Rota comes through- SSR SP1 Replica's

[SoCalSilvia]

Not sure if anyone on here has seen this, but Rota has finally come through on a wide, decent offset, sweet looking wheel. I've personally always liked what Rota has done, but this is the first time they have come through for the RWD guys(other than the TE-replica in 16" only). I got rid of my S14 awhile back and drive an MR2 turbo now, and while on the MR2 boards(MR2OC) I came across this post:

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=124982

We are running a group buy for the all new Rota D2 wheel (SSR Professor SP1 replica). Rota is introducing this wheel as SPECIAL ORDER ONLY. This means Rota will not be stocking it so in order to get this wheel you will have to order through a dealer and wait approximately 1.5 months from the time the order is put in. The wheel will be available in the below configurations:

Sizes
17x7.5- $160 each
17x8- $170 each
17x8.5- $175 each

Colors
Gunmetal w/ polished lip
Gold w/ polished lip
Black w/ polished lip
Hyper Black w/ polished lip
Other colors may be available if demand is high enough

Offsets
+25
+35
+40
+45
+48

Bolt Patterns
4x100
4x114.3
5x100
5x114.3

Prices are listed above and include shipping when a set of 4 wheels is purchased. At this point we do not see any problem meeting the minimum order with Rota to get this produced. Feel free to call at anytime to put your order in (919-383-4605 11 AM- 7 PM EST). The group buy will end 8/15/05. At that point you will be charged the 50% deposit. Once the wheels arrive at Rota the remaining balance will be due.

D2 compared to SSR Professor SP1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/nyteryda3/d2wheel1.jpg

[Jcb890]

Any pics of them on a car and pics of the different colors? The Rota is the one on the left, right? And you have to be a member to view your link.

[SilviaDriver]

they are comparing it with the wrong wheel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/jarelee/old-6-24-04/350z_004.jpg

[North240]

Wow they're actually not that bad, granted a 8.5 +25 isnt going to win you points with the jDm tYt3 Flush kings but decent street wheels none the less.

[atom]

Damn that shit's poserish. I guess it'll fool people from 10 feet away though.

[SoCalSilvia]

wheel on the left is the rota wheel. the wheel on the right is work meister s1(similar to ssr sp1), i was just copying and pasting the thread from MR2OC. no pics on a car

[420sx]

how much 17* 8.5 weight??? thats what the hell i wanna know. and if they will clear coilz at +25... .they should but not sure

[SoCalSilvia]

"The 17X7.5 is aproximatly 17 lbs"

According to the vendor who created this thread over at MR2OC

[OptionZero]

Thats actually not that cheap...unless you really want that particular style, you can get better sizing from Mustang wheels or Kosei K1 (which IIRC is ~$200 from tire rack). Again, if u want that style, thats cheaper than the real thing, but for the sizes, you could go elsewhere.

[420sx]

kosei k1 is ugliest fuckin wheel ever especially on s14s. yuck

stock mustang wheels are even heavier that these.

[OptionZero]

Yes, but for the price of two of these, i can get 4 mustang wheels in wider sizes. Looks are subjective, price and size are not.

[mistaanime]

rims look aiite..looks more like replica Nismo LM GT2

[420sx]

mustang wheels are fucking heavy. doesnt mean i dont like them tho.

[tew photy]

neither is weight...

but i guess if you really care about that, then you're not exactly looking for bottom dollar

[sepulchral]

where the F can i get them..

[drift freaq]

to the guy that called them poserish , they would make a great set of disposable drift wheels compared to the price of Real SSR Professors. I would rock them for that kind of money and beat the living daylights out of them. hahahhahhahhaha

[whooha1217]

i want a set!!!!!

[that180guy]

dizzzam!!! and ive been looking for nice street wheels too!
damn straight ima cop n beat the shit outta em! 17x8.5 +25 is a pretty damn nice size, unless ur a uber flush nazi

[vvtisupra]

8.5 +25 is around +43 offset on a 7 inch wide wheel meaning you'll prolly need a 5 mm spacer if you are running any coils other than tein. Tein he you'll need alil more

[nlzmo400r]

ive got 17x8.5 with 25offset all around on my s13 w/rolled fenders and it DEFINITELY sits FLUSH,I had to camber them in quite a bit on both ends when my car is low- Rob

[IGSDann]

kosei k1 is ugliest fuckin wheel ever especially on s14s. yuck

stock mustang wheels are even heavier that these.

Kosei K1's looked bad? When did this happen. Oh well... Better go buy some FN01RC's instead!!! :hahano:

[S14DB]

Shitty offsets and widths. Price is average but not spectacular.

[raen419]

17x8.5 +25 is a good size/width.
just b/c it's not +2 doesn't make it shitty.

flushness is overrated.

are these actually multi-piece wheels or are they just fake multi-piece wheels.

[S14DB]

17x8.5 +25 is a good size/width.
just b/c it's not +2 doesn't make it shitty.

flushness is overrated.

are these actually multi-piece wheels or are they just fake multi-piece wheels.
These will hit your suspension thou. It's not just the look. Functionally they suck too,

[OptionZero]

yeah, they might be OK in the front ,but if you're going to spend any sort of money (more than 100 a wheel...), you might as well get 9inch or wider. Plus these are cast, single piece knockoffs.

[420sx]

Kosei K1's looked bad? When did this happen. Oh well... Better go buy some FN01RC's instead!!! :hahano:

any day. im selling my 4 lug setup fn-rc and guess what im getting for 5 lug? :hahano: yeap. fn-rc.

[raen419]

These will hit your suspension thou. It's not just the look. Functionally they suck too,
cast fake multi piece isn't good in my book, but if they were a bit cheaper, i guess they'd be good track wheels...on a budget.
btw, 17x8.5 +25 will clear coilovers. look at the dt05-r's...same size, fits s13 and s14 up front w/o any issues whatsoever.

oh well, if i'm going to buy track wheels, i'm going w/ diamond racing's....they're cheap, not too heavy, ugly, and can get "custom" sizes and offsets w/o extra charge.

[FRpilot]

so thse would be 1piece and those rivet looking thingies are just glued on?

[s0ldats]

those wheels look like shit and the sizes are shit

[daredevildoug]

i almost bought some down here, over all,the quality of the wheel is gay. i wouldnt buy them.. just my two cents!

[chmercer]

i thought thoes were shit, but 17x8 +25 is a reasonable size for a beater wheel. however 170$ a piece is not a reasonable price for a beater wheel.

[drift freaq]

ok, word up to socal silvia, its cool that you showed us this , its cools that your arranging or forwarding someones group buy for these wheels. I like them, but you are in the wrong area of the forum for this and it will get locked if not moved. There is a Group buy section.

[sLiDewAys]

why does everyone one here make this huge big deal about knock off wheels? who cares if they arent real ssr profs. who cares if they arent JDM tighness with your super FLUSHNESS, run some spacers n stop crying about clearance. roll some fenders n stop complaining about it rubbing. sheesh im only running 16x8+27 all the way arround on 205's that barely stretch and i seem to get by, n funny thing is half you sukkas got gay ass steelies on your car, USDM un'flushness if u ask me. so stop whining. Accept the fact that there are gonna be knock offs and look alikes in the world n deal with it. y ou want the real ones then go pay 500+ a wheel. This thead is similar ot the one about those Sport max wheels on ebayt for 500 for hte set. eberyone wants to clown on them sayingt hey are cheap and ugly. atleast the company is willing to offer oyu a decent size an offset unlike many of the other knock off brands. I dont mean to come off as an ass and rant all over this post but some of you zilvias are starting to piss me off this this picky whicy crap. you dont like then dont by. meanwhile us cheapies wil get then and ROCK them hard like they should be.

brandon

[soarer240sr]

i rock real shit jus cuz i got the money.. but the knock off Rota wheels is nice too and i would rock em if i drive an s13, but i dunno bout the price....$170 wack....i would rather get gram lights 57c 17x9.5 for a lil more.

[SoCalSilvia]

I have no affiliation with the group buy, which is why I posted it here. I'm not selling them, nor do I know the guy selling them. I just copied and pasted his post. I pretty much posted this because my S14 was 4-lug base, and wheel options were not abundant. For 4-luggers, 17x8.5 +25 is heaven compared to MOST other AFFORDABLE and AVAILABLE wheel choices. I think it is a solid looking wheel, at a solid price for 4-luggers. If you are 5-lug, you have enough options to where these wheels probably won't appeal to you.

[sLiDewAys]

yeah i agree with you Socal SIlvia

[raen419]

agreed.
if you're 4 lug and poor, these are a much better offer than those damn sport max's.

the only thing that sucks is the rivet look. it's retarded. those wheel would look much better if they were either multipiece or didn't have the rivets to begin with.

[kazuo]

For the amount you're spending on these fake, knockoff shitty offset/width rims, you can save a bit extra and buy FN01RC's in way better sizing.

For that price, its not even worth it.

http://www.splparts.com/Parts/Universal/Exterior/Wheels/5zigen/default.htm

$209 ea + $8 shipping/no tax? wewt. 17x9 +20 4 Lug

You do the math. Why pay name-brand price for cheap ass knockoff rim?

[nrg]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=79239

[drift freaq]

For the amount you're spending on these fake, knockoff shitty offset/width rims, you can save a bit extra and buy FN01RC's in way better sizing.

For that price, its not even worth it.

http://www.splparts.com/Parts/Universal/Exterior/Wheels/5zigen/default.htm

$209 ea + $8 shipping/no tax? wewt. 17x9 +20 4 Lug

You do the math. Why pay name-brand price for cheap ass knockoff rim?
Four reasons.
1. 5zigen wheels are knock offs themselves, and nothing special. hahhahhahahha
2. FNO1Rc's are fugly IMHO!!!
3. You can actually get these wheels cheaper than that group buy and Real SSR Professors are going to cost you a lot more than $209 ea. hahhahhahaha
4. Rota's are every bit as good as 5zigens. Rota's factory is ISO9001-9002!!
Rota was cheap ass shit back in the day but they make a pretty damn good wheel these days. Especially considering the cost.

[S14DriftR]

Those wheels look like ass. I could care less what brand name a wheel has. I just care about quality, and those rotas just look CHEAP. Fake multi piece is retarded, plain and simple. It makes absolutly no more sense than fake bov's, fmic's on na cars, or dual exit exhaust on a civic. If you want a cheaper wheel I think the grenede gx-01's and dt05-r's have better sizes and dont look quite so lame, not too light tho.

[drift freaq]

Those wheels look like ass. I could care less what brand name a wheel has. I just care about quality, and those rotas just look CHEAP. Fake multi piece is retarded, plain and simple. It makes absolutly no more sense than fake bov's, fmic's on na cars, or dual exit exhaust on a civic. If you want a cheaper wheel I think the grenede gx-01's and dt05-r's have better sizes and dont look quite so lame, not too light tho.

hahahha, I bet you judge a book by its cover eh? Why do those wheels look cheap to you and like ass? They do not look bad IMHO. Like I stated earlier Rota manufacturers some good lightweight cast wheels these days . Just ask any of the Miata track guys they run Rota's all the time.
You say you care about quality have you checked out the Rota's in person? Are you qualified to make the statement you make above without actually seeing the product in person? I think not .
This is not, so much of the fact, that I think Rota's are the greatest thing slnce sliced bread, I don't .
It is the fact, that they are a decent wheel, look pretty decent and I bet you might even like them, if you saw them in person . maybe not? I know, you know, I don't want to, even get started about the name brand thing, at least we agree on that.

[S14DriftR]

The overall design of the wheel is good looking, yes. They copied one of the sickest wheels ever made, so of course it will look pretty dope. The one reason why I hate these wheel is the fake bolts, if they made another version without some fake ass shit on it I would probably even pick up a set. Im not questioning the strength of rotas, they will break or bend just like a work, volk or ssr if you treat them bad enough. And I dont need to see these wheels in person, my personal opinion is that fake multi piece is gay, why would looking at the wheel change that? I also think the fake beadlocker wheels are gay too, I just really dont like fake shit.

[bing]

what are these wheels actually called?

there is two different names for them in each thread.

i'd like to call and get local pricing but if they arent available yet then i would need to know exactly what they are called.

also, shut up for arguing. if you dont like them dont buy them.

cars with crazy expensive wheels get stolen, i'd rather look the part and keep my $hit.

[SilviaDriver]

Four reasons.
1. 5zigen wheels are knock offs themselves, and nothing special. hahhahhahahha
2. FNO1Rc's are fugly IMHO!!!
3. You can actually get these wheels cheaper than that group buy and Real SSR Professors are going to cost you a lot more than $209 ea. hahhahhahaha
4. Rota's are every bit as good as 5zigens. Rota's factory is ISO9001-9002!!
Rota was cheap ass shit back in the day but they make a pretty damn good wheel these days. Especially considering the cost.

set aside the whole knockoff thing in kazuo's post, i think your missing his point.

its about the price for size/offset thing he was talking about.

for a little more, you can get a wheel that has better size and offset. granted you think FN are fuly, and these Rotas are good looking, is your opinion. just as how i can say i think these wheels are fugly, it is also my opinion.

and yea SSRs are gonna cost you a lot more, but are they worth it compared to these Rotas? i think so. why do i think so? IMO i think its worth it because i have a more better selection of width and offset compared to these. and no im not saying i would buy the real thing becuz of "brand name" because i know if Rota made these wheels in the same selection with better choices of offset and width, i would get them even if it were fake 3 piece.

would i rock FNs? i would, because they have better sizes.

[s0ldats]

to me, bottom line, the sizes they come in are gay. end of story. if i had to choose between these and ugly fn01rc, i'd choose fn's.

[tew photy]

why are fn's ugly all of a sudden? last time i checked, simple 5 spoke with a concave face looked cool

[wootwoot]

I like 16's =)
The only thing I really dont like about these is the fake bolts. RICE!!!!
I dont think they are that bad though, cheapish decent offset wheels. I was wondering how long it would take for Rota to start getting into it.

[Carisma•FR]

I'm surprised no one has pointed out that the spokes actually extened all the way to where the fake rivets are (Look at the comparision pic). Geez..If they're faking a 2pcs rim at least try to make them look like one.lol

I don't know how Rota's quality had improved over the years. I used to have a set of Slipstreams and they bent and split like tin cans. iirc ppl reported their cp-035s knockoffs got their spokes separated from the rims during an autocross.

[BobbyBoy]

I'm surprised no one has pointed out that the spokes actually extened all the way to where the fake rivets are (Look at the comparision pic). Geez..If they're faking a 2pcs rim at least try to make them look like one.lol


Look at the third post down, the picture of the real SP1 looks pretty close to the replica. The comparo wheel in the first pic looks like a meister.

[ZK]

I think I saw a set of these SSR knockoffs today on an IS300. The front and rear were staggered. I think the lower offset ones have more of an dish than the other ones. Or maybe they were the real ones? They didn't have any label on them...

So, where are these wheels available? I looked through the usual Rota dealers and haven't seen any of them. I'd like to see it in person.

[sw20>>s14]

So, where are these wheels available? I looked through the usual Rota dealers and haven't seen any of them. I'd like to see it in person.

your in nor cal right? theres a shop in south city that has em...if you want i can give you their address and everything...i think these arent bad...theres definitely a lot of wheels that are cheaper and better (sizing/offset), but theyre not that bad none the less...just another alternative...until they come out with better sizes/offsets, i probably wouldnt consider them...

[cr00k_lyn]

They really shouldve came out with better sizes

[sLiDewAys]

i wonder how many of u own wheels with good size and offsets, i remembred that the overpriced meshie bandwaggon went for 500 w/shitty tires sometimes, pay 200 more and u could have a mucb better size 17x8.5+25 is hardly anything to complain about and in my opinion it WONT sit ultra flush SO RUN SOME SPACERS. sheeshh can someone close this thread cuz..... forget it let it stay open. ill just sit back and watch you pikky asses fight over gay'dee'emm wheel knock offs

[atom]

i wonder how many of u own wheels with good size and offsets, i remembred that the overpriced meshie bandwaggon went for 500 w/shitty tires sometimes, pay 200 more and u could have a mucb better size 17x8.5+25 is hardly anything to complain about and in my opinion it WONT sit ultra flush SO RUN SOME SPACERS. sheeshh can someone close this thread cuz..... forget it let it stay open. ill just sit back and watch you pikky asses fight over gay'dee'emm wheel knock offs

Dude, you're the only one in this thread bitching like a little girl. If you like em, then good for you. But don't get all pissy when others don't jock these wheels like you.

Back on topic, the size and offset aren't that bad. I remember when 17x8 +20 / 17x9 +30 front used to be the "normal" wheel sizes for 240's. These wheels are just about the same. I still think they are wizzack tho.


EDIT: Nice PM you sent me LOL

i'm not gonna blow up and be an asshole lik ei feel i should at this moment nor act out and beat the crap out of u since ur local. just drop it, on another note im not jokin these wheels. they are OK but hte fact that everyone doggs them when a company tried to come out with an affordable look is rediculous. you could have just not opened your mouth and stayed on topid instead of steping ot my level of lowness and commenting on my rant. how about you stay on topic for now on and let me do all the ranting here, otherwise STFU and read. thank you.

[bing]

nah i dont get the complaints about sizes either...

i have 16 x 8 +32 and it is perfectly flush up front with 225's. not quite out back but a 8.5 +25 would be perfect. not everyone wants to hack their fenders up.

[kazuo]

i wonder how many of u own wheels with good size and offsets, i remembred that the overpriced meshie bandwaggon went for 500 w/shitty tires sometimes, pay 200 more and u could have a mucb better size 17x8.5+25 is hardly anything to complain about and in my opinion it WONT sit ultra flush SO RUN SOME SPACERS. sheeshh

Yeah, going back to my original point...

Spend not even a extra hundred on top of what you pay for those ROTA wheels and you get 17x9 +20 FN01RC.

No spacers needed, clears is flush and looks good. And its FOUR LUG.

[KwKouki]

Too many people here shouting "rice" and not seeing what is happening here........ Other companies making decent offsets.

[Omarius Maximus]

Everybody who keeps suggesting the fno1s for 4 lug are retarded. They look like absolute crap. Theres still a difference between 4 and 5 lug fno1s, the 4 lugs aren't concave, they basically look like a 17 by 7 with a spacer welded on. If i had to choose between fake ssrs and double fake 5 zigens (one fakeness for copying the forged version, and another fakeness for attempting to copy the 5 lug version for the 4 lug crowd) I would choose my cheap ass fake ssr wheels.

[KwKouki]

some people also think the concave looks retarded. Its all about personal preference, which sometimes gets clouded by what people on this board will think when you buy a certain product

[SilviaDriver]

double fake 5 zigens (one fakeness for copying the forged version, and another fakeness for attempting to copy the 5 lug version for the 4 lug crowd) I would choose my cheap ass fake ssr wheels.

one fakeness for copying the forged version. how is it fake? 5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.

another "fakeness" for "copying" the 5lug to make 4lug. how is it copying? so if Nismo made a 4lug version of the LM they are "copying?"

5zigen made a 4lug due to demand

[OptionZero]

I guess the 1-lug Volk TE-37 Mags are knockoffs of the "true" Volk Te-37 5lug.

Hey, all the JGTC cars are running fake wheels!

[VROOOM]

the reason they make forged and cast fno1r's is not everyone wants a super light weight wheel. probably 75% of the people that buy those wheels never even race or care less if they saved 5 pounds a wheel. i had 15x7 forged fno1r's on my old civic and they were nice, weighed less than 10 pounds, but they werent worth the price when i coulda gotten the cast version(i got mine before the cast version came out). if the cast ones are half price than just think how much you more you can spend on your motor, brakes, suspension.

[raen419]

nismo makes 4 lug lm gt4's.
they're just rare as hell stateside.

[FaLKoN240]

It's very simple, for all those that back these wheels. FNO1R-Cs are BETTER SIZED, DESPITE HOW THEY LOOK. They OWN this wheel in terms of sizing and offset. The point that the 5Zigen heads are trying to make on the looks of the wheel is irrevelent, to continously point out that. . . "Well, those wheels are ugly." Is weak.

If you want to pay cheap prices for some cheap looking wheels, then go ahead, we're just offering a FACT.

Yes, I've seen Rota's in real life. Yes, I've seen the pics of the snapped spokes, and NO i wouldn't put them on my car. Once I see a FNO1R-Cs with snapped spokes from NOT hitting a curb and doing auto x then I might clown on FNO1R-Cs.

[kazuo]

Everybody who keeps suggesting the fno1s for 4 lug are retarded. They look like absolute crap. Theres still a difference between 4 and 5 lug fno1s, the 4 lugs aren't concave, they basically look like a 17 by 7 with a spacer welded on. If i had to choose between fake ssrs and double fake 5 zigens (one fakeness for copying the forged version, and another fakeness for attempting to copy the 5 lug version for the 4 lug crowd) I would choose my cheap ass fake ssr wheels.

Hey, guess what? You're stupid.

Sorry to be so blunt, but the concave face on certain FN01RC wheels does NOT come from the fact that it is 5 lug -- it comes from the fact that the rim is 10" or more in width, with a specific (low) offset.

A width which is simply not available in 4 lug.

Now, please, remove yourself from this discussion as you clearly have no knowledge on the topic whatsoever.

Thank you.

[sLiDewAys]

E-thuggin? haha homie you have NOO IDEA who i am. but like that matters....maybe the 9 can talk for me...

9 inch wide rims i think not. I say we just wait till sometime buys them then see how it looks on the S'serries cars. flushness and just overall look. maybe that will make us speak with our pockets instead of our mouthes. or maybe not

brandon

[lilredstiffy]

rotas arent poor build quality but fake wheels are way gay

id have no problem with rotas if they designed their own wheels, but copying other wheels to a 't' (including fake bolts) is fucking weak

like rocking fake shoes
or all the stores that sell 'fake' vintage clothing now
yuck!
makes things lose their prestigue and value

no more "wow te37s!", instead "are those real or fake?" followed by "what a fag for paying so much, he could have got rotas for $400" or "sweet, te37s are badass"

also rota will probably never make "wide" or "low offset" wheels, who would buy them? 30 guys with 240s?

[ZK]

also rota will probably never make "wide" or "low offset" wheels, who would buy them? 30 guys with 240s?

That is exactly right... only a few people would want them. For them to make a profit, they need to make and sell a lot and need them to be in sizes that fit a wide variety of cars.

I think it's nice that Rota is moving from making FWD and AWD wheels to larger wheels for RWD cars where sizes vary from car to car. So less volume and more cost to produce.

[sLiDewAys]

im supprised they even went 8.5 widthe with 25 offset. most rotas ive seen are 7 width max with like +40 as the lowest offset available

[zenkiDori]

here's some pics for those who don't want to register on another board:

Rota on the left, SSR on the right
http://urbanimport.com/images/products/rota/d2wheel1.jpg

http://urbanimport.com/images/products/rota/d2wheel2.jpg

http://urbanimport.com/images/products/rota/d2wheel3.jpg

personally I would much rather rock these than the FN01R-Cs. First because the 5zigens are on like every 240 and then some, second because I know quite a few people with bent and egged FNs, so quality can't be much better than Rota, if at all. The 10" FNs do look nice, but I don't want to mess with fitting them up front on the FC and I can find much better wheels for the S14.

[TOMY]

Again, i'm sold! Fack that JDM $5000 per wheel bullish! I don't give a shit! If they look good, they look good. I don't care who makes them. I don't need to lose 20 lbs so i can think i'm faster. Its like buying Nike Shox and you suck at running the 500. Your still gonna lose.

[DoriftoSlut]

They are the same shape, Maybe. But the finish on them looks rattle-canned and gay. Cool, go buy those wheels so i can make fun of you. If they made 17/18x9.5 +12, 17/18x10.5 +15 then i would say "Cool".

[dvdevo]

They are the same shape, Maybe. But the finish on them looks rattle-canned and gay.

HA! i agree with you on that, they do look pretty ghetto.

The wheels look pretty good. I don't know why there are so many haters in here. You're in a thread for REPLICA wheels and expect that the priority of the people interested is offset and quality. I dont know how many of you acually see a difference between +30 offset or +10 offset but i'm that most of you can't. So back off if you're not interested because this is not your thread. Would you goto a honda meet just to bash on everyone? Would you goto a eclipse meet just to say they're all a bunch of ricers? I doubt it because you would just be wasting your time. Move along people.

[DoriftoSlut]

I dont know how many of you acually see a difference between +30 offset or +10 offset but i'm that most of you can't.
Hmm.. well a 20mm difference is pretty big. Almost a full inch. I would agree with you fi you siad a difference of, say, 3mm... But fuck yes you can see a 20mm difference plain as day!

[Gangsta_S14]

D2 compared to SSR Professor SP1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/nyteryda3/d2wheel1.jpg

You are correct that the wheel on the right is a Work wheel but it looks more like a Work Termist S1C and not a Work Meister S1C. The Meisters have more of a curve to their spokes (Termist has a flatter spoke) and the Meisters cost a tad than the Termists (BTW Work doesn't make the Termist S1C's anymore, either)

[dvdevo]

Hmm.. well a 20mm difference is pretty big. Almost a full inch. I would agree with you fi you siad a difference of, say, 3mm... But fuck yes you can see a 20mm difference plain as day!


i think i said the wrong word, i meant feel the difference. sorry. But yeah seeing of course will be a big difference.

[DoriftoSlut]

You can feel that difference too. On my R33 GTR wheels (17x9 +30) i run spacers (20mm). One day someone was borrowing my spacers and I had to drive on the 17x9 +30s in rear. Normally they would have been +10. Drifting with the narrower rear track felt way different. Not as much grip when the car is loaded and on throttle. Or off throttle for that matter.

20mm isn't too much but in terms of suspension geometry and load/forces an almost 2 inch increase in rear track is VERY substantial (20mm per side, 40mm overall increase. or about 1.6 inches total track increase).

Spoken from theory and more importantly, EXPERIENCE.

[dvdevo]

well i'm not saying you cant, but i'm sure half of the offset whores out there can't.

[<^> ^_^ <^>]

does anybody have pics of them on a 240? preferably a s13?

[that180guy]

point of the matter is any cast wheel will break. doesnt matter who made em, or how they made em. casted will crack or bend upon stress. ive seend fn's tore up, ive seen teh rotas tore up.

whats ur point?
awwwww...the offset is weaksauce?
booofucking whooo, get spacers. whatabout all you ppl going zmog! r33 wheels!! to know that with outspacers theyd be sucken ass battleships.
finish issss pretty weak sauce tho.

but quit yer hating, n mosely along and let us "Fools" rock which ever wheels we wish. and i shall purchase these badboys wen i have money.
and i still stand by the fact that 17x8.5 + 25 is a pretty decent sizing

[driftsilvias13]

so who sells these? or where can i get them?

[Omarius Maximus]

Kazuo, your a moron.

Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 4 lug pattern? NO
Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 5 lug pattern? YES

Then to me, an owner of a 4 lug 240, the lug pattern is more relevent than the 10 inch width, which like you said is only available in 5 lug.

Please stop trying to pick apart my posts, douche bag.

[Omarius Maximus]

Hey SilviaDriver, lets cut and paste, shall we?
Original:
5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.
My version:
Rota made the (fake professors) for poeple whom want the look of the Professor SP1s but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a one piece. companies do that all the time.
This is what makes the fn01r-c's fake, stop trying to mutate my opinion.

[Ritz S14]

Hey SilviaDriver, lets cut and paste, shall we?
Original:
5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.
My version:
Rota made the (fake professors) for poeple whom want the look of the Professor SP1s but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a one piece. companies do that all the time.
This is what makes the fn01r-c's fake, stop trying to mutate my opinion.


The difference between real and knockoffs

5zigen = 5zigen

Work /= Rota

[DoriftoSlut]

point of the matter is any cast wheel will break. doesnt matter who made em, or how they made em. casted will crack or bend upon stress. ive seend fn's tore up, ive seen teh rotas tore up.

whats ur point?
awwwww...the offset is weaksauce?
booofucking whooo, get spacers. whatabout all you ppl going zmog! r33 wheels!! to know that with outspacers theyd be sucken ass battleships.
finish issss pretty weak sauce tho.

but quit yer hating, n mosely along and let us "Fools" rock which ever wheels we wish. and i shall purchase these badboys wen i have money.
and i still stand by the fact that 17x8.5 + 25 is a pretty decent sizing
Except R33 GTR wheels are 17x9 (minimum size i would ever run on a car). Offset, is yeah not the greatest, but its a design that still looks good and we never had a 17x9.5 -23 version to compare to the +30 (because its just an OEM wheel). In that respect, its like a... take it for what it is... OEM, FORGED, and for some reason DAMN good looking on every car its on from FC3S to S14 to JZX100 to R32s. (the only cars i don't like them on are R33 GTRS haha).

Ok well you guys are bonered about this 17x8.5 +25. Meh... i wouldn't rock it, but shiiit if it looked good, why not. This is where i don't like the Rotas. IF IT LOOKED GOOD. I would never go out and spend my cash getting a 2 peice (or... "fake" 2 peice) wheel in those sizes. The design of the Meister S1/Professors allows for modularity so you can have deep lip and wide widths without changing ll the casting tools, all you do is assemble the wheel with different rim outers.

So, like I said about a 17x9 +30 vs a 17x9.5 -23 BNR33 GTR wheel, one would probably loo INSANELY good. But it will never be made, so we'll never know. The Professors on the other hand, ARE made in 17x8.5 +25 AND 17x9.5 -23 so there IS a direct correlation and there IS a comparison at hand. And the 17x8.5 +25s SUCK and look like arse.

I dunno... on a Scion or something, these wheels might not look too bad. I think that's the market they are going for, since its the most popular new car to customize, and i've seen a Scion xA done up like a Team Orange MSports car rocking some Professors. Looked ok. So, THAT's Rotas market, thus their sizing (widebody Scions can take a 17x8.5 +25... to them, that IS an 18x10.5 -15 to us, ya know)

In conclusion, its your own car, do what youw ant with it, but just know that IMO it will look very bad. Even if you rock a huge spacer and have some over fenders, the design of the wheel makes it look FWD and not performance or VIP. But hey what do i know, i just design cars. And wheels. (which are really easy... so it boggles my mind that companies have really ugly wheels).

[Omarius Maximus]

Brand doesn't matter to me. A copy is a copy. Its not the first time 5zigen has done this. They did it with the old Copse or corpse or whatever the hell the name of that wheel was.
It's even worse in my opinion, cause you think your getting the same quality wheel since it's the same manufacturer, but there is a huge difference between expensive 5zigen and cheap 5zigen.

[zenkiDori]

For a lot of people(including me) who have limited budgets and multiple cars it's a question of buying used and rashed JDM hawtness or new knockoffs. I'll probably buy the knockoffs. If you don't like the wheels, that's cool, don't buy them.

[kazuo]

Kazuo, your a moron.

Pot, meet kettle.

Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 4 lug pattern? NO
Can I purchase a set of concave fno1s in a 5 lug pattern? YES

Then to me, an owner of a 4 lug 240, the lug pattern is more relevent than the 10 inch width, which like you said is only available in 5 lug.

Please stop trying to pick apart my posts, douche bag.

Douchebag, very creative.

So, in other words, you won't buy the 4-lug 17x9 +20 FN01RC because the face is not concave, am I correct? Or is it that you want a 10" wide wheel and not a 9" wide wheel in four lug?

Please explain your reasoning so I dont have to pick apart your posts. :D

[TougeRacing]

people who want knockoffs in general only encourage companies to keep copying. copys are lame and only make the legit business' lose money and buyers. i mean sure theyre expensive but you get what you pay for. supporting this trash makes you RICE! if your gonna do something to your car do it right. dont be a cheap poser.

"To our loyal customers and new ones, we strongly urge you all to purchase AUTHENTIC aero parts! For many years, America has been the breeding ground for "Knock-Off" body kits. We at Vertex USA, strongly recommend for you to stay away from such kits. These kits HURT the economy and your pocket in the long run. Durability and quality suffer with these COPY CAT kits. In addition, hurt new products from Japan debuting in the United States. So always buy REAL and SAY NO TO KNOCK OFFS!!! " http://www.vertexaerokits.com/about.html

^^ an example what copies do, i know its not about rims but the same would apply.

just my view on it. im sure you guys have your opinions about whether its poser or not so dont get all defensive about what i say. have fun everyone!

[SilviaDriver]

Hey SilviaDriver, lets cut and paste, shall we?
Original:
5zigen made the fn01r-c for poeple whom want the look of the FN01r but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a cast. companies do that all the time.
My version:
Rota made the (fake professors) for poeple whom want the look of the Professor SP1s but cant afford the price tag, so it was made a one piece. companies do that all the time.
This is what makes the fn01r-c's fake, stop trying to mutate my opinion.

are you slow in the head? how can a company make a fake wheel of the same wheel they have? just because one is 4 lug it is fake comapred to the 5lug?

again, i guess Nismo 4lug LM is fake cuz its a "knockoff" to a 5lug LM right?

take your ignorant ass to NICO. 5zigen made a version of the FN in Cast, how the hell is that a knockoff? its THE SAME WHEEL MADE WITH DIFFERENT MATERIAL!!

so i guess if Movado made a watch in titanium and made the same watch in stainless steel, its a knockoff?

Rota IS NOT SSR. 5zigen is 5zigen. your claim of "i dont care if its the same company is not" is a really stupid arguement.

so i guess if SSR made a Cast version of the SP1 i guess its a knockoff too right?


exit Zilvia. Enter Nico

[ryan hagen]

Brand doesn't matter to me. A copy is a copy. Its not the first time 5zigen has done this. They did it with the old Copse or corpse or whatever the hell the name of that wheel was.
It's even worse in my opinion, cause you think your getting the same quality wheel since it's the same manufacturer, but there is a huge difference between expensive 5zigen and cheap 5zigen.


thats why hence they name difference, fn01r-C and fn01r, i like my r-c's and cant afford fn01r's they have never given me a problem yet, the one even is curbed hard.

[sLiDewAys]

cant exactly agree. its the side companies tht make this damn market affordable. if it wasnt for side companies sich as rota,ssautochrome,megan racing, kts, origin and such then we would be stuck with the full list cot of the higher priced items..... who the hell has 900.00 to spend on a intercooler kit? shit i bought mine for 338 shipped and had no fitment problems with great HP gains, i couldnt imagine paying 900 for a friggen hks or blitz unit. same for exhaust. u can buy an apexi n1 or gt spec or u can get the gp sports or ssauto/motoria for like 200-350 instead of 600. or how about invidia making the rsr exmag knockoff for half the price . I only dissagree withy ou view becasue i have my own which sides with these companies who make things affordable for us to purchase w/o making us compleetly poor becasue UNLIKE the top brands they are concerned about their customers. or they are just tryingn to make money off of someone elses design:)


brandon
people who want knockoffs in general only encourage companies to keep copying. copys are lame and only make the legit business' lose money and buyers. i mean sure theyre expensive but you get what you pay for. supporting this trash makes you RICE! if your gonna do something to your car do it right. dont be a cheap poser.

"To our loyal customers and new ones, we strongly urge you all to purchase AUTHENTIC aero parts! For many years, America has been the breeding ground for "Knock-Off" body kits. We at Vertex USA, strongly recommend for you to stay away from such kits. These kits HURT the economy and your pocket in the long run. Durability and quality suffer with these COPY CAT kits. In addition, hurt new products from Japan debuting in the United States. So always buy REAL and SAY NO TO KNOCK OFFS!!! " http://www.vertexaerokits.com/about.html

^^ an example what copies do, i know its not about rims but the same would apply.

just my view on it. im sure you guys have your opinions about whether its poser or not so dont get all defensive about what i say. have fun everyone!

[exitspeed]

I have to agree with SilviaDriver here. You can't "knock-off" your owns SHIT! That's so retarded to say that it's not even funny, just very frustrating. So then a 240 is nothing more then a knock-off of a Silvia or 180 cause it has a different engine????

[VROOOM]

i guess cast gram lights are fake too since they make forged ones as well. shit i guess a v6 mustang is a fake since it doesnt have a V8.

[AutoRnD]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=86599

click that link for the good offset +20 front and rear 7.5 8.5 wheels... check it.

[FaLKoN240]

It's a good point to make that buying knock offs hurts the market, and that they are in fact lower in durability, quality, or looks. But then again, really think about it. How much are our cars worth? Putting an expensive set of wheels on a car we daily drive, some drive hard, and some people just plain don't care about doesn't make much sense.

If your car is a beater, then why would you want some 3g plus wheels, because they're the REAL thing. After seeing the Auto RnD groupbuy, and the price I'm even more swayed to get these. Because they changed the offset, and it sounds pretty good.

[TurDz]

Ok, now with Auto RnD's GB, the size is even better, and many people will be happy with +20.

I agree like many people though, Rota is just trying to appeal to the general market for max profit...not speciality sizes for the 5% of people who want them.

[Maeda]

Ok, now with Auto RnD's GB, the size is even better, and many people will be happy with +20.

I agree like many people though, Rota is just trying to appeal to the general market for max profit...not speciality sizes for the 5% of people who want them.

and the 5% have spoken. We are not buying them.

[Omarius Maximus]

I don't know guys, I guess everyone has there own opinion. I think the FN-Cs are copies because if money weren't an issue, who would pick them over the FN01-Rs? They apply to people on a budget, the same as these wheels here. They just dont have fake rivets, which basically makes them "cooler".

People have to remember that company's like vertex and SSR make products at a certain price point. By doing so, they exclude all us poor bastards from the party. Why should I be loyal to a company who isn't making products for me?

If I could afford a set of SSR SP-1s in 18 inch and a perfect offset, then I would probably not be buying them. Mainly because I would be driving an E46 M3.

[Omarius Maximus]

Also I just have to say this....

If Movado made a world class titanium watch, and received critical acclaim for it

then a year or two down the line made a cheaper stainless steel one then yeah it would be a knock off. Because the are using the nice watch as a marketing gimmick for the lame one.
Also people who originally bought that titanium one wouldn't be caught dead with the stainless one. It would cheapen the value of the titanium one and lower its prestige since there are cheaper lower quality ones running around.
Nowadays, if you see an fno1r, it gets treated like an fno1rc, when it should be in the same realm as a te37, or rg. Thats my point, I'm not trying to argue, but thats what I think. The new mustang is a perfect example of how the same manufacturer can make a knockoff, by making the new car they spit on the old 67-68 car.

The same company can indeed make a knockoff of its own wheel, when it uses it as a ploy to sell cheaper stuff to the unassuming masses.
They did that with the copse, fake rivets and everything.
(gram lights are different, they started cast and then went forged. they didn't have that same intentions as 5zigen.)

[raen419]

good God. you people are still arguing over the whole concept of "knock offs"?

you have different opinions. most of you are right, some of you are wrong.

maeda summed it up...
so, lock please.

[Irukandji]

ah they dont even look like the professors, look more like the nismo lm gt2s

[DRFT]

nismo LM GT2http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/images/WheelModels/nismo_lmgt2.png

rotas http://urbanimport.com/images/products/rota/d2wheel2.jpg

you must be blind as a bat the spokes are different, the rotas has a curve to them and the nismos are flat

ok lock this thread now

[zenkiDori]

...make the legit business' lose money and buyers.
These businesses are legitimate and that's called competition, welcome to capitalism 101.

[TougeRacing]

blah capitalism, that is true. It all comes down to peoples preference. People who dont like the 'knock-offs' are just "keepin it reaaaal" literally.

[zenkiDori]

Furthermore, one could argue that those businesses aren't losing potential customers because they(we) are all too poor to pay for the real thing anyway, like kit cars.

[TougeRacing]

too poor eh? no one ever said modifyin a car is cheap. Same goes with drifting = definitely not cheap. should just get out of the scene if you can't afford it.

[sykikchimp]

THREAD CLOSED!! Too much immaturity.

Have some respect for each other. Gees.

..p.s. GT2's are the SHizNAT