Drifting

[s15dude]

Why does everyone who gets their rearend out during a regular right hand turn on a street think that they are super drifters? I'm sick of all these kids out screwin around creating a worse(of what is already somewhat bad) image of Japanese car enthousiats. Plus they are killing off the few 240's we have left and jacking up our insurance rates. Keep it off the streets and find an empty parking lot to "drift" in. Someone please give us a defintion of what drifting really is so all these punks out there hauling a$$ in the rain don't kill what little reputation we have left with their lame "drifting" stories which could end up hurting or killing someone. Tryin not to flame anyone in particular here, but its getting a little rediculous if you ask me.

[JEdubz]

Using the newly found diplomacy skills that I have aquired on great message boards such as this one.  I shall reply. In an attempt to bash me you brought up an interesting point. Sorry for not quoting but I believe it was something along the lines of "can someone come in and say what drifting really is"... (sorry if it was wrong, once again I didn't quote) I have heard lots of what you like to call "japanese car inthusiasts" ridicule people for not knowing what drifting REALLY is. Even in this board I have seen people yell at people saying "That's not drifting!" and such. Well seeing how you think I'm ruining what YOU love so much. (you said it...you know you did) Why don't YOU explain what drifting is? Since you love it and all... And if you think I'm raising insurance prices by being in the passenger seat video taping what two kids do for fun while the Hondas are out street racing, then get a grip on life and realize you aren't the only person that gets to have fun. Why he chose to drift in a neighboorhood (someone asked this in my last post) is for the reason that we don't have any mountain roads near enough to us that we can go out, do that, go to work, and be back for bed time in time. We have someone outside the car always making sure no one is going to get hit... And if "kids"want to get into drifting what is your problem with that? It's just going to bring more competition and money to it. Next you're going to go all Fast and the Furious on me and say look what young people did to racing. Well better yet... Look at what Honda did to racing. Young people seem to like Hondas(for some reason I'm not sure), and chose to race with them...But if young people with Silvias are going to drift what the hell is the problem with that, you aren't going to see Civic hatches trying to drift very often and if they do they'll probably roll over eighty times and that will be their last.. . I'm sure none of this made sense, but you could understand where I am trying to defend myself.

[XxDriverxX]

Yeah, fight the force! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[sil80]

JEdubz - My last car was a 91 civic hb that to this day is still one my fav cars. Also I had no issues with drifting it and thats with out rolling it 80 times &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>
Now there is no excuse going around racing/drifting/driving like an idiot in a populated living area. Just no excuse.
So why dont you and your friend go to the local arcade and playing "crusing usa" for a while.

[LanceS13]

lol...I'm not trying to pick on you...well maybe I am <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ...but I find it pretty funny you said "back for bed time". &nbsp; I hadn't had a "bed time" since I was 10. &nbsp;Sarcasm? &nbsp;Poor word choice? &nbsp;Still funny. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Anyway, what bugs me are these 15-17 year olds who have just gotten their car and the first thing they want to do is go hot-rodding, street-racing, 'drifting', etc. before they even know how drive NORMALLY well. &nbsp;Be safe.

[AceInHole]

*applauds the curb humpers with enthusiasm*

&nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;

Drifting is:
a: Creating an accelerative force towards the center of the turn's arc in order to continue at velocity while holding the line through the arc of the turn.
b: Creating rotational momentum before the turn, therefore distributing more force (actually work) to the accelerative/ countering force through the arc of the turn.
&nbsp; No matter what reason, combating understeer, controlling oversteer, etc.... drifting ultimately comes down to this. &nbsp;In this form, what drifting REALLY is, a driver can get his/her car to corner faster.

"Drifting" is:
"Drifting", or "curb humping" as it is popularly referred to... is a closer derivative of the "rice" trend. &nbsp;The tackiest, cheapest parts combined with "disposable" cars, used to slide into curbs at some velocity where style (if there really is any style in humping a curb) is more important than control.

Thank you, have a nice day. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[MyFirst240SX]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> well i guess im just a punk 17 year old kid that like Hot rodding street, racing ,and driving recklessly. but isn't that a normal phase?

[sykikchimp]

yes you are. &nbsp;And it's important for you to understand that. &nbsp;That is why we must always look down on it, and try and keep you guys safe. &nbsp;If we condoned it, then you went out and wrecked and died, then we would be somewhat at fault for not trying to keep you straight. &nbsp;We are trying to be role models for the community.

[LanceS13]

Is it a normal phase? &nbsp;Yes, I've been there. &nbsp;I'm only 20 so it wasn't too long ago. &nbsp;Then I disovered autox. &nbsp;It taught me REAL driving skills in a relatively SAFE environment. &nbsp;Now, I still speed a little (who doesn't? &nbsp;gotta love a good on/off ramp <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>), but looking back, I can see how much more mature and better driver I am now than before I started autox'ing. &nbsp;It teaches me what the car can/can't do, but more importantly, what I can/can't do.

[s15dude]

JEdubz, I did not mean to personally attack you, it seems that at least once a week someone brags about how they are "drifting", when they are not drifting. I couldn't come up with a defintion of drifting last night because I was tired and could not think. &nbsp;Drifting is a style of racing that involves a person being one with the car. &nbsp;Drifting takes lots of practice, lots of concentration and extreme knowledge of car control. &nbsp;If you wanna take it up fine by me, just keep it of the streets. If you had read my post, then you would know that you don't need to drive to the mountains to learn it, just find a big empty parking lot, get the owners permision, and make sure that nobody can get hurt. But if you and your immature friends want to go "have some fun" fine by me as long as you don't write another post bitiching how the cops arrested your a$$ and took your licenses away. &nbsp;Also it takes more than one person to make sure that everbody is safe. &nbsp;IF you've ever been to illegal street races, there are plenty of people watching, yet someone always loses control and and hits another car or person. Like Lance said, once you start racing on the track, it vastly improve your skills as a driver and you get all of your adrenline out of you before the ride home.

[SR20Fastback]

I think that age thing was somewhat stereotypical. Yes Im sure MOST of that age group does do reckless things, but not everyone. I just turned 17 in February, and yes I did used to street race and do all that dumb crap. Some people learn faster than other though I suppose. Ive really seen how dangerous the stuff can be, not necessarily first hand, but its common sense that eventually you're either going to hurt yourself or someone else. I havent had the opportunity to autocross yet ( I live in WA, and Im pretty numb to what goes on around here as for those sort of events) but Im sure its quite the experience. Anyways sorry for my rambling, just wanted to let you guys know that not all punk teenagers are Fast and the Furious style street racers....btw the everybody speeding on onramps. Thats true, for any age group, who doesnt enjoy that brief moment of pure acceleration (when the time is right).

[Yoshi]

Dammit!
Yet another one of these threads!!! argh!
We've been trying to get away from rehashing the same
arguement over and over and over and over...
We were good for about, what? 2 days?

MODERATOR PLEASE CLOSE THIS!

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JEdubz @ April 11 2002,09:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">blah blah blah
Well seeing how you think I'm ruining what YOU love so much. (you said it...you know you did) Why don't YOU explain what drifting is? Since you love it and all... And if you think I'm raising insurance prices by being in the passenger seat video taping what two kids do for fun while the Hondas are out street racing, then get a grip on life and realize you aren't the only person that gets to have fun. Why he chose to drift in a neighboorhood (someone asked this in my last post) is for the reason that we don't have any mountain roads near enough to us that we can go out, do that, go to work, and be back for bed time in time. We have someone outside the car always making sure no one is going to get hit... And if "kids"want to get into drifting what is your problem with that? It's just going to bring more competition and money to it. Next you're going to go all Fast and the Furious on me and say look what young people did to racing. Well better yet... Look at what Honda did to racing. Young people seem to like Hondas(for some reason I'm not sure), and chose to race with them...But if young people with Silvias are going to drift what the hell is the problem with that, you aren't going to see Civic hatches trying to drift very often and if they do they'll probably roll over eighty times and that will be their last.. . I'm sure none of this made sense, but you could understand where I am trying to defend myself.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You know what, everyone else can pussyfoot around on this but I'll just come out with it. &nbsp;Lance was dead on with the Darwinism comment... unfortunately, until it kicks in, we have to deal with you. &nbsp;YOU my little barely pubescent friend are the problem with the car scene of today. &nbsp;YOU are the reason that people think automotive enthusiasts are one rung above hell's Angels. &nbsp;YOU are the reason that people get tickets for having a fast looking car. &nbsp;YOU are the reason driving ages are being raised to 18 in many states even as we speak. &nbsp;YOU are the reason 240's have high insurance rates. &nbsp;YOU are the reason that I want to rip the head off all the little teenies that come here looking for advice. &nbsp;Why, you might ask?

1. &nbsp;You get indignant at the thought that someone could DARE talk down to you for performing one of the most stupid, reckless acts I've heard of in some time (FVCKING DRIFTING ON A WET STREET IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD) and then going on an internet message board and bragging about it as though it were some cool thing we'd all appreciate.

2. &nbsp;You think that drifting is okay to do on ANY public road... and that when you don't have a mountain to risk people's lives on, you have to take it to the streets where kids ride bikes and parents jog.

3. &nbsp;You fail to realize that life is NOT an Option 2 video or Initial D. &nbsp;People die from the stupid acts of stupid a$$holes like yourself - not just the morons dumb enough to be in the car, but maybe people sitting on their porches in your area.

4. &nbsp;You think that competition and money are a good thing when it comes to illegal activities. &nbsp;Great. &nbsp;Why don't you go sell some heroin? &nbsp;Money, bitchez, respekt... is that what you're looking for Jr.?

5. &nbsp;You think that Fast and Furious is a justification for behavior that is just assinine. &nbsp;You seem to think that being out ahead of it affords you some moral highground for being a jacka$$ wannabe rice clown. &nbsp;Wrong again, pal. &nbsp;You want respect, do it where the pros do it - not where the leading demographic for Clearasil thinks they are king. &nbsp;Got skills - go to a controlled event and compete. &nbsp;If not, stick with GT-3 or some other video game... don't risk my life so you can be the king of the jackwads that can't drive.

6. &nbsp;You think that Civic hatches have anything to do with a discussion of how much of an a$$clown you are. &nbsp;Wrong again - but thanks for playing. &nbsp;

I think the best thing that I can say about you - aside from the fact that your baseless lifespan will pass in a blink of an eye in terms of the history of man - is that I think you are full of SH!T.

Here's an idea - lets see some pictures of the yard and the car from the drifting accident? &nbsp;I'd bet money that you are blowing smoke up our asses and just being a troll. &nbsp;I bet you have downloaded every episode of Initial D and think you can share the plotlines as though they were your own stories. &nbsp;Why - because I can't imagine anyone capable of being granted a drivers license (or a pass to get out of the institution) coming up with the crap you've spewed today.

Do me a favor - go check out www.clubsi.com (they have pictures of naked Asian girls over there!! &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp; ) and get the hell out of here.

[DSC]

This does come up far too often, but so do threads about people drifting.
Most likely this thread will be locked, but not before it gets down right mean like all drifting threads do.
But...while I'm here
I'd say to anybody under 18, your not as good as you think <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Myself being 17, in the first week I had my car I realized I wasn't a good driver. Definately not ready to start working on advanced driving techniques such as drifting. Since then, I've learned and got good at a few other techniques that really should be learned before one attempts drifting. One being heal-toe downshift...I can downshift about as fast as I can upshift with out any or very minor disruption to available traction. This is very important since while carying out long drifts, you start to lose speed and will have to downshift mid-drift to be in the powerband for maxium exit speed. I've been practicing most evey day for the past seven months on the way to work or to a movie or whatever to get my shifting/brakeing/steering better/smoother/faster. I think now and only now am I good enough at regualr driving/racing technuques (don't get me wrong, i've still got a long way to go) to make a real attempt at "drifting". So if you've only had your car a month or three, you should really reevaluate how well you can drive WITH traction before you start trying to drive WITHOUT traction.

[Yoshi]

damn Hippo.
U the man, that was a rant worthy of my own explosive diarrhea-mouth prowess &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[halyoder]

i guess that i'am just a 21 year old punk that likes hot rodding my 240 also hahahaha! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ April 11 2002,4:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">damn Hippo.
U the man, that was a rant worthy of my own explosive diarrhea-mouth prowess <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thanks.

I'd like to note for the record that this has nothing to do with drifting and everything to do with monkey-pumpers like him &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

[roast]

*stand* and applaud Hippo!!! *clap* *clap*

[XylathaneGTR]

I learned the hard way in the TypeR forum... &nbsp; Dont Piss off HippoSleek...or you'll have one hell of a rant comming to yah.
lols...but he does bring up some good points...that guys an IDIOT to risk peoples lives in a residential neighboor hood while drifting. &nbsp;
You dont have much control...think about it...Your drifting along the corner of "Maple Street and Suburban Drive" when some little 3 year old runs out into the street. &nbsp;
Wow...u just ran over a kid.

See, theres no problem with drifting in a deserted parking lot at 2 in the morning, or some back country roads, but not in a residential neighboor hood at 1 in the afternoon.
Ur a dumbass dude (who ever hippo was yelling at.)

[LanceS13]

damn Mark...you said everything I just about said in my first post (for some reason I deleted it all, tried my best to be nice, and just hoped he would go away or grow up). &nbsp;Bravo! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>



For the &nbsp;sake of peace....closing. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>