a genius. I'm going to go cut the intake silencer out of my car so I can pickup 20hp, AFK!

[turbozxi]

Rust with alcohol in the system I think that is the main draw back.

[420sx]

From the website...
"The gutless condition over 60 MPH was cured by removing the plastic venturi out of the inlet hoses and replacing with a straight-thru plastic hose. It served no purpose except to slow down the vehicle. Then we removed the plastic air filter container and with a hole saw drilled 10 holes to let air into the filter without the air flow being restricted. The previous hole from the fender well was finally plugged and now WARM air comes into the engine inlet system. The car has picked up about 30-35 HP and can accelerate easily up to 90 without hesitation. An impossibility before. In all respects, the Mazda runs much better and more efficiently, so we wonder (how on Earth) Ford and Mazda engineers allowed these idiotic mistakes that we fixed."

OK well that settles it. I'm wrong, this guys a genius. I'm going to go cut the intake silencer out of my car so I can pickup 20hp, AFK!

yea i know that part was an exhaguration. 30-35 hp is too much haah. :ughd:

[SochBAT]

Being as Zilvian' are cheapasses, i doubt this would matter.

Vodka kadoi, its KANGAROO!! But i got a REAL good laugh with Kenguru. I was thinkin Ken Masters with a old martialarts guru's body or somethin weird.

Go KenGurus!

[Maeda]

I think there was a magazine article on this very thing.....
SCC? It turned out to be a certufied test too.
Something about toulene slows down combustion too much in higher amounts...

Run water injection or alky. =)

[bardabe]

Bump for that gas thread and the noobs that couldnt search

[s13coupedrfter]

Check this web site out for socal gas stations that sell race gas at the pump...sorry 420sx, I know your in Texas
http://harmanmotive.com/raceGas.html
Interesting topic but gambling with my cars fuel isn't something I'd want to play around with.

[420sx]

lol.... gambling???? who the fucks gambling?? shit works bubba

[PoorMans180SX]

toluene was a major component in F1 fuel in the turbocharged era.

420SX, have you tried each of the three additives? Results with each? You seem to be the main experimenter on this.

[steve shadows]

why not just buy some C16

and mix one gallon c16 to 13 gallons of 91 octane.

to meet 93+ octane range?

Thats what I plan on doing for 465 whp on the street

:madfawk:

[420sx]

toluene was a major component in F1 fuel in the turbocharged era.

420SX, have you tried each of the three additives? Results with each? You seem to be the main experimenter on this.

it works same for toluene and xylene. i tried both yes.

[xanavi_D]

why not just run e85 if you wanna increase octane? that shits like 105? 106? ive been doing a lot of reading on it and it doesnt seem bad, not even for our cars (im sure most of you know that already.) i guess if you want to run even higher octane you'd need something else tho...