Supercharged 240SX?

[FaLKoN240]

SC 240SX (http://www.samuraifiles.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=630)

Does anyone have any information on this car? I would like to know more. . . I've never heard of SC'd 240. . .

[s13driver]

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what's that link anyways ? is it to a pic ? i don't feel like to register for just a pix

[S_14.5]

I agree^

Can you paste some info. from that link?

[FaLKoN240]

It's a video. Register, that site has lots of cool movies.

[ThatGuy]

It's a video. Register, that site has lots of cool movies.

Ummm, no. :hammer: I don't care about other websites besides Zilvia.net, so if you can't give a better link, it's not worth my time. You fail at the internet. :loco:

[sr240mike]

Well the title says the car is by SpeedWorks. So maybe you could search for that.

[Mikes14240sx]

right click, save as (http://video.franzonline.net/AFARCC-Jimmah-Barbagallo-05.wmv)

You could have posted the website at the end of the vid so people wouldn't have had to register to watch it.

[slivia-junkie]

umm.... the sticker in the window said toyota and the s13 didnt have 1st down and up to 2nd like older toyotas did at least that i know

[MakotoS13]

wow, a S13 drifting.... so? WHERE'S THE FUGGIN BLOWER?

[S14DB]

S13 interior but sounds like a SCed AE86. odd.

[meatish]

The window sticker says 'toyo' like the tires.
Definitely an S13, check out the dash, buddy.
Maybe an aussie car? Thats what it looks like to me.. with a name like 'barbagallo'..

[S14DB]

wow, a S13 drifting.... so? WHERE'S THE FUGGIN BLOWER?
I wouldn't call that handbrake wonder drifting. and this thread is useless without under bonnet shots.

[FaLKoN240]

Sorry, I just was wondering if any of you knew anything about it, geez sorry. . .

[TheSnail]

I search the net for an hour, but found nothing about the SC. All I founed was that it is a JUN-australia/ speedworks car. A yellow 180sx, but it had a turbo from looking at the engine bay, and put down 430rwhp.

[CaoBoY]

I wouldn't call that handbrake wonder drifting. and this thread is useless without under bonnet shots.
because nobody uses the ebrake when drifting.....

[tryiian]

wellp, maybe it`s just a really funny sounding turbo with... no... blow off/wastegate hardware?

I dunno what to compare that to in terms of sound... i`ve heard lots of 4AGs, lots of KADEs, lots of turbo cars, and lots of race cars, and the only one that sounded anything like was a full race car, like an elise with lower revvs.

[TheSnail]

Here is a pic from speedworks-auto


http://members.iinet.net.au/~ricphoto/shot/shot_1.jpg

[Maeda]

WOW thats sic!!!
They made the blower setup look like one of those new fangled smog pumps.

I guess thats the end of the SC 240sx mystery.
Oh and tryiian, turbos need a wastegate unless the motor is only supposed to last one run.

I can barely fit an aftermarket fuel rail let alone a blower under the hood...

[MakotoS13]

why does that "supercharger" appear to be right above the EXHAUST MANIFOLD instead of in line with the pulleys?

LAME

[Phlip]

why does that "supercharger" appear to be right above the EXHAUST MANIFOLD instead of in line with the pulleys?

LAME
Yeah, and why does that "240SX" have an SR20 in it?

[MakotoS13]

Yeah, and why does that "240SX" have an SR20 in it?

i wondered that initially but figured a blown 240 was more important.

sadly, i think that pic is a superfarce.

[FIL]

i wondered that initially but figured a blown 240 was more important.

sadly, i think that pic is a superfarce.

ok.. first things first...

thats a 180SX... think outside the US people... in Japan, a 240 is an old Zed.. and a S13 hatchback, is a 180SX, in Australia, all same...

secondly, spot the Hyperdrive sticker down the side? a little googlin' on the 'Hyperdrive 180SX' should tell you it's Stuey Dicksons car, prepped by Hyperdrive motorsports in Western Australia, and it races in the street car class at Barbagallo Raceway in Waneroo...

Thats the same class the Speedworks supercharged S13 raced in last year, driven by Matt Cherry, it's been built by Alltune Engineering and Speedworks / JUN Australia over several years as a long term shop project.

Most recently, 'Jimmah' has been using it as a drifter, which means he's gotta get used to drifting the S13 chassis, as he's been using an A31 for the last couple of years, and will be again soon when his is completed.

Now... I'm gonna stop typing, and I'll dig up a few more photos, which may or may not shed some more light on this car...

[dtcng]

HAHA can you guys not differentiate between the letters "S" and "H"?

[FIL]

ok... here's a vid i had laying round of the car...
http://www.highoctanephotos.com/speedworks/Speedworks_Silvia_28-2-04_sml.wmv

Thanks to Dave from www.pixelculture.com for his camera work and editing...

pics being uploaded now...

[rob9246]

seeing as im a member here and people in an australian car club forum are laughing at you guys i should mention its a s13 silvia with a supercharged sr20det.
a serious supercharger too, not a bs stockie off another car bolted on.

rob

[STREWTH]

:duh: :duh: :duh: :rl: :rl: :duh: :duh:

[FIL]

ok.. couple of pics going up now... there's a bunch more pics of the car on HighOctanePhotos.com, but here's a couple for now...
http://www.landbarge.com/images/speedworksS13/S13_Drifting_01.jpg
Jimmah sliding through a corner...

http://www.landbarge.com/images/speedworksS13/S13_Engine_Bay_01.jpg
An engine bay shot... supercharger is actually hidden over there on the exhaust side, directly below the lagging behind the filter...

http://www.landbarge.com/images/speedworksS13/S13_Engine_Bay_02.jpg
and another engine bay shot from the cars days in Street Car racing, ie. last season :-)

[S14DB]

How did that drongo hook that thing up to the engine? How is the supercharger powered? I thought superchargers were for Land Barges?

[STREWTH]

Fuck U Americans Are Just Like Your President Tossers!

[RedSuns]

Fuck U Americans Are Just Like Your President Tossers!


ban for you :bowrofl:

[dtcng]

he's probably pissed that he wasnt the first to do the supercharger using a proper screw compressor unlike the roots blowers and making it work hence the drongo bit.

sure using a right sized turbo charger would work but hey its done, its works get over it champ.

you'll succeed at something someday maybe

[STREWTH]

A BAN! Ohhh No. I'm banned from this american forum that i joined just to tell you that you americans are an arrogant bunch of wankers well done PRATS!

[Phlip]

Fuck U Americans Are Just Like Your President Tossers!
Fuck YOU personally, not all australians, you arrogant bloody wanker, you DO realized that you posted pictures of different cars, right? The first one was a fastback, the second a coupe

[Phlip]

A BAN! Ohhh No. I'm banned from this american forum that i joined just to tell you that you americans are an arrogant bunch of wankers well done PRATS!
No, you're not banned yet, but the highlighted portion is good reason why you SHOULD be banned.

[S14DB]

A BAN! Ohhh No. I'm banned from this american forum that i joined just to tell you that you americans are an arrogant bunch of wankers well done PRATS!
Shut up yah larrikin Dingo Fucker. Just cause some hoon says the B word doesn't make it so. You Vic's are so uptight.


I can start to make out the outline of the roots blower under all the shiny bits. Some more info on the size and pulley system would be nice.

[FIL]

It's an SRM blower... Not sure of the exact details...

[FIL]

http://motorsport.bdg.com.au/roller.html
the supercharger in that photo is also an SRM, and that car was built by the same guys that built the Silvia...

[S14DB]

http://motorsport.bdg.com.au/roller.html
the supercharger in that photo is also an SRM, and that car was built by the same guys that built the Silvia...
Link doesn't work. But nice to know he got a Lysholm.

[FaLKoN240]

Fuck U Americans Are Just Like Your President Tossers!

You're an idiot, not all of us are war mongers, plus I made this thread because I was CURIOUS about it. So don't put me in the same category as everyone else.

Apparently I was right, for whoever the dipshits are that hated on me.

O yeah, and maybe if you used punctuation we could understand that previous statement.

[STREWTH]

Fuck YOU personally, not all australians, you arrogant bloody wanker, you DO realized that you posted pictures of different cars, right? The first one was a fastback, the second a coupe

FIRSTLY HOW DO I POST TWO PICTURES UNDER TWO DIFFERENT USERNAMES.

Australia 1
America 0

Shut up yah larrikin Dingo Fucker. Just cause some hoon says the B word doesn't make it so. You Vic's are so uptight.


I can start to make out the outline of the roots blower under all the shiny bits. Some more info on the size and pulley system would be nice.


Vic`s isnt that something u put on your chest when you catch a cold. Just another stupid american to blind to look outside his own fucking asshole

Australia 2
America 0

[*NismoS13*]

This guy's got to go. Sounds like he's just some idiot Austrailian with nothing better to do with his time to me...

Go wrestle some alligators or something lol

-Adam ;)

[STREWTH]

This guy's got to go. Sounds like he's just some idiot Austrailian with nothing better to do with his time to me...

Go wrestle some alligators or something lol

-Adam ;)


Alligators are they like pretent crocodiles or something?

[rob9246]

theres a little man under the exhaust that pedals the supercharger
just think max boost at <1500rpm and then think again. and then some more

[95zilvia]

I vote for the aussie. I think we were mean to him :(
Anyways, it's a first for me to hear of a SC'd sr20det as well.
good find 240falkon!!

[S14DB]

Vic`s isnt that something u put on your chest when you catch a cold. Just another stupid american to blind to look outside his own fucking asshole

Australia 2
America 0This isn't aerial ping pong yah skippy poofter.

[Phlip]

FIRSTLY HOW DO I POST TWO PICTURES UNDER TWO DIFFERENT USERNAMES.

Australia 1
America 0

You post pictures under 2 different user names by signing up with 2 dofferent user names, but that is against forum rules, so don't do that, you tell your Aussie friends how mean those Americans were to you, then THEY come in and post some completely different shit.
Australia 0
America 0
... there's no game going on here, Shirley.

[Xren17]

I really don't see what we said to offend STREWTH but he's entertaining. I mean who won't want a guy that goes off without trying to provide information.

[Yoshi]

wtf, how did we get from blowers and SC bits to australia vs. USA?
everyone needs to chill out and count to 10.

So did we surmise that there are no actual pix that are worth anything?

[MakotoS13]

theres a little man under the exhaust that pedals the supercharger
just think max boost at <1500rpm and then think again. and then some more

wow, this idiot has to be trolling.

[Phlip]

wtf, how did we get from blowers and SC bits to australia vs. USA?
everyone needs to chill out and count to 10.

So did we surmise that there are no actual pix that are worth anything?
It started here:
Fuck U Americans Are Just Like Your President Tossers!
... which was followed by his taking the defensive and starting the little Australia vs. USA game, but oddly enough he was only playing with himself though.

[axiomatik]

Getting back to the topic at hand, it looks like the supercharger is being driven off that extended, silver pulley visible in the last engine bay shot. Is that a longer pulley mounted on the alternator? What I want to know is why the car has two separate air intakes, one by the supercharger and one right before the throttle body. How does it maintain boost?

And for the record, everyone here is very well aware that the Silvia/240sx/200SX/180SX/ came with KA's, SR's, and CA's. Some people need to work on their sarcasm detection.

[Phlip]

Some people need to work on their sarcasm detection.
And that is what started the whole war, I am glad to see someone saw that.

[TheSnail]

Australian girls have big heads. I would still beat it though.

[tew photy]

sorry for this noobish question, but is that coupe twincharged? or did they replace the turbo for the sc? id also like to know why there are two air intakes. basically looking for some general info on how that setup actually works.

[evilimport]

I've never been called a 'tosser' before..... cool.

[TheSnail]

I dont understand the Speedworks setup, mainly because there is a intake and maf right before the intake mani. Though here is a bicharged sr that I can understand.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/565513

[FIL]

the second intake provides a route for air to pass through when the throttle butterfly is closed at high rpm and the blower is still making boost...

[smellslikecurry]

makoto shall we declare jihaad on australia???

[S14DB]

the second intake provides a route for air to pass through when the throttle butterfly is closed at high rpm and the blower is still making boost...
So, it's a wastegate?

[g2ic02]

I am not understanding that concept...why wouldn't they hook up a wastegate/bov to relieve that extra pressure instead of it running out of a filter.

[MakotoS13]

makoto shall we declare jihaad on australia???

oh hell yeah, my honarary moozlim arse is gonna kick their honorary aussie arses!

[FaLKoN240]

Dang, I made a great thread :keke:

[sLiDewAys]

why nissan seems odd

240sx- 2.4L ka24de

200sx?- 2.0 liter sr20det

180sx- 1.8L ca18det

so why is the kouki 180sx housed with sr20 from factory and why does the aeropean 200sx have a ca18det in it factory? just dont make sense i tell ya, just doesnt...

[Obsydian]

In the interests of answering serious technical questions about the supercharger setup in question:

The supercharger is an SRM positive displacement screw-type as Fil said.
It is a BIG unit, and it is mounted down below the exhaust manifold on a bracket and pulley system engineered by Alltune Engineering in combination with Speedworks here in Perth.
It is belt driven like nearly every other supercharger.
It is intercooled.
It has a throttle body on the inlet of the supercharger so that the charger runs 'in a vacuum' when the throttle is closed, the 'strange looking' setup on the intake manifold is an electronically controlled dump valve to allow compressed air in the intake system to escape, not to allow air in.
No, a BOV would not do this job properly, the majority of BOV's are pieces of crap.

Yes, it is seriously fast, and yeah they have had bugs to fix, but the bracket and pulley setup itself is absolute artwork and as someone who has had to help put this car together on a couple of occasions I can say from experience the package has been engineered to go together beautifully.

Alltune have designed the mounting system to suit all the variations of the SR20 block and head and were at one stage considering producing the package as a bolt-on kit for retail sale. No, it won't bolt onto your Pulsar or your Sunny or your Sentra or whatever, but if you pull your SR20 out and put it in an S13 it will.

Which brings me to clearing up the misunderstanding over the photos earlier. The first yellow hatchback (180SX) with "Hyperdrive" on the side of it has nothing to do with the topic of this post, that's a turbo SR20 built by Hyperdrive. The photos Fil has posted are the correct ones, although they don't show any important details (less taking photo of the chick and more taking photo of the engineering, Fil)

Regards,
Obzai

[Obsydian]

...and in addition to the post above, the photos Fil have posted are of the most recent setup, where the throttle body has been moved from behind the supercharger and put back on the intake manifold to change the throttle response (damn I shoulda noticed that earlier). So now that the supercharger isn't running in a vacuum the dump valve is held open at idle and progressively closed as throttle is applied to build boost controllably on an otherwise linear system.

A standard BOV or gate setup would not allow this level of controllability.

[Turbohead]

Should also be noted that the JUN engine in question has made over 750hp while turbocharged but as you can imagine it was very much a "top end" type of power band (originally built for drag racing). Bulk torque was needed when the engine was put in the race car for circuit racing which is why Speedworks decided to give the supercharger a try (AJ, the engineer at Speedworks had previously been developing a supercharger setup in various configs on his personal S13 for a number of years)

With the SC fitted The engine now made bulk torque from very low in the rev range to red line (9000rpm) peaking at over 440 ft-lb's

It should also be mentioned that the actual Jun motor suffered some damage at an event in Queensland a month or so back so the engine setup seen running in the vid at the start of this thread was actually a freshened up stock as a rock SR20 with all the bolt ons attached - thus allowing Jimmah to get some driving practice in the car.

[Turbohead]

And in typical "Speedworks - think outside the square"

Obsydian drives a S13 Silvia fitted with a Nissan 4.0l V8 with a future aim to supercharge that as well...

[Pank]

well, its good to know that the hottest australian model they could get was still really fucking ugly.

[Phlip]

^^^ Now where were these Australian guys when that other dude decided to call us all arrogant and be a dick towards us? They have provided actually valuable information.

[Obsydian]

well, its good to know that the hottest australian model they could get was still really fucking ugly.

Amen to that.

[Turbohead]

well, its good to know that the hottest australian model they could get was still really fucking ugly.

Go easy... it was a car club track day and you cant be to picky when it comes to chicks willing to get their gear off for some photos of a car...

There is an old indian saying.... "Who looks at the mantle when stoking the fire..."

and she does have a nice rack......

[S14DB]

Any build pictures?

[dtcng]

photo of said engine

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/dtcng/SRengine1.jpg

[S14DB]

photo of said engine

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/dtcng/SRengine1.jpg
ah, must better picture Thank You.

[Turbohead]

Good work DeathTrap.... That photo should quieten up the doubters and assist the interested.

[S14DB]

Wondering why the throttle body isn't before the blower with a vacuum bypass?

[dtcng]

the photo posted is of the first design and setup

[smellslikecurry]

oh hell yeah, my honarary moozlim arse is gonna kick their honorary aussie arses!


yess...ill round up my cousins


australia :rl:

[Turbohead]

yess...ill round up my cousins


C'mon guys - I thought we had moved this thread past that sort of thing....

But since you brought it up it should be mentioned that Australians are about the only nationallity that the US Marines havent blown up in Iraq yet. Us Aussies are hard to target :x:

[orion::S14]

photo of said engine

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/dtcng/SRengine1.jpg

VERY nice...WELL DONE.

...

And "dtcng", and "Obsydian"...Welcome to Zilvia, and thank you for the tech info.

- Brian

[Phlip]

C'mon guys - I thought we had moved this thread past that sort of thing....

But since you brought it up it should be mentioned that Australians are about the only nationallity that the US Marines havent blown up in Iraq yet. Us Aussies are hard to target :x:
It's a matter of comparative interests, there ain't shit in Australia worth liberating. :D

[oO0OthinkO0Oo]

i hope the engeneering that has been going into this awsome car would someday turn into supercharger kits... haha it would be a new frontier

[Var]

Vic`s isnt that something u put on your chest when you catch a cold. Just another stupid american to blind to look outside his own fucking asshole

Australia 2
America 0

lol.. i thought this was especially cute.

Autralia 2 up on the USA :w00t:


This is the first time i've seen a roots blower steup like this. The only way i've seen it is directly mounted to the intake manifold. I didnt even know this was a possibility. This completely destroys all theories that a KA cant be supercharged. You dont need it to fit on the intake. Sweet Jesus i like it.

[BillKlineVT]

That's some damn fine engineering right there! Obsydian, are you the guy working with Lucas (BadBiki) on his new daughterboards? Your screenname seems familiar from his message board. Anyhow, welcome aussies, and sweet pics - can't doubt factual evidence!

[FIL]

Bill: yeah.. thats them :-)