7mgte S14

[sciamop]

Add this one to the cheap and fast category:

http://newyork.craigslist.com/brk/car/80934186.html

-- Wrecked MK3 Supra Turbo with good engine/trans: ~$700
-- Clapped-out S13: $500
-- Metal Head Gasket: $150
-- Extremely fast car for < $1500!

[Yuri]

most important is that it has the reliabilty that no other engine has.

LMAO. My brother and I have 3 mkIII supras. Most unreliable engine I've ever owned. (Although my SR failed to start this morning.... :-/ )

[SR240DET]

my buddys 7m popped when he was just driving to school... we got a toyota tech to look at it and he couldnt figure out why.....

[420sx]

oh come on it aint THAT bad

[MakotoS13]

i'd like to get an MR2 with a V6 in the back... mm mm good.

[BoroBoroS13]

Thats is an interesting swap though... But I wouldnt do it.

If I was going to use any V6 turbo it would be an RB25 and if it had to be a Toyota motor it would be a 1J.

[suhster85]

RB an 1J arent v6's

[justinhustle]

haha

burned by the inline 6!

[radhaz]

MKIII Supra owners don't even think highly of the 7MGTE they are very prone to rod knock & most everyone knows about the headgasket issue with the motors. Admittedly theres some owners out there with some very high HP setups, but there's a lot more folks with rod knock/blown headgaskets. 1JZ swaps are not uncommon to find and theyre just so much more reliable. There's a reason toyota abandoned the 7MGTE in japan and went with the 1JZ, it's just a shame they didn't do the same over here (sound's like a familiar story).

Good on the person for the innovative swap & relative low cost though.

[Yuri]

My Supra turbo developed rod knock right after I changed the headgasket. I hate that motor! I can't decide whether to get a new longblock or do a 1jz swap.

[Ritz S14]

I would have to disagree with you guys. 7M is a great motor, very reliable, just have to replace the headgasket(factory flaw) once. :)

[JtWo]

I have a mk3 turbo and I'm scared to even turn it on because of rod knock or mhg...LOL

[OptionZero]

makoto:
If you read SCC, their most recent Ultimate Street Car Championship was an MR2 with a supercharged V6 from a Camry/ES300 (3.0L version). It even had stock MR2 brakes.

Goes to show smart>parts, haha...

[jdm538]

that idea sounds cheap but i would rather do the 1jz motor.

[gorgasm]

i'd like to get an MR2 with a V6 in the back... mm mm good.

Why go V6 MR2 when you can go.. http://www.v8mr2.com/index.asp

[infinitexsound]

cause the v6 is enough........... 1jz is the shit.....

[FRpilot]

and wouldnt the v8 weigh a ton!? on a car that already oversteers enough...

[gorgasm]

cause the v6 is enough........... 1jz is the shit.....

Your not thinking like an american. You need more POWER!!!

[420sx]

muahahah northstar is the shiznet. VERY VERY common for Fiero swaps. overall, not bad as far as weight either. you can always balance out the car with more weight in the front

[curbsurfer]

I would have to disagree with you guys. 7M is a great motor, very reliable, just have to replace the headgasket(factory flaw) once a week. :)


i fixed your quote for you:)

[Dousan_PG]

1jz makes A LOT of power
its a fucking amazing motor and sounds so beautiful. i love 1jzgte.

[infinitexsound]

yep dousan, i agree.... iono i just dont think droppin a v8 is a necessity for more power... id drop a 1jz over a rb anyday.... if i had the money... if i get a cressida that would be the plan..or if i decide to drop in a jdm motor in my car that would also be the plan..... think like a american then i would be running laps in circles, and honestly i dont plan on buying a 24 pack of coors and setting my trailer next to a racetrack or growing a mullet anytime soon.......

[nlzmo400r]

Why go V6 MR2 when you can go.. http://www.v8mr2.com/index.asp


whats the words im looking for????.........no no, not snap ON........OH.........SNAP OVERSTEER

[Bill Strong]

actually adding weight to the front is bad. Allmost all of any bad stuff can be dialed out with a proper suspension setup.
But since you guys are car guys you would know that... right?

It is amazing how the V8s are pretty much winning everything... like the $2005 challenge...

1. Mazda RX7 witha Ford V8
2. Thunder Midget with a Ford turbo ohc 4 cylinder
3. Dodge Omni with a TurboII from 20 years ago
4. Mazda RX7 with a Chevy V8
5. Eagle Talon turbo
6. CRX with big turbo
7. CRX Si
8. Nissan 343 coop
9. MK1 Toyota MR2
10. Datsun 240Z witha 280zx turbo engine

This months Grassroots motorsports magazine.

The top 5 are actually almost all american engines with the exception of the ford OHC.

The V8 sitting in the middle of a "MID-ENGINED" MR2 will out handle most cars. and who ever said that the car natually oversteers does not really know cars, and probably has never even driven a MR2. The MK2 MR2 will normally oversteer (what uninformed owners will call snap oversteer) when the driver has exceeded the limits of the car and tires. This normally happens when the driver has no clue what he is doing, and to save face claims it was snap oversteer. The handling of the early MK2s is amazing, with little warning of of when you will exceed traction, this was later dialed out to keep secretaries from killing themselves. The same happened with the MK1 MR2. The early generations (1984-1986) are the prefered models as they are faster and lighter. The 1983-1986 4age engines are also prefered as they are lighter and faster reving.

again, you dont add weight to a car to "even" it out. That is just dumb.

Bill Strong
Owner and Administrator
The MR2OC
Racing Strong Motorsports
www.mr2oc.com
www.v8mr2.com
www.racingstrong.com

[nissantuner22]

1st gen MR2's = the hotness.

And hello Bill! Awesome forum you have, I frequent it quite often.

[kuramaya]

1JZ'z and 2JZ's are the shit

[sciamop]

Why does everything turn into a 7M vs 1JZ vs 2JZ vs RB vs KA-T vs SR20 vs LS1 vs 302 argument?

I think the 7M S14 is a good, cheap idea. As a final note, the 7M's problems can be overcome with proper preventative maintenance.

Here's another fun conversion: Ford Taurus SHO engine (awesome 3.0L Yamaha V6) in an S14!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6783&item=7983971083&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

The 220hp Yamaha 3.0 was detuned by Ford because they were afraid that the V6 Taurus would be faster than a stock Mustang 5.0!

[kuramaya]

Im not doing the !j vs anything, bit I can say for sure my next car will be a JZX100 Tourer V with a 1JZ....I am liking them more and more everyday...of course I will keep the 180 for track only

[Rich_S14]

Ford SHO engine made by Yamaha. This is the biggest surprise to me! It's similar to the feeling I had after learning that the Ford Probes were designed mostly by Mazda! You learn something new everyday. :)

[HaLo]

I would not put a 7M in anything. I don't trust those engines at all. My GF has a MKIII Turbo Supra with MHG and she still wants to get a 1JZ because that engine is... unreliable.

[240dreamer]

I knew I saw that car somewhere a few minutes ago. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6396&item=4558527034&rd=1

[Bill Strong]

Actually the Ford Probe was designed by Ford using the Mazda chassis. The Probe was originally designed to be the Fox bodied Mustang replacement. When it previewed in Autoweek magazine Ford was pounded by mail chastizing the company for making a fwd mustang. I was one of them. Within a matter of weeks it was decided to make the Probe a standalone product and to continue the Fox body.

Yamaha would surprise a lot of young folks who don't know much about that company.
The best Toyota engines were designed and manufactured by Yamaha. The 1967-1969 Toyota 2000GT 6 cylinder was made by them. The 1983-1991 4age 1600, the first mass produced 16 valve 4 cylinder was designed by Yamaha (the 16v head was mated to the 10 year old A-series block) and the 3SGTE 2 liter 4 cylinder was also made and assembled by yamaha for use in the Celica All-Trac and the second gen MR2. They also had their hand in on the 20 valve 4age 1600cc engine from 1992 to 1999.

Celica / Supra 6 cylinder - Most the head/cooling system problems are due to improper maintanece and internet mechanics that have no clue. Use the Toyota Red Coolant and most of your problems go away. Toyota uses high nickle content blocks that react to the green coolant mixtures and create a corosive fluid that eats up heads, aluminum, and the gaskets. Also boy racers think they know how to prep heads and want to use "metal" head gaskets because they had a friends brothers sisters coiusins grandmothers uncle use it and get 10,000hp out of that engine. But using it with out proper head and block prep.

http://suprasonic.org/HKS/hksgaskets.html

[JtWo]

Bill you're a life saver, that link is exactly what I needed. Supra forums didn't help much because all they talk about is cartoons and porn in every forum :-\

[Fahaka]

Ditto, so many people are so willing to bash it is increadible. I say learn the facts first...The 7M is a good motor...search noobs.

[NervGS]

I think the 7M S14 is a good, cheap idea. As a final note, the 7M's problems can be overcome with proper preventative maintenance.



Preventative maintenance? Isn't that with EVERY CAR?

How about this; NOT SWAPPING IT.

-glenn

[OptionZero]

Bill!
Does that mean using Toyota red after using Nissan Green could cause problems? I just drained and flushed my radiator and replaced it with a 35% coolant mixture using Toyota red (we drained the KA24DE 3 times with distilled water to get the green out)

[Bill Strong]

I have no clue what the properties of the Nissan coolant are.
I lived and race in england in the 1980s and dicovered the problems of headgasket problems and the chosen coolant while talking to some AE86 Corolla rally racers.
It was also noted in a English hot rod magazine in the late 80s.

It has something to do with silicates. Get a silicate free coolant and you should be okay. We actually just use red line water wetter in the Northstar V8 mt2, the RS-GTR 3sgte powered MK1 MR2 and my many 4age powered MR2s. Coolants actually decrease the cooling efficiancy of the water. Red Line water wetter does wonders.

[OptionZero]

from what I am told all Japanese manufacturers use a very similar coolant formula that does not use silicates.

[IGSDann]

Just last night my friend's 7M started making the loudest most annoying knocking sound ever, sounds like the cam hitting the cover. Just lame.

[TheSnail]

Where do I know the name Bill Strong? Are you one of the MR2OC forum guys?

[Bill Strong]

I own and run the MR2OC forum and built the Northstar powered V8 MR2 and am getting ready to start a 500 cubic inch 1986 MR2.

[TheSnail]

I knew it! For the people that dont know. Bill Strong is a Crazy Mother Fucker. Respected by many for doing crazy things, as listed above. Glad to have you on Zilvia :)

[Tygma]

to those arguin about mr2s with v6s;

a v6 mr2 is a fucking pontiac fiero.

just buy a fiero and save urself the swap.

still realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllly ghey IMHO...































really ghey. h8 that car.



damn.. fieros suck.



gosh that car pisses me off.









K.. im done.

[Bill Strong]

I knew it! For the people that dont know. Bill Strong is a Crazy Mother Fucker. Respected by many for doing crazy things, as listed above. Glad to have you on Zilvia :)

you should have seen my modded Nissan 720 pickup I did in 1984 :) man that thing was fast!


I guess Tygma does not have an open mind or doesn't think outside the box. I wonder if he has ever driven a MR2 or a Fiero. I like them both.

[Bill Strong]

There is a new MR2. It is called the MK1.5 MR2. Pronounced Mark One Point Five.
There are about 20 in the world. I own two. My purple one, and the black one that we will be racing in the $2006 GRM Challenge.
So what makes the MK1.5 special. Well the MK1.5 is loaded with a 2nd generation MR2 turbo, the 3sgte. Basically you double the HP and torque. The first MK1.5 built was done right down the road from me by Deno Plumley. Deno's MK1.5 is considered one of the fastest MR2s in existance. 0-60 times in the low 4 sec range and speeds exceeding 160 mph (probably exceeds 175 but the speedo does not go that high).
If you did not know, I put on the National Toyota MR2 meets a few weeks ago at Heartland Park Topeka. We rented the Kansas track for the weekend. I also included the Celica All-Trac and the Lotus Elise. It was quite awesome. I was even able to bring on Toyota as a sponsor.
500+ images - http://www.mr2oc.com/na2005/pictures/index.htm

Now the MK1.5 you will see in this video is Deno Plumley's. He is driving. I am the goof holding the start flag at the beginning. The Corvette ZO6 is driven by a local who knows the course really well. The Vette is also on slicks. Passing is only allowed on the front and back straight. At the end the MK2 MR2s hold Deno up in a big way. This normally happens as the drivers see a MK1 mr2 and think they are faster, which is very wrong. Deno ran out of memory on the camera, so you miss the part when on the next lap the driver in front is racing with his mirror and end up going off the back straight. It is pretty awesome.
As a reference as they hit the hill on the front straight (Turn 0) the MK1.5s are exceeding 130mph. You aim for the big cone, if you let off you will hit the wall hard. Deno was actually getting airborn on turn 0, so he was taking it easy :)
enjoy

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/video/NA2005-DENO.wmv 25mb
Please right click and save to your hard drive

[Jcb890]

to those arguin about mr2s with v6s;

a v6 mr2 is a fucking pontiac fiero.

just buy a fiero and save urself the swap.

still realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllly ghey IMHO...

really ghey. h8 that car.

damn.. fieros suck.

gosh that car pisses me off.

K.. im done.

wait... so you live in San Fransisco, used "h8" and "ghey" yet you're calling something else gay? Okay, just wanted to make sure.

[ThatGuy]

wait... so you live in San Fransisco, used "h8" and "ghey" yet you're calling something else gay? Okay, just wanted to make sure.

You had nothing else to do with this conversation, other then to jump in and try start shit with another member. SHUT THE FUCK UP or face consequences, your choice.

-Mod

[Jcb890]

i'm defending the MR2, that is all.

[ThatGuy]

Then do it by presenting facts on the car, not by making comments about another member of Zilvia.net. Do we have an understanding?

[Jcb890]

Then do it by presenting facts on the car, not by making comments about another member of Zilvia.net. Do we have an understanding?

fair enough. hopefully this passes inspection :)

to the other guy calling the MR2 swap "ghey"... so is swapping an LS1 into a Miata or swapping an LS1 into a RX7 or a 5.0 into a Miata or something gay? No. Those are cool swaps. The LS1 swaps in the Miata and RX7 are both good swaps. Why? Because the LS1 is a good motor and a LIGHT motor so it won't through off the weight distribution too much.

a V6 swap into an MR2 isn't gay. thats like saying swapping a Supra motor into a 240sx is gay, it most certainly isn't. there are some AWESOME V6's out there (ie. 2jz, yamaha sho motor) so don't be a retard.

[Maeda]

there are some AWESOME V6's out there (ie. 2jz, yamaha sho motor) so don't be a retard.

2j is an I6.

just busting your balls.
=p

[Jcb890]

i meant 6-cylinders. i'm too used to calling them all "V#" i should probably stop that huh? ;)

[Tygma]

wait... so you live in San Fransisco, used "h8" and "ghey" yet you're calling something else gay? Okay, just wanted to make sure.

I was reffering to Fiero's you wacko.

Wait.. since when does the Bay Area only apply to SF? No buddy, I live in San Jose.

[Jcb890]

actually you weren't referring to Fiero's re-read what you said. you said a v6 in a MR2 is a fiero, which it isn't.

[Tygma]

It pretty much is.

[ThatGuy]

Jcb890, Tygma, please continue this argument/conversation through PM's. You are getting Off Topic, and clogging up the thread. Thank You.

-Mod

[Rich_S14]

I was aware of Yamaha's joint efforts with Toyota, but I didn't know that Yamaha had their hand in so many of Toyota's engines.

Does anyone know of any other little-known joint projects between manufacturers?

...
Yamaha would surprise a lot of young folks who don't know much about that company.
The best Toyota engines were designed and manufactured by Yamaha. The 1967-1969 Toyota 2000GT 6 cylinder was made by them. The 1983-1991 4age 1600, the first mass produced 16 valve 4 cylinder was designed by Yamaha (the 16v head was mated to the 10 year old A-series block) and the 3SGTE 2 liter 4 cylinder was also made and assembled by yamaha for use in the Celica All-Trac and the second gen MR2. They also had their hand in on the 20 valve 4age 1600cc engine from 1992 to 1999.
...

[axiomatik]

The V8 in the Volvo XC90 is also a Yamaha unit. Also, Honda supplies the V6 in the Saturn Vue Red Line. The Lotus Elise is powered by the 180hp I4 from the Celica (at least in America, in Europe they use a Rover engine). I know I've heard of others, but I can't think of them at the moment.