I met a guy with a 1.6l accord who 'drifts'

[Krunko]

Yeah so I went to the mall yesterday cause I wanted these rad Steve Madden shoes that I saw.  My shoes are getting really old.  They didn't have them.  Anyways, I stopped in a rice booth they have.  You know how they have those little booths in the middle of the mall?  Well yeah, they had one with euro's, LED wash fluid things, ugly mufflers, all kinds of stickers and badges, etc..  Well I ask them if they sell 4 point harnesses because I want one one for autocrossing.   There is a kid..probably 17 or 18 talking to the owner and I start talking to him.  He's pretty cool and all, he was nice, wasn't cocky or anything.  

Anyways, so he asks me about my car..and tells me I should put silvia badges on it.  And I tell him I shouldn't because it's not a silvia, it's a 240.  He says he's got a 91 accord and, "It goes really fast, especially for only have a 1.6l non-vtec engine."  So we go out to the parking lot and he shows me his car.  It's got taped X's on the back of his tail lights.

I'm like, "What the heck is that?"  
and he says, "It means drifting."

"How do you drift in a 1.6l fwd accord?"

He explains how.  Apparantly the e-brake on his car is the rear and no the front.

Anyways, I just thought this was funny.  He invited me to attend some Tulsa (oklahoma) car club that he's in.  He was a nice guy, so I might do it for the heck of it.  He says the requirements are you having exhuast and intake, or more.  I have that and more.

[DuffMan]

I find it significant that you found a 91 accord with a 1.6 liter engine. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

[Krunko]

it might have been a 92 but it was early 90's for sure. &nbsp;I figured they only put 1.8l engines or 2.0l engines in them.

[HippoSleek]

IIRC, F22 in 4th Gen Accord. No 1.6 or 1.8 fits w/o significant modifications (and those would be less hp). &nbsp;2.0 was used in 3rd gen cars. &nbsp;EX was definately F22 (2.2L).. I think dx/lx was same block w/ different intake/exhaust manifolds = 15 less hp.

Parking brake only works on rear wheels on all cars.

A harness is a bad idea in any car that doesn't have a cage - unless you like the idea of your strapped in head/neck becoming a fulcrum for your upside down car (yes, it can happen).

Does Steve Madden make men's shoes? (just given you a hard time on that one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> )

Oh yeah - why is this post here? (shoes... rice kiosk... Accord... drifting... did I miss the 240sx part?)

[ajbarnes1]

I am pretty sure that the Accords had 2.2l on all 4 cylinder models from the early 90's up until 98 when they got a 2.3l on the 4 cylinders. &nbsp;I'm not trying to be an smartass or anything.... just letting you know. &nbsp;I saw "1.6l" and just thought that looked off. &nbsp; Also... I think the E-brake on all cars works for the rear wheels and not the front. &nbsp;Any FWD car can drift if the handbrake is used, but they have infinitely less control, and cannot usually make more than one drift at a time.

[ajbarnes1]

sorry HippoSleek, I didn't realize that you posted until I sent my reply.

[AceInHole]

This significance is that taped X's on the tail lights mean "drifting"... it's probably so that when you hump the curb really hard the lense doesn't shatter or something... although you really only see taped lenses at the track in some option vids.... &nbsp;maybe if i knew japanese, somewhere in there they say "tape on brake light is good for humping of curb"

[SR20Fastback]

lol Ace...too funny

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 11 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This significance is that taped X's on the tail lights mean "drifting"... it's probably so that when you hump the curb really hard the lense doesn't shatter or something... although you really only see taped lenses at the track in some option vids.... maybe if i knew japanese, somewhere in there they say "tape on brake light is good for humping of curb"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It is always good to tape your lights when you are at the track (especially if you are involved in tail-out jackassery that regularly involves contact with armcos &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;). &nbsp;It keeps the plastic/glass from spreading out and/or puncturing things in the event it winds up on the track. &nbsp;If you check out my profile or the VIR pictures in my webshots account, you'll see that I am not so much dorifto as following track ettiquite by having my lights taped <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
(BTW: no one does that to the rear b/c people need to see your brake lights!!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[CoasTek240]

hey sr20fastback do u really have an sr20?... cuz i ordereed mine 2 weeks ago and i'm wondering how ur swap went.. do u have pics?

[mrmephistopheles]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krunko @ April 11 2002,08:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He says the requirements are you having exhuast and intake, or more. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Cool, so i can go to kragen and buy a $20 muffler and a $30 intake a join the club? sweet
i want to be a part.. &nbsp;sounds like a crazy cool drifter club!

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[thewholefnshow]

In case anyone cares, here is a link to the history of accords, a few 1.8's I just skimmed it, but no 1.6's that I saw

Honda Accord History (http://hubcap.clemson.edu/~wstef/hist.html)

[danwagar]

any good driver can drift in &nbsp;a frontwheel drive car.
i can drift in my 96 olds cutlass but it kinda sucks for that.

[XylathaneGTR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (danwagar @ April 11 2002,9:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">any good driver can drift in a frontwheel drive car.
i can drift in my 96 olds cutlass but it kinda sucks for that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I think your a bit confused...
You can Powerslide in a fwd car...but drifting is something else...and requires RWD or AWD cars...you can maybe somehow pull it off on a fluke on extreamly wet roads in a fwd...but...yeah
Drifting is basicly making your car drive sideways...
Im not too good on explaining it...
but read some of the posts on "Drifting" around the forums...one post...cant remember the name...Has 3 or 4 very good definitions on drifting...
Read It.

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CoasTek240 @ April 11 2002,3:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hey sr20fastback do u really have an sr20?... cuz i ordereed mine 2 weeks ago and i'm wondering how ur swap went.. do u have pics?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No, The SR20 isnt in just yet. I bought the car a couple weeks ago for $500. Im still looking for a reputable shop in the Seattle, WA area. Where did you get your engine/clip, and how much did you pay for it?

[JEdubz]

Looking for someone that can do SR20 Swap in Seattle Area?
I have a friend (I know this started out sounding funny) who has performed a Skyline Engine Drop, who is rebuilding an NSX right now, and has done 2 SR20 swaps in his garage (he has the ECU harness done at a shop tho) but if you want to know a "reputable shop" that can do it try PPI in Burien, WA (Email me if you need directions [email protected]) However they aren't cheap on SR20 swaps. They ask $1300 (I bet you could talk them down if you help a bit) and require at minimum three weeks for getting it done.

[danwagar]

actually in a fwd car the only way you can powerslide is in reverse, i think your the one who is a little confused. &nbsp;im not being a jerk or anything, but i can get a fwd car sideways on any surface dirt ice cement, it is just a matter of weight transfer and how you use the brakes. &nbsp;think about it this way...your going around a corner at about 65, you trail brake into the corner so that the majority of weight is transfered to your front wheels giving you better traction in front and less in rear, then just a nice good stab at the brakes and voila the rear end will come around. &nbsp;there are other ways to get side ways to and im not talking about using the ebrake cuz that is for wuss's or for when you are going to slow to get sideways.

[fungus]

mrmephistopheles: tunak tunak!

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (danwagar @ April 12 2002,4:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">actually in a fwd car the only way you can powerslide is in reverse, i think your the one who is a little confused. im not being a jerk or anything, but i can get a fwd car sideways on any surface dirt ice cement, it is just a matter of weight transfer and how you use the brakes. think about it this way...your going around a corner at about 65, you trail brake into the corner so that the majority of weight is transfered to your front wheels giving you better traction in front and less in rear, then just a nice good stab at the brakes and voila the rear end will come around. there are other ways to get side ways to and im not talking about using the ebrake cuz that is for wuss's or for when you are going to slow to get sideways.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey now, you CAN powerslide in a FWD - it's called torque understeer and isn't much to look at. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

...other wise, it's all ass draggin!

[meowthsdaddy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (danwagar @ April 12 2002,4:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">actually in a fwd car the only way you can powerslide is in reverse, i think your the one who is a little confused. im not being a jerk or anything, but i can get a fwd car sideways on any surface dirt ice cement, it is just a matter of weight transfer and how you use the brakes. think about it this way...your going around a corner at about 65, you trail brake into the corner so that the majority of weight is transfered to your front wheels giving you better traction in front and less in rear, then just a nice good stab at the brakes and voila the rear end will come around. there are other ways to get side ways to and im not talking about using the ebrake cuz that is for wuss's or for when you are going to slow to get sideways.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sorry but that isn't drifting. &nbsp;if you could drift, you could get sideways through one corner, and immediately sideways through the next. &nbsp;just because your rear end slides out that does NOT mean you're drifting.....its hard to explain, but drifting is impossible in a fwd car.

[XylathaneGTR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (meowthsdaddy @ April 12 2002,5:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (danwagar @ April 12 2002,4:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">actually in a fwd car the only way you can powerslide is in reverse, i think your the one who is a little confused. im not being a jerk or anything, but i can get a fwd car sideways on any surface dirt ice cement, it is just a matter of weight transfer and how you use the brakes. think about it this way...your going around a corner at about 65, you trail brake into the corner so that the majority of weight is transfered to your front wheels giving you better traction in front and less in rear, then just a nice good stab at the brakes and voila the rear end will come around. there are other ways to get side ways to and im not talking about using the ebrake cuz that is for wuss's or for when you are going to slow to get sideways.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sorry but that isn't drifting. if you could drift, you could get sideways through one corner, and immediately sideways through the next. just because your rear end slides out that does NOT mean you're drifting.....its hard to explain, but drifting is impossible in a fwd car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
danwagar, i see what your saying now...Aight...i still agree with what Hippo said...thats not really drifting...and sorta agree with what the other guy i quoted said.

[jabbadeznuts]

I have a 96 accord and it does drift! However, it is not technically drifting because it is not RWD. Today it rained this morning and on my way home I stopped at an abandoned sort of warehouse thing. The pavement was pretty slick and I pulled out one of the longest drifts i have ever done. Probobly about 50 feet. anyway, it's not technically drifting, but it will do for now untill I get my 240 this summer! Then I can learn how to do a real drift! w00t!!

[240dude]

If you cant modulate power in a manner that lets you control a "powerslide" then its not a drift. All you do with e brake is rip it once and let it slide. It only slides till it gets grip again. Theoretically, with enough power you can hold a drift in a circle indefinately. &nbsp;Hope this makes sense.

[Datsun_Man]

The only drifting I can think of in a FWD is the use of trays. Go to your favorate fast food restaurant and jack the trays. Then find a large open lot and back up onto the trays, your rear wheels should be on them. Then engage the hand brake and drive like a madman. Trays dont last very long but its fun as hell. If you use the fibreglass trays you might wanna pull your shirt over your mouth as its not too healthy to breathe in the particles. Its the only way I have found to do "donuts" in a FWD. Takes a bit of practice to get it down 100% but anyone that can drive can easily do it. But generally I just laugh at them cause they need trays to do what my 240 can do w/o them ... hahahahahhaahahahha! Gotta love a RWD turbo KA in an empty wet parking lot that is secluded from coppers.

[Tuck&Poke]

god dammit how many times do i have to say it YOU CAN DRIFT IN A FWD CAR! &nbsp;of course you can take one curve after another still drifting... where in the hell did you think you couldnt? &nbsp;just turn the wheel and if you need to slam the brake again. &nbsp;all drifting is is getting the car in a controlled (or semi controlled depending on skill) slide through a turn...thats it...not exactly rocket science and not impossible in a fwd car. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[DrDubbleB]

ENOUGH WITH THE "DRIFTING" THREADS ALREADY!!!http://www.romancereaderatheart.com/bb/emot/headbanger.gif http://www.romancereaderatheart.com/bb/bb/emot/cussing.gif

[240dude]

Imagine a long, gradual turn (100 feet long) &nbsp;Now if you were drifting you could modulate your power and keep the tail out because the wheels are spinning, keep it out the whole time. &nbsp;Now, try that in front wheel drive. &nbsp;Oh, wait, you cant! sure it would slide but its not going to slide for very long and definately not in control, it wouldnt even slide for 1/8 of the turn. &nbsp;See thats what separates drifting from just plain sliding. &nbsp;Drifting cannot be done on FWD. &nbsp;Its merely sliding. &nbsp;People dont use sliding and drifting term in the proper way. &nbsp;They are totally different aspects of driving.

[Tuck&Poke]

dude youd make it if you were going like 70mph