S16

[drifterX87]

Reading some of the topics below I noticed people mentioning the S16 and R35.  Does anybod have any good pics of concepts of these cars?  Werent the going to start making the 240 again in the states?  If you have any please post them, Thanks,

Mike

[Zemus]

Well if im not mistaken, the R35 is going to be the G35 Ininity or something, they have a concept of the R35 it look like this
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2001_nissan_skyline_gtr-1.jpg
but i dont think their going to do it, im not sure.

But i havent heard of the s16, i heard they stoped making silvias, rumors, or not, im not sure. Here is a pick of the Ininity G35

http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2003_infiniti_g35_sport_coupe-2.jpg
Rumor has it, that it is the american Skyline, without AWD and TT, how sad, and it doesnt even have the tail lights, <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> cry for the skyline, CRY FOR THE SKYLINE

[drifterX87]

STOPPED MAKING SILVIAS!!!! &nbsp; &nbsp;damn THOSE NISSAN BASTARDS!!! &nbsp; *Goes into deep depression and constant crying* &nbsp;NOOOOOO!!!!
We at Zilvia.net need to go to Nissan and take over design and production, Whos with me!!

Mike

[Zemus]

I think so, i heard about it a bit again, ask around

[sykikchimp]

From what I know they are seperating the two cars.. &nbsp;The Skyline, and GTR. &nbsp;The picture above is the GTR concept. &nbsp;The pic below is the G35 coupe. &nbsp;the G35 coupe Is the Skyline. &nbsp;The GTR is a Different car.

I've read that the S16 is suppose to come to america in articles, but there was some buzz a while back about it being slated for DEATH. &nbsp;It'll be a toss up, and we really won't know until nissan wants up to know. &nbsp;Either way, they gotta give us more than 1 2 door car. &nbsp;They have a niche to fill. &nbsp;2 door Sports coupe that is in the low 20's high teen's. &nbsp;What better to fit the bill than the S16.

[Zemus]

forget the S16, just give us the S15 with the SR and we will be happy, we dont need any fancey concept car, i bet u all that the s16 will look fucking retarded, just cuz its a concept car, and its going to look like the new skyline, which doesnt look kewl, the only concept cars that are kewl are the new Nissan Z and the RX8. the RX8 looks bad ass, kinda like a s2000 but with rotary and it has suicide doors, yay

[drifterX87]

Yes, thats exactly what they should do. &nbsp;All of these concept cars are going for show and no go. &nbsp;GRRRR what happened to the 50's?

Mike

[onebadm5]

s15 production ends in august, and there is no contract renewal for the silvia. no mas...

[AceInHole]

IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake..... if anything, take the G35 coupe and badge it as a Nissan, possibly a 2 door altima or a 250sx (although the G35 coupe tails are just plain sick IMO). &nbsp;Obviously it would get the QR25, maybe with the VQ35 as an upgrade (as in the Alty). &nbsp;Sharing platforms/ powerplants will keep costs down, and thus turn more profit.

The G35 is basically the next Skyline, in coupe or sedan form (note how the Skyline has always had a sedan form itself, even a few high performance sedan versions). &nbsp;As previously stated (and seemingly completely unread) the GTR is now going to be its own car.

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 05 2002,09:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
agreed! the sr and the silvia may be a great motor/platform combo, but they are quite aged. i think nissan is doing good from a business standpoint. they are getting all their shit together and building cars people will buy tons of. hopefull after they get fully re-established, they can turn around and start churning out some well done serious performance cars.

[vancouvers14]

nissan would get slaughtered at home if they kept selling the SR (a 14 year old engine). &nbsp;Its time to move on.

all ive ever seen of the s16 are tiny photoshopped pics, so i dont think it even exists, even as a design. &nbsp;maybe theyll bring it back in the future, like ford did with the tbird. &nbsp;theres a very small market for sports cars right now, and i think nissan will be focusing all their $ right money on the Z.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake..... if anything, take the G35 coupe and badge it as a Nissan, possibly a 2 door altima or a 250sx (although the G35 coupe tails are just plain sick IMO). Obviously it would get the QR25, maybe with the VQ35 as an upgrade (as in the Alty). Sharing platforms/ powerplants will keep costs down, and thus turn more profit.

The G35 is basically the next Skyline, in coupe or sedan form (note how the Skyline has always had a sedan form itself, even a few high performance sedan versions). As previously stated (and seemingly completely unread) the GTR is now going to be its own car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I am soo with you on that. Nissan can't keep makeing the same old mistakes. Holding on to a power plant or chassis for the sake of it's cult status alone is never a good idea.

If nissan still thinks there is a niche for a budget sports coupe, the s16 then it will most certanly be built on the XVL chassis. As for a powerplant who knows? the SR and RB are both dated. This begs the question why bother in the first place? This would make 4 cars built on the same chassis.

The new Z
The new Skyline / G35
The pending GTR
The rumored new Silvia?

This gets back to the heart of over segmenting it's market share. The whole point of migrating to a single chassis for these cars in the first place. THere is not point in robbing peter to pay Paul. In essence a new S car would do just that.

If they price it lower than the Z they won't make any money, or it will be a dog. Make it faster and more $$$ and they are competing with them selves. What is the point?

[drifterX87]

I think they should stop making Shitty imitations of the wondercars they have over there and just sell the same cars on each hemisphere. &nbsp;That is where the origional problem started I think. &nbsp;GRRR. &nbsp;Oh well,

Mike

[jskim9]

according to Option 2
http://www.eframes.com/ef-cgi/c/conlaw78_yahoo_com/5718s16_small.jpg

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 05 2002,12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,12:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">IMO, continuing the SR would be nissan's worst mistake..... if anything, take the G35 coupe and badge it as a Nissan, possibly a 2 door altima or a 250sx (although the G35 coupe tails are just plain sick IMO). Obviously it would get the QR25, maybe with the VQ35 as an upgrade (as in the Alty). Sharing platforms/ powerplants will keep costs down, and thus turn more profit.

The G35 is basically the next Skyline, in coupe or sedan form (note how the Skyline has always had a sedan form itself, even a few high performance sedan versions). As previously stated (and seemingly completely unread) the GTR is now going to be its own car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I am soo with you on that. Nissan can't keep makeing the same old mistakes. Holding on to a power plant or chassis for the sake of it's cult status alone is never a good idea.

If nissan still thinks there is a niche for a budget sports coupe, the s16 then it will most certanly be built on the XVL chassis. As for a powerplant who knows? the SR and RB are both dated. This begs the question why bother in the first place? This would make 4 cars built on the same chassis.

The new Z
The new Skyline / G35
The pending GTR
The rumored new Silvia?

This gets back to the heart of over segmenting it's market share. The whole point of migrating to a single chassis for these cars in the first place. THere is not point in robbing peter to pay Paul. In essence a new S car would do just that.

If they price it lower than the Z they won't make any money, or it will be a dog. Make it faster and more $$$ and they are competing with them selves. What is the point?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
AMEN &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;I'll only add: Have you seen the low price of the base model 350z? &nbsp;IIRC, $27,000!!!

The window sticker from my car was $24K. &nbsp;Add 7 years and only $3,000? &nbsp;But wait, that's for a Z! &nbsp;Why bother with the "S" car? &nbsp;It either needs to swim DOWNstream (as in base model RSX/Civic) or disappear. &nbsp;(and the new SE-R seems to already occupy that niche - albeit with 4 doors). &nbsp;Either way, it doesn't involve a badass turbo or large displacement sports motor. &nbsp;I think the reality is that Nissan woke up and smelled the black ink <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[sykikchimp]

They just need to offer the Se-r in 2 door, which I'm sure they will. &nbsp;It'd be nice of them to offer a turbo package too.. &nbsp;but I doubt that will happen. &nbsp;cheaper to build N/A engines.

[AceInHole]

A bit of theory:

consider this: &nbsp;the XVL platform will already be out... a proven FR platform that we can already see being lengthened out to a 2+2 version in the G35. &nbsp;Apparently Nissan beleives that there is a lot of use for this chassis, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them creating a lower end Nissan of the G35, besides the Z. &nbsp;
The Z car fills their "heart, soul, and performance of a sports car" niche, the G35 fills the luxury sports coupe niche... and they've already fallen behind performance wise in the sport compact car area.... &nbsp;it's pretty much a goal of Nissan to have the best performing cars in each segment of the auto industry, and the Spec V can't hang with cars that are simply more performance oriented, just being based on a sedan. &nbsp;Introduce the Silvia... as a 250sx, based on the G35 with the QR25DE engine, and you've got a car that parts already exist for, and is EASILY UPGRADEABLE (which is what the sport compact car is all about) just from its platform being shared with the 350z (can you say "bolt in engine swap to 280+hp" ??).
Hey Nissan, are you listening???

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,3:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A bit of theory:

consider this: the XVL platform will already be out... a proven FR platform that we can already see being lengthened out to a 2+2 version in the G35. Apparently Nissan beleives that there is a lot of use for this chassis, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them creating a lower end Nissan of the G35, besides the Z.
The Z car fills their "heart, soul, and performance of a sports car" niche, the G35 fills the luxury sports coupe niche... and they've already fallen behind performance wise in the sport compact car area.... it's pretty much a goal of Nissan to have the best performing cars in each segment of the auto industry, and the Spec V can't hang with cars that are simply more performance oriented, just being based on a sedan. Introduce the Silvia... as a 250sx, based on the G35 with the QR25DE engine, and you've got a car that parts already exist for, and is EASILY UPGRADEABLE (which is what the sport compact car is all about) just from its platform being shared with the 350z (can you say "bolt in engine swap to 280+hp" ??).
Hey Nissan, are you listening???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That is a cool idea, but I think there are a few holes in your theory.

1. How much would Nissan sell this for? Seeing as how the Z will only be 27,000 ot start. That is a pretty tight budget. The V-spec is what $19,000? That is slicing the pie pretty thin if you ask me. It would be more profitable to talk some one up to a low end z than have a 22-24K 250sx gobbeling up buisness. Remember that is what got the 240 in hot watter before.

2. I think that Nissan might me more inclined to bring the GTR, than a new Silvia/250sx. People in the states still have a bad taste in their mouth's of what the 240 ended up as, a luxo-coupe that did neither well. The GTR has a rock solid reputation and if the new encarnation lives up to the prototype it will be a much better performer than the current r34. The Z and the G35 could be testing the waters. After all a REAL performance flag ship has done wonders for lots of companies in the past (read: Dodge). Even Subaru has boosted their sales dramatically with the introduction of the WRX. Imagine what kind of a fuss the GTR could drumb up!

WHile I think that the idea of a new S car here or abroad, would be cool. I don't see where or how it would fit in with Nissan's future plans. Aside form the name living on....I don't think there is any real gain to any current 240/sylvia owners. After all the chassis will be the XVL no matter what and the sr is going away for sure, so no new super easy swaps. But this just means that we all own a piece of Nissan history <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[drifterX87]

Oh how sad change can be. &nbsp;If only we could keep the past and reciece the new. &nbsp;So they are going to be building like four cars on a single chassis? &nbsp;That sounds like a good idea but if thats what they are going to do Im not too sure itll work. &nbsp;Its like making a corvette and monte carlo on the same steel. &nbsp;Aw well, nothing I can really do except pray like Im obsessive compulsive,

Mike

[LanceS13]

Here's an idea...although, it'd probably never happen b/c it would most likely require a new chassis design, which might make affordability impossible, and it'd no longer really be an S chassis car...but anyway. Why let Mazda and Toyota control the affordable roadster market? I wouldn't mind seeing the 240 evolving to fill this niche...smaller size, lighter weight, get rid of that useless backseat, etc...maybe even design it as a convertible. It would pretty much be a complete makeover, but it would allow Nissan to fill that niche...I dunno, just some random thoughts that may or may not be practical.

[sykikchimp]

There is a price range and niche untouched by nissan currently. SE-R is base priced at 15,999.00 (on website) and currently fits into the sport econo car niche. such as civic, and corolla.

The "250sx" would fit in the 19-25 range. which includes the market segment of about 18-28 year olds. This will not infringe on the Z sales. &nbsp;1. because of insurance on a 2-seat Sports car. &nbsp;2. B/c parents don't like to buy "Pure Sports Cars" for their College students.

The Z's BASE prise is 26.2.. Nissan doesn't intend to sell a lot of cars at this price. Otherwise they would not have offered SO many upgrade packages. price ranges from $26-35K dollars. They are targeting the 30-32K spending range of cars. That leaves a 10k dollar hole and a market segment untouched. A market segment that leads to future purchases. They CAN NOT leave that segment untouched. What do you think the RSX is? it is a car designed for younger buyers to get them loyal. same with the Celica.

Whether they bring over the S16 or some other New car line. They have to do something. There is a lot of money, and future repeat customers out there they are missing out on.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 04 2002,5:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,3:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A bit of theory:

consider this: the XVL platform will already be out... a proven FR platform that we can already see being lengthened out to a 2+2 version in the G35. Apparently Nissan beleives that there is a lot of use for this chassis, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to imagine them creating a lower end Nissan of the G35, besides the Z.
The Z car fills their "heart, soul, and performance of a sports car" niche, the G35 fills the luxury sports coupe niche... and they've already fallen behind performance wise in the sport compact car area.... it's pretty much a goal of Nissan to have the best performing cars in each segment of the auto industry, and the Spec V can't hang with cars that are simply more performance oriented, just being based on a sedan. Introduce the Silvia... as a 250sx, based on the G35 with the QR25DE engine, and you've got a car that parts already exist for, and is EASILY UPGRADEABLE (which is what the sport compact car is all about) just from its platform being shared with the 350z (can you say "bolt in engine swap to 280+hp" ??).
Hey Nissan, are you listening???</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That is a cool idea, but I think there are a few holes in your theory.

1. How much would Nissan sell this for? Seeing as how the Z will only be 27,000 ot start. That is a pretty tight budget. The V-spec is what $19,000? That is slicing the pie pretty thin if you ask me. It would be more profitable to talk some one up to a low end z than have a 22-24K 250sx gobbeling up buisness. Remember that is what got the 240 in hot watter before.

2. I think that Nissan might me more inclined to bring the GTR, than a new Silvia/250sx. People in the states still have a bad taste in their mouth's of what the 240 ended up as, a luxo-coupe that did neither well. The GTR has a rock solid reputation and if the new encarnation lives up to the prototype it will be a much better performer than the current r34. The Z and the G35 could be testing the waters. After all a REAL performance flag ship has done wonders for lots of companies in the past (read: Dodge). Even Subaru has boosted their sales dramatically with the introduction of the WRX. Imagine what kind of a fuss the GTR could drumb up!

WHile I think that the idea of a new S car here or abroad, would be cool. I don't see where or how it would fit in with Nissan's future plans. Aside form the name living on....I don't think there is any real gain to any current 240/sylvia owners. After all the chassis will be the XVL no matter what and the sr is going away for sure, so no new super easy swaps. But this just means that we all own a piece of Nissan history <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
1. &nbsp;Well... you've gotta remember the Spec V is a sedan... a coupe priced the same as the Spec V would satisfy the needs of those who don't want a 4-door, but can't quite afford the extra $8000-$10,000 to get the z, which will most likely have dealer markups anyways (which pushes that price difference even more). &nbsp;I'd say a 4-cyl performance coupe fits into the Nissan lineup without stepping on anyone's toes.

2. &nbsp;The GTR will most likely be out of the range of the common car enthusiast anyways... but of course they'll make it. &nbsp;Even though, the Z is their flagship, as a perfect symbol of the Nissan attitude of more performance than everyone else at less cost. &nbsp;
I'd also go so far as to say a car labeled a "Silvia" or even a 250z would not bring up memories of the poor 240sx.... the 240sx is seeing somewhat of a resurgance anyways.

3. &nbsp;About swaps.... if it's the XVL chassis, why in God's name would you go to a crappy SR motor when a VQ would assumably drop right in??? &nbsp;You'd also have Brembo brakes available to bolt on, assumably shared suspension components with other XVL cars.... possibilities would be endless.

[drifterX87]

Pray to God that they do not turn the 240 into a civic. I would rather see the car rest in piece than to have it come back as another RICE BOY TOY car that every grandma and 20 year old will drive. &nbsp;You do have a point sykikmonkey, You live in Charlotte? &nbsp;which part. &nbsp;I'm in the matthews weddington area.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,5:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They CAN NOT leave that segment untouched. What do you think the RSX is? it is a car designed for younger buyers to get them loyal. same with the Celica.

Whether they bring over the S16 or some other New car line. They have to do something. There is a lot of money, and future repeat customers out there they are missing out on.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
This is the biggest part... right now, Nissan has NOTHING in the RSX area.... the Spec V is underpowered and outhandled right off the bat... it'll compete with the CTR, but not much more.

The sport compact car area is all about the aftermarket, and manufacturers are realising this (Nismo is coming to the US... apparently Nissan is one of those manufacturers). &nbsp;If you have a car that's based on a more pure performance car, you're going to come across a ton of extra available aftermarket parts that were designed for one car, fitting the other (Brembo brake option on the 350z swapping to a "250"?? &nbsp;Just like 300zx calipers on a 240sx...). &nbsp;

The chassis is there, the engine is there, and the market is there...

[shiq]

OH MY GOD, Look what I found in my new C&D

http://www.eframes.com/ef-cgi/s/shiqness_yahoo_com/7671Final_Ad.jpg

...
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Okay, okay, it was a graphic design project that i rushed the day before the deadline, but yeah..it's corny, don't make fun... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

anyways, i agree, nissan has a gap in their car line between the spec v and the 350z, what better to fill it in than a 250sx(assuming they would use the QR25(T)?

PS. I realize I acc. put 240sx instead of 250sx in the ad...
oh and a pic i drew of the back
http://www.eframes.com/ef-cgi/s/shiqness_yahoo_com/6040240back.jpg

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> meh, cars are annoying/hard to draw.

[uuninja]

Lance that is a very interesting idea, one I don't think I have heard. Making the S car in to a true sport/road car ala the s2000. Not sure what chassis they would use either. That would be the most serious hurdle. But that would be an awesome car.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 04 2002,5:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lance that is a very interesting idea, one I don't think I have heard. Making the S car in to a true sport/road car ala the s2000. Not sure what chassis they would use either. That would be the most serious hurdle. But that would be an awesome car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The convertible 350z is rumored to be in the air.....

Otherwise a "Silvia Varietta" type of car.... which would require a "Silvia" type of car.... &nbsp;yeah... can't get it out of my head. &nbsp;

Ah hell, guess i'll just have to "settle" for a G35 coupe for now.

[drifterX87]

I think that nissan really needs to build the 240/silvia style car. &nbsp;One that is not expensive but has the possibility to be really good, and comes out of the box in really good performance style for stock. &nbsp;It doesnt necesarily need to be a Silvia, but without that kind of car, they are missing a category. &nbsp;They should just stop giving us shit and what they give them over there. &nbsp;It would also be cheap wouldnt it? &nbsp;greater compatibility, less expensive in the area of designing etc, etc. &nbsp;They need to come up with a top of the line sports car in the states equivelant to the upcoming supra, RX8, Viper, Corvette, etc. &nbsp;man I need to become the president and show them whats right.

Mike

[uuninja]

Only thing is that the s chassis is going away. That is a fact. The XVL seems too big for such an application. Maybe they could shrink it further but I don't know.

[drifterX87]

It wouldnt necessarily need to be the S chassis. &nbsp;They could name it that but just a car that fits that category. &nbsp;All of these new supercars are coming out for Mazda and Toyota. &nbsp;They just need to put one of their own in. &nbsp;It has to be done sooner or later. &nbsp;They should pick me as manager of designs and building so I can take the ideas from here and stick em in. hehehe. That would kick some pretty busty balls.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 04 2002,6:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that nissan really needs to build the 240/silvia style car. One that is not expensive but has the possibility to be really good, and comes out of the box in really good performance style for stock. It doesnt necesarily need to be a Silvia, but without that kind of car, they are missing a category. They should just stop giving us shit and what they give them over there. It would also be cheap wouldnt it? greater compatibility, less expensive in the area of designing etc, etc. They need to come up with a top of the line sports car in the states equivelant to the upcoming supra, RX8, Viper, Corvette, etc. man I need to become the president and show them whats right.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wow.... pretty much the whole thread without all the fuss of theorizing with facts and lame stuff like that....

Sorta funny how people complain about the new Skyline, forget about the concept GTR, and proceed to say that Nissan needs to bring us a car with the SR in it....

sorta like.....
BMW newbies:
"damn the new five series sucks... the last M5 was so much better!!"
Audi newbies:
"WTF!! They're ruining the A4!! &nbsp;Last year's S4 was so much better!"
And of course Nissan:
"The Skyline is not TURBO??!! &nbsp;BOOOMB THEEEM!!!"

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[sykikchimp]

I think the 350z WAS designed to compete with the rx8, and corvettes etc.

I don't think the XVL chassis would be too big? &nbsp;the 350z isn't a large car.. &nbsp;fairly compact actually and clost to the dimensions of the S14

98' s14 &nbsp;total length= 14.76 feet &nbsp;wheelbase=8.28 ft.

2002 350z = total length= 14.14 &nbsp;wheelbase 8.7 ft.

Sounds like a bettre handling platform to me.

[drifterX87]

Should we make a petition or something? &nbsp;If we all tried we could do something. &nbsp;I dont know, take over the corporation? &nbsp;demand them to change? hehehe, &nbsp;I dont know, we could send them concepts and Ideas as a forum, not as individuals.

Mike

[AceInHole]

<!--QuoteBegin--uuninja+April 04 2002,6<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 04 2002,6<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>4)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Only thing is that the s chassis is going away. That is a fact. The XVL seems too big for such an application. Maybe they could shrink it further but I don't know.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
[edited out bitter sarcasm]

G35 coupe length: 182.2 inches
1995 240sx length: 177.2 inches

G35 width: 71.5 inches
1995 240sx width: 68.1 inches

Compared to the G35: 5 inches in length, 3.4 inches in width.... not much of a difference there... and the G35 is only slightly larger than the 350z: 112.2 inch wheelbase compared to the 350z's 104.3 inches.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 04 2002,6:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Should we make a petition or something? If we all tried we could do something. I dont know, take over the corporation? demand them to change? hehehe, I dont know, we could send them concepts and Ideas as a forum, not as individuals.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I doubt that would work...... &nbsp;although it looks like Nissan is headed in the right direction with the unveiling of a G35 coupe.... &nbsp;

To me, the G35 is like a luxury version of a S-car. &nbsp;All they have to do is offer a smaller engine and less options... change the front grille and call it a Nissan.

[drifterX87]

I realise that but unless they do something like I stated, Most likely a lot their sales will be burned and they will either be forced to make a new car, or stop selling another. &nbsp;Sorta like the Supra aint it? &nbsp;

Mike

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 04 2002,6:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that nissan really needs to build the 240/silvia style car. One that is not expensive but has the possibility to be really good, and comes out of the box in really good performance style for stock. It doesnt necesarily need to be a Silvia, but without that kind of car, they are missing a category. They should just stop giving us shit and what they give them over there. It would also be cheap wouldnt it? greater compatibility, less expensive in the area of designing etc, etc. They need to come up with a top of the line sports car in the states equivelant to the upcoming supra, RX8, Viper, Corvette, etc. man I need to become the president and show them whats right.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I think it will end up something like this.

GTR vs Viper vs Vette vs Supra vs M3
G35 vs M5 vs GS400 vs S Class
Z vs WRX vs EVO vs IS300 vs CL typeS
V-spec vs RSX vs Celica vs Eclise

Not to say that all are even matches, but think that they are targeting roughly the same age/income bracket on each.

I just don't think Nissan can make an S car to fit between the Z and the V-spec. And have it make money and not damage sales of their existing models.

I think we would all like to see the S live on. But to be honest, I would rather see Nissan back on it's feet and making some thing bigger and better.

[sykikchimp]

ace - lol.. &nbsp;don't think I didn't see that. haha

anyway. &nbsp;I think from basic deduction we can say Nissan WILL bring us what we want. &nbsp;They will have to in order to stay competitve in the future. &nbsp;(here's the but...)

But, &nbsp;Nissan is still on crutches. &nbsp;They currently can not afford to bring over a car in that series because they are trying to re-establish there income, and image. &nbsp;Thus the creation of all the 4 door cars. &nbsp;Those types of cars are the Bread and Butter of car companies. &nbsp;Drive around the road for 5 min. &nbsp;and I gaurantee that the majority of the cars you see will fit this class. &nbsp;They are producing the 350Z to re-vitalize their Performance car engine, and produce confidence in the public. &nbsp;I also doubt they will bring back the S-chassis. &nbsp;That is a dead platform. &nbsp;It too is aging.

The question really is when will they bring us our new performance entry level 4 cyl sports car? &nbsp;And what will this car be?

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 04 2002,6:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 04 2002,6<!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Only thing is that the s chassis is going away. That is a fact. The XVL seems too big for such an application. Maybe they could shrink it further but I don't know.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
[edited out bitter sarcasm]

G35 coupe length: 182.2 inches
1995 240sx length: 177.2 inches

G35 width: 71.5 inches
1995 240sx width: 68.1 inches

Compared to the G35: 5 inches in length, 3.4 inches in width.... not much of a difference there... and the G35 is only slightly larger than the 350z: 112.2 inch wheelbase compared to the 350z's 104.3 inches.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah I know that the G35 and the silvia are close. But the silvia is really too big as it is to be a good roadster. I am talking s2k sized. I would love to see that car made maybe a few years down the road when Nissan can afford to take a chance or 2.

But right now I think it is as simple as Nissan won't be able to turn a buck on a mid 20's sport coupe. Not that I wouldn't like to see it. But Production, Marketing, and all that over head would put them in a very weak possition.

Ok Night all talk to you next week.

[drifterX87]

Nissan in doing this is also destroying its roots. &nbsp;Look at what they had, who bought the cars, and what the image was, and now look at what it is becoming. &nbsp;In the past they had good sports vehicles and sedans. &nbsp;They are reforming the company, but what is it going to turn out like? &nbsp;What will the Nissan drivers think about this? &nbsp;We need to wait and see, but there will already be large differances. &nbsp;I believe they should build off of the past. &nbsp;It would be stronger, and more rigid.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,6:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ace - lol.. don't think I didn't see that. haha

anyway. I think from basic deduction we can say Nissan WILL bring us what we want. They will have to in order to stay competitve in the future. (here's the but...)

But, Nissan is still on crutches. They currently can not afford to bring over a car in that series because they are trying to re-establish there income, and image. Thus the creation of all the 4 door cars. Those types of cars are the Bread and Butter of car companies. Drive around the road for 5 min. and I gaurantee that the majority of the cars you see will fit this class. They are producing the 350Z to re-vitalize their Performance car engine, and produce confidence in the public. I also doubt they will bring back the S-chassis. That is a dead platform. It too is aging.

The question really is when will they bring us our new performance entry level 4 cyl sports car? And what will this car be?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You've asked my entire point!!
Note how I try to refer it as an S-predecessor or S-car or S-chassis like.... &nbsp;it's fairly obvious it won't be an S car....

The whole thing is... they don't need to spend on R&D, they already have all the parts available to them from other cars that they're releasing. &nbsp;They don't need additional market research, as apparently they've already recognized the aftermarket/ sport compact car niche.

Driving on the road?? &nbsp;There's also Mustangs, Camaros, RSX's, integras, civics, celicas, tiburons, cavaliers, sunfires, neons, etc.... you'd be suprised how many coupes are out there.... &nbsp;even though there are more sedans, the coupe market is still BIG. &nbsp;as of now, Nissan isn't selling a single coupe... untill the 350z and G35 coupe appear on the showroom floors.

IMO, it's only a matter of time before we get a Nissan cousin to the G35 coupe.... the thread on the G35 coupe is basically that statement.

[sykikchimp]

That would be quite an impressive car. &nbsp;a mini G35 coupe. &nbsp;Which is really what the S-chassis car always has been.

A mini Skyline.

How long do you guys think it'll take for us to get it?

I would guess sometime in 2004-2005. &nbsp;About the same time the RSX type-r and other compatible type cars are comming. &nbsp;Man, if thats true, then the new 4 cyl. car is likely to really push 225-240hp to compete. &nbsp;(drool..... it makes me smile to imagine it.) &nbsp;That would be perfect timing too. &nbsp;Cause I will have just finished all my college and have gotten a kickass job. &nbsp;

(its amazing how the conversation moved from over there to here. &nbsp;lol) &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[drifterX87]

Why bother spending the money to make a totally different car when you can just change the one that you already have? &nbsp;This is what confuses me. &nbsp;Create a new image-new cars-existing parts-different chassis-ultimately same car, different chassis. &nbsp;But why use the same chassis on multiple cars? if my question sounds confusing sorry,

Mike

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 05 2002,6:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nissan in doing this is also destroying its roots. Look at what they had, who bought the cars, and what the image was, and now look at what it is becoming. In the past they had good sports vehicles and sedans. They are reforming the company, but what is it going to turn out like? What will the Nissan drivers think about this? We need to wait and see, but there will already be large differances. I believe they should build off of the past. It would be stronger, and more rigid.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
thats what got them into this situation to begin with. &nbsp;hanging on to grass roots. &nbsp;It's nice to have roots, but things change. &nbsp;Technology gets better. &nbsp;They are still focusing on performance. &nbsp;Look at their line up. &nbsp;They're current line-up beats almost every other car in their respective classes in the Performance category. (the SE-R was not built to compete against the likes of the Celica, RSX, eclipse, etc. &nbsp;Those are in a different class) &nbsp;They are sticking to their roots. &nbsp;They are just having to bring their roots up to date.

[drifterX87]

How is that possible? &nbsp;In Japan before the new shit, all of there cars were ruling. &nbsp;Skylines vs. Supra, Silvia vs. &nbsp;WRX and stuff. &nbsp;They have really nice sedans. &nbsp;Altima is nice ride. I dont think they are behind. &nbsp; They should have just stuck new cars into the lot and taken out the sore sellers. &nbsp;It would pobably more effective and cheap. &nbsp;Hey sykikmonkey, what part of Charlotte are you from? &nbsp;Im in Weddington Mattews.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,6:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 05 2002,6:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nissan in doing this is also destroying its roots. Look at what they had, who bought the cars, and what the image was, and now look at what it is becoming. In the past they had good sports vehicles and sedans. They are reforming the company, but what is it going to turn out like? What will the Nissan drivers think about this? We need to wait and see, but there will already be large differances. I believe they should build off of the past. It would be stronger, and more rigid.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
thats what got them into this situation to begin with. hanging on to grass roots. It's nice to have roots, but things change. Technology gets better. They are still focusing on performance. Look at their line up. They're current line-up beats almost every other car in their respective classes in the Performance category. (the SE-R was not built to compete against the likes of the Celica, RSX, eclipse, etc. Those are in a different class) They are sticking to their roots. They are just having to bring their roots up to date.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
amen to that!

How else would Nissan be sticking to their roots??
What they had:
Performance cars that competed with much more expensive cars at less cost.... bland sedans otherwise.
Who bought the cars:
Not enough people apparently... Nissan almost ceased to exist. &nbsp;The people who bought the sedans seemed to have less brand loyalty, while the performance side of things trailed off almost completely.
What Nissan is becoming:
A company with cars that have more power and performance in each respective class.
What will Nissan drivers think about this:
I dunno about you, but I like the idea of having more performance at less cost... and the ability to get parts from other models which will reduce the cost of maintenance further down the road... in addition to having a more powerful, better handling car than the rest.

Building off the past?? Where do you think they developed the XVL chassis from... the QR, VQ, and VK engines??? &nbsp;Thin air?? No, they're the new line of engines, and thankfully there aren't as many of them, which keeps costs of maintenance and parts down.
Holding onto the same engine for 12 years wasn't exactly a smart thing to do... especially when competing companys were developing technology to set themselves apart and get an edge on everyone else.

Right now, Nissan has a pretty bright future: they have cars that are eagerly anticipated by the public, which is the basis of public interest. &nbsp;This interest should turn into brand loyalty if they can keep that interest going, and the only way they can do this is by furthering their technology.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 04 2002,6:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How is that possible? In Japan before the new shit, all of there cars were ruling. Skylines vs. Supra, Silvia vs. WRX and stuff. They have really nice sedans. Altima is nice ride. I dont think they are behind. They should have just stuck new cars into the lot and taken out the sore sellers. It would pobably more effective and cheap. Hey sykikmonkey, what part of Charlotte are you from? Im in Weddington Mattews.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Meanwhile, how many people in the world own Skylines vs Supras... Silvias vs WRX's... then you have almost the entire Honda line, other Toyotas like the Celica, and models that we don't get here. &nbsp;BTW, the NSX outperforms the Skyline.

The Altima is a nice ride, but in the past it's been dubbed bland, underpowered, and basically not worth the money, which is why it wasn't as great of a seller in comparison to its competition.

Even if they were doing so great in Japan, why did they almost go bankrupt???

[drifterX87]

Approximately how many actual sports cars do they have right now? It seems that they basically have sedans and small/semi sporty cars. The G35 would be classified as a sedan would it not? And then they have the Concept GTR is it? what chassis would that ride on? The G35? I think this is confusing me a little. WHOOOO

Mike

Edit in Reply to Aceinhole.

I suppose that you are correct. &nbsp;Its making more sense as I look back through the posts. &nbsp;All I have to say is that they better get some good sports cars rollin in the states soon.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 04 2002,6:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why bother spending the money to make a totally different car when you can just change the one that you already have? This is what confuses me. Create a new image-new cars-existing parts-different chassis-ultimately same car, different chassis. But why use the same chassis on multiple cars? if my question sounds confusing sorry,

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
different chassis = different car.... especially with unibody cars, if you've gone to a different chassis, you've basically changed cars. &nbsp;Platform sharing ultimately leads to less R&D time, less parts manufacturing, etc. &nbsp;Some parts will be able to be shared, but as you change the chassis more, you need to change more parts.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with sharing a chassis with multiple cars, unless that chassis "sucks". &nbsp;I don't see why that would be anything but a blessing...

[drifterX87]

I know it would be cheaper and easier, but are they not trying to make a sports car on a sedan chassis? &nbsp;Couldnt this affect one of the cars? &nbsp;Sports car be not rigid enough, sedan to responsive/stiff? &nbsp;Unless I misinterpreted and they are not :notify:Oh well

Mike

[drifterX87]

I know it would be cheaper and easier, but are they not trying to make a sports car on a sedan chassis? Couldnt this affect one of the cars? Sports car be not rigid enough, sedan to responsive/stiff? Unless I misinterpreted and they are not <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'> Oh well

Mike

Edit: &nbsp;Well Im off to the tele, Shit this is a long post for so few people

Mike

[AceInHole]

don't you mean they're making a sedan off of a sports car chassis???

Gotta love how people have the need to categorize things.... like how the SR and the KA are "truck" engines and the 240sx isn't a "true sports car"..... yup, gotta love it.

[sykikchimp]

the XVL is a RWD sports car chassis. Just happens that the G35 4 door sedan, really is a Sports luxo coupe. Just like the BMW 3 series. The G35 coupe will be there match to the M3.. I forsee nissan makeing some big power upgrade for their lines in the future. Such as possibly introducing turbo's for the G35, 350, and possibly even in their future entry level sports car. It would just make sence if you follow nissans heritage. And match that to their current trend of creating cars that match the competition in luxury and comfort, and exceed them in performance.


Drifterx87 - I'll send you a msg...

[Tuck&Poke]

heres a pic to the s16 http://communities.msn.com/Nissan2....toID=45 (http://communities.msn.com/Nissan240SXResourcePage/silvia.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=45)

[AceInHole]

the shoulderline is about the same as the G35 oddly enough..... &nbsp;still... no SR20VET unless Nissan is blatantly dumb....

[DuffMan]

The new Z starts at price that is about the same as a new Silvia Spec R (is that what they call the one with the SR20DET?). So yeah there's not really much need for a new S car. There's more of a need for a Sentra SE-R coupe. In fact a whole new sentra that is more exciting would be great.

[AceInHole]

the sentra platform sucks compared to the XVL, so choosing from 2 platforms to build a sports coupe... i'd hope nissan would use the sports chassis instead of the sedan chassis......


anyways, on a side not for all the people that bitch about how the new G35 "sucks compared to the skyline"... the R34 Skyline comes with an RB20DE that pulls a whopping 140hp (this is not a typo... the stock skyline is WEAKER than a 1989 SOHC S13). &nbsp;All you bitches that complain the Skyline GTR is so much better... why not compare a GTR with a GTR... &nbsp;the new GTR being the anticipated supercar (which would leave the R34 GTR in it's proverbial dust).

[bing]

they should trash their entire line up and go just sports cars like lotus, ferrari, lambo etc.

180z, 2.0 turbocharged hatch - 225 + hp

240z, 2.4 turbocharged coupe - 275 + hp

350z, that thing they got going, but turbo'd to 350 + hp

400z, 4 litre supercharged 8cyl, AWD, full navigation, stereo tuned by Eton ($10,000 option), 19 inch rims, N1 dual style slanted exhaust out each side, all carbon fibre, digital dash (HUD - bring it back baby), with a computer that has intelligent conversations with you and then says "you just did that last quater mile in 9.386 seconds, congradulations" in a sexy womans voice. with gull wing doors w/ regular style doors built in, putting 550 + hp to the friggin wheels in stock trim, with the option of &nbsp;a flux capacitor...

...outperforming everything on the planet earth, potentially doing 1/4 miles before you even started (with the flux cap of course)

[LanceS13]

lol...damn bing! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;And just how much is that thing gonna cost?

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bing @ April 06 2002,11:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they should trash their entire line up and go just sports cars like lotus, ferrari, lambo etc.

180z, 2.0 turbocharged hatch - 225 + hp

240z, 2.4 turbocharged coupe - 275 + hp

350z, that thing they got going, but turbo'd to 350 + hp

400z, 4 litre supercharged 8cyl, AWD, full navigation, stereo tuned by Eton ($10,000 option), 19 inch rims, N1 dual style slanted exhaust out each side, all carbon fibre, digital dash (HUD - bring it back baby), with a computer that has intelligent conversations with you and then says "you just did that last quater mile in 9.386 seconds, congradulations" in a sexy womans voice. with gull wing doors w/ regular style doors built in, putting 550 + hp to the friggin wheels in stock trim, with the option of a flux capacitor...

...outperforming everything on the planet earth, potentially doing 1/4 miles before you even started (with the flux cap of course)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LMFAO!!!! thats so damn funny. Anyways...someone said on the 1st or 2nd page that there might be a new Supra? What else have you heard/where did you hear it??

[drifterX87]

In reply to SR20Fastback, &nbsp;They were supposed to bring the supra back as an 03 model at the end of this year. &nbsp;The conceopt model was supposed to be in the tokyo auto salon and the Chicago auto show. &nbsp;They never showed it so it is in doubt they will bring it back this year. &nbsp;If you go to some supra forums, I used to hang out at a lot. they will tell you a lot about stuff like this. &nbsp;supra forums here (http://www.supraforums.com)

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 06 2002,07:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In reply to SR20Fastback, They were supposed to bring the supra back as an 03 model at the end of this year. The conceopt model was supposed to be in the tokyo auto salon and the Chicago auto show. They never showed it so it is in doubt they will bring it back this year. If you go to some supra forums, I used to hang out at a lot. they will tell you a lot about stuff like this. supra forums here (http://www.supraforums.com)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
wasn't the new supra supposed to be an ugly looking roadster??

[drifterX87]

In the concept design, Toyota totally destroyed the supra and turned it into a more powerful celica with different headlights. &nbsp;It looks like they just pissed all over it instead of making it cool. &nbsp;Not only that, theyre going to be selling it for a bajillion dollars most likely. &nbsp;Oh well.

Mike

[bing]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ April 06 2002,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lol...damn bing! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> And just how much is that thing gonna cost?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it's not about price, it's about people saying...

"damn, Nissan did that!!!"

so they can afford to not make tons of cash on it.

lets say $130,000 USD, which for something like that sounds pretty good eh?, i'd &nbsp;buy a few

[AceInHole]

ummm..... what about Nissan's concept GT-R?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;It'll most likely have the visual diagnostics (R34) + navigation + voice recognition (Q45'ish)... and supposedly price itself into the supercar range.....

not sure about power, but assuming speculation is correct, it'll be something like a VK45DETT... &nbsp; to put it in perspective, the VK45DE has 340hp... imagine that sucker under boost.

[drift freaq]

ok guys , I am going to speak up here. I was a paperboy .ya i delivered newspapers back in junior high in the early seventies . Qoute unquote Datsun's/Nissan's heydey. lets get some facts here.
First off Nissan has always killed off good lines to move on to newer stuff due to declining sales.
they had a roadster in 1970 they ceased production of it for fear it would affect 240Z sales.Did it really matter in the long run? no. Why,because the 240z was so much more advanced than the 2000 roadster it was actually a good thing. Ok next car the beloved 510, hahaha it was actually marketed as a gas saving econo sedan. Yes it was a sports sedan, yes it had IRS but here in the states it was a econo car. Majority of people that bought it, bought it for &nbsp;that reason.
Ok that means they had one sports sedan and one sports car. now they did bring out the 610 which was like a grown up coupe version of the 510 retained the IRS but dumped the 1600 for a 1800. Now in the meanwhile they were making and selling a couple of other little econo box's i.e. the 1200 and &nbsp;the B210. Well the ceased manufacturing of the 510 in 73 because that was the same year they started selling the 610. 73 510's are rare just like 70 2000 roadsters. In the meanwhile the Z due to federal crash safty standards started to go up in weight. 73's wound up at 2850 this was up from the original weight of 2400. In 74 Nissan introduced the 260Z to answer the weight gain here in the states . In Japan the original Fairlady(240z) was still being produced with a variety of engine options from a L18 Triple S engine to the awesome 2 liter DOHC six in the Fairlady 432. In 1975 the weight increased more and they introduced the L28 and the 280z . they also ceased 610 sales and introduced the 710 (live axle rear L20B engine). Now in Japan our beloved Silvia was a car that had been in production for several years. It was not a American model yet though. 1978 was the year that the Silvia came to the states aka the 200sx. Know what we laughed at it. It was a live axle car with a L20B under the hood. It did not look that appealing to most of us either. hell we where still into 510's and 240z's.
Ya Nissan brought back the 510 in 1978 in name but it was a real live axle econo shit box.
. This is actually about the time Nissans attitude towards the american car market started to change. The Z's kept on getting refinements but at the cost of huge weight gains and hefty sticker price increases. In the &nbsp;eighties Nissan brought a much better rendition of the Silvia and the Gazelle . Yes the hatch used to be called the Gazelle in Japan. that was the S12 it still had live axle but they had started deleveloping a link type suspension with the live axle(the predecessor to our multi link IRS setup). They stuck a variety of engines in it everything from a NapsZ20( CA20e eight plug) to CA18ET single cam Turbo to a VG yes a V6. They also made the big mistake of changing the brand in the eighties from the much beloved Datsun to Nissan the parent company name . It was a marketing idea pure and simple . The Datsun namebadge is still used by Nissan today in some parts of the world.
it failed . It caused product confusion and led to a downturn in sales. all this time they had the z as the sports vehicle and the 200sx as the sports sedan type machine i.e. 2 sports oriented cars here in the states.Remember at this time the Maxima was their luxury upperline car.
hmmm me thinks a strategy line is developing here. In 88 they redesigned a lot of vehicles in their lineup . Toyota was kicking their ass in trucks. so they designed the Hardbody i.e. D21 a dope ass truck. They also redesigned the Z car with a much better rendition taking the IRS from the Z and the mutli link concept and combining them . The rear suspension for our car the Z, the J30 , the Q45 and the M30 had been born. It was an amazing rear suspension setup from a technology standpoint. It had loads of grip with stock shocks and springs.
It also was shared cross platform. So with all this awesome stuff going on what did happen with Nissan?
Well the Z car had left its roots behind. It was an awesome car but it was no longer the entry level sports car that the original 240z had been in 1970 turning the sports car world on its ear with an amazing price for performance ratio. It was downright expensive to the point of competing head to head with German sports cars. What about our car? Well it did okay in sales in the first two years definitely up from previous S12 sales but not what Nissan expected. It also was in a very large market segment that had stiff competition. Now I know we all say but it was rear wheel drive the others were front wheel drive. Well Nissan did not make a big deal about that marketing wise so the car got lumped into the same catagory as Probes,Integra's,Accords,Preludes etc...It did not fair well . Gas mileage was not as good and a V6 Probe was faster(yes I hate to admit it). Sales of the 240 sx started to decline as well as Z car sales . Now on the luxury end they were doing okay and on the econo end the sentra sold a decent amount . The flash in the pan for the 90's had to be the SER . Why? Because it was pretty much a front wheel drive 510 for the 90's with a SR20. It was cheap , It was fast and it handled. I.E. it was roots oriented. It was also short lived. Nissan once again failed in marketing it. This was also about the time they bailed on racing here in the states all together. Sad day.
Which brings us up to todays discussion/arguement.
hey dave ? why all the history ? In a nutsell you see where they came from what happened and how what they are doing today is going back to their roots here in the U.S.
They have their sports sedan ala Sentra SER and they are marketing it right this time. They even have a psuedo luxury sporty type sedan with a V6 in the the Altima. They are bringing back a technoligically advanced yet affordable sports car in the 350z . hell they never had the upper line stuff here in the states in the 70's and 80's . Now we do . We have more of the Nissan lineup in this country today than ever before.
On top of that in the Infiniti line they have found a way to bring over their higher up cars and market them for more money without getting people saying oh thats to much for a Japanese car.
The G35 is a Skyline! Its not a GTR. Will we get a GTR ? Yes i think that is going to happen. Is what they are doing right now their sports car company roots? hell yes . Can you see throught the years what they have done that clearly shows this? Well if you can't you need eyeglasses &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>
New engines yes. Hold on to dinosaurs like the KA and SR hell no. Progress people its what its all about.
history &nbsp;lesson over.
he steps down from the podium &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> hahahhahahhahaha

[onebadm5]

damn dave, you're a fuckin geezer....

just playin <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[junia]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ April 04 2002,10:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">heres a pic to the s16 http://communities.msn.com/Nissan2....toID=45 (http://communities.msn.com/Nissan240SXResourcePage/silvia.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=45)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
From what I read, that article says that since nissan is going with the skyline as a sedan and that leaves the silvia and the fairlady as the only sports car. &nbsp;The new silvia will not have the chassis code of s16 but V16 since its using the XVL chassis. &nbsp;The engine will be the sr20vet that is in the x-trail and will produce 280hp. They also say that this isn't the official word from nissan but what Young Version Magazine speculates. &nbsp;So none of the specs in the chart have been comfirmed. &nbsp;They do say that nissan will not be coming out with a S16 silvia. &nbsp;That just means that it won't have the chassis code of S16, it doesn't mean that they won't come out with a new silvia yet.. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ April 07 2002,12:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ April 04 2002,10:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">heres a pic to the s16 http://communities.msn.com/Nissan2....toID=45 (http://communities.msn.com/Nissan240SXResourcePage/silvia.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=45)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
From what I read, that article says that since nissan is going with the skyline as a sedan and that leaves the silvia and the fairlady as the only sports car. The new silvia will not have the chassis code of s16 but V16 since its using the XVL chassis. The engine will be the sr20vet that is in the x-trail and will produce 280hp. They also say that this isn't the official word from nissan but what Young Version Magazine speculates. So none of the specs in the chart have been comfirmed. They do say that nissan will not be coming out with a S16 silvia. That just means that it won't have the chassis code of S16, it doesn't mean that they won't come out with a new silvia yet.. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's also so damn old it isn't even funny anymore..... we already know the engine won't be an SR, unless Nissan doesn't feel like making money anymore..... &nbsp;that car looks like it could be the new "Silvia" though.... lines of the G35 with a different front end and tail lights.

Like i keep saying.... take a G35c and remove some options/ accessories... use the QR25 and you've got the Silvia reincarnated.

[s15dude]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ April 05 2002,8:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">heres a pic to the s16 http://communities.msn.com/Nissan2....toID=45 (http://communities.msn.com/Nissan240SXResourcePage/silvia.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=45)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That pic looks like a photochopped S15. I think that the G35 Coupe/Z car with a QR25DE will be the next variation of the silvia. Turbos are unlikely as I read somewhere that for the Z they want to keep it NA. Thats what all the competition is doing(ala honda, bmw and their 100+hp/liter NA engines)

[KEIVmx]

I think that Nissan needs a really compact and lightweight 2-door coupe like the Japanese S13 Silvia of the 80's in order to compete.
The only reason the Silvia lost popularity is because it grew in size and mass. That's why Nissan kept the 180SX in production even after the S14 came out. The Japanese preferred a smaller, lighter body. That's why the CA18DET was replaced by the SR20DET in the 180SX...which created the Type X model.
The Z car is obviously made specifically for the US market. Nobody in Japan will buy that car. It has far less aftermarket potential than what is currently available over there. Americans prefer non-turbos which are generally easier to maintain and require "cheaper" lower octane gas (which Americans love for some weird reason).
In a couple of years, I can see a new S16 that will be more compact and lighter than previous modern Silvias. BMW is creating a similar car that is going to replace the Z3...so Nissan might come back with a more affordable alternative.
The American version of the S16 will most likely be NA again...possibly with the QR25DE or a newer replacement. The Japanese version will have the same lightweight 4-cylinder turbo layout...which will be ideal for meeting racing requirements in international GT series. Since the Silvia doesn't race in the US, Nissan will most likely go with a cheaper to manufacture and more tame NA alternative that will meet Americans' expectations for low-end torque and low-octane fuel.
The new GT-R will also feature a race bred engine ONLY IN JAPAN. The American version might come with a Z06-killer V8. Nissan currently produces the RB26DETT and SR20DET for the sole purpose of winning races and to meet homologation requirements. They could care less of what Americans want.
Right now, sports car popularity is on a low. Nissan is testing the market with the Z and is waiting to take further actions because they cannot afford to make investments without guarantee of success.
You guys can always learn Japanese and move to the homeland...while Nissan and other Japanese companies continue to dump weak NA engines into the US market.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KEIVmx @ April 07 2002,3:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that Nissan needs a really compact and lightweight 2-door coupe like the Japanese S13 Silvia of the 80's in order to compete.
The only reason the Silvia lost popularity is because it grew in size and mass. That's why Nissan kept the 180SX in production even after the S14 came out. The Japanese preferred a smaller, lighter body. That's why the CA18DET was replaced by the SR20DET in the 180SX...which created the Type X model.
The Z car is obviously made specifically for the US market. Nobody in Japan will buy that car. It has far less aftermarket potential than what is currently available over there. Americans prefer non-turbos which are generally easier to maintain and require "cheaper" lower octane gas (which Americans love for some weird reason).
In a couple of years, I can see a new S16 that will be more compact and lighter than previous modern Silvias. BMW is creating a similar car that is going to replace the Z3...so Nissan might come back with a more affordable alternative.
The American version of the S16 will most likely be NA again...possibly with the QR25DE or a newer replacement. The Japanese version will have the same lightweight 4-cylinder turbo layout...which will be ideal for meeting racing requirements in international GT series. Since the Silvia doesn't race in the US, Nissan will most likely go with a cheaper to manufacture and more tame NA alternative that will meet Americans' expectations for low-end torque and low-octane fuel.
The new GT-R will also feature a race bred engine ONLY IN JAPAN. The American version might come with a Z06-killer V8. Nissan currently produces the RB26DETT and SR20DET for the sole purpose of winning races and to meet homologation requirements. They could care less of what Americans want.
Right now, sports car popularity is on a low. Nissan is testing the market with the Z and is waiting to take further actions because they cannot afford to make investments without guarantee of success.
You guys can always learn Japanese and move to the homeland...while Nissan and other Japanese companies continue to dump weak NA engines into the US market.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm willing to bet the next version of the "Silvia" will be larger than the S14. &nbsp;Call it a hunch.... call it logic... whatever. &nbsp;It'll be based on the XVL platform, and we've already seen the "Silvia" layout on the XVL chassis. &nbsp;I don't think there's a reason to believe anything otherwise aside from too much daydreaming.

The reason the S-chassis lost popularity in the US is because Nissan tried to sell it as something it isn't. &nbsp;The reason the car would lose popularity anywhere is because Nissan couldn't let go of 12 year old technology, while other companies were offering more advanced cars.

The reason why Japan will get the crappier engines is because of the cost of owning larger displacement engines. &nbsp;Since the US doesn't have taxes on larger engines, we'll see the better engines (lol, you all know I think we already have been, poor japanese suckers with their underpowered SR's). &nbsp;In reality, turbocharging is simply a "cheaper" alternative to a larger displacement engine, and technology. &nbsp;

Nissan isn't going to go anywhere without catering to foreign markets. &nbsp;Staying in Japan would just end up with them going bankrupt.... again.

Right now, compact sports car interest is at a high.... otherwise, why would anyone be making the extra effort to put them out???

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KEIVmx @ April 07 2002,3:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that Nissan needs a really compact and lightweight 2-door coupe like the Japanese S13 Silvia of the 80's in order to compete.
The only reason the Silvia lost popularity is because it grew in size and mass. That's why Nissan kept the 180SX in production even after the S14 came out. The Japanese preferred a smaller, lighter body. That's why the CA18DET was replaced by the SR20DET in the 180SX...which created the Type X model.
The Z car is obviously made specifically for the US market. Nobody in Japan will buy that car. It has far less aftermarket potential than what is currently available over there. Americans prefer non-turbos which are generally easier to maintain and require "cheaper" lower octane gas (which Americans love for some weird reason).
In a couple of years, I can see a new S16 that will be more compact and lighter than previous modern Silvias. BMW is creating a similar car that is going to replace the Z3...so Nissan might come back with a more affordable alternative.
The American version of the S16 will most likely be NA again...possibly with the QR25DE or a newer replacement. The Japanese version will have the same lightweight 4-cylinder turbo layout...which will be ideal for meeting racing requirements in international GT series. Since the Silvia doesn't race in the US, Nissan will most likely go with a cheaper to manufacture and more tame NA alternative that will meet Americans' expectations for low-end torque and low-octane fuel.
The new GT-R will also feature a race bred engine ONLY IN JAPAN. The American version might come with a Z06-killer V8. Nissan currently produces the RB26DETT and SR20DET for the sole purpose of winning races and to meet homologation requirements. They could care less of what Americans want.
Right now, sports car popularity is on a low. Nissan is testing the market with the Z and is waiting to take further actions because they cannot afford to make investments without guarantee of success.
You guys can always learn Japanese and move to the homeland...while Nissan and other Japanese companies continue to dump weak NA engines into the US market.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wow, where did you get your info from?

Cause it is wrong.

"The only reason the Silvia lost popularity is because it grew in size and mass."

Not exactly true... the s14 was criticized for being too big. However the s15 was shorter and lighter than the s14. The s15 is to date the most popular silvia made. The reason that it and the R34 are being pulled from production is the new Japanese emissions requirements that Nissan felt that they could not meet.

"The Z car is obviously made specifically for the US market. Nobody in Japan will buy that car."

The Fairlady (our z) was sold and popular in japan untill it ceased production. Perhapse not as popular in Drifter circles but the fact is that car was out of the price range of many or most drifters. Hence the popularity of the silvia and the 180sx and the continuing fame of the ae86. Cars that they could afford to crash.

"Japanese version will have the same lightweight 4-cylinder turbo layout...which will be ideal for meeting racing requirements in international GT series."

Which "International Racing Series" is the Silvia currently involved in? IIRC the silvia is only run in Japanese GT competition. There are all kinds of class restriction's and displacement limitations. But the real reason for a 2.0 liter motor in the silvia, is the fact that it is the maximum displacement that is not subject to a luxury tax.

"The new GT-R will also feature a race bred engine ONLY IN JAPAN. The American version might come with a Z06-killer V8."

Well that is just not true. Renault the company that owns NIssan has shown a desire to move away from turbos in general. The Prototype GTR that ran at Nürburgring (corrected) did not have a "Race Bread" RB. But motor rather a corvette eating V8...and it is already pretty well established that the Japanese GTR will in fact be NA.

"Nissan currently produces the RB26DETT and SR20DET for the sole purpose of winning races and to meet homologation requirements."

Um no the RB and SR series motors were not made to meet homologation requirements... They have been a staple of NIssan's line up for better than a decade. One or the other, in some encarnation has been in just about every JDM nissan at some point. The FJ20ET was however made to meed Homologation requirements of a serries that the Skyline never even participated in.

"You guys can always learn Japanese and move to the homeland...while Nissan and other Japanese companies continue to dump weak NA engines into the US market."

Um, been there, done that....I can promise that a 'week assed' zo6 will get more attention than a R34, in front of Shinjuku station in Tokyo.. No it is not cause there are so many R34's. They are actually pretty rare. But people there sweat the American grass on other side of the fence, just as much as we sweat Japanese grass here.

[drifterX87]

So the die hard road racers that love nissan performance cars are going to be pissed in japan also? &nbsp;hmmm. &nbsp;I thought that renault went out of business? &nbsp;Aw heck,

Mike

[onebadm5]

its written Nürburgring

that car ran the 12.95 mile Nordschleife, or "Northern Loop" circuit.

here's a list of times. 7 of the top 10 fastest cars are porsches, and an X5 tied with a blitz supra. damn i need a fast car...

Nurburgring times (http://forum.dtmpower.net/attachment.php?s=&postid=172997)

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 07 2002,4:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the die hard road racers that love nissan performance cars are going to be pissed in japan also? hmmm. I thought that renault went out of business? Aw heck,

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nope they bought Nissan about 4 or 5 years back. They are still very much in buisness. hell with the amount of AE86's around I would say that there will be plenty of silvias and 180's for years to come.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (onebadm5 @ April 07 2002,4:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its written Nürburgring</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I figured you of all people would have the correct spelling &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Thanks,

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 07 2002,4:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 07 2002,4:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the die hard road racers that love nissan performance cars are going to be pissed in japan also? hmmm. I thought that renault went out of business? Aw heck,

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nope they bought Nissan about 4 or 5 years back. They are still very much in buisness. hell with the amount of AE86's around I would say that there will be plenty of silvias and 180's for years to come.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LoL... anyone interested in Nissan performance cars should be extremely happy.... they finally got rid of the crappy engines they've been holding onto for 12 years. &nbsp;Right now, we've only got things to look forward to.

Also.... it was Nissan that almost went out of business a while ago.

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 08 2002,1:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (onebadm5 @ April 07 2002,4:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its written Nürburgring</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I figured you of all people would have the correct spelling <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Thanks,</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
no prob <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 07 2002,4:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 07 2002,4:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 07 2002,4:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the die hard road racers that love nissan performance cars are going to be pissed in japan also? hmmm. I thought that renault went out of business? Aw heck,

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nope they bought Nissan about 4 or 5 years back. They are still very much in buisness. hell with the amount of AE86's around I would say that there will be plenty of silvias and 180's for years to come.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LoL... anyone interested in Nissan performance cars should be extremely happy.... they finally got rid of the crappy engines they've been holding onto for 12 years. Right now, we've only got things to look forward to.

Also.... it was Nissan that almost went out of business a while ago.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Right Nissan was rescued by Renault. So for all of those that want to be pissed about that aquisition. Just remember what the alternative would have been.

I am in total agreement. Once Nissan is back in good standing, we will see the next generation of real Nissan performance. Not to throw stones at the past, but there is a lot of progress that has been made in the last 10 years, it is time to move on.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 07 2002,4:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am in total agreement. Once Nissan is back in good standing, we will see the next generation of real Nissan performance. Not to throw stones at the past, but there is a lot of progress that has been made in the last 10 years, it is time to move on.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LoL, i hope you mean that there has been a lot of progress outside of Nissan... and that it's time for Nissan to catch up.... cause it sounds like Nissan has made a lot of progress in the past 10 years, when in fact it hasn't. &nbsp;That said, the fact that it's lasted in the performance area (namely the R34... nothing else has really done much) shows how good Nissan's technology was 10 years ago. &nbsp;I just hope they can create another evolution of great performance cars, and it seems like they're on the right track.

[drifterX87]

I guess thats right, but damn, those are some sexy cars we will never see a lot of. &nbsp;All im waiting for is to get their act together fast so I can see what they dish out.

Mike

Never thought this post would be so long. &nbsp;76 replies!

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 07 2002,4:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ April 07 2002,4:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am in total agreement. Once Nissan is back in good standing, we will see the next generation of real Nissan performance. Not to throw stones at the past, but there is a lot of progress that has been made in the last 10 years, it is time to move on.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LoL, i hope you mean that there has been a lot of progress outside of Nissan... and that it's time for Nissan to catch up.... cause it sounds like Nissan has made a lot of progress in the past 10 years, when in fact it hasn't. That said, the fact that it's lasted in the performance area (namely the R34... nothing else has really done much) shows how good Nissan's technology was 10 years ago. I just hope they can create another evolution of great performance cars, and it seems like they're on the right track.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well there has been progress every where. Granted no major motor developements were intorduced in Nissan's production line after the SR and RB were introduced 12 years ago. A tweek here and a bigger turbo there. That is it.

Nissan is on the right track with their VQ series motor as well as the XVL chassis. That is a start. You can bet that there is a lot of NIssan R and D that has yet to see the light of day. &nbsp;The fact is that Nissan was in no possition in the mid and late 90's to break new ground with their line up. They were just hanging on for dear life.

Not sure if I am being clear...on my position....I am trying to multi-task and doing neither well &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 07 2002,4:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I guess thats right, but damn, those are some sexy cars we will never see a lot of. All im waiting for is to get their act together fast so I can see what they dish out.

Mike

Never thought this post would be so long. 76 replies!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what sexy cars that we'll never see a lot of??

350z starts at $27k
G35c starts under $30k

For such good looking cars (the G35c is probably the best looking Nissan i've ever seen... of course IMO) they sure don't cost a lot..... actually, thousands less than their respective competition.

The only thing we're waiting for is the GT-R that we can't afford.... and hopefully a Nissan version of the G35c (with a QR25DE.... to drop the price a LOT)

[drifterX87]

Im talking about the cars they run over in Japanland. &nbsp;all skylines, S15, all of the cars. &nbsp;We may be lucky and see one in a car show, or if very lucky, have a pal that imported one. &nbsp;But most of us will never see cars like these in real life.(actual car, not swapped or anything) &nbsp;Im not just talking about Nissan but also Toyota and other companies as well in this.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ April 07 2002,4:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im talking about the cars they run over in Japanland. all skylines, S15, all of the cars. We may be lucky and see one in a car show, or if very lucky, have a pal that imported one. But most of us will never see cars like these in real life.(actual car, not swapped or anything) Im not just talking about Nissan but also Toyota and other companies as well in this.

Mike</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
an S15 is just a newer version of the S14 to me... there wasn't much of a change between the two besides the S15 being smaller.... hell, there wasn't really much of a change to the S14 either.

Seen a Skyline. &nbsp;big w00t. &nbsp;If you have $$ you can buy one and drive it around, same as any really really really really nice car.... like a Lamborghini Diablo....

Anyways, we're not missing out on much, especially compared to what's coming/ already here. (Passed by an Infiniti dealer the other day... the G35s is nice... can't wait till I can take a look at the G35c 's)

[thich]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 06 2002,11:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the sentra platform sucks compared to the XVL, so choosing from 2 platforms to build a sports coupe... i'd hope nissan would use the sports chassis instead of the sedan chassis......


anyways, on a side not for all the people that bitch about how the new G35 "sucks compared to the skyline"... the R34 Skyline comes with an RB20DE that pulls a whopping 140hp (this is not a typo... the stock skyline is WEAKER than a 1989 SOHC S13). All you bitches that complain the Skyline GTR is so much better... why not compare a GTR with a GTR... the new GTR being the anticipated supercar (which would leave the R34 GTR in it's proverbial dust).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Man.. this post got long.
I wanna add my own input.
The new GTR will be almost 400hp to the crank. and w/ almost 400lbs/tq to go along w/ it too!
I have a few pics of a magazine that featured the new GTR (they fixed the headlights! wooohooo!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
it will be a nice car.
and Ace is rite... the new GTR will put the R34 in the dust..

[irax]

Originally posted by AceInHole

Seen a Skyline. &nbsp;big w00t. &nbsp;If you have $$ you can buy one and drive it around, same as any really really really really nice car.... like a Lamborghini Diablo....

Anyways, we're not missing out on much, especially compared to what's coming/ already here. (Passed by an Infiniti dealer the other day... the G35s is nice... can't wait till I can take a look at the G35c 's) [/B]

I test drove a G35S, and it was freaking bad ass. You can get one for around 26k off ebay or find a nice dealership that is overstocked with G35S because everyone bought a Coupe. It sucks that the coupe acualy weighs more about +100 - 130 pounds. So your not going to see a difference of the lose or gain of 20hp and 10tq.. But what I read of the Altima or Maxima 3.5 wieghs as much as a 240sx but it has the same VQ35 block, it wouldnt be hard to swap out cams, gears and ecu to get it to that 280 point.. but i just got off on a tangent.. sowwie.. but yes G35 ROcks, the coupe is like a 2+2 350z if you think about it...


Originally posted by drifterX87
So the die hard road racers that love nissan performance cars are going to be pissed in japan also? &nbsp;hmmm. &nbsp;I thought that renault went out of business? &nbsp;Aw heck,


I thought I heard some where that Nissan BOUGHT renault, if its true, this makes me VERRY happey, cuz I am a HUGE fan of the WRC, and this means that Nissan will most likely (I dearly hope) introduce a car for the Ralley, which means that I wont care about the Nissan GT-R, unless thats what they are going to use..

[mrmephistopheles]

dude.. c'mon.
STOP reviving these OLD threads.