Well had things checked out...LIFTERS!!!???

[AenjukuCar]

Well if any of you remember just last week i put a post in about how my car was making a tapping sound from just under the valve cover, well i had the car at a local performance shop that knows sr's and how to install them, they call me back and they tell me it's my lifters and i ask which ones and they say they really cant tell, so i call up enjuku for new lifters figuring they'll be around 30 bucks a piece, well try 70 dollars a piece and i've got 8 of them!! Heavy throttle sells only good condition used ones for 25 a piece, but i dont wanna put a used part in like that, well sooo......anybody 70x8?!?...it's 540 dollars!! and it wont even increase my preformance!! I'm really pissed, they guy at enjuku was like, it's your lifters?!? like he couldnt believe it, and i was like yeah that's what they said. So i'm stuck in a pickle right now of having to buy all 8 lifters(540dollars down the f'in tubes) so i dont know what too do, i'm about ready to sell this car and it doesnt even effect the preformance of the car at all in any way.....They can take my car off my hands for 10,000even!

[MakotoS13]

all of em are busted? they need to isolate the problem.

[eyustfu]

get the tomei solid ones for about half the price

[superman0234]

yea throwing money away on basic repairs that don't increase performance sucks! Try the 970 im dropping for the timing chain on my 89!

[MakotoS13]

here's a tip: get a another motor.

dang...

[Lurkable]

$249.00 Tomei (http://srownersclub.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HT&Product_Code=TOM-LIFT-SR&Category_Code=)

[AenjukuCar]

nice tomei, thanks i wasnt spending that kind of money for a stock part.

Makatos13:
Yeah i asked which one it was and they said that they couldn't tell. Here's a tip. I'm not about to spend 4,000grand on another motor!!

[drift into a curb]

so i dont know what too do, i'm about ready to sell this car and it doesnt even effect the preformance of the car at all in any way.....They can take my car off my hands for 10,000even!


You're in the wrong hobby. If you can't pay to play, better off not...

By the way, it does effect performance if it means your car is running or not. :keke: At any rate, two of my friends have the same problem. Sucks, hopefully it'll last them long enough.

[Var]

yea throwing money away on basic repairs that don't increase performance sucks! Try the 970 im dropping for the timing chain on my 89!


!! holy crap. i wish you got that done at my shop

[AenjukuCar]

You're in the wrong hobby. If you can't pay to play, better off not...

By the way, it does effect performance if it means your car is running or not. :keke: At any rate, two of my friends have the same problem. Sucks, hopefully it'll last them long enough.


I can afford to pay to play, but i wasnt expecting something like this to happen, i figured it would be something else that would go out, not lifters. But i'm sure you'd wanna pay 560.00 dollars for lifters!! You would rather spend that on some cams and cam gears i'd imagine!! I mean my car doesnt get beat every day of it's life, that why i cant believe that one or two of them are going out. I only beat it on weekends and it's not even every weekend that it gets beat.

[element240]

just look for someone parting out a sr20 engine and buy the cylinder head :doh:

[seksi240]

yea throwing money away on basic repairs that don't increase performance sucks! Try the 970 im dropping for the timing chain on my 89!You could buy several KA's at that price, what's the point....

[wootwoot]

I'll do those chains for 50 bucks less than those guys. Want directions?

[AenjukuCar]

just look for someone parting out a sr20 engine and buy the cylinder head :doh:


well actually when buying used lifters, if you think, each motor depending on how treated and how it was run, the lifters are going to have already have a specific grove in them from that motor, and then taking those out and putting into your motor, could cause uneven wear. This is why i dont want used parts. I'll just buy those tomei solid pivot lifters and test shims and test guides from raretrick.com for 278.00.


but besides all that any pros/cons to the solid pivot lifters, or are they any harder to install compared to the stock lifters?

[Var]

this is from Phase 2 motortrend
notice the urgent ..um notice

*** TOMEI SOLID TYPE PRO-CAMS ARE NEEDED FOR USE WITH SOLID LIFTERS. PLEASE SELECT THE MODEL CAMS BELOW **

[AenjukuCar]

well i guess i'll be upgrading cams also, might as well, at least i'll get some more horsepower outta this whole deal.

[Var]

haha.. i like the attitude. i would call to verify with either vendor. good luck


did you ever get around to checking the oil pressure? my lifters make noise when they are cold. just a thought

[infinitexsound]

daymn... sorry man .. might as well go for a PnP since ur adding hp anyhow.. lol kidding...good attitude tho..

[AenjukuCar]

yeah i'm probably just gonn do the tomei solid pivot lifters with the tomei poncams and cam gears from raretrick.com. The oil pressure, i have too install my oil pressure guage yet and when i start the car up for the first time in the morning, the oil pressure lite stays on for like 5seconds and then goes off, it's really quick.

[maverick27]

So i was right! Try pouring oil on the lifters to see if the noise will go away. Or go KA-T

[AenjukuCar]

So i was right! Try pouring oil on the lifters to see if the noise will go away. Or go KA-T

Well like i said the oil light on the dash stays lite for like a couple of seconds, it's really quick, if you wherent looking at the light you wouldnt notice it, and on cold starts it doesnt make the tapping sound, it's only after the car has warmed up or you have driven it, plus it doesnt do it all the time and sometimes it's very loud and other times it like you just have an aggressive cam in.

[ledzeppelin240]

You should find out what caused YOUR LIFTERS TO FAIL before you start just replacing parts. The low oil pressure you were talking about could have been the cause and most likely still is going to be a problem unless it is looked at. The rocker arms are wear mated to the camshaft and you know what your talking about.

So make sure there are no existing problems and then you should be good...

[ISTOTOSAO]

What weight oil do you use? If you are using 10w-40 try going to 20w-50. If you are not making noise on start up maybe the oil being more viscuos do to being cold is your problem. Just a thought.

Steven

[AenjukuCar]

Well i was running the Redline 10w-30 but now advanced in my area has stopped selling it and all they had left was 5w-30, i just changed it here like a couple of weeks ago. The 5w-30 is also redline.

[superman0234]

Yea, timming chain price sucks balls, but I was already a couple hundred into it since I had to have the car towed to the shop and then the guy checked it out, and then was like ok it's gonna be 870 to do the work plus the 100 for towing. "sigh" I looked for replacement ka's but couldn't find a kae to replace mine and no, I dont want to upgrade to the de cuz I already have pretty much my whole turbo kit for the e, so yea. Im just happy that the job is being done by an excellent mechanic and I know it will be done right, so that's about the only good thing out of all this.

[ISTOTOSAO]

I personally would never run a 5w oil, regardless of who makes it. Try Royal Purple or Mobil One 20w- 50 before you go and replace everything might help out.

steven

Well i was running the Redline 10w-30 but now advanced in my area has stopped selling it and all they had left was 5w-30, i just changed it here like a couple of weeks ago. The 5w-30 is also redline.

[AenjukuCar]

Well the last guy ran redline, so i was just going to stay with it, since that's what has always been ran in this engine. My oil lite only stays on for like 7 to 10seconds after all the other dash lites go off on a cold start-up. Last nite i was out cruising and stuff drove the car home and let the timer shut it off and it didnt even tap at all, it sounded like a brand new motor, not even tapping, it was soo quite, i was like WTF!! So i have no clue, i guess it's still the lifters.

[phase2]

For S14 SR:

Oil light comes on - low oil pressure buildup, possible oil pump fatique or oil passage clogging, could cause lifter tick or since your car is S14 VTC, VTC sensor on intake cam could be faulty, when it does it will make clacking sound like lifter tick. Hard to differentiate unless you start to replace the parts (i.e lifter or VTC cam sprocket solenoid <- where you going to find that beats me unless people selling used ones bypassing theirs, even then are theirs good to beging with?).

Eventually you need to find the root of the problem, I would suggest replacing the oil pump outright since that's the heart driving oil pressure in the motor, or start cheap by using good used lifter and bypass VVT with s13 intake cam sprocket to rule out the possibilities of what's causing that noise.

So in conclusion:

1. Oil Pump
2. Lifter
3. VTC cam solenoid

Btw, if you buy Tomei Pon Cam or Pro cam used with solid lifter (but not the solid type pro cams) you might get louder valve train noise than what you are experiencing now.

If you are not sure what you are getting into, don't get the solid lifter setup just because you are hearing ticking noise from the motor. Solve the ticking noise first is what I suggest.

Wayne
Phase 2 Motortrend Inc.
http://www.phase2motortrend.com
T: (626) 338-8314
F: (626) 338-8375

[AenjukuCar]

Phase2:
So i could use a S13 intake cam sprocket in place, to get ride of the VTC??
True about fixing the problem first. I would really like to solve it, secondly even if i would get the solid lifters and the cams i would still know then it's going to make that sounds because of the tomei parts and not because whatever it is is going out.
Thanks for your help wayne

also I had it out last nite and my buddy with a 310whp gs-t wanted a run so i gave him a run on high boost from a 2nd gear role well i tapped out a 118mph(speed limiter) he said i shot a 1 foot flame out my exhuast for a good 30seconds. Now it's not ticking as loudly as it used too, it still does it at idle but not as bad now??
(yes I won but not by much, he was right at my door)have it on video!!

Also everyone else thank you for all of your help.

AIM: HKSnSilvia

[phase2]

Phase2:
So i could use a S13 intake cam sprocket in place, to get ride of the VTC??


Yes you can do that or even use S13 intake cam/sprocket if you want. However I would keep the VTC if it's not broken for better torque and better mid-range power.

Now it's not ticking as loudly as it used too, it still does it at idle but not as bad now??

Chances are your VTC is not broken so you should consider replacing the oil pump in the near future.

Wayne
Phase 2 Motortrend Inc.
http://www.phase2motortrend.com
T: (626) 338-8314
F: (626) 338-8375

[nissantuner22]

are you sure its not just air in the lifters?

[AenjukuCar]

who knows at this point, but that could be, but if there is air then it has to be coming in from somewhere, maybe around the oil pump, it does look like the seal is leaking a little.

Well, i'll have to save for the new oil pump for a lil bit......man i love it...i'll call my car the bucketneer........like that kid on pimp my ride with the black eclipse all my money goes into my ride, wow good thing i dont have a g/f!!! or i'd have no money at all!! :x:

[JustMe]

Well, Im kinda new to the forum thing, but hearing your problem reminded me of something I read at JGY Customs:

"Does your SR20 have a "TAP-A-TAP-A-TAP-A-TAP" noise? The most likely suspect is air in the lifters. If you look at my finger location in the picture, I'm pushing down on the back of the rocker arm on the section that rides above the lifter. While pressing, if you feel any movement, you have air in that specific lifter. SR20 lifters are hydraulic but can not bleed themselves like most hydraulic lifters. To bleed your lifters you must remove your valve cover, the cams, and rocker arms. Pull the lifter out of its sleeve making note not to tilt it sideways, submerse it in oil, and insert a thin piece of rigid metal inside the hole on top of the lifter. Keep in mind, entire lifter must be completely submersed in oil. You will feel a groove with your metal probe, if you press down it will compress the internal mechanism. Do this repeatedly, many times, or until it doesn't depress anymore. Carefully insert it back into the sleeve without tipping it so that air does not enter it. Reinstall the rocker arms, cams, and valve cover and listen to see if the noise persists."

I hope that is helpful. If you want to see the page go to:
http://www.jgycustoms.com/infolinks.htm

-Garrett