Joining the "other" bandwagon

[Var]

I've been noticing a lot lately that people are getting rid of their 240's. Before this becomes the cool thing to do, i've decided to get rid of both my 240's so i can say i did it BEFORE it was cool. Anyways..the pink car is almost fully parted out. Most of the remaining parts are spoken for, and today if all goes well i'll be selling my daily driver black s13. My beloved first s13. Man i had some good times in this thing. Learned a lot about driving and it never failed me once.

To be honest, i never thought i would feel this way about cars. At first i was stoked about daily driving a loud stiff car with a roll cage and really good handling. Now i dont care so much . I realized the problem when i went to a few drift events this year with pinky. I realized that pretty much both my cars are halfway between racecars and street cars as far as practicality and performance. The pink car..low on power and i dont feel like messing with turbocharged engines. The black car..just too fuckin loud and stiff. No sound deadening or carpet. High miles on the engine. Time to let them go.

So i got an FC to build into a full-out drift car, and i'm gonna finance a newer car to drive around. I still got the suburban to tow with, and i wont be paying for my mom's accord anymore cause she got a used BMW. So i can pay monthly for my own car.


So now that i'm a few hours away from not owning any 240's, i find it funny that i renewed my premium membership just a couple hours ago cause Zilvia kicks so much ass.


Here's what it's come down to for my new car

1999+ C5 Corvette

2002+ Honda S2000


Both these car are about the same price range. I am planning on supercharging either one within a couple months of buying it. I'm going to a dealer auction with a dealer friend next wedensday and i hope i find a good deal on one.

I've driven both cars..the S2000 definitely is more nimble but the car isnt built nearly as strong as the vette. But the interior quality is much better. People have been known to break drivetrain parts when driving hard on them.

The vette..They designed the interior of the car the day before it came out. It's pretty crappy and visibility over the hood isn't that great. But the chassis and drivetrain get no complaints from me.


Supercharger specs.
Vortech Kit for the S2000 costs about 4300 with the intercooler. Average dyno numbers are 290 whp with 188ft/lb @ 7psi. It would be putting even more stress on a weaker drivetrain but since the torque is only up 35ft/lb from stock, that may help it last.

ATI procharger kit for the corvette costs about 6000 with the twin intercooler setup, fuel injectors, and a handheld ECU reflashing tool. Comes with everything necessary for the install. This kit also pushes only 7psi and ATI claims 530whp with this kit.

Either car would need a clutch upgrade and better brake pads, but i think both cars have sufficient braking systems in general. Both cars are in the 22-25k price range and hopefully under 20k at the auction. What would you get and why?

Dont say cause one's american or japanese, cause i know that. I've driven both cars and considered most of the obvious reasons. I'm leaning towards the corvette right now because obviously..the power and looks. And the other reason is the s2000's arent really proven yet. The highest mileage one i've seen for sale had only 70k on it. I think the corvette mechanically will last longer cause it's built tougher and it's available in standard hardtop.

[Maeda]

Whoah shit its cool to get rid of your 240?

I better ditch mine asap.

Get the Honda. IMO.

[go240]

i love s2k's! smaller cars appeal to me and besides, it seems like everyone has a vette these days - go with the H, i have no complaints with mine (except that its slow and fwd)

[lucky7]

i love s2k's! smaller cars appeal to me and besides, it seems like everyone has a vette these days - go with the H, i have no complaints with mine (except that its slow and fwd)

:keke: and obviously not an S2K. hehe.

honda. vettes are piles of shit. (my worthless opinion) people drive them in the snow here.. S2k looks better too! i wouldnt exactly say the vette has a more "durable" drivetrain. i would never say that about a GM vehicle. just not my cup of tea. i am shocked you arent getting into a 4 door. something different than your loud/stiff 240. hmmm.

[TheSnail]

Now you know why I got rid of the 26. It was far to close to being a race car then anything any sane person would drive on the street. My past fasination on stripping out a car to the extreem earned the term here on Voyaing a car or stripping a car until its a metal box on wheels. My last one, was just too much. Not fun. Drive it for 30min and you mentally cant drive it any more. It was as fast as a flying ass monkey, but you could not relax and drive it. It was not a car. To this day I dont know what it was. So I sold it and bought a stock mr2 turbo to finally have a nice daily driver. after a week I dropped 2gs in mods, 50 more hp and it bored me. I sold that crap after my first race in it (lost to a beatup f-body). I bought another 240. I could not help myself. My gf was pissed, but I assured her this one would be diff. I wanted it because I could have a dd with alot more power then the mr2 with alot less money. + plus I really missed the FR drivetrain after working on the mr2. I went with a s15 SR to keep it a nice DD, but Ive started to strip it out already and got a supercharger for it. I have a sickness, I have tryed to get away from it unsucessfuly. I hope you can deal with it better then I can. My GF is leaving me.

[Var]

i wouldnt exactly say the vette has a more "durable" drivetrain. i would never say that about a GM vehicle. .


GM vehicles have good drivetrains. Plus it was relative to the S2k. Corvette owners dont complain about broken diffs or transmissions. Dont let bias blind you friend.

[fastpace]

I've been noticing a lot lately that people are getting rid of their 240's. Before this becomes the cool thing to do, i've decided to get rid of both my 240's so i can say i did it BEFORE it was cool. Anyways..the pink car is almost fully parted out. Most of the remaining parts are spoken for, and today if all goes well i'll be selling my daily driver black s13. My beloved first s13. Man i had some good times in this thing. Learned a lot about driving and it never failed me once.

To be honest, i never thought i would feel this way about cars. At first i was stoked about daily driving a loud stiff car with a roll cage and really good handling. Now i dont care so much . I realized the problem when i went to a few drift events this year with pinky. I realized that pretty much both my cars are halfway between racecars and street cars as far as practicality and performance. The pink car..low on power and i dont feel like messing with turbocharged engines. The black car..just too fuckin loud and stiff. No sound deadening or carpet. High miles on the engine. Time to let them go.

So i got an FC to build into a full-out drift car, and i'm gonna finance a newer car to drive around. I still got the suburban to tow with, and i wont be paying for my mom's accord anymore cause she got a used BMW. So i can pay monthly for my own car.


So now that i'm a few hours away from not owning any 240's, i find it funny that i renewed my premium membership just a couple hours ago cause Zilvia kicks so much ass.


Here's what it's come down to for my new car

1999+ C5 Corvette

2002+ Honda S2000


Both these car are about the same price range. I am planning on supercharging either one within a couple months of buying it. I'm going to a dealer auction with a dealer friend next wedensday and i hope i find a good deal on one.

I've driven both cars..the S2000 definitely is more nimble but the car isnt built nearly as strong as the vette. But the interior quality is much better. People have been known to break drivetrain parts when driving hard on them.

The vette..They designed the interior of the car the day before it came out. It's pretty crappy and visibility over the hood isn't that great. But the chassis and drivetrain get no complaints from me.


Supercharger specs.
Vortech Kit for the S2000 costs about 4300 with the intercooler. Average dyno numbers are 290 whp with 188ft/lb @ 7psi. It would be putting even more stress on a weaker drivetrain but since the torque is only up 35ft/lb from stock, that may help it last.

ATI procharger kit for the corvette costs about 6000 with the twin intercooler setup, fuel injectors, and a handheld ECU reflashing tool. Comes with everything necessary for the install. This kit also pushes only 7psi and ATI claims 530whp with this kit.

Either car would need a clutch upgrade and better brake pads, but i think both cars have sufficient braking systems in general. Both cars are in the 22-25k price range and hopefully under 20k at the auction. What would you get and why?

Dont say cause one's american or japanese, cause i know that. I've driven both cars and considered most of the obvious reasons. I'm leaning towards the corvette right now because obviously..the power and looks. And the other reason is the s2000's arent really proven yet. The highest mileage one i've seen for sale had only 70k on it. I think the corvette mechanically will last longer cause it's built tougher and it's available in standard hardtop.


Man oh man, selling the 240 crossed my mind, but I realize that I am making pretty good money now and can afford to make it what I want. The 240 will be a track/autox car and will soon get a honda eg hatch for killer gas mileage. In 6-7 months I also plan to get a cool daily driver and it will be a frc corvette. To me it is simply the best bang for the buck. In my area I can find a 1999/2000 vette for 20-24k. The main difference in the price is gas mileage. A s2k is a nice car, but I just feel that the vette will be the more fun daily driver and can pretty much do whatever you want once you start modding it. I don't know why people don't look at vettes more if they are going to spend 20k+ on a car, but it is really hard to find a car for what it can do for that amount of money.

[Stock-S13]

C5, are Z06's an option? Those things are fucking SEX!

Personally im going to buy a bike, I tire of dailying the RS13... Besides Gas is stuipdly expensive, bike is a viable option.

[FaLKoN240]

I was gonna say VETTE, but then I remembered gas. . .But still, for you, VETTE, the S2K looks too small for you anyways.

[Var]

S2k 21city/25freeway

vette 18city/28freeway

not too far off.

[aznpoopy]

i almost sold my S14 to buy a FC a short while back

i opted to stick it out with the 240 and put in a fresh KA

i would probably get rid of the 240 for a clean turbo II though, or a n/a GTU.

luckily for the 240 both of those choices are pretty rare.

[originalsin]

wat about a 350z/g35 coupe??

[JtWo]

C5! C5! C5! Viper Killer. Viper Killer. LOL.

[Var]

The 350Z looks like a bubble, i dont like it at all and i wont consider it. The G35 seems ok but they are a little more expensive than i think it's worth(by about 8-10k). I'll keep an eye out at the auction tho. I dont like how the chassis is built either..it's like an old chassis design with a lot of bracing. I've ridden in ones with 40k miles and they car feels worn out already. Plus they are front heavy.

[lucky7]

GM vehicles have good drivetrains. Plus it was relative to the S2k. Corvette owners dont complain about broken diffs or transmissions. Dont let bias blind you friend.


its just something about them. i hate them with a passion. we (my family) seem to have a long history of bad luck with them. plus the styling of the corvette is nothing to write home about imho. i would never have the option of eithor one for a daily driver since i live in michigan, where the snow is lethal on occasion. im going for a small truck/suv next year. simply because i can get a manual tranny. toyota 4runner/tacoma for me. dont let me be a downer. i was actually contemplating an S2K for myself. i do love those cars. then again, i am a honda owner who has never ever been let down. again, best of luck. :bow:

[Phlip]

GM vehicles have good drivetrains. Plus it was relative to the S2k. Corvette owners dont complain about broken diffs or transmissions. Dont let bias blind you friend.
I am agreeing here, GM skimps on INTERIOR fit & finish, seeming to sacrifice this so you have a bomb-proof drivetrain.

[91CRXsiR]

miata - it takes a confident man to drive one =)

[cali240sxdrifter]

Yeah, I was on the same boat as you West. I test drove the S, EVO, 350z, and the TL i think it was or the TSX. All were in my budget of around 20-24 grand. All where nice, but I got this baby and well, pictures speak more than words.

http://djdorifto.sytes.net/Pictures/BMS%20Pics/oldbaby.jpg
http://djdorifto.sytes.net/Pictures/BMS%20Pics/front.jpg
http://djdorifto.sytes.net/Pictures/BMS%20Pics/front4.jpg


I got it for 20500 its a 00, with only 10656miles at the time I got it. It now has like 11200 something after like 3 weeks of owning it. I can't stop driving it, its such a cool car and its really rare here in Melbourne, Fl. So i get constant head turns and people telling me nice car. I guess hispanic people dont have nice cars here lol. But yeah it was time for a more newer car for me. I'm going off to University in the Spring and I won't have a garage or tools to work on my car.

Get the S man, you'll love it.


****edit***** also, come on http://s2ki.com/forums/ there are quite a few people with 70k+ miles on the S's some up to 100k and they are still going strong.

[Inland180]

its starting to become a hard decision!!!

[Drunk Bastard]

get the vette. no discussion :boink:

[boosteds13]

Funny you mention this, my friend just put the A&A Corvette Procharger kit on his '01 Z06. With the LQ4 heads, a mild cam, and otherwise stock motor, here is the dyno sheet... @ 8psi
http://www.escic.com/misc/vettedyno.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/BBaxR6/Picture229.jpg

[019]

it's kinda funny. one of my friends was debating btwn the same exact cars a few months ago. he was sold on the s2k when he drove one, but ended up getting a good deal on a z06 and couldn't pass it up. i would personally get the s2k. i love the nimbleness of it. i don't care much for more power. the s2k is plenty fast already, but yes, the drivetrain (or more specifically, the diff) can suck. i've seen quite a few break on people that were just autoxing and not really launching them. one thing that you could consider, and that has been done now, is that you could get an s2k and putting an r200 in there. the guy that has done the swap is planning on making a kit, i believe, so that's something to think about as well

[Macadoshus]

I've driven both cars..the S2000 definitely is more nimble but the car isnt built nearly as strong as the vette. But the interior quality is much better. People have been known to break drivetrain parts when driving hard on them.


Yep the drivetrain does suck. About every part of my drivetrain has been broken, sometimes twice, got a busted driveshaft at the moment.

[sykikchimp]

This is one of the reasons why I don't think I'll ever gut my car. I was actually thinking about pulling out the old sound deadening, and putting in new, better sound deadening.

basically restore/upgrade. Not just race out. Kind of like what they do to make the "super snake" mustangs that look just like "Elenor" from "Gone in 60 Seconds".

What about German cars? You can get a low mileage 99' E36 M3 vert' for under 20G's these days.

[autobahNESSA]

Get the Vet Var. Vet is much more comfortable daily driving. Ass loads of torque right off the line. S2k you have to rev up. I talked to many s2k owners. They all complain about how little torque it has, and how high they have to rev the thing just to go any where. Daily driving they hate it. But they love it when the road is open. A vet u just release the clutch, and ur cruising with traffic (you know what I mean). Their is a lot more potential for the vett too. Eventually it will get older, and u will restore and upgrade it. Hell you already want to supercharge it. Get the vett. And remeber, Let me drive it haha. :bigok:

[HyperTek]

dude a corvette is a corvette, which would pull more women?? hehe.. Well I always was a fan of the corvettes.

[Yoshi]

Vette. No question.
bad interior? sure. but who cares? what's easier to customize than your interior? c'mon now... too many JDM nuthuggers here :P hehee

I was a huge S2000 fan.... til I drove one :(

Vette all the way... Z06! Mmmmmm

[Var]

What about German cars? You can get a low mileage 99' E36 M3 vert' for under 20G's these days.


Being in the business of fixing cars, i've decided that german cars arent for me. I dont like the way they are built. They are only good for the first owner and Bimmers have a bunch of electrical problems. I drove an E36 M3 for the first time just 2 months ago. It had low miles. The car felt really solid but the engine was pinging on 91 octane up till about 3k rpm. I still wonder why german engines are built to run so hot. I dont like it. Even at wholesale costs for parts, and free labor, it's still too expensive to maintain.


edit: and the transmission and clutch on bimmers feel like SHIT!!..holy hell.

[ZK]

I am debating getting a new car as well as my S13 blew the motor for the 2nd time in less than a year. Plus this time it was supposed to be bulletproof (yeah right). I am stuck here with no car to drive at all until it gets fixed. (about a month...) I've dumped assloads of money into it which I will never get back. But I am starting to think it is time for a new car.

So I am thinking a mediocre daily driver (read: boring 4 door) that is reliable and keep the S13 or part out the S13 and get a more expensive fun, fast car. Currently considering the Evo or an STI.

[Var]

i thought you bought an S2k?

[Wei240]

to each their own
drive whatever makes you happy
i thought about how unpractical my 240 is,
but i don't care, car is old,.. it's a fun beater car

[ZK]

i thought you bought an S2k?

No... my friend did, I got to ride in it.

Incredible car.. the guy who he bought it from was some INSANE collector. 2002 model with 8000 miles for 24K, the car was mint condition. Everything super clean and detailed. He even took off the wheels, detailed the fender liner, suspension bits as well as under the car and he'd wiped the inside of the exhaust tips clean! It was better than new condition. Garaged with a car cover and never driven in the rain. From what the guy said most of the time he'd take the cover off, quick detail it and then put the car cover back on over the weekend. He kept the steering wheel and shift knob in plastic wrap so the oil from his hand wouldn't mess up the leather! Floor mats turned upside down to keep the floormats clean... INSANE.

[Var]

Did you guys check for the spring spacers yet? some( a lot) of s2k's have the spring spacers still installed from shipping when they were brand new and it causes a stiff ride and unpredictable handling.

[ZK]

Did you guys check for the spring spacers yet? some( a lot) of s2k's have the spring spacers still installed from shipping when they were brand new and it causes a stiff ride and unpredictable handling.

I have no idea. What does it look like? The car is pretty stiff but I thought the car itself is pretty stiff to begin with. Knowing the previous owner he'd leave everything in original condition as it came from the dealer. The only thing not original as it came from the dealer on that car is the motor oil and gasoline.

I'd actually want the S2K but again.. I dont like convertibles.

[Var]

they are rubber spacers between the coils of the springs. they are actually hard to see cause they can be on the inside on the coilover too. I would put the car up on a jack and check for them. The car comes with like 35 spacers from the factory..if you look on s2k forums you will see people found up to 25 of them still installed!!

[SimpleS14]

If its a Z06 your eyeing....go for it. If not...just go with the S2000. I've been thinking about getting one myself since it would be a reliable car, good interior and look nice in white (or yellow) with a hardtop.

[Breezy]

z06 kicks ass. my uncle was debating on what car to get for his daily driver and he had this same delima for a time but then he decided that, like has been said before, the s2000 has such little, low end torque and the vette is chock full of power all the way through the powerband and plus, z06's, and c5's are Y!!!
he was gonna get a c5 because of bang for buck but found a great deal on a z06.

good luck on your decision.

[MakotoS13]

:keke: and obviously not an S2K. hehe.

honda. vettes are piles of shit. (my worthless opinion) people drive them in the snow here.. S2k looks better too! i wouldnt exactly say the vette has a more "durable" drivetrain. i would never say that about a GM vehicle. just not my cup of tea. i am shocked you arent getting into a 4 door. something different than your loud/stiff 240. hmmm.

your opinion is completely irrelevant due to one fact:

corvettes are better than hondas

the end. s2k is a nice car but in no way does it compete with a vette on any level (aside from maybe interior quality, but you can jack off to that or high performance, take your pick).

corvettes have been stomping supercars for decades. hondas are fuggin hondas. pfft, i see no choice here. i see inevitability.

[theicecreamdan]

what about a slightly older NSX?

Vette has my vote though. YUMMY

[boosteds13]

what about a slightly older NSX?

Vette has my vote though. YUMMY

Slightly older? Mid to early 90's still hover in the mid 20's to low 30's depending on condition. My friend got his '01 Z06 last year for $27k and it had 24k miles on it.

[infinitexsound]

ummm vette or s2k iono tough call..... VAR are u gonna go get some sugar cookies later? are u a sugar cookie getter? umm i say vette.... last time i worked on a vette, i had to pull the rear bumper off.. and daymn those bumpers are fukn huge.....

[kazuo]

I read in the newest ish of Top Gear that the Vette's interior was designed and finalized literally days before the car shipped.

They spent half the article bitching about how the car could come with such a crappy interior for its price (and blamed it on us Yanks), and then praised the vehicle in practically all other aspects.

[Saisoku]

My roomate has a nicely modded S2k,its a great car.If not one of those...buy a Lotus Elise. ;)

[Var]

Already looked into it. The asking price is about 15k over msrp at dealers. Plus even if i were to get one at msrp, it's twice as much as i want to spend.

[420sx]

the vette. come on, s2k vs a vette??? meh. so uneven.

[zeek]

vette hands down, literallly no problems whatsoever from them, GREAT powertrain, easy as hell to daily drive. And pretty easy to work on.

[Rich_S14]

Get the S2000

they are rubber spacers between the coils of the springs. they are actually hard to see cause they can be on the inside on the coilover too. I would put the car up on a jack and check for them. The car comes with like 35 spacers from the factory..if you look on s2k forums you will see people found up to 25 of them still installed!!

I've seen these spacers on the showroom models. I always wondered what would happen if the dealer left them on a customer's car by accident.

[cali240sxdrifter]

Get the S2000



I've seen these spacers on the showroom models. I always wondered what would happen if the dealer left them on a customer's car by accident.



I still have yet checked the rear ones for the spacers. But I think I don't have any because with all the books and service manual came the tag that warns about the spacers.

With the spacers on, people notice a stiffer ride, above 12mph damage can occur.

[lucky7]

your opinion is completely irrelevant due to one fact:

corvettes are better than hondas

the end. s2k is a nice car but in no way does it compete with a vette on any level (aside from maybe interior quality, but you can jack off to that or high performance, take your pick).

corvettes have been stomping supercars for decades. hondas are fuggin hondas. pfft, i see no choice here. i see inevitability.

your opinion is completely irrelevant. reading many of your posts, you are the type that get off on a chevy small block. hey i live in detroit, im used to it. you can tell a person works for GM when they drive a vette. generally its the guy sitting up on his high horse, driving his corvette that would make a statement such as this: "hondas are fuggin hondas. pfft, i see no choice here." you are obviously an open minded person.. this really is going nowhere. i will happily stick with my "fuggin hondas" and i will have fun in the process. best of luck to you sir and your v8 envy. i am off to woodward ave (heard of it?) to watch some big blocks shake the shit out of my fuggin honda. should be another good night. :bow:

[that180guy]

:werd:
honestly, balls power + decent handling + new car = 350z (even if they do look lik "bubbles") im not particularly fond of how they look. or mrk IV supras. i hate those, theyre ugly, supar hyped up, over priced, etc. but they perform, they perform very well, indeed.

vettes are awesome and respectable. fuckin handle and step on the gas a bit more, turn ur racing line into a drifting line, easy. but i dont lik em, so meh.

[kandyflip445]

I like the s2k a LOT.

Never driven a vette though.

It all comes down to what you want anyways. ;)

[johngriff]

the better is, Are you single? S2000 = O P-Tang. It's still a honda, you will turn way more heads in a vette, especially if you are not balding.

Both cars are ok, but i consider them both pretty big piles, the s2000 has a mediocre drivetrain compared to other "sports cars" around. And the Vette is still fibreglass on an A frame. A frame = no handlin.

Cars I would consider as "floss" daily drivers.

Cadilac CTS VSpec with Good wheel tire combo (suede leather black interior? cummon)

G35 (obviolusly)

Pontiac GTO (the new 400HP version)

Ok, so you said you're getting an FC as a race car? Very cool but...

This could just be me, I've been driving the 240 on the track and street now for like 6 years, and when i jump in almost any FC, and really start shifting weight corner to corner, i get phsically ill.

This is not me talking ish, I do. You've seen the old science experiment showing the center of gravity represented by a bucket being swung in a circle with water in it? I've alway pictured myself driving/drifting as being the center(hand) and the rear wheels being the end of the string(bucket). I position the bucket where i want it to go and try to place it there.

The TII places you so much further towards the rear wheels, it must be some kind of inner ear thing with me, I just cant put any 2nd gen where i want it... trip out?

Then again, my TII friends drive my cars and say, what the hell, thats why you can do this, this is so easy to get sideways! Or, they keep awquardly adjusting the slider on the seat..(lol).

I guess, make sure you drive the 2nd gen around for a while before you buy one, 1st gen and 3 gen dont to this to me though (again trip out?)

lates

[420sx]

^^^well your not supposed to hit up the bong before driving a car anyway....

[Var]

the better is, Are you single?
yes

S2000 = O P-Tang. It's still a honda, you will turn way more heads in a vette, especially if you are not balding.
Agree

Both cars are ok, but i consider them both pretty big piles
Disagree

s2000 has a mediocre drivetrain compared to other "sports cars" around.
Agree

And the Vette is still fibreglass on an A frame. A frame = no handlin.
Disagree

Cars I would consider as "floss" daily drivers.

Cadilac CTS VSpec with Good wheel tire combo (suede leather black interior? cummon)

G35 (obviolusly)

Pontiac GTO (the new 400HP version)
Agree but irrelevant




Ok, so you said you're getting an FC as a race car? Very cool but...

This could just be me, I've been driving the 240 on the track and street now for like 6 years, and when i jump in almost any FC, and really start shifting weight corner to corner, i get phsically ill.

This is not me talking ish, I do. You've seen the old science experiment showing the center of gravity represented by a bucket being swung in a circle with water in it? I've alway pictured myself driving/drifting as being the center(hand) and the rear wheels being the end of the string(bucket). I position the bucket where i want it to go and try to place it there.

The TII places you so much further towards the rear wheels, it must be some kind of inner ear thing with me, I just cant put any 2nd gen where i want it... trip out?

Then again, my TII friends drive my cars and say, what the hell, thats why you can do this, this is so easy to get sideways! Or, they keep awquardly adjusting the slider on the seat..(lol).

I guess, make sure you drive the 2nd gen around for a while before you buy one, 1st gen and 3 gen dont to this to me though (again trip out?)

lates

Haha that's awesome..i've never heard anyone complain of this. I cant wait to feel it when i'm 100mph sideways. :)

[TheTicTac]

Ok, so you said you're getting an FC as a race car? Very cool but...

This could just be me, I've been driving the 240 on the track and street now for like 6 years, and when i jump in almost any FC, and really start shifting weight corner to corner, i get phsically ill.

This is not me talking ish, I do. You've seen the old science experiment showing the center of gravity represented by a bucket being swung in a circle with water in it? I've alway pictured myself driving/drifting as being the center(hand) and the rear wheels being the end of the string(bucket). I position the bucket where i want it to go and try to place it there.

The TII places you so much further towards the rear wheels, it must be some kind of inner ear thing with me, I just cant put any 2nd gen where i want it... trip out?

Then again, my TII friends drive my cars and say, what the hell, thats why you can do this, this is so easy to get sideways! Or, they keep awquardly adjusting the slider on the seat..(lol).

I guess, make sure you drive the 2nd gen around for a while before you buy one, 1st gen and 3 gen dont to this to me though (again trip out?)

lates

Maybe your TII friends have the DTSS bushings still installed? It makes the car feel like it's rotating when it's not.

[johngriff]

ellaborate on the DTSS bushing, I am not a R (eady) (to) X (plode)7 expert, and one of my mechs just bought one, tell me how to get them out, maybe it will be the secret to me actually enjoying the car.


John
(email or pm me, that way i dont hijack the thread)
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[Var]

The bushings allow the rear wheels to toe in up to 1 degree under load. It's like a cheaper version of HICAS. You can replace them with steel bushings so the rear alignment stays constant while cornering.

[kandyflip445]

I just drove a 350z today. OMG I like it better than the s2k. Too bad you hate the bubble look.

[WanganRunner]

I'd get the S2k, because I like very lightweight cars with high redlines, but this isn't for everyone.

The 'vette would definitely be more fun on a daily basis, lots of torque, lots of tire-smoking, etc... You really have to wind up the S2k to get power, but I think that when you do, there's nothing else like it.

Once I drove an S2k I knew that I absolutely had to own one, and never, ever, ever sell it, and I'm still working on getting myself one. The only car that might be a substitute for it would be a 2ZZGE-swapped MR2 Spyder, but that would need significant mods on top of the swap to be competition for the S2k, IMO.

Totally depends on what you like to do with your cars, they're nothing alike.

[TheTicTac]

R (eady) (to) X (plode)7

Wow that was kinda lame...

well anyways.. if you feel that the rx7 is a time bomb ready to go at any minute, I would suggest that you stay with pistons rather than rotaries and let your mechanic enjoy his 7. That myth of rotaries giving up faster than piston powered cars suck. I've seen some fc's with over 200k with it's original keg in the engine bay. It's just all about how you maintain the car, as with all cars.

[johngriff]

well i thought the comment would be welcomed cause it is an 240sx forum. But if you think my comment is stupid... then it is. (perplexed?)

I've had my fair share of RX7 experience, but theres alot I dont know, so i dont try to come off like i do (hence the questions). The xploding thing is an urban legend of sorts, but i have witnessed first hand two friends go for big power, and have retarded engine assembly issues that killed their days at the track/ drive down the street.

Staying with the theory that money gets you quality i will say they did pay about 2500 to 4k per build-up(internals only) so i know they didnt break the banks on their blocks, but i felt bad when my freind lost 4 motors in 8 months and he was just trying to DD the biatch (t4 hybrid, larger injectors, emanage).

As far as my last tech is concerned... I am nobody to ruin anybodies day with their car, but i always preach caution. I mentioned the DTSS thing to him today and he was like... "is that what that f***ing is? I cant get this thing to stick loose for anythigng!!" He had two s13's prior.

As with any enthusiast car, there is alway gonna be the famed story of the 300kmile KA-Turbo or the 500 hp stock bottom end turbo escort (you're old school if you can remember that), and you're right, you do have to "pamper the car" but most people with their cars are complete irresponsible a**holes, and thing usually dont end up that way.

OMG i hijacked you're thread.... SOrry!!

Get the Vette, you can do everything you could with the S2000 and the ladies definately respect the Vette more, (unless you're dealing with car chicks like my g/f, then she'll just point and laugh...ruthless)

John

[tew photy]

as we all know, N/A 13bs are arguably as reliable as any other motor, but the problems start when you add FI. i don't think its a coincidence that 75% of the fd's for sale have rebuilt motors and still have under 80k on the chassis.

on topic, i'd say go for the vette. seeing as you drove race cars on the street and all, i'd assume you are accustomed to speed. i doubt the s2k will give you the power you'll want, especially over the long term.

[TheTicTac]

as we all know, N/A 13bs are arguably as reliable as any other motor, but the problems start when you add FI. i don't think its a coincidence that 75% of the fd's for sale have rebuilt motors and still have under 80k on the chassis.

I don't understand. SO do you mean that adding fuel injection to a N/A 13b will make it problematic? Also 75% of FD owners don't know anything about their cars. All I am saying is that rotaries are for rotary people.

I'd get a truck. Forget the vette or S2k

[tew photy]

FI = forced induction

but yea, i agree with you on the other stuff you said except the truck thing. unless you want to totally forget about spirited driving, only get a truck in addition to the fun car, not in place of

[aznpoopy]

I don't understand. SO do you mean that adding fuel injection to a N/A 13b will make it problematic? Also 75% of FD owners don't know anything about their cars. All I am saying is that rotaries are for rotary people.

I'd get a truck. Forget the vette or S2k

turbocharged rotaries dont' last as long as n/a rotaries.

it's a fact.

even a well maintained FD owned by a knowledgeable owner will be lucky to see 110k or so on stock boost and the standard 'reliability mods.'

[TheTicTac]

turbocharged rotaries dont' last as long as n/a rotaries.

it's a fact.

even a well maintained FD owned by a knowledgeable owner will be lucky to see 110k or so on stock boost and the standard 'reliability mods.'

Turbocharged anything won't last as long as their non turbo'd counterparts, I just didn't know what he wanted FI to mean.

you can have some fun with trucks just take it to the mud.

[Var]

That's about the dumbest contribution i've seen yet.
I'm considering 2 cars and that's it. And they happen to be sports cars. Why the hell would you suggest a truck. I've owned 3 trucks already. I dont like them.

[Var]

In fact you're so goddamn stupid that i fell you've tainted my thread. So i'm gonna close it down. Do me a favor and stop being retarded.