Wing Effectiveness

[drifterX87]

Do any wings actually help you while drifting?  I would thin not seeing that the fastest your probably going to go is 60 or so?  I dont know, I could be wrong.  Please let me know if you have something.  Thanks,

Mike

[LanceS13]

It probably wouldn't matter one way or another.   But even if it did, why would you want downforce on the rear if you're trying to make the rears break traction?

[Takumi]

That's why you see a lot of drifters go wingless. Rarely have I seen a drifter with a gigantic wing. &nbsp;No, those so-called "drift" wings (whale tail) don't count. Those are actually "wangan" wings, like, highway battling, there's no such thing as a "drift wing". &nbsp;Oh boy did I find that out the hard way when someone gave me shit about mentioning the term "drift wing". <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[w0o0rd]

yeah the added weight will make it a little harder to breake loose. thats why its hard as hell to drift a mr2

[DrDubbleB]

Not so much the weight, as the downforce (I guess maybe if you meant weight of the wind, you would be right). &nbsp;After all, the reason GT wings, etc. really exist, is to keep the ass planted during high speed cornering.

[w0o0rd]

0ops now i know and knowing is half the battle!!!

[AceInHole]

and unless the wing is a couple feet above the rear deck, it's not going to do much anyways.....

[DSC]

w0o0rd, it was my understanding that mr2's were a little TOO easy to drift...IE they are tail happy because of the momentum of their heavy ass. Were you saying "its hard as hell to drift a mr2" based on your theory or actual application? Actual weight doesn't really add to traction around corners, since momentum is a bigger factor in maintaining grip. This is where downforce comes in, it adds "weight" to the back without really adding weight so there is no increase in momentum but an increase in traction.

[BryanH]

No, w0o0rd is right, MR2s are pretty hard to drift [showoff-style drifting]. &nbsp;You're correct in that they do want to get sideways quite easily, especially at higher speeds. &nbsp;The problem is keeping the drift going gracefully and not spinning out. &nbsp;With all that inertia back there, once the back end gets loose it wants to go all the way around on you. &nbsp;And with such a short wheelbase, low polar moment, and quite a bit of traction at the rear, it's very difficult to balance the car in a drift. &nbsp;The MKI NA model is particularly difficult due to a distinct lack of torque (97ft-lbs at the flywheel!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>. &nbsp;Additionally, only 93-95 Turbo models had LSD available as an option.

This is close to the best I've been able to do in my stock MKI MR2: http://hammer.prohosting.com/~ccimoc/drift/aw11drift.avi . &nbsp;You'll notice the thing snaps back to gripping rather suddenly. &nbsp;In the AE86, and a friend's MR2 with worked suspension, the drift can be carried more gracefully with a smooth exit.

[jskim9]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ April 06 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">w0o0rd, it was my understanding that mr2's were a little TOO easy to drift...IE they are tail happy because of the momentum of their heavy ass. Were you saying "its hard as hell to drift a mr2" based on your theory or actual application? Actual weight doesn't really add to traction around corners, since momentum is a bigger factor in maintaining grip. This is where downforce comes in, it adds "weight" to the back without really adding weight so there is no increase in momentum but an increase in traction.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I heard the MR2's difficulty in drifting comes not from a heavy ass, but just the light front end that makes it too easy to oversteer making it hard to keep a good drift going. &nbsp;MR2's however are considered very good grip cars. &nbsp;I mean, MR2's aren't exactly heavy cars. anyone got specs? too lazy to go find out myself. But I do know they have a weight distribution similar to a porsche and other mid and rear engine cars.

[drifterx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ April 07 2002,12:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">w0o0rd, it was my understanding that mr2's were a little TOO easy to drift...IE they are tail happy because of the momentum of their heavy ass. Were you saying "its hard as hell to drift a mr2" based on your theory or actual application? Actual weight doesn't really add to traction around corners, since momentum is a bigger factor in maintaining grip. This is where downforce comes in, it adds "weight" to the back without really adding weight so there is no increase in momentum but an increase in traction.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i drove a MR2 turbo and nonturbo before and they are very easy to drift

[drifterx]

NO SUCH THING AS A
"DRIFT WING"