My first drift event

[Ian]

Backstory:
the day before, my Nismo 2 way throws a tooth through the pumpkin on the highway. 4.5 hours later, in the rain, i swapped a J30 VLSD that was borrowed from a friend and delivered 1 hour away from home to me.

http://x400.putfile.com/videos/19622143379.wmv

right click and save if you're interested to see how i did. I'm happy with how i did considering this was the first time i've ever driven on a VLSD w/ the taller gears. Also, my clutch is on it's way out...spec stage 2= :cry:

i dont expect any positive input at all but i'll be happy to hear any you have to say. Please, criticize all you want as well. :goyou:


EDIT

for clarification, it's not in any specific order...the first "run" was on a yellow caution cuz there were a few cars on course at once. The 2nd one, i slipped lol...i should get gloves

[s134]

first run, you clucked, then after you left the turn then went BACK into the dirt, well you lcucked then too.. but i love your entrances , badass vid

[Mervyn]

i like the third run.. even though the exit looked 'lazy'. but nice vid.

[240silvia]

Nice man, keep it up and you'll be D1, lol. Good job, practice makes perfect!

[mr_240sx]

good job man!! keep pu the practice time and you will see an iomprovement in your drifting skills!

[srpowered240sx]

good shit, awesome on the entrances.

[Sil Beer S13]

How much power are you making?

Initiate earlier.

Other than that good job. Keep it on the track.

[aznpoopy]

i dont expect any positive input at all but i'll be happy to hear any you have to say. Please, criticize all you want as well.


dude what are you talking about...

first drift event?

it looks like you did great! :D

[s134]

initiate earlier? he was completely loose, and sideways wayy before the apex, most of these kids thing drifitng is powersliding out of a turn

[TurDz]

first drift event? wow....nice.

i know what he means by initiate earlier, but that's pretty tough.

[bboyoracle]

Nice job Ian :rawk:

[Ian]

woo WOO!!!

i was totally expecting to get flamed. That turn is a double apex so people can clarify. It comes off of a long straight (we were told to keep speeds down to prevent bunching w/ slower cars). It's a mid-high 3rd gear corner, that has a small crest and changes from up to downhill and a tighter high 2nd gear/low 3rd gear turn. Initiation could have been earlier but my clutch was not doin so hot. I was initiating about 10 ft before i come into camera view. I'm gonna be getting a nice clutch soon, my friend told me silkroad makes a "drift" clutch that's like dual friction or something. I wanna get something very strong that will hold up to my clutch kicking action.


EDIT

http://www.pahillclimb.org/graphics/Jeffer2.jpg
it's turns 6 and 7

[IGSDann]

Looked very good, I don't know much about mad driftin skillz but I did enjoy watching it so I say you did good!

[spoonfed]

thumbs up!

[Flybert]

Seeing as how it was your first event you did fine but you have a lot to improve on.

THINGS YOU DID WELL

1. Getting the car sideways

2. Quick Countersteering to prevent spinout



THINGS YOU SHOULD TRY AT YOUR NEXT EVENT

1. Go faster - It's more fun and will make you a better driver.

2. Keep your revs up - From the looks of the video, your RPM's seem below 4500 and it looks like you are having trouble spinning the tires. Seeing as how your car is turbocharged, you should be making smoke, and if you are making tire smoke, you are high in the revs (5000+) You mentioned something about a low 3rd initiation or something like that. If you are going to initiate in 3rd at low RPM's, you need to quickly shift to second as you shave speed so you can keep those revs up.

3. Initiate earlier - from the looks of it, we shouldn't even be able to see you initiate in the video. You should always start your drift in the straight (between 6 and 7) and make sure the initial angle is shallow in order to maintain speed and distance. Once you make it to the turn, then you increase angle.

4. Learn to use your ebrake to initiate and correct your line.

5. Sit shotty with other drivers that are better than you. This helped me the most.

[Ian]

awesome, finally a post to tell me what to improve on lol.

i havent gotten many shotgun rides, i watch videos to try and see what the pros do, but this is nothing compared to feeling the car i know. The reason i wasnt making much smoke is plainly because these tires were kinda dryrotted and nasty. On other tires, i make much more smoke. I wasnt saying i was initiating low 3rd gear, i was saying it's between a high 2nd gear and low 3rd gear entry for the corner (grip driving). I appreciate your comments and i'll definately try to get some ride alongs for pointers. Going faster will come along when i get my 2way back in (i think i'll be able to put more power down) i'll also be getting a 3 puck exedy clutch soon and some better tires all around for more overall grip. I was havin some trouble getting the front end to bite when i was going faster.


EDIT

lol after reading your post again i needed to point something out to you. What you were watching is my entry into 6...linked to 7...those two turns are my whole drift :2f2f:

[Flybert]

Yeah, i wasn't sure if it was both.

Oh yeah, to clarify my e-brake advice. Try using it to initiate and to adjust angle so that you feel natural using it. For the most part, I use e-brake initiation only if I'm on a narrow straight and I want to start my drift ridiculously early. It's hard on the tires and creates mad flat spots, but it looks pimp when you pull it off nicely. It's also good to be able to use the ebrake in order to adjust your line outwards to hit apexes properly and prevent dropping into the dirt on the inside of the track.

[TurK]

bahahah awesome video i love the begining

[s134]

e-brake is for idiots, and is defnintaly not a a valid way to initiate drift. good job going ti the way you do, the last few runs had awesome entrasnces, given that u had a "new to you " diff and new track... goodjob fuck the flamers

[p11driver]

e-brake is for idiots, and is defnintaly not a a valid way to initiate drift. good job going ti the way you do, the last few runs had awesome entrasnces, given that u had a "new to you " diff and new track... goodjob fuck the flamers
yes e-brake is for idiots......
ofcourse e-brake can be used to initiate drift. and it is an excellent way to learn as a beginer.

[SochBAT]

y isn't it a valid way to initiate drifts? Are there rules and regulations on how-to, or the one 'correct' way to initiate? I doubt it.

Great vid, no sound cuz im using the work computer's speakers for the ipod.

Personally, for a turn like that, i'd start with a clutchkick, to break the tires loose, then ebrake to get angle n carry it thru. Makes me wanna hurry and get my car back to running condition. And for your first drift event, you did pretty damn good. I've seen others get nervous and fuck up way worse.

[Ian]

hehe that wasnt my first drift...i didnt start going off until the end of the day when my clutch was going south...then i was just going ridiculously fast into the corner then braking/ebraking (or at least trying) so i was goin a little too hot into the 2nd tighter corner and losing it lol


by the end of the day i was initiating at about 75mph...I need to learn to react faster...i'm sure it'll come with practice and a better differential lol...then i'll be able to pull that off properly...if my steering had been better in that one where i went WAY off the track, i bet it woulda been pretty nice

[DrIvEsldEwAyS]

nice..keep it up

[s134]

you're just not cool if that's how you initiate :)

[Flybert]

e-brake is for idiots, and is defnintaly not a a valid way to initiate drift.

Just disregard anything this guy says about drift from now on.

[s134]

lol ok flybert!, you and your cool car club! sorry comment may have been personal opinion, but no i do not use e-brake to initiate, ever. i do however use it sometimes to sustain and prolong slides..

[Ian]

well just to butt in...when watching D1 and even Formula D guys, they use Ebrake ALOT to initiate...that's how they initiate so early i think

[Flybert]

For the most part, you use ebrake to initiate only when there are narrow straights because you can't afford to push in towards the inside during a clutch kick. I find that I use it a lot in the mountains where there isn't too much room for error or on narrow sections of the track, like turn 1 at the Balcony and a few turns at Buttonwillow raceway.

[SochBAT]

To each his own. And yea, D1 drivers n F-D drivers do use ebrake to initiate really early the break the tires out. Its all on preferrence. But making that loud statement about 'ebrake is for idiots' makes Zilvians think twice about your experience with drifting, so next time, you should state its your opinion, rather than a fact.

See, not all Zilvian's are asses.

Think of the ebrake as an angle adjuster, cuz thats what it is. if you are a tiresmoke fiend, bleach them tires n rev high! Im more of a speed/angle lover. So i crash alot.

Whats your setup?

[JaeTea]

Impressive for your first event!! I've been to about 4-5 events and still suck dick. :werd:

Any practice before going to this? Parking lots...that crap?

Also what track was this?

[Al_S14]

looks awesome was even better inperson . i was standign righ near that barrier when you came in to the grass ....got to tell you it felt funny having a car come at you that quick hehe

[jy116]

yeh nice job... everytime i go fast [3rd gear] i spin... For me, maybe too much turn in, too slow counter, OR CRAP tires...

so i wonder, what tires were u using [size, brand/model]?

[Maeda]

Just disregard anything this guy says about drift from now on.

Seriously. How do you think long slides are done then?

oh btw
Flyberto: I suck at drifting. I had a nice crash into the fence after major understeer into brake lock. I figured out how initiating works after Mark helped me fix my car (said it was undrivable with snap over). All in all I still suck though, although I did get a few nice 2nd gear e-brakes that went off track back to on track, and a 3rd gear into 2nd on the main turn.

[Flybert]

Seriously. How do you think long slides are done then?

oh btw
Flyberto: I suck at drifting. I had a nice crash into the fence after major understeer into brake lock. I figured out how initiating works after Mark helped me fix my car (said it was undrivable with snap over). All in all I still suck though, although I did get a few nice 2nd gear e-brakes that went off track back to on track, and a 3rd gear into 2nd on the main turn.

Were you still rocking bald front tires? How did you and Mark change your car setup?

[JaeTea]

everytime i go fast [3rd gear] i spin...

Yep same with me. The faster I go the higher the chance of me spinning out and making myself look like a douche.

Try countersteering earlier...at least thats the advice I was given.

[SochBAT]

i TRY to start countersteering as i feel the rear slip out. But i guess i still can't drive well, or my reaction time, and knowledge of how-to get outta crashes isn't high enuff.

Needless to say, Boulder:3, Me:1

[Flybert]

Once you get enough track time under your belt, your body does shit without you thinking about it. If you aren't countersteering quick enough remember that when you drift, you should have a loose grip on the wheel because you have to let go of the wheel frequently and let it slip through your fingers. I remember that when I first started, I found it easiest to actually throw the wheel when i began to countersteer because I had to make up for my slow reaction to the rear wheels slipping out.

Eventually, you'll develop different techniques in your countersteer methods depending on the situation. Each method is dependant on an individual basis and the type of car you drive. My best advice would be to just KEEP PRACTICING!!!

[Wei240]

impressive,
most beginners i see understeer/plow or powerover...

a general note:
(pretty basic but not intuitive for some people), keep both hands on steering wheel, kinda hard to countersteer w/ one hand, i know a lot of people daily drive/force of habit to drive w/ just the left hand on the steering wheel, so when they're countersteering, reaction is kinda slow since the right hand is on the shifter....

[Maeda]

Were you still rocking bald front tires? How did you and Mark change your car setup?

Hellllll no.

Bridgestone RE730's baby. My fronts were sticky.
More negative camber in the front, with a little more toe out too.

I changed the wheels in the rear from a 17x10 with a 224\45 to a 17x9 with 225\45. Stiffened up the damper in the rear, and actually checked my tire pressure for once. =)

After this I didn't have snap oversteer.

[jononioo]

please post your setup and some numbers if you have any!!! what kinda BOV is that...it sounds soooo nice!?!??!?!?

[Ian]

just got home from the DR...what a trip lol

numbers on my car and such...

Suspension:
Megan Racing Coilovers
Battle Version RUCA
SPL front swaybar endlinks
SPL Tension Rods
Aluminum Rear Subframe Bushings

SR w/ bolt ons
FMIC, downpipe, turbo outlet, exhaust, boost controller, etc...250whp or so

Tire size was 225/45/17 all around, 8" wheels up front and 9" on the back

J30 VLSD in the video, but usually it's a Nismo Street 2way