KA peoples, talk to me.

[TheSpeedFactor]

Hey all,

Well with SR's costing more and more these days and it being hard to find a descent one seems to have a lot of people looking into KA-t options.

We have been building big power turbo cars for years now and with the high quality parts that we use we have had tremendous success.

We are exploring the idea of offering similar products for the KA tuners out there.

Here is an exmaple of what one of the kits might consist of...

Basic Garrett Kit:
- True SS, American Made Manifold (Top Mount) Garunteed not to crack.
- True Garrett Turbocharger - with choice of turbos (t3/t4, GT in various configurations)
- Ture Tial wastegate
- SS Oil Lines (water lines if needed)
- 3" SS Down Pipe
-All Gaskets and other install hardware.
Pricing on the kit would probably start at about $2100 for t3/t4 applications and about $2500 for GT applications.

We can even offer an intercooler kit with it. We could offer Extrude Tube cores for low boost apps and bar and plate cores for high psi applications. Complete with piping.

As you can see nothing we use is a knock off, everything is a quality, established product that we have seen work time after time.

What do you guys think? is this something you would like to see us explore? What suggestions do you have? what would you like to see to fit your needs?

Thanks in advance and i look forward to hearing from you guys.

--mods-- if this is in the wrong place please move it.

Thank you for the space

Marti

[TheSnail]

Did you contact the Mods about this? Lets see some pics and warrenty, to compete with the 2500 ebayed greddy kit.

[infinitexsound]

well yeah pics would be nice past customer reviews would be great...ummm err... dyno's a plus... good pricing is a plus....us zilvians understand u get what u pay for... but quality is one of the main concerns... will ur DP bolt up to existing exhaust systems.... yah know...

[SpdElemts]

some other company makes a similar kit with a frontmount for about the same price so you would have to be competitive with them

[TheSnail]

some other company makes a similar kit with a frontmount for about the same price so you would have to be competitive with them

What companies do that? Infinite and me are realistically clowning.

[kandyflip445]

You need fuel management to go with that kit.

[AllenRPS13]

any pics? i am interested.

[m0rex]

Not really but to make it a real complete kit. I myself started with purchasing my fuel system first then started looking for a turbo kit. I didnt want to buy a kit but it was a good deal so yeah.

[SR240DET]

i would not buy a turbo kit without an intercooler..... its like "eatting cake without the icing" -corky bell :) its a must.... so would the kit come with intercooler with piping? if not then thats too much...

[tiggs]

What companies do that? Infinite and me are realistically clowning.

umm

www.boostdesigns.com

If you guys can make a kit comparable to theirs then I'd be in for one by then end of summer.

edit: i'm looking at the stage 1 kit from BD btw, give me a little more quality with a price in the same area and I'll be extremely interested.

[Gjohnson7]

^^^^^ I'm with him. I have been looking at the boost designs kit too. I have a spare Ka that a guy is giving me for free. So, I'm looking to rebuild it then bick up the best kit. Keep us posted.

[Jeff240sx]

Guys. Go to NICO and read about Boost Designs. The guy is an assbag, who yells at his customers, refuses to listen to reason, and passes the blame to others.
People have waited 3 weeks for an item, and he says "ITS NORMAL MANUFACTURING TIME!!! AND THE WAIT IS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE!!" Well.. if they ordered a turbo KIT than leadtime is fine. People are complaining that they've been waiting nearly a month for a HEADGASKET or turbo. Things that aren't manufactured.
Personally, my BD manifold has a major issue with boost creep. 6.5psi spring ran 9-10psi. My 10.5psi spring has made 14psi before I let off the gas.
-Jeff

[TheSpeedFactor]

well like i mentioned it is just something we are considering at the moment so i don't have any pictures of the kit.

Here are some pictures of the EVOVIII Kit:
http://thespeedfactor.com/files/TSF/evokit1.jpg
http://thespeedfactor.com/files/TSF/evokit2.jpg

Hopefully that gives you an idea of the kind of kits we produce.

Mainly i just wanted to see if there was interest in a kit like this before we spend the time and money on R&D.

We can include the kit with the front mount, piping and BOV and we have also considered offering a Sheet Metal Intake Manifold and a top feed injector fuel rail.

[TheSnail]

That looks nice. Not bad at all. Get to work and lets se the turbo kit!

[TOMY]

well, wouldn't boost creap be a wastegate problem not a manifold problem?

[Ritz S14]

When a kit is ordered, how long would it take to manufacture and ship the merchandise?

[SR240DET]

well, wouldn't boost creap be a wastegate problem not a manifold problem?

if your waste gate port is too small itll have problems.... ( :down: with boostdesigns...) i thought the mods said his manifold was awesome so iv been trying to build a setup around his stupid manifold... but im not gonna do it anymore... ill just go with revhard.... cast is also a plus..

i like to thank Jeff for always challenging boostdesigns about his products(pointing somthing out... and question why he did it).... it made me not wanna have anything to do with him....

good luck on the kit....

[TheSpeedFactor]

we would never sell the kit unless we had EVERYTHING stacked up and ready to ship. We have our mani's made like 20 at a time and that is normally the hardest part.

I was just doing some numbers and we could probably offer a complete kit:
-Turbo
-FMIC W/ Piping and BOV (just about any)
-down Pipe (to stock Cat)
-WasteGate (routed back to Down Pipe)
-Intake
-Manifold
-Line Kits
-Couplers
-T-Bolts
-Gaskets
For Roughly $2800-$3500 depending on the setup.

[TheSpeedFactor]

we could offer anything from t3/t4's (48trim-60-1), GT2871, gt3071, gt3076, gt35r you name it.

[Aoshi112]

I think that sounds like a fair price on all the goods listed. How much would a fuel setup run then?

[kandyflip445]

Would you be able to sell it without a turbo?

[TheSpeedFactor]

i am not sure about the fuel system, it would depend on how far you wanteds to go. We like to use SS fuel lines for the feed and return with a good fuel pressure regulator and 550-750cc injectors.

We don't sell any of our kits as components because there are too many garbage turbos out there and i don't want those to be run on our kit and then some numb nut say our kit sucks because he bought a XS power turbo.

[Jeff240sx]

I thought the boost creep was a wastegate problem, also. I had a Tial 35mm for 2.5 years. Ran 6.5psi solid on my old RevHard manifold. Creeped on the BD manifold. So I got the biggest wastegate that has the 2-bolt flange, a Tial 38/40mm hybrid gate. Still creeps, implying that the wastegate piping cannot get rid of the exhaust fast enough, causing it to backup and spool the turbo. If holding the throttle at 50-60%, I can keep 10psi. Any more and it overboosts. 100% a manifold/downpipe issue now.
I've always challenged him because he does things in a way that's just stupid. Like his exhaust.. cannot be used for NA applications, because it ONLY bolts to his downpipe. What.. 5% of 240sx owners are KA-T? But probably 60% will buy or have an exhaust. So why not just make a cat-back like everyone else?
But yea, depending on what mods said his stuff was good.. I thought the manifold, once ceramic coated, would be fine. Now I have to grind the ceramic off and do some welding, or sell it and get a different manifold/downpipe. But even getting his downpipe to work with a standard aftermarket (ford 5-bolt) t3/4 turbo was a bitch.. took ~4 hours with a tig welder to do. His stuff sucks and he's an asshole. I really suggest people stay away.
-Jeff

[Jeff240sx]

i am not sure about the fuel system, it would depend on how far you wanteds to go. We like to use SS fuel lines for the feed and return with a good fuel pressure regulator and 550-750cc injectors.

We don't sell any of our kits as components because there are too many garbage turbos out there and i don't want those to be run on our kit and then some numb nut say our kit sucks because he bought a XS power turbo.

Stainless lines are a problem because our return mates with a steel fuel line, and our fuel filter has a hose barb. Fuel setups are something turbo kit manufacturers shouldn't deal with, in my opinion. A good setup puts your kit's price out of reach for most people, while a bad one gets your kit bashed (like Boost Design's 12:1 fmu. A high pressure Walbro pump can't pump at the pressures made at 8psi of boost).
And not selling components separately isn't really a good idea either. Once the person lists his mods, and "XS power turbo" pops up, anyone you'd want as a customer would laugh at him anyway. However, a turbo is a turbo for the most part.. so that was a bad example. But I get your point. Again, once shoddy components are listed by someone bashing your stuff, anyone with an ounce of intelligence will ignore it. If you stick with the "no parting out" stance, you will also shoot yourself in the foot. People like me who are in the market for a new manifold, but am happy with the rest of my setup (or want a ball bearing turbo, not your turbo) will skip past your kit.
-Jeff

[ghostuss]

wooahh. That's some serious bashing on a proven company.

[Jeff240sx]

wooahh. That's some serious bashing on a proven company.

Proven? Where have you been for the past couple months. They've slid into the shitter.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=118556
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3801

I can dig up tons of these. The guy is a lieing asshole, and it's starting to come out. He's still sucking the dicks of admins on ka-t.org and nico, so the mods there are babysitting his company and deleting alot of the disgruntled threads. Search KA-T.org for posts by me with the search term "boost designs" and you can see more of his "i'm a know it all jackoff" posts.
-Jeff

[SR240DET]

if you can offer a manifold with whatever turbo you offer and turbo outlet/DP whatever you guys call it for stock CAT then i say you have something..... ( i mig welded my first test pipe and it fell apart... hahah) so yeah.. you have me sold there.... atleast...

[infinitexsound]

Pricing on the kit would probably start at about $2100 for t3/t4 applications and about $2500 for GT applications. <<<<<<<<<<<what happend???? now its For Roughly $2800-$3500 depending on the setup. hmmmmmmmmmmm iono man i like the first sentence thanks for getting my hopes up now ill go back to making a good pieced together kit...

[SR240DET]

the price change is when he said something about adding a FMIC... yeah i dont like that price change when adding a FMIC

[SimpleS14]

Damn you guys are very picky on pricing. Anyways, I have to agree that selling the manifold alone would be a good option to think about.

[TheSpeedFactor]

nothing is set folks. Remember this is all just brain storm. Once we figure out what all will be included and we get a kit made we can look into pricing but those number were just off the top of my head Guess-timates.

We could make the down pipe to go to the stock cat, that way you can run a test pipe, hi flow cat or anything else and still keep your cat-back.

[SR240DET]

if you can do that then that was be great.....

[TheSpeedFactor]

tell you what.... what hp do you think we should target? i'm talking on pump gas. Do you guys want a kit to get you into 250-300-350-400-500000189576whp?

[kandyflip445]

Um. Most people will say 300+ but only have money for 250-300.

[OptionZero]

250 RWHP for the low level, 350-400 for the next level seems nice. The Greddy kit for $2500-3000 only puts out what, 200rwhp at 6psi?

[infinitexsound]

350hp is good.. since we know how much our stock internals can handle thanks to IVAN... ummm honestly id be happy with anything over 250..

[Gjohnson7]

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that your company is definitely planning on producing a ka24det kit. That is, since its posted on the website as "coming soon". :hs:

[Wei240]

if you build it, they will come...

250 at the wheels is def good enough for the low/basic level as i'm betting that most people are only willing to pay for this much anyways

and you're planning to make for s13/s14? just some minor differences...

[Gjohnson7]

P.S. and yeah!!! 250 to 300hp sounds good to me.

[infinitexsound]

daymn.... this is kinda getting my hopes up... i should calm myself down before i get to over excited...but build it a good kit and they will come....like wei240 said...

[TheSpeedFactor]

well we are really considering it. We have seen quite a bit of folks ask for it but we are just afraid that after we put all the time and money into it no one will buy it. Sure we can throw together a bunch of cheap ass parts and sell it but we beleive in quality and the car will preform well when given the right tools to do so and we feel our kits are some of the highest quality tools you will find. :coold:

[SimpleS14]

Don't worry, people will buy your kit once quality and overall performance is proven. Best way to do that is thru making a prototype and sharing the progress with this community. IMO

[kandyflip445]

And a group buy would help too.

[infinitexsound]

+1 for group buy

[SR240DET]

maby you should get in touch with enthalopy (SP) for a ecu tune also.... his shit seems better than JWT and he also uses only s13 ecus with a harness for s14's.. not sure about OBD2 s14's... and i havent heard anything bad from him at all.... anyways... on a good KA with stock internals 250hp is good and 300hp is pushing it... from what i have read in the past 4 years.... so a basic kit for that would be awesome

[tiggs]

tell you what.... what hp do you think we should target? i'm talking on pump gas. Do you guys want a kit to get you into 250-300-350-400-500000189576whp?

To be honest, for me my first goal is between 200-250hp. I want to have a fun car to drive. Once I get hooked to boosting, then I'll work on more like building the internals to handle more. I'd like to see a base kit that hits in that hp range, then you could offer cetain upgrades at a higher cost etc.. basically a stage 1..2..3..4..5..100 type scheme ya know?

[Jeff240sx]

maby you should get in touch with enthalopy (SP) for a ecu tune also.... his shit seems better than JWT and he also uses only s13 ecus with a harness for s14's.. not sure about OBD2 s14's... and i havent heard anything bad from him at all.... anyways... on a good KA with stock internals 250hp is good and 300hp is pushing it... from what i have read in the past 4 years.... so a basic kit for that would be awesome

350rwhp is good for stock internals. TY did it for ~4 years. 400rwhp is where the ringlands give up.. so the closer you approach 400, the less life your engine has. 350 would be perfectly fine though.
The obd2 -> obd1 harness for s14s is $150 or so, and removes all obd-2 controls, meaning obd2 checks will fail. And his harnesses are backordered. However, it seems to be a better tune. If I didn't need an ecu right now, I'd go to Scott rather than sending my ecu back to JWT.
And it's Enthalpy if you're trying to search for him.
-Jeff

[Ritz S14]

Let me know when these kits are available. I wanna be first in line to order!! I'll even do a writeup and what not :):):)

[TheSpeedFactor]

guys thanks alot of your time and input. it is greatly asppreciatted.

We probably wouldn't do a group buy because we aren't fans of them. I think they are a drain on the industry and price whoring is really killing a lot of quality manufacturers out there. It's also one of the reasons we have hesitated to offer a kit such as this until now. It seems like people are in more of a hurry to make something cheap and shiney than durable and proven.

We could however offer a intro promo like the first ten get a one time price. Something along those lines.

[smellslikecurry]

will you be making kits for sohc?

[Gjohnson7]

We could however offer a intro promo like the first ten get a one time price. Something along those lines.

Well, if that's the case. Get with me and we'll plan the release around one of my bonus checks. :D

[infinitexsound]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh selling to zilvia members in a groupbuy is one of the best things u can do.... word travels fast on this forum next thing u know little first time drivers would want it cause everyone on zilvia has em... and they wanna be a part of the elite.... on zilvia... yah know

[AzNCmB]

i'm about to rebuild my motor and in a couple of months, i'll be looking for a good reliable kit that would help me produce 250-300whp. So, I may be in on this too..

[TheSpeedFactor]

anyone else have any more input to share?

[SimpleS14]

Right now is the best time to enter the market since Boost Designs has failed miserably. The only options people have for a full kit are GReddy, XS Engineering, N-Sports, and Turbonetics (sorry if I'm missing any others). There's also Phat KA-T...but their prices can steer some people away.

Anywho, good luck.

[kandyflip445]

What's that plate on the #4 runner of the 4g63?