The newest incarnation of the 240sx??

[AceInHole]

http://www2.freshalloy.com/site/cars/infiniti/g35/coupe/photos/photos_001.jpg

that should say it all....

more info on www.freshalloy.com


EDIT: maybe it's just me but the rear shoulder and doorline scream S15...

EDIT2: i keep editing as i look over it...... but imagine if it was badged as a Nissan, loses the leather interior and the extras you don't need like navigation and such... and maybe even stick the QR25DE in there.... price it just above the Sentra.....

well, you get my 'drift'....

the sickest tail lights to ever grace an infinity/ nissan:
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/issue/2002/0329/nsh_kt0329_05_16.jpg

say hello to 275+ hp
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/issue/2002/0329/nsh_kt0329_05_11.jpg

[KiNG]

i dunno about that, to my understanding that's a v8 was it?
also, that's supposedly derived from the new GTR concept or somethin, so that's the new Skyline R35 GTR technically or somethin. one thing i did notice though, atleast a few of the new nissan concepts/new sports models look very similiar (take the z concept and the GTR concept for example, or the G35 and the new Z) but yah, im just speaking jibberish again.

[KiNG]

[edit]
oh wait, u mean like that may be similiar to what the new S16 may look like? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>
im confused.

[BlackFox]

Just give us the bloody S15 and what ever comes after it. Just make sure it comes with the SR20DET. &nbsp;I want my boost <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[240sxtreme]

actually Ace, I can understand where you're coming from...but you gotta remember that the silva and the skyline have always looked similar.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlackFox @ April 04 2002,02:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just give us the bloody S15 and what ever comes after it. Just make sure it comes with the SR20DET. I want my boost <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
why give us a POS engine?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;what's up with people stuck in the past?? might as well reincarnate the FJ and make me happy... nissan's closest "race-bred" engine if there ever was one....

the GTR has always been Nissan's "bag of tricks".... this is NOT the GTR. &nbsp;Some of the styling cues may come from it, but it more resembles the projected S16 pictures that bogusly claimed it would use the SR20VET (since ignorance is bliss i guess). &nbsp;I think it bears more resemblance to the S-chassis, simply from it's resemblance to the lines of the S15, and it's 2+2 setup.

Also, the GTR is NOT going to have a base price of 30k.... supercars generally go for around the price of a small house... and the next GTR is projected to be a SUPERCAR, not a sports car.

[KiNG]

eesh, dont hafta be so harsh to ppl. thanx for the input though, just work on ur tactfulness a bit man... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiNG @ April 04 2002,02:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">eesh, dont hafta be so harsh to ppl. thanx for the input though, just work on ur tactfulness a bit man... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lol..... 2 things have been pissing me off more than usual... people's unfounded attatchment to the SR and "drifting".... &nbsp;that and a Long Island Iced Tea make for tact out the window.

Another thing might be the old thread on the G35 sedan where people were crying it wasn't an i6 twin turbo coupe since they don't have a clue what a Skyline really is.... &nbsp;

Basically, my tolerance for stupidity/ignorance/whatever-you-call-it is rapidly diminishing.

[Sniper-X]

my dad works for nissan, and yes, the G35 is an american version of the skyline. &nbsp;however, nissan is currently designing a skyline for the american market. &nbsp;Majorly toned down of course.

[BenNs13]

nissan...one wierd company...wierd...wierd...wierd...i can understand why renault had to give it a boost...off topic but i'm just wondering how Nissan would've went if they had putted the SR20DET into the 240's...i mean at the least put the N/A SR20....the KA isn't a bad engine...but shiats...the SR20 are freakin GODS....maybe i'll go get me a 300ZX...or maybe even a Integra GSR....and i won't ever have to worry about gas and engine problems...if you can't beat em join em....then again..the nissan blood flows in me and i can't leave the NISSAN FAMILY....

[blink0r]

Oh No! It looks like our precious s16 has been bitten by the "ugly focus and celica headlight bug". I wish there was a cure. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[HippoSleek]

It's NOT AN S16! &nbsp;Look at the picture... it is a G35. &nbsp;Does anyone know if the G35 has an "R" chassis code? &nbsp;I know it doesn't have an "S" code (since that is the s15). &nbsp;At any rate, Nissan has said the GTR will be a one off of this car - much like the current GTR is a one off of the Skyline. &nbsp;Having seen the sedan, I don't see how this won't be considered a 5 seater. &nbsp;It is not like the "S" cars with a long hood and tail and a small passanger compartment. &nbsp;Notice the tiny trunk - there is lots of sitting room in there. &nbsp;It will be a 5-seater coupe, ala the BMW 3 series or CLK. &nbsp;

Otherwise, I agree with Ace's anger re: drifting and the SR. &nbsp;You can have your boosted 250 hp... if I can get it NA, I'll take that! &nbsp;

Benns - buy an Acura... PLEASE!! &nbsp;I'm glad they never "putted" the SR20DE in the 240... less hp and tq! &nbsp;How pissed would I be? &nbsp;There's also a damn good reason they didn't but the DET in - $ and sales. &nbsp;But that is a whole other debate

blink - see above - not an s16 (that actually IS Celica-esque). &nbsp;The G35 is much more like a Jag X-Type when you see it. &nbsp;The lights are the current trend in all cars, but are much different here b/c of the bulging hood (photos don't do it's curves justice).

[luey02]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ April 05 2002,09:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Benns - buy an Acura... PLEASE!! I'm glad they never "putted" the SR20DE in the 240... less hp and tq! How pissed would I be? There's also a damn good reason they didn't but the DET in - $ and sales. But that is a whole other debate</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I have to disagree with you there, hippo. &nbsp;No DET so to create sales? &nbsp;I aint no alan Greenspan but why would japan have 1 market strategy in their country and have different market strategy in US? &nbsp;and in australia? &nbsp;Besides different law restrictions and strategic market testing, I see no other reason. Maybe that's why US Hondas are so popular since they get the same good stuff in japan. &nbsp; Som' to think about before bed tonite...

[sykikchimp]

Many companies try to give their car's a certain "Personality" to set them apart from other cars. &nbsp;Look at acura for example. &nbsp;They have now formaly badged all their cars with letters. &nbsp;And the front grills, and basic lines of every car they have is the same. &nbsp;Thats why they brougt the RSX out, because the Integra no longer "Fit the Personality" they are trying to produce.

The G35 is a BEAUTIFUL car. &nbsp;It shares Lots of lines with the S-15. &nbsp;It is Very possible that the S-16 will look like a slimer brother with out all the Luxo stuff.

BenNs13.. &nbsp;the SR is NOT a god engine. &nbsp;the 2jzgte is a God engine for one off the top of my head. &nbsp;The SR is not even close. &nbsp;The KA and SR really are in the same class. &nbsp;(with the KA maybe even being the better of the two. &nbsp;The SR just got a couple extra goodies b/c it came turbo stock) &nbsp;--- &nbsp;PLEASE DO NOT START A KA/SR WAR IN HERE. &nbsp;JUST MAKING A POINT. ---

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> bens13.....but shiats...the SR20 are freakin GODS....maybe i'll go get me a 300ZX...or maybe even a Integra GSR....and i won't ever have to worry about gas and engine problems...if you can't beat em join em....then again..the nissan blood flows in me and i can't leave the NISSAN FAMILY....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ok all who bow down to the church of the SR20 say ai SHEEESHH!!!!!
Go get your Integra you closet Honda boy.
First off a NA aspirated 280hp engine is going to be a helluva lot more reliable than a a rocker spining Turbo motor.
Second off the SR20 is so highly overated. If your going to get down and worship a older Nissan motor then the CA18DET and the FJ20ET would be the ones that smoke the SR for lunch.
Now on to the other parts of this thread. S series chassis's are dead!! Nissan announced this already &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'> . The new Silvia will most likely be based on the same chassis series as the Skyline and the Z.
The G35 is the American Skyline and no slouch at that.
The GTR has been seperated from the Skyline nameplate at this time and will be like was previous stated a SuperCar.
Ok now its time for all you SR20 kids to realize something. YOur motor is 15 year old technology . Stop whining about how it needs to be stuck in Nissan's new sports cars. Nissan figured out how to get the same amount of horsepower out of a engine size they would have previously Turbo'ed to make the same power. Hats off to them that is called technological refinement.
Face it guys , Turbo's are cheating!! It takes a lot more work and refinement to get HP out of a NA engine. I myself am for technology (heh... I grew up in Silicon Valley) . I like Turbo's for one reason . I can cheat with them i.e. strap them on and get instant mad power increases. Whereas moding my engine will cost me more money. honestly I would take a powerful NA engine over a Turbo engine any day of the week. Why because it will be more reliable and it will still go as fast as I want.
Fast is Fast period.
with that I will be Turbo'ing my 26K KA because I want to eat things for lunch and don't want to spend all my lunch money. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

nuff said

[uuninja]

Personally I don't see the point for fanaticism over any of the following motors SR, CA, FJ, KA, RB. All were well engineered motors, with lots of potential. But they are all at least 12 years old. Every thing changes, better things come along, people resist and then embrace them as if there was never any other way. How many Honda guys would trade their b18c5's for zc's? The bottom line is stagnation = death in the auto industry. That is what f'ed Nissan so bad in the 90's while everyone else was trying new things they clung to outdated market strategies and platforms. No I am not saying that puting an sr20det would have been a "smart" business decision for north America. But the fact that the ka which was the power plant in both the altima and the 240. Was left untouched form 91 to 01 meant that it went from cutting edge to obsolete in the space of a decade.

There won't be another 240 coming to the states, and I am not sad to hear it. Nissan can't afford to make that car. They have consolidated their chassis on to the XVL and will eventually offer both a mid and high end performance car. The Z and the GTR. With this in mind there is no real place for a "budget" sports coupe aka the s16. Nor could Nissan sell it cheaply enough as to not compete with the Z. Would I love to get my hands on a S15 hells yeah. But there is no reason for nissan to continue to f them self just so I can get what I want.

[DrDubbleB]

<!--QuoteBegin--sykikchimp+April 04 2002,11<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,11<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PLEASE DO NOT START A KA/SR WAR IN HERE. JUST MAKING A POINT. ---</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
When you make the kind of point that you made, cutting down an engine so bad, it's entirely too late to say don't start the debates. I will not say anything more in this thread because that's what it's turning into.

And I didn't mean when you said that it wasn't a god engine because I agree, it's not, it's what you put in the parantheses, that will turn this topic into a debate

[BlankFlip]

before i say nething, i just want to mention that i'm not gonna argue with the engine war debate. i see nothing wrong with the way nissan is going w/ their engines at all though. would u want a 155hp ka in a "super car" looking s15 (or even s16 if n when it comes out), i think that would just be wrong. it looks like the s16 will have a similar look in the future b/c of the way pretty much all car designers are going now. they look futuristic to me right now but i can see how people 15-20 years from now will think they just look cheesy and old.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ April 04 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ April 05 2002,09:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Benns - buy an Acura... PLEASE!! I'm glad they never "putted" the SR20DE in the 240... less hp and tq! How pissed would I be? There's also a damn good reason they didn't but the DET in - $ and sales. But that is a whole other debate</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I have to disagree with you there, hippo. No DET so to create sales? I aint no alan Greenspan but why would japan have 1 market strategy in their country and have different market strategy in US? and in australia? Besides different law restrictions and strategic market testing, I see no other reason. Maybe that's why US Hondas are so popular since they get the same good stuff in japan. Som' to think about before bed tonite...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well the reason we never got a turbo 240 was....

a. cost of ownership. Why do you think all the turbo cars were absent from the sport compact car market in the states. Cost of maintenance and insurance had skyrocketed from the 80's.

b. A turbo 240 would have kicked the ever loving crap out of the NA 300zx. And that would have been bad for sales of the higher price higher profit z.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ April 05 2002,09:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ April 05 2002,09:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Benns - buy an Acura... PLEASE!! I'm glad they never "putted" the SR20DE in the 240... less hp and tq! How pissed would I be? There's also a damn good reason they didn't but the DET in - $ and sales. But that is a whole other debate</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I have to disagree with you there, hippo. No DET so to create sales? I aint no alan Greenspan but why would japan have 1 market strategy in their country and have different market strategy in US? and in australia? Besides different law restrictions and strategic market testing, I see no other reason. Maybe that's why US Hondas are so popular since they get the same good stuff in japan. Som' to think about before bed tonite...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What uu said +

yeah... look at all those turbo Eclipses, Stealths, etc. that were selling like hotcakes... IIRC, 5% of all sales of that model.

Besides, the regulatory regime in Japan is perhaps THE reason the country is a hotbed of turbos. &nbsp;If you had to pay taxes by the litre, you would be all about small displacement, high output. &nbsp;Especially if reliability were less a factor due to other legal restraints that junk most cars after 10 years.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ April 04 2002,09:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is not like the "S" cars with a long hood and tail and a small passanger compartment. Notice the tiny trunk - there is lots of sitting room in there. It will be a 5-seater coupe, ala the BMW 3 series or CLK.

...

blink - see above - not an s16 (that actually IS Celica-esque). The G35 is much more like a Jag X-Type when you see it. The lights are the current trend in all cars, but are much different here b/c of the bulging hood (photos don't do it's curves justice).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually, it's supposed to be a 2+2 configuration..... tiny trunk might just mean they pushed the rear window back for better aerodynamics... can't really see the rear deck, but in a lot of modern cars the rear deck is actually pretty long to push the rear seats forward for better headroom under the rear window.

The thing is, the J30 and the S14 shared components... this is basically what I'm saying might (SHOULD) happen with the G35 and some new incarnation of the S-series. &nbsp;
As I stated above... packaged cheaper with a smaller motor, it'd basically be a "Silvia".

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DrDubbleB @ April 05 2002,1:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,11<!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PLEASE DO NOT START A KA/SR WAR IN HERE. JUST MAKING A POINT. ---</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
When you make the kind of point that you made, cutting down an engine so bad, it's entirely too late to say don't start the debates. I will not say anything more in this thread because that's what it's turning into.

And I didn't mean when you said that it wasn't a god engine because I agree, it's not, it's what you put in the parantheses, that will turn this topic into a debate</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not trying to be an ass here, but what are you talking about?? &nbsp;I did not cut down the engine at all. &nbsp;I have respect for both engines, and love both. &nbsp;I was simply stating that they are in the same class. &nbsp;Bringing that guys head out of the clouds. &nbsp;The only way you could see that as a cut down is if you saw the KA as a shit motor. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

Period. &nbsp;There is nothing more to say. &nbsp;so don't

Please don't take offense. &nbsp;I'm not here to make enemies. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;You guys are great. &nbsp;I just want to help and learn. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,5:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DrDubbleB @ April 05 2002,1:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 04 2002,11<!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PLEASE DO NOT START A KA/SR WAR IN HERE. JUST MAKING A POINT. ---</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
When you make the kind of point that you made, cutting down an engine so bad, it's entirely too late to say don't start the debates. I will not say anything more in this thread because that's what it's turning into.

And I didn't mean when you said that it wasn't a god engine because I agree, it's not, it's what you put in the parantheses, that will turn this topic into a debate</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not trying to be an ass here, but what are you talking about?? I did not cut down the engine at all. I have respect for both engines, and love both. I was simply stating that they are in the same class. Bringing that guys head out of the clouds. The only way you could see that as a cut down is if you saw the KA as a shit motor. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

Period. There is nothing more to say. so don't

Please don't take offense. I'm not here to make enemies. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> You guys are great. I just want to help and learn. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I would say that a more accurate comparison would be KA24de to sr20de and sr20det to ka24de + aftermarket turbo (with in reason). But I agree with your point.

[sykikchimp]

uuninja - you are correct.. &nbsp;I should have made that more clear. &nbsp;sorry. &nbsp;I can see what he's talking about now. &nbsp;It was clear in my mind. &nbsp;b/c I knew my train of thought. DOH

I apologize. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

I will in the future be more specific.

[AceInHole]

can we just agree that the VQ35 would wreck the older engines?? lol

[KiNG]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 05 2002,01:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiNG @ April 04 2002,02:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">eesh, dont hafta be so harsh to ppl. thanx for the input though, just work on ur tactfulness a bit man... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
lol..... 2 things have been pissing me off more than usual... people's unfounded attatchment to the SR and "drifting".... that and a Long Island Iced Tea make for tact out the window.

Another thing might be the old thread on the G35 sedan where people were crying it wasn't an i6 twin turbo coupe since they don't have a clue what a Skyline really is....

Basically, my tolerance for stupidity/ignorance/whatever-you-call-it is rapidly diminishing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hmmm, well, i see where u can be gettin frustrated about this sorta stuff, i bet im not helpin either hehe.

well, i totally side with ya man, i know if i didnt take my daily time-outs, i wouldnt be able to stand alot of the ppl i live with/daily interact with...
hmmm...

u should pick up a hobby like paintballing =D &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

nothin better to relieve stress than runnin around shootin random ppl and being incouraged to do it at that &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

hehe, im goin this saturday (in about 9 hours) coolzor =D

peace bro, chill out and dont let ppl get to ya =]

[irax]

Originally posted by AceInHole
can we just agree that the VQ35 would wreck the older engines?? lol
yes it would mop the floor of ALL the N/A tune motors respectivly (ALL of RB VG KA SR motors..)

[mrmephistopheles]

Originally posted by irax
yes it would mop the floor of ALL the N/A tune motors respectivly (ALL of RB VG KA SR motors..)

OMFG. You really have no idea what you're doing or talking about for that matter!
See, kids, this is some of the BAD results from searching and NOT reading.