Best N/A Engine

[DriftSpecial180]

What do you think would be the best engine to use, if i was to go N/A??

[ThatGuy]

The same N/A engine that's been discussed on these boards before when someone asked this question.

[drftwerks]

new c6 corvette engine pretty light really reliable.

[fliprayzin240sx]

NA....4, 6, 8, 10,12, 16 cylinder???? Which one???

[theicecreamdan]

My truck has a 460 and it makes shit loads of power and its stock,

[Irukandji]

stupid thread....

[nrg]

Ignorant thread creator.

[DriftSpecial180]

woah, my bad. Didn't mean to be "ignorant". I searched around, found something close, but turns out the guy quit with the NA and put a turbo on the SR20DE...:(. I guess i could have been more specific, just figured the all-knowing Zilvia guys could use their knowledgable heads to understand my question. No Disrespect or anything.

I guess it can be rephrased like this. If i keep the KA, does the single or dual cam have more potential? Does the SR20DE have more potential to put out more than the KA's? Is there a RWD SR20VE?

[NismoDan]

SR16VE N1
done.

[SilviaDriver]

woah, my bad. Didn't mean to be "ignorant".


its okay plenty of club240 members sound that way. hahahahahaha

best NA engine FOR ME would be a destroked KA.

is it me or is that guys sig big

[TheSnail]

4 rotor, Simple answer, Dont be retarded

[kandyflip445]

I've never seen a destroked KA and I don't feel like searching. lol
Could you give me a link?

[TheSnail]

I think they made a ka20e, so Im sure that has something to do with the 24's destrokeing.

[xtreme_s14]

do what no man has done before.. (at least i don't think they have) *drum roll* 350Z or G35 motor in a 240sx! yah, sorry i don't know the engine name.. yet! and i'm too lazy to look it up!

[ThatGuy]

^VQ35 lazy ass.

And "DriftSpecial180" (God, what a n00b name), read the forum Rules and Guidelines, then fix that montrosity of a signature. Then after you do that, search some more. The all-knowing populous of Zilvia gets tired of answering the same damn questions all the time from n00bs: "How do I put a Silvia face on my car?, What's the best engine?. Will {insert part name here} make me a better drifter?, etc., etc., etc." It get's a bit tiresom.

[kandyflip445]

TIRE-some. LOL. Kinda like all the tire threads that popped up lately. I like the change of pace though and the more knowledge the better.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Drop in an RB30 and be done with it.

[pruto]

B18C5 baby!!! haha =)

i'd like to see someone put vtec in a 240sx, just for the hell of it.

[DRFT]

16v 4ag
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[codyace]

Screw Vtech....get some wild sr20ve in there...all top end power!

[infinitexsound]

s2000 hands down............even a frakenstein ka cant compare to a s2k engine straight from the dealership

[NervGS]

I own both a redtop 4AG and S2000, and both are amazing in their own ways. The Toyota for being so goddamn fucking reliable with who knows how many miles are on it (it was swapped into my FX16), withstanding day after day of constant abuse and 100-200 mile drives 5 days a week. Honda just makes amazing NA engines period (B16B is amazing just for the power output), and probably some of the best.

-glenn

[chlatboy]

Yes, go back to hondas if you want powerful non turbo cars! :fawk:

[atom]

Realistically, SR20DE with ITB's. If I was a big baller, Cosworth Duratec.

[MakotoS13]

Any small block V8 or Z33 motor.

the END.

[ranisron]

4AG does the job... damn that motor sounds good stock wise, and it is pretty rev happy, and extremely reliable.

[gonzoes14k]

NA SR20 far as nissan 4cyl go.

[WanganRunner]

I'd go with the F20C too.

It should work, with a fair amount of custom fabbing. If people can get them into Datsun 510s, because people also put KA's into 510s, an F20C should be do-able in an S13/14 too. And think, you'd get that unbelievable transmission too...

[Phlip]

If I were you, and thank god I am not, I would return the 240SX back to whomever overcharged me for it, being a fan boy new kid on the block, go get my CRX back and put a B16whateverthefuck in it.

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[Replicant_S14]

woah, my bad. Didn't mean to be "ignorant". I searched around, found something close, but turns out the guy quit with the NA and put a turbo on the SR20DE

Doesn't matter. You can't win. If you find an old thread and post another question on it, you'll get flamed for resurrecting and old thread. Just lay down and let people piss on you for a little bit. It makes the insecure feel better about themselves. Pretty soon they'll get distracted by some other superfluous bullshit and forget about you anyway.

Think about it. Some people LOVE "ignorant noob post". If it was really that much of a bother they'd just ignore them.

[Yoshi]

Doesn't matter. You can't win. If you find an old thread and post another question on it, you'll get flamed for resurrecting and old thread. Just lay down and let people piss on you for a little bit. It makes the insecure feel better about themselves. Pretty soon they'll get distracted by some other superfluous bullshit and forget about you anyway.

Think about it. Some people LOVE "ignorant noob post". If it was really that much of a bother they'd just ignore them.

That was incredibly profound :)

thread starter: what do you have against forced induction? Not attacking, just curious.

[DriftSpecial180]

Doesn't matter. You can't win. If you find an old thread and post another question on it, you'll get flamed for resurrecting and old thread. Just lay down and let people piss on you for a little bit. It makes the insecure feel better about themselves. Pretty soon they'll get distracted by some other superfluous bullshit and forget about you anyway.

Think about it. Some people LOVE "ignorant noob post". If it was really that much of a bother they'd just ignore them.

Haha, yeah i guess your right. And i guess you have to have over 500 posts to be part of the badass crew, i'm not even a tenth of the way there. So much for the helping community, atleast Zilvia has cool smilies :fart:

As for me against turbo, i have nothing against it. I'm getting a CA before i start on anything to do with a N/A motor. I wanted to know what the best platform would be in the NISSAN engines.(Between the SR's and KA's) And look my Shit*y thread is already 2 pages :wiggle: (another cool smilie)

[ZK]

This is rather a stupid question.. its like asking what color you like most?
Everyone is going to give you a different answer. Ask something more specific.

[420sx]

What do you think would be the best engine to use, if i was to go N/A??
for WHAT???? drifting, drag, what???? u dont need alot to drift. so im assuming thats what u asking for, so


in decending order from best IMHO.

1) KA (u already have it)
2) 302 with alum heads. light and POWA!!! retain the balance too.
3) ls series with alluminum block. ($$$$)

[DriftSpecial180]

I think i already did. But, instead of being a jackass and telling you to get off your lazy ass and search throught page 1, i already found it for you "If i keep the KA, does the single or dual cam have more potential? Does the SR20DE have more potential to put out more than the KA's? Is there a RWD SR20VE?"

[infinitexsound]

16 valve is better performance over the 12 valve, as for NA 16valve VS a NA sr20de....i still would say the KA if built right more torque...but the sr is pretty rev happy..its a give and take......personal preference..
frakenstein KA like whoa...

[MakotoS13]

I think i already did. But, instead of being a jackass and telling you to get off your lazy ass and search throught page 1, i already found it for you "If i keep the KA, does the single or dual cam have more potential? Does the SR20DE have more potential to put out more than the KA's? Is there a RWD SR20VE?"

what the hell do you think? lets see:

which can make more NA power? a physically larger motor or a physically larger motor with dual cams or a physically smaller motor?

getting pissy will only make it harder on you. for good NA power to weight ratio NOTHING beats a small block V8.

THERE, your answer is as listed.

the next time i post in this thread it won't be very pleasant.

[Var]

The LS1 is the best n/a engine right now. Best meaning, cheap to buy, affordable to build, reliable, powerful, lightweight, and relatively small in size.

[Phlip]

I like how this thread is going absolutely nowhere, yet it hasn't died yet

[sLip techniques]

whats up with makato and v8's. I bet he watched the forza motorsport video about muscle cars :wiggle:

[nrg]

LS1 is the best and cheapest motor. most bang for buck. Why not put a LS1 into a 240sx? The power to weight is the same as KA.

Hey guys.. what's the best color/suspension/wheels/tires/women!?

[90RS13]

whats up with makato and v8's

maybe he's just not blinded by JDM tyteness. j/k. the V8 is just a great engine platform. i like all different kinds of engines, but when it comes to me and cylinders the more the merry. more cylinders equals smoother power output and nicer sound IMO.

[m0rex]

Bigger engines suck (not really powerwise) well really anything heavy sucks. I hate driving heavy cars. I own a corvette and i prefer driving my s14 any day over it. Theres a lot of reasons why i hate heavy cars but i just donated blood and i feel light headed and dont feel like explaining it. I prefer driving my dads Suzuki truck over a dually even if the power difference is about 200 hp.

[DriftSpecial180]

Makoto, This isn't making me pissy. Its pleasing to know i'm getting feed-back, almost 3 pages of it.

Why does everyone suggest the V-8 swap? I'm i the only one who ever wanted to build N/A car and ditch the overrated SR bandwagon?

[DriftSpecial180]

^VQ35 lazy ass.

And "DriftSpecial180" (God, what a n00b name), read the forum Rules and Guidelines, then fix that montrosity of a signature. Then after you do that, search some more. The all-knowing populous of Zilvia gets tired of answering the same damn questions all the time from n00bs: "How do I put a Silvia face on my car?, What's the best engine?. Will {insert part name here} make me a better drifter?, etc., etc., etc." It get's a bit tiresom.

I highly doubt that an N/A discussion is brought up that much. If it were, you guys should probably make an NA FAQ like the TURBO FAQ. Damn, i thought i had a cool name. :bow: (i think this is my favorite smilie)

[infinitexsound]

im with u buddy.. im not down with the sr.... rather build a HI COMP KA then a sr .... if i wouldnt want to build a KA rather just swap a s2k engine... easy..

[DriftSpecial180]

yeah, i've seen some sweet KA's with ITB's and Dual Side Draft Carbs. BTW, If i was to start this project, would the carbs or ITB's be better?

[MakotoS13]

HAD YOU SEARCHED... you would have seen:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=72825&highlight=BLASPHEMODIFICATION

which is a thread i created not too long ago that tossed around the idea.

[Phlip]

Had he searched, he woulld have found the numerous pisdsing contests about big horse NA engines, he would have then found that a reliably high-output NA engine would prove to be wildly expensive, especially in a side by side comparison with a forced induction engine of the same displacement, still featuring stock internals and STILL putting out better numbers...
Now here's the tricky part: if one has done this research and found this out about high-output NA engines, when left purely to the idea of the grand "KA vs. SR" debate, they would need to exercise common sense (the tricky part) and realize that they would save money, time, effort and forego a LOT of research to just go ahead and go with a turbo...

[BoroBoroS13]

If there were enough aftermarket parts for it I would say N/A CA18DE.

[DriftSpecial180]

Now they run out of ridiculous things to say to me, so they result to the infamous "search" gimmick. You guys wonder why this thread keeps going no where and hasn't died...?? Well if you guys would stop posting hateful remarks, you'd quit bumping it and people wouldn't see it. If everyone in here truely hate the subject they wouldn't post and leave the thread to rot. Instead, you get your panties in a bunch, then it will go on and on and on. :bow:

[MakotoS13]

honestly, we've been quite civil till now. you can't seem to take a hint, kid.

look, chuckles, the day i am stumped as to what to say by some troll like you is the day i make myself a lead salad kurt cobain stylee. calling search a "gimmick" shows how fuggin stupid you actually are.

mods, lock this thread on account of its author's clear retardation. i think we're all done here.

[DriftSpecial180]

And Makoto. Had i searched V-8 N/A. That thread would have come in handy. But i'm looking for 4 cylinder stuff. Thanks for the help though, appreciate the concern.

[DriftSpecial180]

I think i've been civil this whole time. I haven't attacked you guys nearly as bad as you guys have attacked me. I'm sorry for making smart ass remarks, but i'm just trying to stand up for myself, you know you'd do the same thing. I've never called you guys stupid, retarded, ignorant, etc. I apologize for wrong doing on my part...

[MakotoS13]

the BEST NA option for our cars IS V8 power. why? DISPLACEMENT. TORQUE.

two very good reasons. if you wanted some queer 10K reving hampster cage with 120 ft lbs torque and 400 peak HP go for it but don't say i didn't warn you.

NOTHING beats small block V8 power for space/weight to power ratio.

[DriftSpecial180]

Isn't there 4.5 liter Nissan engines as well? Do they perform as well as the chevy/ford? For more clear understanding...i don't want too much horsepower. between 215-250 on N/A would be sweet for me.

BTW, if the fueding is done, do we still have to close the thread?

[Var]

it's hardly worth doing a complicated swap for 250 horse. doing an sr is different cause it's real easy and well documented. Doing a ford 302 or any other n/a swap i can think of wont really be worth it(IMO)

That's why you should get an LS1. Damnit. 345 horsepower for 4 grand and as a bonus, it comes with torque.

You can get your KA up to 250 horsepower if you really wanted. Just destroke it, up the compression to 13.5:1, wild cams, port the head and rev it to 9K. hardly seems worth the effort.


one day..you will learn the best way. KA-T. Besides doing a v-8 nothing else makes sense to me.

[ghostuss]

yep fully build a KA and turbo that shit to 500-600hp.

[Var]

yep fully build a KA and turbo that shit to 500-600hp.


:doh: you completely missed the point.

anyways...i found this thread on freshalloy and there is some information about v-8 swap kits. personally i dont know if they information is up to date but it's worth taking a look at.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=67932154&Forum=All_Forums&Words=ls1&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=67931788&Search=true#Post67932154

[DriftSpecial180]

The Best way? Don't you think its preference?

I really don't want a V8. I love my single cam, but eventually i'm swapping a CA in. The NA will be a project for me on the side. I would like to do my KA-E because not many people use them.

[FRpilot]

I would like to do my KA-E because not many people use them.

hahahaha.. :bash:

first of all... doing something because not many people do it is dumb reason to get into anything... at the very least why dont you pick something with a little bit more potential that 'not many people use' if you want to do something no one else has ever done before...

[whooha1217]

built a B18C, if u wanno go NA.... lol

[Var]

lol...the CA is THE dummest thing you could do to a 240. It's harder and more expensive with less than satisfactory results. I'd rather use a n/a DOHC KA with cams, exhaust and a header. It's like one of those things people think are trick, but it's really stupid. The SR can hardly make enough torque as it is, why go with something even smaller?

[infinitexsound]

being original wow.. hmmmm FIND A 20b setup if u can..

[DriftSpecial180]

Well, this isn't the only reason. The motor will be sitting in the garage. It will be a fun project for me. The CA may be a stupid idea for you... but i like it. As for the price, i've already looked into it. I priced both engines making equal power. I found out the power by finding out what other people run and seeing their dyno charts. Both came out to around the same price. $4,700-$5,000. That is including the Front Clip. Keep calling me stupid, but thats what i enjoy :bow:

[typex3000]

What you really need to do is buy a car, and then buy some stuff to put in it because you are stoked on it, then get bored of it. all the while becoming addicted to lame messageboards where everyone is as bitter as you are that new people are just as dumb and excited about it as you used to be. well, youll still be dumb if youre like them. but then you have to think youre cool because you spent some money and put a motor in yourself. and also you can become part of the elite crew of 10 million retarded car enthusiasts who all argue about whos car is the coolest.

[smellslikecurry]

What you really need to do is buy a car, and then buy some stuff to put in it because you are stoked on it, then get bored of it. all the while becoming addicted to lame messageboards where everyone is as bitter as you are that new people are just as dumb and excited about it as you used to be. well, youll still be dumb if youre like them. but then you have to think youre cool because you spent some money and put a motor in yourself. and also you can become part of the elite crew of 10 million retarded car enthusiasts who all argue about whos car is the coolest.


you my friend should not be calling anyone dumb...english owns you...


and as for the thread starter...

if your stuck up on being original...then why did you buy a 240? Every mod on this planet has been done to 240s. b

[Var]

Well, this isn't the only reason. The motor will be sitting in the garage. It will be a fun project for me. The CA may be a stupid idea for you... but i like it. As for the price, i've already looked into it. I priced both engines making equal power. I found out the power by finding out what other people run and seeing their dyno charts. Both came out to around the same price. $4,700-$5,000. That is including the Front Clip. Keep calling me stupid, but thats what i enjoy :bow:


i didnt mean you were stupid, i said doing a CA swap is. Sometime smart people do stupid things. Like me! i bought a pink car

[MakotoS13]

yeah, that pink car idea didn't pan out so well.

[Var]

shudup :Owned:

damn Texan.

[Phlip]

The Best way? Don't you think its preference?

I really don't want a V8. I love my single cam, but eventually i'm swapping a CA in. The NA will be a project for me on the side. I would like to do my KA-E because not many people use them.
No, see "best" is an OBjective assessment, meaning that is has verifiable truth to substantiate it. "Preference," on the other hand, is SUBjective, meaning it could very well be wildly loveable and still the worst fucking idea for all conventional reasoning. In this case, you have been presented with turbocharging the KA24DE, which compared to swapping in a V8 or trying to build a mega-high output NA KADE (or KA24E) would save you a load of cash and simple searching will save you from being the test goat for every little thing you try. Keep in mind that at the end of that day, you keep useable power delivery in the fact that the engine will maintain it's torquey nature.
On the other hand, you have the option of being the wild dark horse and swapping in a LS1, supremely smooth, torquey and available and maintain a similar (horse)power to weight ratio and still better torque output. On the other hand, as Var stated, that sumbitch would run about $4large.
Compare with me now, getting a KA24DE that you KNOW fits and making in the neighborhood of 250-300 (maybe more, but we will stick with what is practical) horses and very good torque and spending $2xxx.xx, swapping in a LS1 and spending AROUND $4xxx.xx or more while still being left with the task of MAKING it fit, going custom crank in your KA24E, or even doing similar with the DE, or a CA or NA SR and laying down some still unknown amount of cash for an unknown amount of (or lack thereof) maximum output, reliability, driveability or just plain simple practicality... I personally has shitcanned the KAE for DE and will be boosting it next, you can save that NA shit for someone with more time on their hands and a goose that lays golden fucking eggs...

[DriftSpecial180]

I see philip, but then i wasn't looking to "build a mega-high output NA KA". I'm content with 250 hp. And it is a time project because its my spare engine, why not have some fun with it and get some expierence. I can't learn everything asking lame questions on the forum :D.

As for curry's remarks, stuck up isn't the way to put it. More like obsessed. The reason i chose an S13 is because i've been in love with it ever since the time of GT2 (or somewhere around then) Also, being 17 in high school it offers great availablity for parts. Not to mention its one of the greatest cars ever made, well atleast in my eyes. I'm in love with it...

[Var]

I see philip, but then i wasn't looking to "build a mega-high output NA KA". I'm content with 250 hp. And it is a time project because its my spare engine, why not have some fun with it and get some expierence. I can't learn everything asking lame questions on the forum :D.

As for curry's remarks, stuck up isn't the way to put it. More like obsessed. The reason i chose an S13 is because i've been in love with it ever since the time of GT2 (or somewhere around then) Also, being 17 in high school it offers great availablity for parts. Not to mention its one of the greatest cars ever made, well atleast in my eyes. I'm in love with it...


Dude...250whp from a n/a KA will cost you 8-10 grand. do you get it? (assuming you are sticking to your original N/A mission statement.)

[Phlip]

Dude...250whp from a n/a KA will cost you 8-10 grand. do you get it? (assuming you are sticking to your original N/A mission statement.
^^^ Bingo, the guy with the pink car took something from the point of my post

[MakotoS13]

man if 250 whp were easily obtained i wouldn't be going forced induction or considering an LS1.

get a grip on something other than your Superstreet jaggoffrag.

[RBS14]

Dude...250whp from a n/a KA will cost you 8-10 grand. do you get it? (assuming you are sticking to your original N/A mission statement.)

The crazy thing is that like 3-4k of that would be in the head alone..... at least.

This thread is pretty lame so I'm not gonna spend my time posting anything worth while. However I would like to say I love idiots that say the SR is "rev happy". hahah just cause it has a higher redline than a ka, that makes it "rev happy"? Ah, nevermind, I figured it out. It must be the rocker arms that make it "rev happy".... hahaha

[420sx]

I think i already did. But, instead of being a jackass and telling you to get off your lazy ass and search throught page 1, i already found it for you "If i keep the KA, does the single or dual cam have more potential? Does the SR20DE have more potential to put out more than the KA's? Is there a RWD SR20VE?"

i didnt even bother to read your stupid thread because you didnt even bother to search. this topic is up every week. whats N/a this? whats n/a that? What bolt ons??? what N/a engine? goddamn son. :fawkd:

[420sx]

The crazy thing is that like 3-4k of that would be in the head alone..... at least.

This thread is pretty lame so I'm not gonna spend my time posting anything worth while. However I would like to say I love idiots that say the SR is "rev happy". hahah just cause it has a higher redline than a ka, that makes it "rev happy"? Ah, nevermind, I figured it out. It must be the rocker arms that make it "rev happy".... hahaha

revhappy? every engine is rev happy. SR's redline dont mean shit to me. you shift by turbo efficency ranges anyway (for drag). revhappy..... :ghey:

[TheSnail]

lol...the CA is THE dummest thing you could do to a 240. It's harder and more expensive with less than satisfactory results. I'd rather use a n/a DOHC KA with cams, exhaust and a header. It's like one of those things people think are trick, but it's really stupid. The SR can hardly make enough torque as it is, why go with something even smaller?

One of my selling cars was a CA. Stock, exhaust, dp, intake, sr turbo. The guy I sold it to, took it too a dyno-day and pulled 223rwhp and 220tq @14psi, putting the sr's there to shame. Other then one that had much more mods, and pulled 225rwhp. Ca should not be underestemated. Hes on nico, Ill see if I can get the link.

[Var]

CA is poop. This is based on the fact that Sr's are poop. This is based on the fact that KA's can whoop sr's. And Ls1 rules all. Everett&Jones rocks my world. Good night. Beer and happy dreams

[420sx]

ca need total overhall right off the bat for the most part plus parts are a lil harder to come by. nothing like newer sr's (redtops are junked very often too)

[TheSnail]

CA is poop. This is based on the fact that Sr's are poop. This is based on the fact that KA's can whoop sr's. And Ls1 rules all. Everett&Jones rocks my world. Good night. Beer and happy dreams


I thought so as well, untill I built a car too sell (the one above) and saw how fast it was. The stock ca turbo is the size of one of my balls, so if you give it an sr turbo, it WILL out power a sr, stock for sr-stock. Ca is a baby RB and is underestimated do to its shity stock turbo. The Ca is really not bad at all.

[DriftSpecial180]

Parts aren't that much harder to come by, '88 pulsar uses 99% of the parts, the other 1% is stuff relating to the turbo. As for the aftermarket, might be more difficuly to find, but doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have a catalogue that consists of many parts for the RS13, just have to find the place that imports the vendor.

[Var]

EDIT: i erased all that i wrote here because i just realized the topic of the thread was best n/a engine. SO nvm. we can continue this elsewhere.

[Pank]

man if 250 whp were easily obtained i wouldn't be going forced induction or considering an LS1.


I still think this is a fucking awesome idea

[DriftSpecial180]

I still think this is a fucking awesome idea

Yeah, with some velocity stacks stickin out the side of your engine...

[MakotoS13]

i wanna see a carb'd and blown 302 with the shakin pokin through the hood.

sure it'd look obscene... but it'd BE obscene.

[91CRXsiR]

B16A is the king, then 20V4AGE

[wootwoot]

One of these days I will have a 4.0-4.5 liter v8 in a 240sx and it will not be as fast as many others out there but I will love it more. It will also be way better reliability wise. The wiring is not that hard on these insane motorswaps and stuff IF you go standalone. Might as well ya know?? For the original thread started, I honestly say f20c for best 4 cylinder high output n/a. You can pick up full front clips for 3500-4500 dollars, people dont really do anything with the motors when they are scraped. They are not particularly popular cars. If you spent the money on it with standalone, cams, and some other jibber jabber it would definitely be worth it. It would cost 6-7 grand, and make less power than other alternatives, but it would be what YOU want which makes it kind of ok. The reason you were flamed so much is because you did not ask a specific question. All these super general questions get flamed because they are pretty dumb, get specific with you want or give examples off the bat of what you are thinking about and why. Why is n/a better anyway?? Because it generates less heat than turbo and has better longevity?? But Makoto, I'm not sure if this was mentioned in the other n/a thread. But have you ever considered one of the GM 3800's?? You can get those for cheap as shit, and they can modified decently. In a 240 it would push it around decently stock since they have good torque and all but they are definitely bullet proof motors. Maybe throw a nice little toy between the v and shred it?

key to crazy engine swaps, stand alone.

[Var]

key to crazy engine swaps....carburetors.

and why would you need a standalone. The engine is supposed to be wired to run off it's own ECU. I dont see the need for a standalone unless it's highly modified. And even then carburetor wins

[MakotoS13]

the key to swapping any part into a car is to make it feel like its in its original home and accomidate it as such.

[drftwerks]

B16A is the king, then 20V4AGE

haha just baout all honda twin cam vtec's are better than any of 4ag's

[Ricks15]

Hands down the KA24E is the best. For me its ok because im still learning the physics fo my car. But other choices the 350 small block is the best in america it is a awsome and reliable-powerfull motor and if you break the Sheeeet out of it parts are so very dirt cheap. :)

[sepulchral]

a b16

in a civic

so unique

[wootwoot]

carburators are just gross and inefficent to me. With standalone you dont have to deal with any of the stock wiring trash and it not fitting the chassis properly. Then you can dial it in and have it fine tuned, more hp with no real problems.

[G_Fish240]

haha just baout all honda twin cam vtec's are better than any of 4ag's
Blacktop 20v with megasquirt will own a B16, also I think my GZE is a little better then a B16 ;)

[MakotoS13]

why the hell are we talking about honda motors if he wants to discuss REAL power?

with a STOCK LS1 you can own anybody you want and still get like 28mpg. i dont see the complication here.

[91CRXsiR]

eh GZE has some balls but its NOT NA , B16A wins hahah

[G_Fish240]

why the hell are we talking about honda motors if he wants to discuss REAL power?

with a STOCK LS1 you can own anybody you want and still get like 28mpg. i dont see the complication here.
I agree with you, for once......

[BlackZenkiS14]

My vote goes with the 20V 4age. Even the NA 3Sge in the altezza is a great motor. But the Honda K20 is a great motor also, to bad it never came RWD! :duh:

[240coupe]

IMO i say go with the F22C (02-up s2000 motor) or C32A (NSX motor). And B16a's suck a$$. Since you'll are talkin about honda motors i thought id add something as well. Get a ls/vtec or b20/vtec for cheap, reliable power.

Gus

[tryiian]

hey thread starter guy, if you`re still here... you needa come over here where we all think like you, or at least in a vane similar enough to not bash you over ... everything.

btw, "here" is http://www.club240.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=11
Devious, wikd, and vinnie are the most devoted, and craziest, NA KA builders i`ve ever heard of.
they never cease to teach me stuff that iKeep in mind for when iGet around to building my KA.

P.S.
for anyone that`s lookin for a reason (personal, which doesn`t equal popular) to *not* turbo for power. My situation is that what iWant is response, through a very usable (i.e. smooth) torque/power band. sheer numbers, drag, street, etc don`t interest me because iMostly drive short tracks (like autox and gymkhana) where the best time comes mostly from suspension setups (and of course, driving), and the highest power car tends to come in the middle of the rankings. The situation iUse most often to describe what i`m talkin about to people is simply to have steady state cornering, with good pickup from down low(how well does a stock (or less) CR car pickup off boost, say from 2500 compared to the same engine in boost, or a high comp engine?), and a smooth transition into the powerband, rather than the sort of jump in power, and resulting traction loss, the turbo spooling can cause.

It is possible (the rotary guys are great at this) to have such tender control and quick reaction that you can feather the car on your spool point, with the spool happening slowly and controllably, but it`s a very complicated (and unnecessary, imo) practice that often ruins great runs where a different setup could put all their thrust into the exit sooner. From here you oughta be able to understand why a decently tuned (as in i/h/e, ecu, and some headwork and/or sohc pistons) KA, costing slightly less (even if in personal experience it goes over, it`s worth it for me) than an sr would be very capable of turning a faster time than the more powerful, but less sensitive in responsive turbo equipped car. This of course assumes a fairly techinical low speed course, but that sort of thing is where iHave all my fun. So that`s my story. iWant some good tq and power in the offboost revv range with a smooth curve between 2 and 4, characteristics i`ve never seen from a turbo. I`ll admit i`ve thought iCould hook myself up a power system, where the turbo spools up above 4 or 5, for maximizing those straights. Haven`t researched turbo details enough yet, though.

[DriftSpecial180]

Tryiian, i am there. My threads at the top too, Best N/A engine. I spend a good deal of time over there, i guess because help is abundant. :hug:

Dang, but zilvia has lots of smilies.... :sadwavey:

[91CRXsiR]

B20 VTEC isn't even a real motor so doesnt count and the 20V isn't that great its not like the one Takumi has in his 86 hahah B16A is the king cuz it came out 1st and set the standard for the rest.. [actually the NSX motor came out 1st but lets forget about that for a sec]

[240coupe]

What do you mean B20/VTEC isnt a real motor? If you mean coming from the factory then you are correct, but in other terms it is a real motor because my friend built one and put it in his hatch. Plus if a b20/vtec isnt a real motor then neither is an ls/vtec. So please explain what you meant when you said that. Thanks

Gus

[Phlip]

Why should he have to explain yourself when you just did?

[240coupe]

Im confused now. :-/

[Phlip]

What do you mean B20/VTEC isnt a real motor? If you mean coming from the factory then you are correct, but in other terms it is a real motor because my friend built one and put it in his hatch. Plus if a b20/vtec isnt a real motor then neither is an ls/vtec. So please explain what you meant when you said that. Thanks

Gus
Your question was underlined, your answer was bold... Still confused?

[240coupe]

OK gotcha. I wasnt exactly sure what he meant when he said that.

Gus

[zeek]

LS2 bitches.... 400hp nuff said..

[infinitexsound]

ls1 hmm nice still wouldnt do it...

[drftwerks]

Blacktop 20v with megasquirt will own a B16, also I think my GZE is a little better then a B16 ;)


a crx w/ healthy B16 will still pull on a corolla w/ 20V BT