Bow Down to an Eclipse?! BAH!

[IGSDann]

Anyone see the new Eclipse commerical in which other cars bow down to it (to signify respect). The first car that bows down is a FD3 RX7. Why would a rotary powered sports car bows down to a car that weighs 1000 pounds more than it will and makes less power? Alright, stupuid thread but seriously. I would expect this kinda of advertisment for the EVO!

[OptionZero]

it has a big v6, but curb weight around 3400lbs...

not a sports car, daily cruiser for people who don't drive hard

[aznpoopy]

yes

there was a big thread at rx7club

quite a few upset FD owners

[WILDACEX187]

oh shyt the only one i've seen is the one with the jungle people and the drums. how come there arent any evo or sti commercials? i guess its cause they sell well and dont need advertisement that much but it would be nice if they made one.

[ZK]

The new Eclipse is a joke. The only Eclipse I even partly liked was the 97-00 GS-X and GS-T.

I think performance car marketing now is all about how much horsepower they can advertise the car has. What they fail to mention is how heavy current cars are and that horsepower does not equal a fun car to drive. Unfortunately, the American public swallows it and we end up with huge gas sucking cars that suck.

[420sx]

yea the gs-x wasnt all that bad. the only model i would have ever owned. hypothetically speaking of course.

[Var]

The Eclipse is the only car you can drive bone stock and it's still a rice rocket. I'd take a Scion Xa over one(speaking seriously) cause it's less embarassing.

[IGSDann]

Eclipse GTv6 Curb weight: 3538 Lbs
RX7 Curb Weight: 2,826 Lbs

Ok so not a thousand pounds, but still around 700. God damn. That Eclipse weighs as much as my friends Supra... Bleh.

[FaLKoN240]

The Eclipse is the only car you can drive bone stock and it's still a rice rocket. I'd take a Scion Xa over one(speaking seriously) cause it's less embarassing.

LOL stock ricer. . .

[Apossiblehybrid]

the eclipse just gets shitter and shitter..

[420sx]

yea i totally hated third gen. and why does every ricer want BlitZ style kit??

[Yuri]

Does anyone have a link to this infamous commercial?

[ZK]

Here is a link to the commercial:

http://picapic.net/media/3X25JT3

Amazing what you can find with Google. :p

[vinhisbored]

What a commercial..

[0kami]

i never seen the commercial but i saw a AD on the steets, and I couldnt stop laughing. - i dunno why, it was just a reaction, kindda like blinking.

[aa87]

The devestation done to that rx7 to get it to do that for the camera must have been disasterous!

[Shin_Kudo]

Holy crap, the new Eclipse weighs 500lb more than my WRX?! That's insane!

I'll enjoy slaughtering any ricers who buy one.

[HyperTek]

i think it looks pretty nice.. but its for the american market.. Understeer world.. i hate how people try to jdm a eclipse lol

[WILDACEX187]

omg that commercial sux

[sLip techniques]

they were dippin on some hydro's

[FaLKoN240]

I personally think that commercial is a JOKE, put on by Mitsubishi. Soon they'll have a commercial of the Galant, beating down the Maserati Sports Sedan.

[TheSnail]

^ That makes me think what Mitsubishi is doing. What happened to the real eclipse, or the galant vr4 or the 3000gt vr4 etc…??? They do have the Evo, but lately I have been thinking they are trying to get away with spending money on advertising rather then more money in the engineering department. Evo=Ca18 historic 4g63, New eclipse= 15 year old 3000gt 6g72, diff intake mani . Why? They were good(minus-trans) in the 90’s , why are they crapping out?

[m0rex]

Mitsubishi stopped making sport cars when they started making n/a and non awd cars. They had the evo but they have always had it. They should make something awd, light and with boost thats reliable thats not an evo.

[importnut]

Yeah, when I saw that commercial, my first thought was something along the lines of "BAH!" All I can think of is the fact that advertising people have no idea what it is they are selling.

When I went to the Chicago Auto show this year, I watched part of a presentation on the new eclipse, and the guy was talking about it and so on, and mentioned the power (200 is it?) and a couple of guys, that were watching, just about blew a wad in their shorts as if the numbers were impressive. The scene they made was enough for the guy giving the presentation to notice, and feed off of, like "yeah, you know it". I wanted to laugh out loud, but I don't think anyone would have understood.

It's a pig of a car, with more focus on it's appearance and appeal to the wrong crowd.

Speaking of power to weight ratios, and off topic to this thread, I also remember watching the presentation of the new Z06. I love how the hottie that does the presentation is talking about cams, the various types of valves used, and other "very" specific engine details, as if the floozy really knows what she's talking about :) Anyway, She was going on about the power, suspension then mentioned the weight. Less than 3000 lbs. It took a few minutes for it to sink in but then I realized, that this sub 3000 lb car has about 500hp. WOW!

[scottie]

The new Z06 weighs in at 3138lbs according to GM. Still very impressive power/weight ratio. I would kill to have one. Probably will in the next 5 years unless i decide to put the LS7 into an FD3S. I used to own a 320rwhp FD and there is no way i would back down from an eclipse. I used to take guys running 400fwhp. Cmon Mitsu.... what next the Skyline!


-scott

[importnut]

The new Z06 weighs in at 3138lbs according to GM. Still very impressive power/weight ratio. I would kill to have one. Probably will in the next 5 years unless i decide to put the LS7 into an FD3S. I used to own a 320rwhp FD and there is no way i would back down from an eclipse. I used to take guys running 400fwhp. Cmon Mitsu.... what next the Skyline!


-scott

Whoops! You're right! 3138lbs is an impressive weight for a car that big.

Dude, if they were to do that with a Skyline, or any other "real" sports car, beyond the desecrations that they've already committed, I would say that we would need to form a lynch mob, pitch forks, torches and all, and take out Mitsu's advertising department....

[ohnobigtdawg]

to me it looks like a 350Z and a Scion TC smashed together..

[Drunk Bastard]

eclipse = teh suck

[exitspeed]

Man you guys are haters. The commercial is GOOD. It's just plain good advertising. Yea the 4G eclipse is a pig, but it IS the fastest stock Eclipse yet. There getting 14.2's in the auto magazines for crying out loud. I talked to the President of the local Evo club here who works at a Mitsu dealer. He raced his MR against the new GT up to 70mph and he was only a car length ahead of it. Not too bad. I agree thought the car's not for everyone.

[FaLKoN240]

I like when I go to the mitsubishi boards, and none of them admit that the FD bowing down to it is a joke. Even if it's the fastest yet, it's still the ugliest. . .

[OptionZero]

there are trucks and SUV's that go pretty fast in a straight line, but they are still as far from sports cars as can be

that's why the Eclipse sucks the way it does- it's built for an american public that measures cars based on horsepower and straight line performance

I feel sorry for some of my teenage friends who think they're "street racers" and have no conception of performance beyond beating the guy next to them. One of them even bought an ebay turbo kit so he could "be as fast as a prelude!" ...ugh...oh well, he just got a ticket, maybe that will fix him!

Why didn't we get the FTO as an Integra-fighter? Hell give us a stripper version of the 3000GT w/ 600lbs diet...


When will Toyota bring back the Supra and breathe life into the MR2?

i wish i wish i wish

[HyperTek]

I still want a 12 year old mazda rx7, I would take one any day. The car is just that dam good looking and overal engineered (fuck who ever says the motors are crap) that it still has that great of a lasting impression today. Cant even say that about an 01 eclipse... lol Nuff said.

Mitsu should kill the eclipse and revive the starion!!! hehe

[MikeFD3S]

Mitsubishi should just kill themselves and put themselves out of their misery. They are one of the worst rated Japanese car companies in the US. The quality, design and engineering sucks.

They need to pop-lock themselves into a coffin and never come out. There are very few Mitsubishi cars or trucks that could be considered truly great overall.

Hmmm EVO 6 & Pajero are probably the only good ones that were good in more than simply one category

[Yuri]

Well, one reason the new Eclipse is now chunkier and taller is because it's built on Mitsubishi's "Project America" platform, which it shares with the Endeavor. I'll stick to my Evo no matter how many Eclipse brochures Mitsubishi keeps sending me, thank you very much.
On the subject of FD's I was at Mazda north america this week getting measurements off the new Miata, and in their little garage area, I saw a white wingless FD with about 4 miles on it. I spoke with one of the Mazdaspeed guys about it, and he said they're keeping it as a future museum piece. It was very sexy.

[OptionZero]

FOUR MILES? What the fuck?! That thing is probably priceless...it's begging to be thrashed ...

kinda like how I heard some rumor of a '97 Integra Type R w/ like 100miles on it going for $40g's

[TurDz]

Mitsubishi should just kill themselves and put themselves out of their misery. They are one of the worst rated Japanese car companies in the US. The quality, design and engineering sucks.

They need to pop-lock themselves into a coffin and never come out. There are very few Mitsubishi cars or trucks that could be considered truly great overall.

Hmmm EVO 6 & Pajero are probably the only good ones that were good in more than simply one category

Didn't Japan lose trust in Mitsubishi for its scandal with hiding defects in many of their vehicles? There were a lot of deaths and injuries due to it and Mitsubishi was seen as a corrupt manufacturer. I'm not sure how much better they're doing, but their approach to the US market is definately interesting.

And get this...

3.8L Eclipse engine = 263 hp / 260 ft-lb

NISSAN 3.5L VQ engine =

Altima 250 hp / 249 ft-lb
Altima SE-R 260hp / 251 ft-lb
Maxima 265 hp / 255 ft-lb
350Z 287 hp / 274 ft-lb
350Z Anniv. 300 hp / 260 ft-lb

I love the VQ... hehe

[MikeFD3S]

What i really dont understand about the Mitsubishi Eclipse commercials is that they are trying to push so hard that they are Japanese...yet the Eclipse has always been built in America. Posers!

edit:

Yes Mitsubishi was under a lot of fire for the blatant actions of their top managers and CEO to hide defects in Mitsubishi's North American vehicle lineup. It was a 2 year coverup I believe.

Mitsubishi is one of the only Japanese car companies to consistently lose money. All other car companies make profit. Mitsubishi lost a lot of money trying to sell their cars with extended warranties-- unfortunately for them, the build quality of the cars is so low that a lot of people take advantage of their warranty and must go in for repairs often.

Their market share in the US is pitifully low

[nistech]

what is next bow down to a civic

[Chernobyl]

what's funny is the people it's marketed to won't know the truth and will believe it. Oh well.

I actually thought the new eclipses looked pretty descent. I was dissapointed about the lack of AWD.. and now I hear this obiese curb weight, and I've already forgotten about this car. Blah...

[importnut]

Ya know, I just had to through this in. Maybe I live in the past ;) but I still think 240's are damn sexy cars. Looking at people's sigs or pics show that with minimal work, they look great. Most new cars look bloated and without "spirit" like pretty much everything else out there....

Just :blah:

[infinitexsound]

they need to develop a new sports car... they cant just rely on the evo.... but what ever eclipse can suck it........theyre shitty in general

[FaLKoN240]

Man you guys are haters. The commercial is GOOD. It's just plain good advertising. Yea the 4G eclipse is a pig, but it IS the fastest stock Eclipse yet. There getting 14.2's in the auto magazines for crying out loud. I talked to the President of the local Evo club here who works at a Mitsu dealer. He raced his MR against the new GT up to 70mph and he was only a car length ahead of it. Not too bad. I agree thought the car's not for everyone.

O i forgot to add:

What kind of car company would make a newer model anything with less horsepower than the previous generation?

Giving that shit box more power is more a requirement than anything. If they didn't give it more power it would be more bad marketing on top of this ridiculous commercial.

[nlzmo400r]

lots of eclipse haters out here. I think the new ones look good, and sure they're heavy and will handle shitty, damn near every american 'sports coupe' does (TC, Tiburon, Eclipse etc). I dont understand how they made that car weigh 3500lbs WITHOUT AWD. It seems almost everyone here hates eclipses,but I tell you what, the 1st and 2nd gen were AMAZING cars for the price.....and can still beat most 'new' sport compact cars today (spec V, svt focus, msp, civic Si etc.). The 1gs were 200hp, 215ft lbs of tq and 3000lbs WITH awd and a VERY capable engine. Sure they didnt handle great, but its not like the S chassis is a handling beast until you get coilovers/tires etc.
THE BOWING DOWN THING:

I think that is ridiculous, but no one really said crap about the HEMI powered Condom (magnum) running with a Lotus Esprit on a winding road.- Rob

[exitspeed]

Just some info I seen on Detroit Autoline this week. Mistu is doing the second worst right now in market share, Isuzu is #1. Mistu has a -38% market share right now. This IS though before the new Eclipse came out. I'd expect it to gain positivily since the debut of the 06 Eclipse.

[Var]

The only reason i dont own an EVO is because it's a Mitsubishi.

[OptionZero]

the SRT-4 would probably rock the 1g or 2g Eclipse, plus it has an extra .4L to work with

the Mazdaspeed3 (protege) was one of the best handling FWD cars ever, for under $20G's...plus it was turbo, stock HLSD (i believe), and bridgestone re040's

The type R integra was quality

but..yeah, the modern "compacts" are uninspiring overall, the Civic Si is weighs damn near as much as an RSX, but comes with a shittier engine

pocket rockets are dead

[SilviaDriver]

Man you guys are haters. The commercial is GOOD. It's just plain good advertising. Yea the 4G eclipse is a pig, but it IS the fastest stock Eclipse yet. There getting 14.2's in the auto magazines for crying out loud. I talked to the President of the local Evo club here who works at a Mitsu dealer. He raced his MR against the new GT up to 70mph and he was only a car length ahead of it. Not too bad. I agree thought the car's not for everyone.

not everybody cares about straight line dragging.

[nlzmo400r]

Sure the srt-4 would run all over a 1g or 2g eclipse, however you're looking at a 15year time span (since the 1g was back in 91 or so anyway). And the mazdaspeed protege still didnt have the power that the eclipses had (although obviously mazda's are much more nimble). And sure the type R was probably just as quick even w/out a turbo, and of course handled magically compared to the eclipse, however the type R was a $25+k car (can we say 350z?). And yes almost all pocket rockets of the new age suck- Rob

the SRT-4 would probably rock the 1g or 2g Eclipse, plus it has an extra .4L to work with

the Mazdaspeed3 (protege) was one of the best handling FWD cars ever, for under $20G's...plus it was turbo, stock HLSD (i believe), and bridgestone re040's

The type R integra was quality

but..yeah, the modern "compacts" are uninspiring overall, the Civic Si is weighs damn near as much as an RSX, but comes with a shittier engine

pocket rockets are dead

[infinitexsound]

id rather own a miata then buy a eclipse........... that car is a POS....

[Drunk Bastard]

you make owning a miata sound like a bad thing. if i had a miata, of course i would never drive it on the street, but turn it into a spec miata race car. yay! imo, miata = GREAT car...just needs more POWER :rawk:

[exitspeed]

not everybody cares about straight line dragging.

Your right, but some do.

[ZK]

pocket rockets are dead

That's America for you. "Bigger is better".

On the flip side, I went for a ride in my friend's new S2000, very fun car, excellent handling, good power and build quality. Girls definitely like. :) Perfect except I never liked convertibles...

[WanganRunner]

The new Eclipse is a joke. The only Eclipse I even partly liked was the 97-00 GS-X and GS-T.

Don't discount the first-gen GSX either, no crank walk on that one, and power is just obnoxiously cheap to add (+100hp for less than $1000).

[Drift101]

All in all, their advertising is directed towards a certain crowd and market. They WILL sell quite a few of these Eclipse cars. We are only few and far between and the things that matter to us aren't exactly what matters to a LARGE portion of automocar buyers out there! LOL, good for them if they can sell that shit, just proves that advertising works, and it does, just look at the clothes you wear and the tv's and basically all the food products you have. You know of them because of advertising.

[Var]

That's America for you. "Bigger is better".

On the flip side, I went for a ride in my friend's new S2000, very fun car, excellent handling, good power and build quality. Girls definitely like. :) Perfect except I never liked convertibles...


lol..i hate convertibles but i'm about to get one too. Just waiting to find a white one

[ZK]

All in all, their advertising is directed towards a certain crowd and market. They WILL sell quite a few of these Eclipse cars. We are only few and far between and the things that matter to us aren't exactly what matters to a LARGE portion of automocar buyers out there! LOL, good for them if they can sell that shit, just proves that advertising works, and it does, just look at the clothes you wear and the tv's and basically all the food products you have. You know of them because of advertising.

You never know .. the previous Eclipse never sold very well at all and that was marketed a lot as well. It even showed up in 2F2F as one of the main cars.

Don't discount the first-gen GSX either, no crank walk on that one, and power is just obnoxiously cheap to add (+100hp for less than $1000).

That's great but the styling I never liked on the 1st gen ones. I only liked the late model GS-X with the big mouth in the center of the bumper and the smoked headlight housings.

http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/eclipsegsx.jpg

[Cheesegr8er]

Ah well, from my experience... Eclipses just suck... majorly suck. My brother-in-law and me in his rx-8 (stock, along with another friend of ours) raced this riced out eclipse on the freeway a few months back and we totally smoked him. Idiot gave us the finger as we overtook him. gosh... a stock car, weighed down by 3 people... man... alright, enough said.

[KwKouki]

Ah well, from my experience... Eclipses just suck... majorly suck. My brother-in-law and me in his rx-8 (stock, along with another friend of ours) raced this riced out eclipse on the freeway a few months back and we totally smoked him. Idiot gave us the finger as we overtook him. gosh... a stock car, weighed down by 3 people... man... alright, enough said.

RX8= coming from a pretty decent and proven race heritage.
Eclipse= coming from a pretty decent and proven......COMMUTING heritage ;)

Even the rx-8 was a let-down coming from the later generations. This can be said for just about every new-generation car (the Z series in particular) My uncle used to own a 71 formula, and would put a 100 dollar bill on the dash,and put his foot through the floor. Whoever could force their back off of the seat, reach to the dash and grab it was allowed to keep it no questions asked. He REFUSED to ride in my 98 firebird that had a V-6 in it *before the LS-1 swap*

Face it, people are looking at comfort, gas mileage, and the bang for your buck now. The "spirited driving" is almost gone nowadays. SUre they still exsist, but expect to pay around 25-30g for a car that can hold its own.

The new eclipse looks pretty damn nice, I stopped to check out a blue one last week. I really feel for the guy who rolls off the lot in one thinking "yea, im gonna go own the people at the track now" People build off of what they have (I have seen people putting money into Geo Metros for fucks sake)

Stop thinking the new driver-friendly cars are "shit,rice,ghey,crap" Not every car was built to own on the track.

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

that cm makes me want a fd more then i already do

[Wei240]

new eclipse is waaay too heavy,
me no likey

[BoostInnovations]

Don't discount the first-gen GSX either, no crank walk on that one, and power is just obnoxiously cheap to add (+100hp for less than $1000).


well he meant 97-99 since they switched to the 3g in 00....but i loved my 1g talon...thing was quick as shit...had a few suspension mods and it handled damn good...damn thing ran 11s on pump gas all day long and drove it home afterwards still running 11s on the street :) nothin like awd to put a smile on your face ill tell you what...but i sold it for a 240...some dsmers call me a traitor cause my car was "The Freak"


P.S. only the 6bolts were pretty crankwalk free...89-92.5

[jsr20det]

I stopped believing in mitsubishi right after the 3rd gens rolled out.

[jsr20det]

well he meant 97-99 since they switched to the 3g in 00....but i loved my 1g talon...thing was quick as shit...had a few suspension mods and it handled damn good...damn thing ran 11s on pump gas all day long and drove it home afterwards still running 11s on the street :) nothin like awd to put a smile on your face ill tell you what...but i sold it for a 240...some dsmers call me a traitor cause my car was "The Freak"


P.S. only the 6bolts were pretty crankwalk free...89-92.5

On topic of the eclipse, i'll be picking mine up from the shop in t-minus 1 hour. Woohoo!

[supracrazy]

Man you guys are haters. The commercial is GOOD. It's just plain good advertising. Yea the 4G eclipse is a pig, but it IS the fastest stock Eclipse yet. There getting 14.2's in the auto magazines for crying out loud. I talked to the President of the local Evo club here who works at a Mitsu dealer. He raced his MR against the new GT up to 70mph and he was only a car length ahead of it. Not too bad. I agree thought the car's not for everyone.

I highly dought that ithe MR would only be 1 car ahead at 70 it 0-60 is low 4 and 0-60 on the eclipse gt is mor in the high 5s also 4wd will own it on the launch

[FaLKoN240]

I highly dought that ithe MR would only be 1 car ahead at 70 it 0-60 is low 4 and 0-60 on the eclipse gt is mor in the high 5s also 4wd will own it on the launch

Maybe his buddy didn't want/know to LAUNCH his EVO.