got a state ref ticket.

[s13silady]

this is in Cali btw...

i did a search and came up with 27 threads and only like 5 that relate to my situation.
heres the deal... i have an SR in my car and me and my girlfriend were meeting up with some of my other friends after starbucks. so we finally met up with them and was just chillin in a parking lot.. 2 cops roll in and saw my exhaust and they decide to pop the hood of my car first...they only mention something about my intake which is a K&N filter from kragens. they ask me about my exhaust and i told them it had a carb plaque... so basically the only thing on my ticket is my intake... does anyone know it K&N have anything saying that they are carb eo?

so he issues me a intake ticket ( vehicle code 27156(b) )
he says its a state ref ticket. but he didnt give me a sticker on the back... he only wrote state ref... and on the front he checked off correctable... i had a state ref ticket before with my old hatchback and i remeber the ticket having a sticker on the back and it saying non-correctable... all the other ref tickets ive seen from my friends are the same way...

now i have a couple of options.. quick question... since my ticket says correctable do you think theres a loop hole using that? even in court?
my other options are:


-sell the car before my court date... go to court... show the judge that the titles have been switched.. pay the fine which hopefully will be reduced if not dropped, and buy it back and switch the titles back over to my name...

-pay the fine, the judge will make my car non opperable until it is resmogged at a smog station, then re-register the car...

-swap a KA...

i know most of you are going to say im fucked, which i know i am, but after doing some searching i came up to those options above. but they have only been mentioned...i was wondering if anyone had any experience with them working...

[Ritz S14]

this is in Cali btw...

-sell the car before my court date... go to court... show the judge that the titles have been switched.. pay the fine which hopefully will be reduced if not dropped, and buy it back and switch the titles back over to my name...

-pay the fine, the judge will make my car non opperable until it is resmogged at a smog station, then re-register the car...

-swap a KA...

Anytime you buy or sell a used car, it must be smogged. Unless, it already has been issued a state cert with in 90days.

[s13silady]

would i have to smog it before i sell it or can i smog it after the titles have been switched? i have no problem with a smog...

[HyperTek]

K&N drop in filters are street legal (the ones that fit in ur box).. K&N intake kits *FIPK * kits are carb street legal... now if its just a universal K&N filter, your out of luck.

[khoadogg]

ouch, learn from my experience, JUST PAY THE FINE. It's $500 at most, that's cheaper than swapping back and forth and the cost of supplies. You can postpone it for up to 90 days. It's cheaper to just pay the fine. Weigh it out. If you sell and buyback you might get hit w/ a TEST ONLY smog and that shiet is like $500 under the table! Save the trouble and just pay the fine. It's the downside of our motors.

[s13silady]

yah thats what one of my choices are... if test only smog centers the same as regular smog, then i got the hook. but i was just thinking of paying the fine since i can have the date postponed.. hopefully it wont be that much... but as of now i have 2 months to think it all over... but still looking for other feedback on this matter.. thanks to all that replied so far...

[Dousan_PG]

why did you open your hood????? wtf
i would tell the cop.. no. and walk into the store. just because he sees an exhaust?
maybe its just me but i dont understand why you would do that i fyour just there
if i was out shopping at the supermarket and i come back to my car and the cop asks me to pop my hood, i would say i don think so and walk away. i cant see how he/she has any right to do that??

[CaoBoY]

true story, you have the right to say no, ESPECIALLY in ur case, where he didnt even pull you over. They were just looking for a reason to write a ticket...you could have gladly told them no, and they wouldnt be able to do anything about it. they had NO reason for you to pop ur hood....lesson learned i guess huh?

[s13silady]

we werent at a supermarket. we were in a random parking lot that i met up all my friends in...and my car was on because i didnt plan on staying long...they thought we we're racing...but clearly we were all standing in a circle talking.

[s13silady]

bah... its all been said and done... i f'ed up so ill have to deal with it now..

[RBS14]

I just got a ref ticket. the fine is $351. If you correct it, the whole fee is waived, for a period of time, provided that you don't re-offend. However, I'd put the stock air box in and go to the local police station and get it signed off. All the cops look for is if it's correctable or not. However, if you want to try and do this, you'd better do it soon. Get it done with and processed before they send you a reminder. This is because between when the cop turned the ticket in and when they send out the reminder, they review it. More likely than not, they will see it and correct it to say "non-correctable". So throw the stock box in and go get it signed off asap. The cops at the station that sign off tickets/work the front desk won't have any idea it's a SR and not a KA. They'll just look for the stock airbox and sign it off. Hell, some of them just sign it off w/out looking at the car.

Hope that helps you.

[Dousan_PG]

we werent at a supermarket. we were in a random parking lot that i met up all my friends in...and my car was on because i didnt plan on staying long...they thought we we're racing...but clearly we were all standing in a circle talking.

i said IF I ....

giving example

you should stand up for your rights more.

anyways yeah its done and done

swap to a KA its easy and takes a weekend. might cost a bit but you can easily get it done in 2 days..1 day if you book it.

[trsilvias13]

u cant sell n buy back. reason being the ticket is on you. even if u sold it. u did not correct it. so you would have to pay the maximum fine. happen to me before. you can swap it back. or bring it to an officer to sign it off and see what happens. if it no. then pay the fine. i would just pay the fine and get it over with. for exhuast it is 110 i think or around there. and for smog equipment is about 180 . i did that before. so it should be somewhere inbetween?

[Ritz S14]

yah thats what one of my choices are... if test only smog centers the same as regular smog, then i got the hook. but i was just thinking of paying the fine since i can have the date postponed.. hopefully it wont be that much... but as of now i have 2 months to think it all over... but still looking for other feedback on this matter.. thanks to all that replied so far...

Test Only stations and a regular Smog Check stations are two different things. But it's required that the owner smogs the car before the sale. But not too many people follow that.

[s13silady]

yah i would have no problem doing a smog before i transfer titles... if i go that route would i have to smog at a test only? or can it be at a smog center...

[Ritz S14]

That's on the DMV.

[kazuo]

Ok, so I agree with Aaronsan, you should not have popped your hood.

But thats on you. Too bad so sad

Anyway, as far as your situation -- if its non-correctable (ie. you can't put in a stock filter and get a cop to sign it off), and you need to go to a ref, you are basically fucked once they see the SR20.

IF its correctable, go to K&N's website, and CARB's site, and show them that you DO NOT NEED A CARB STICKER FOR A DROPIN FILTER.

Those dropin filters they sell at Kragen are 50 state legal.

You never answered whether it was drop-in or a universal cone.. the universal cones are not legal in CA w/o the E.O. #, IIRC, and only the FIPK kit has the E.O. #

And if it in fact is a dropin, and its not correctable, I'd take that shit to court, bring relevant documentation and try to argue your way out of it.

Last resort, swap the engine, fuck selling the car.

Good luck

[ghostuss]

First I would do is swap in the stock airbox and try to get it signed off. If that fails, drop in a K&N with a carb number and then argue urself out of it at a judge. Show paper work and stuff. Last resort. Swap in KA and go to the Ref or pay the fine.

[hkspeed]

can someone explain to me this thing about paying the fine and not correcting the problem? if you pay the fine, are you off the hook? do you still have to correct the problem if you pay? will the car be legally street drivable?

what if you go out and buy a CARB legal intake for a KA (AEM and Injen?), then slap on the carb sticker and go get it signed off? you can tell the cop you didnt have the sticker on the day of the ticket, or some BS like that. swap your K&N for the filter from the carb legal kit too.

I never run a K&N/cone style filter. Thats fix-it ticket jackpot for a cop.

[HyperTek]

get a pic of an engine bay with a carb legal intake kit, close up pics of it. call the manufacture, say you lost the carb decal or u just bought the car and it didnt have it and u need to smog, and they usually will replace the decal for u, just give em a photocopy of the registration.

[Blues13]

A lot of you are saying he should not have popped his hood when asked, but wouldn't that make the cop suspicious? I mean, if he sees a modified exhaust, is that not reason enough to believe other parts in the engine bay are modified as well? If not, I'm sure he'll make up something or give you a lot more shit just for refusing..

[o5i2]

so if you pay the fine, you dont have to go to the ref???

[Buffalo Daughter]

s13silady --- Don't you have an SR? How would you go about doing any of this finding out all this info about the exhaust and smogging it if you know your headed to the ref? You think you'll just stroll in and he/she won't see the motor isnt the factory motor?

"-sell the car before my court date... go to court... show the judge that the titles have been switched.. pay the fine which hopefully will be reduced if not dropped, and buy it back and switch the titles back over to my name..."

ok the first one you said, yeah you still have to smog it if you sold it but thats hella trouble but hey thats all you,

"-pay the fine, the judge will make my car non opperable until it is resmogged
at a smog station, then re-register the car..."

If you do pay the fine your still prolly going to end up at the smog ref since it was already appointed to you. Go to the smog station is normal matters outside getting a ticket. Since they sighted you for matters partaining to carb code. You gotta see the ref.


"-swap a KA..."

If i were you and i knew i wouldnt want to go through all the fucking hassle of selling the car bs and all that , just find a KA motor for cheap that runs and swap it. Drop in K&N filters are legal. Most almost all K&N filters are legal.
I've been to the smog ref twice and they don't dick around. Can't avoid it either. Swap to KA.

In regards to just paying the fine and not seeing the ref. Fat chance. You will have to go. They have to make sure after the violations cited your car is deemed not a gross polluter and is up to par with the law.

[9524tee]

If you run an sr this is what you do ...

get injen stickers , k&n , and aem stickers , with carb numbers on them , you can do this by calling their headquarters . slap them on every intercooler and intake pipe that can be seen , that way you can just show the cop those , and he or she will just drop it right then and there . and if they argue , just say "look at the stickers , carb number is right there " , been down that road , thats the best way to fend off the 5 oh . and ya , they hardly ever check at the police station , they usually say " so its fixed , if i come out there im not gonna be mad right ?" shit like that , the system is super easy , just work it right . keep the attitude of " i didnt do anything wrong" and everything will work out in your favor . good luck .

[Buffalo Daughter]

You know that some of the cops have carb e.o books with them right? I actually came across two who busted them out to check my carb number. Amazed i was and that will not get you out of trouble if they can identify where it is supposed to be.

[s13silady]

buffalo daughter.. thats the thing... im trying not to go to the ref.. as i dont have the time to swap my ka back in.. i go to school 5 days a week and work 7... but thats on me... ok... so i squared out the sell/buy back idea... looks like a hassle also... the thing im really hoping for is the ticket being checked off as "CORRECTABLE" i have a stock intake and will put it back in on sunday. ill try out the little things first.

as for the K&N filters.. its not a drop in filter... its a universal cone from kragens. and it also has K&N stamped on it. i was wondering if those were carb legal...

thanks for all your guy's help. somewhat making me feel a little better. :hsdance:

well ill keep you guys updated on what happens this week.

[futureteg]

i'm guessing your friends are into cars as well...maybe they can do the swap for you, and you pay them like 20 bucks each. Or buy another 240, swap the rims, and the VIN #s and try passing it off as your stock 240.

[HyperTek]

no the universal filters are not carb legal, the only way a filter can be carb legal if it was designed and tested for a car...

[Var]

Air filters aren't illegal. In fact you dont even have to have an air filter. The only rule is that you have to retain your stock *AIR BOX*

IE: If your air filter is exposed, it has to have a carb number, even if it's a STOCK air filter.

[Fastback180]

once again...

Fuck california...move!

[Buffalo Daughter]

buffalo daughter.. thats the thing... im trying not to go to the ref.. as i dont have the time to swap my ka back in.. i go to school 5 days a week and work 7... but thats on me... ok... so i squared out the sell/buy back idea... looks like a hassle also... the thing im really hoping for is the ticket being checked off as "CORRECTABLE" i have a stock intake and will put it back in on sunday. ill try out the little things first.
.

It can be corrected but do you think they are going to over look that the engine is not stock? Im still not understanding that. Or maybe you mean your going to put your stock air box on and try to get it written off by and officer or by the ref? Your situation is a sticky one indeed. :bite: Let us know how your plot unravels.

[s13silady]

well i have 2 months to think it through... i just want to try the little things first... like getting the ticket signed off and seeing if i can used the correctable part on the ticket to my advantage.. thats after my stock airbox is back on...
ill keep you guys posted on that.

edit: he thought my engine was stock... thats why on the ticket the only violation is my intake filter.

[Var]

Cops give you an "intake" ticket(it's not an intake ticket BTW) because they want you to go to the ref rather than taking the time to look through your engine bay and have you argue with them that this or that part is legal. Instead, they just send you to the ref so they deal with it. No matter what the ticket is written for, when you get a ref ticket they perform a complete smog check on your car. So this way the ref may find something the cop might have missed(another reason why sending you to the ref is beneficial for the police). As i understand it, you cant get it signed off or taken care of anywhere besides the ref.

[sLiDewAys]

i aslo got state reffed for a unrecirculated BOV on my ca18det.. i went to my court date that they gave me a return time, saying to privode referre sign off, then 3 weeks later sent me a forefit notice.. basicly i pay 700.00 to compleetly drop it or pay 10.00 and go back to court with proof of correction.!

[HyperTek]

fuck that!!! WE AS CAR ENTHUSIEST should try to take a stand.. how the fuck does this reffery shit save people!?!? should just be that all cars must meet smog regulations (what comes out of exhuast) no matter what the fuck is in the engine bay... fucking fat cats make tons of money off this shit... companies profit becuase they can sell carb legal items at higher cost, courts and law enforcement/taxs profit becuase people have to pay thru this shit.. the loser on the end is the consumer.. fawk!!!

The auto industry is one of the most profitible markets in california, and is also an attraction to coming to cali. government always gotta profit on something..

[Buffalo Daughter]

well i have 2 months to think it through... i just want to try the little things first... like getting the ticket signed off and seeing if i can used the correctable part on the ticket to my advantage.. thats after my stock airbox is back on...
ill keep you guys posted on that.

edit: he thought my engine was stock... thats why on the ticket the only violation is my intake filter.

ahhh 2 months? shit you got enough time to get things sorted out. But like i said like most of us, if it says smog ref,there is no getting away from it. If you can get it signed off, get it signed off but thats some kind of miracle you would get away with it.

[s13silady]

^^^ werd... hopefully i get lucky on this one... but i might just end up paying the fine...
but some people told me that if you pay the fine, your still not off the hook... other people told me that once you pay the full fine its done and over with... and some other people told me that if you pay the fine, you have to get it re-smogged at a smog center. i dont know which one is true?? any of you know? oh well wish me luck.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Man good luck...Hopefuly you can get lucky and get the cop to sign it off, and you will not have to go to the referee. If not then buy beer and pizza for your buddies to swapp your KA back in for the trip to the smogg natzi.
I love how people blame California, the anti swapping law is a federal law not a California State law. CHP is just enforcing the law.

[NZO]

The visual inspections though are a state law which is what ultimately prevents people from getting away with swaps.

[my240iguanas]

you dont have to smog a car when you sell , whoever buys it will have to smog it

[Buffalo Daughter]

you dont have to smog a car when you sell , whoever buys it will have to smog it
hahahahah are you serious? previous owner must show that it is comliable with california smog emissions laws. Thats a must. Trappin. You stupid if you buy a car thats not smogged and still needs to be smogged. Youd be dealing with shit just to get it up to par.

[JaeTea]

Man what a PITA for a fucking intake!!!

[Ritz S14]

hahahahah are you serious? previous owner must show that it is comliable with california smog emissions laws. Thats a must. Trappin. You stupid if you buy a car thats not smogged and still needs to be smogged. Youd be dealing with shit just to get it up to par.

You truely are an idiot if you buy a car that has not passed smog. With an exception if you already knew it wasn't going to pass.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Yea smog is sellers responsibility. Latest that I have heard, and have yet to look up is that you can not sell a car and say that the car is sold " As is " where smog is concerned. No matter what the seller is responsible. Again I have to look this up to see if it is true. Has any one else heard this one?

[hkspeed]

Yea smog is sellers responsibility. Latest that I have heard, and have yet to look up is that you can not sell a car and say that the car is sold " As is " where smog is concerned. No matter what the seller is responsible. Again I have to look this up to see if it is true. Has any one else heard this one?

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vr/vr.htm
i goto this damn so often, i got it memorized

[Sanchi]

Dam po-po couldent find no drugs in my car. so i got a ticket for loud exhaust and it was just a fine or ref i payed it and walked away... hope its that ez for you.

[s13silady]

^^^ i hope so too...

well a little update nothing big... a buddy of mine has some hooks at the station... they tried to reverse the processing of my ticket, but the cop submitted it hella fast. and when they checked they we a little bit too late... so that was my miracle #1 down the drain.
oh well.

[mav1178]

well i have 2 months to think it through... i just want to try the little things first... like getting the ticket signed off and seeing if i can used the correctable part on the ticket to my advantage.. thats after my stock airbox is back on...
ill keep you guys posted on that.


You might have two months, but if you are pulled over again you will get a ticket for violating VC 27156(f)

(f) No person shall operate a vehicle after notice by a traffic officer that the vehicle is not equipped with the required certified motor vehicle pollution control device correctly installed in operating condition, except as may be necessary to return the vehicle to the residence or place of business of the owner or driver or to a garage, until the vehicle has been properly equipped with such a device.

[s13silady]

^^yuhp... i only drive to school and work... and starbucks, which is right down the block.lol.

[Burmonster]

Well that sucks

[mav1178]

^^yuhp... i only drive to school and work... and starbucks, which is right down the block.lol.

Like I said, don't get pulled over again. YOu might be able to get out of ticket #1 if you sell the car or clear it with a state ref, but ticket #2 you will have to pay the maximum fine (which is ~$500+).

When you get a state ref ticket you are NOT supposed to drive the car under any circumstance other than to return it to a place of storage, or to get the car fixed.

-alex

[drew935]

sorry about your incident S13silady..
yea swap the intake and see if that works first.. :whip:
I hope that will because if not then :smash: :axe:

[mav1178]

fuck that!!! WE AS CAR ENTHUSIEST should try to take a stand.. how the fuck does this reffery shit save people!?!? should just be that all cars must meet smog regulations (what comes out of exhuast) no matter what the fuck is in the engine bay...

Have you ever heard of evaporative emissions?

If not, go look it up. It is one of the biggest sources of pollution.

-alex

[Jonnie Fraz]

Ok I got one for you guys....which do you think put off more emissions, the KA with 150k on it or the stock SR20 with like 30-50k on the clock?
I truly believe that smog stuff is not about air quality, because there would be no visual inspection. If emissions are good why look under the hood?

[s13silady]

you guys think if we didnt abuse the engine swaps, modifying cars, etc, etc (if we even did), then cali's emmision laws wouldnt be as strict? emissions is to help against pollution, but then IMO i think it is also there to hinder car enthusiest, street racers, ricers, etc etc because we abuse the emmision laws so much... what do you guys think?

[s13silady]

sorry to bring up an old thread.. but just got a final update...

$10 :w00t:

[FRpilot]

so you paid $10 for...??

[Jonnie Fraz]

I believe what he is saying is he got his ticket signed off and paid the ten dollor fix-it-ticket fine...yes? If this is the case you are soooo lucky you got away with it.

[woody]

Everyone take this and others as examples and support SEMA's SAN.

[kazuo]

sorry to bring up an old thread.. but just got a final update...

$10 :w00t:

Explain how you were able to do this.

Inquiring minds want to know :)

Thanks

[drew935]

good deal s13silady :p now buy an intake with a carb number ... :wiggle:

[chlatboy]

Did they even look at ur engine?

[sepulchral]

thank god that crap doesn't happen in virginia, sorry to hear about your situation... do you have a fmic? if not they probably thought it was stock because of stock smic piping

[s13silady]

tehy looked at my engine... but i guess didnt know what an SR was..

on the front of my ticket, the box for correctable violation was checked off yes..that was mistake number 1... mistake number 2.. he didnt give me a state ref sticker... only wrote "state ref" in the back. the pen he used must have been crap... cuz i rubbed over that part with my finger once and it got erased...(dont know how..) i took it to a cop at my local starbucks and had it signed off in the dark... i had my stock SR intake box back in. got it signed off brought it to traffic court, and voila! 10 bucks..

so basically i just acted on it as if it were a regular fix it..

[ZK]

Good to hear the good news.

I think the way to deal with a lot of these tickets depends on the cop giving it.

Best way is to avoid attention and not get pulled on in the first place.

[mooboy]

Good shit with your ticket.

[CaoBoY]

LUCKY!! now..next time a cop tells you to pop ur hood in the parking lot without pulling you over what do you do?

[Sky240PWR]

Wow that sucks that the cops give you shit!!...I have a 91 fastback with a RB25DET with alot of aftermarket stuff they could see if they pulled me over!!..I'm in central illinois, the cops here like my car, and it's pretty loud!(tanabe exhaust)

[GLoBaLReBeL420]

sorry to bring up a dead thread, but does anyone know what to do for a Modified exhaust ticket? It says correctable too.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Put your stock one back on and get it signed off. Or if it has an E.O. number show them that.

[richardxfeng]

I don't think modified exhaust ticket is correctable.Last time I put back stock exhaust and have CHP sign it off.But I received a letter saying that it is not corectable and I still need to pay the fine.

[TougeRacing]

what happens if u peel off the state ref sticker? hahaha

[Xren17]

sorry to bring up a dead thread, but does anyone know what to do for a Modified exhaust ticket? It says correctable too.

If it says correctable you can put the stock exhaust back on and get it sign off by the CHP. That's what I did a couple of months ago.

-Ren

[iwishiwas-all*]

holy 5 billion month old thread batman!
forget a response.

[motonagam]

Since cat-back exhaust is after the cat, I thought it's not a emission tamper mod because there's nothing there that controls emissions... just sound. Even though the cat-back exhaust on a car may be modified, I thought as long as you're not over a certain decibel (95dB in CA?), you're ok?

[TeamInsidious]

if it isnt a smog only station try to get the smogging under the table lol