Question for owners of welded diff

[Kouki]

I was going to weld my diff this weekend(can't afford nismo 2-way :wtc: ), and I was talking to my dad, and he kept telling me not to do it cuz I'll break axles if I drive it on the street. Well I searched and couldn't find anything about people breaking axles from having a welded diff.

So my question to all owners of welded diffs, have you ever broke axles, or tore up anything else in the drive-train that was caused by the diff being welded? Help me decide what to do. Should I weld it? Should I leave it open for now? Should I just wait till I can afford a 2-way lsd?

[infinitexsound]

your gonna break axels with a 2 way also.......................................

[Flybert]

Your tires will break traction before you break your axles.

[JDMark]

tons of people up here running welded diffs, from what i hear its very predictable and isnt as bad as people think for daily driving. dont worry about breaking the axles just weld it and go driving. i havent heard of anyone yet thats broken an axle from it.

[racer98]

also from what others have said it will tear up the clutch! and its not fun when your on a slick or wet road.

[sw20>>s14]

not good in the wet...if its welded properly, it wont break

[007jpang]

there's hella fear and bullshit on the internet of people saying
that the 240 will whip out if it rains with a weld diff...and
that axles will break...
it will lock up on a turn...

well i have had my weld diff for about 2-3 months drove in the rain plenty of time fast too... and this weld diff does not whip out if i don't want it to...

the diff is very predictable and yes axles will break ( just don't use super sticky tires in the back and burn out doing donuts for 1100000000 times)... but as mentioned above they will also break if you have a 2 way... either way if your drifting shit will break.

and since it is a weld diff that shit is always locked up... basically a weld diff just make both wheels spin at the same time all the time. So it like a 2 way that's always engaged]]



And if anyone wants a bullet proof welded diff in the bay area just
call up LUKE 1-408-515-9598
New price

$120 for Welded diff (bead blasted, cleaned,new gasket, like new) I think you need to exchange with you open diff not sure though... just ask him
or

$75 weld it up front, but you need to drain the oil your self

[ghostuss]

since when you had a welded diff John? I remember we went to stockton event and you had an open diff.

Oh btw, yea welded diff will break axle. More than a 2 way cause it's always engaged = constantly putting stress on the axles. But fuck the axles are cheap. With that 600-700 dollar difference you can buy as much axles as ur car will last.

[sw20>>s14]

and since it is a weld diff that shit is always locked up... basically a weld diff just make both wheels spin at the same time all the time. So it like a 2 way that's always engaged

i dont think 2 ways lock up on neutral and they dont spin exactly, all the time...

edit: nv, i somehow read your post wrong...havnt had much sleep lately...

[007jpang]

i dont think 2 ways lock up on neutral and they dont spin exactly, all the time...


hey man you know what i mean stop pulling my chain.

[ghostuss]

He said it's LIKE a 2 way that is always engaged. He didn't say a 2 way diff is always engaged.

[infinitexsound]

If u WELD it, things will break....save money get a vlsd.. like whoa im selling one i might add... = ) but will not ship unless u wanna pay a 80 dollar shipping fee..

[007jpang]

hey infinitexsound if you did not get a vlsd yet , don't get it cause if the fluid gets too hot it will not grab and that will make it act as an open diff.

john

[nigel1]

I think I need to weld my diff... but what I am worried about is when I drive in the mountains. will it hinder my performance on mountain roads??? because thats the only thing holding me back. I wana be able to rip around corners with grip too without having to worry about crashing because the ass end came out when I didn't expect it or want it to...

[r thizzel]

wat welder did everyone use on their diff? I have a "stick" welder..strong enough?

[AeBaSupLook]

I remember talking to Luke at the track and the first thing he told me was he was running a welded diff. I was surprise and thought he was joking... But then I saw him pull his car off the trailer and see the wheels both wheel just fighting each other. I didn't get to talk to him at the test day event because we were all busy tearing shit up... Yea, talk to Luke about welded diff, I'm sure he will educate you all about it.

-Kevin

[AeBaSupLook]

wat welder did everyone use on their diff? I have a "stick" welder..strong enough?

A arc welder is good and offer a good and deep penetration. However its hard to get inbetween the spider gears and get a good weld. Try using a good mig welder.

[infinitexsound]

stick, runs to hot but wouldnt doubt it for getting the job done... but warpage is a criteria for using it....200amp is deep penetration.. 160 would be least i say...migs are nice ill buy a 210 when im done with school and its able to weld alluminum..

[s13gonwild]

Things break when you drift period...if your going to bitch about it dont drift at all. And make sure you weld it good. Ived had mine for couple of weeks...love it for the price i paid FREE hahaa...also maybe you should get a spare diff to weld....(i did that) so when rain/winter weather comes by, you can swap out the welded and throw the good ol open diff in.

Good luck

[m0rex]

It gets really slick when its cold around here. If you weld your differential tell me how it goes i might do the same as soon as i get done finishing my quarter panel.

[infinitexsound]

yeap if u build a 240 it will break... nope im not purchasings a vlsd.. cause i already have one...i want a welded diff because i want something solid for the events this summer... cant afford da clutch cause me no have no big faces....and i just wanna get rid of it because i have 2 spare diffs... and would like the extra income... yah smell me? pop my collar !

[raging panda]

i have a welded, if you have bald tires, and you break hard into a turn, it will lose traction when you dont want it to, i know that for sure. otherwise, it just makes squeaking noises around tight corners and makes you want to understeer into every curb in front of you, but when you slide its nice. If you like grip, i wouldnt do it though. For drift, its great. I havent heard of anyone first hand breaking any axles ever, but there might be one or two people on the net with 240s that have snapped them. I also have spare axles and a spare open just in case one of the two break.

verdict: thumbs up here

[DailyDrifter240]

-->raging panda

When you say" If you like Grip, than dont get one" What do you mean? Could you ellaborate on this subject? :aw:

[JDMs13]

A arc welder is good and offer a good and deep penetration. However its hard to get inbetween the spider gears and get a good weld. Try using a good mig welder.

How would a mig welder make access to the gears any easier than a stick welder. A stick welder would be easier, but since its no problem to get a mig's gas cup in there, what you said makes no sense.

[Drunk Bastard]

ok, i've been running a welded diff DAILY for almost a year now. nothing has broke. it will ONLY slip out in the rain if you have bald tires and come in hot. otherwise, it drives fine once you get used to it. oh, and if you ever switch back to open diff...hahaha....you're gonna realize even MORE how good welded diff or 2way really is....all in all open diff SUCKS, just weld it and get it over with.

[SochBAT]

-->raging panda

When you say" If you like Grip, than dont get one" What do you mean? Could you ellaborate on this subject? :aw:

Being as both tires are 'engaged' 100% of the time, it'll b alot easier to make the tires break loose. Grip racing isn't so safe with a welded diff, being as most turns are meant to have different turning revolutions for better cornering. So with a welded diff, while cornering, one tire will grip (inside) and the other tire will not have much traction and might squeak.

[Drunk Bastard]

^^ i think y ou have the tires mixed up. the inside tire will "squeek" and the outside will grip, considering that they are both moving at the same speed and the inside tire has to travel less distance with the same amount of rotations... its like making a u-turn. inside tire will always skuff

[raging panda]

i meant grip racing, no good, understeer everywhere, it will probably hurt more than help. I didnt mean anything about safety, i dont see why it wouldnt be as safe but it would suck for track racing. For drifting, its a 2 way while you are sliding as far as im concerned.

[HyperTek]

dont worry, the axles wont break, its not a honda =D

[SochBAT]

Bastard, you are right. Its the inside thats the squeaker. And Panda, understeer??? i'd think with the welded diff, it'd be oversteer, for loss of traction from one tire while the other is still gripping. I really don't see how you'd really increase chances of understeering with a welded diff.

On another note, anyone thinks there doesn't need to be gear fluid inside? Me n the guys argue about it alot.

[sr240mike]

Read Luke's writeup on the subject. He accidentally ran without fluid for an entire event. You should still run fluid. http://guernsey.globat.com/~mountainracer.com/shockdrifting/weldlocd.html

[papershot]

you should run fluid. the spider gears are being welded, not the ring and pinion.

[Drunk Bastard]

Bastard, you are right. Its the inside thats the squeaker. And Panda, understeer??? i'd think with the welded diff, it'd be oversteer, for loss of traction from one tire while the other is still gripping. I really don't see how you'd really increase chances of understeering with a welded diff.

On another note, anyone thinks there doesn't need to be gear fluid inside? Me n the guys argue about it alot.

actually, understeer is VERY present. heres a scenario: lets say its raining and your front tires are bald or balding...then you will understeer no problem. and carefull not to give it too much gas in the rain because you will oversteer. welded diff in the rain is NOT for a beginning driver.

story time: one day on my way home from school (raining with bald fronts) i went to casually take a left hand turn at a light and understeered about 2inches from the cement that the stop light is on. so be carefull when driving with welded diff

that is all :2f2f: :2f2f:

[SochBAT]

actually, understeer is VERY present. heres a scenario: lets say its raining and your front tires are bald or balding...then you will understeer no problem. and carefull not to give it too much gas in the rain because you will oversteer. welded diff in the rain is NOT for a beginning driver.

story time: one day on my way home from school (raining with bald fronts) i went to casually take a left hand turn at a light and understeered about 2inches from the cement that the stop light is on. so be carefull when driving with welded diff

that is all :2f2f: :2f2f:

Well, considering your scenario has many variables on understeering' side, yea, you're right. If you do get a welded diff, take a good day to learn how it'll react to your throttle, how much gas it takes to break it out, and how fast it'll pitch out.

[i8yourfwd]

So about the grip driving issue. People at 240sxforums.com say welded diff will improve grip over a open diff? Everyone here says the opposite.. So any guys run their welded diff's at a track (or even up in the mountains), think that their old open diff would've served them better? One would think that since 2way LSD improves grip driving, that a welded diff wouldn't be too far behind.

[OptionZero]

anything is better than open diff, but a welded diff will change the way your car behaves..i.e. more understeer at entry and more oversteer on throttle exit

A 2 way lsd is NOT ideal for grip driving, if you are dealing with clutch types, a 1.5 way is the best, but even that isn't as ideal as a torsen/Quaife

once again:
Drift: 1. 2way clutch 2. welded diff
Grip: 1. Quaife 2. S15 hlsd

a VLSD sucks, a phantom grip sucks worse, and an open diff sucks the most

[i8yourfwd]

ok ok.. so welded diff won't be too horrible to do a few mountain runs with. Just takes some getting used to?

[Drunk Bastard]

So about the grip driving issue. People at 240sxforums.com say welded diff will improve grip over a open diff? Everyone here says the opposite.. So any guys run their welded diff's at a track (or even up in the mountains), think that their old open diff would've served them better? One would think that since 2way LSD improves grip driving, that a welded diff wouldn't be too far behind.

#1. people on 240sxforums are dumb.
#B. try taking a sharp right turn at..full throttle...in an open diff. what happens? your right tire spins and you lose speed. now try that with a welded diff, you will ACCELERATE and possibly oversteer, but use your right foot to determine how much oversteer you will have.
basically, a welded diff is 20x better for grip driving than open diff (in my opinion) I'm sure there are people that will say otherwise...but i dont care, they are stupid for liking open diff.

[i8yourfwd]

#1. people on 240sxforums are dumb.
#B. try taking a sharp right turn at..full throttle...in an open diff. what happens? your right tire spins and you lose speed. now try that with a welded diff, you will ACCELERATE and possibly oversteer, but use your right foot to determine how much oversteer you will have.
basically, a welded diff is 20x better for grip driving than open diff (in my opinion) I'm sure there are people that will say otherwise...but i dont care, they are stupid for liking open diff.
Basically the rule is open diff is "t3h suxxxx" regardless looks like. I'll probobly contact luke about the NSD. Before or after the canyon run is what I'm iffy about, if it handles better, great. But if it acts too different, I may just wait so I have time to get used to it.

FYI: There's a pretty big car meet/drive for Norcal/sacto on 7/23. All the other info is in the regional section (hardly any1 ever checks it). I'd like to see some people from shockdrifting there.. Nice nice nice nice cars.

[final act]

you wont break axles nor will a 2 way break axles on a 240sx....weld it then save up for a real diff,kaaz,cusco,nismogt,osgiken,ats, etc.....

[Drunk Bastard]

Basically the rule is open diff is "t3h suxxxx" regardless looks like. I'll probobly contact luke about the NSD. Before or after the canyon run is what I'm iffy about, if it handles better, great. But if it acts too different, I may just wait so I have time to get used to it.

FYI: There's a pretty big car meet/drive for Norcal/sacto on 7/23. All the other info is in the regional section (hardly any1 ever checks it). I'd like to see some people from shockdrifting there.. Nice nice nice nice cars.


hmm, shock drifting isnt too keen on car shows/meets....but we'll see

[TurDz]

#1. people on 240sxforums are dumb.
#B. try taking a sharp right turn at..full throttle...in an open diff. what happens? your right tire spins and you lose speed. now try that with a welded diff, you will ACCELERATE and possibly oversteer, but use your right foot to determine how much oversteer you will have.
basically, a welded diff is 20x better for grip driving than open diff (in my opinion) I'm sure there are people that will say otherwise...but i dont care, they are stupid for liking open diff.

That's the first time that I've read that the welded diff is good for grip. Hmm...

sounds pretty interesting, since I plan to do an even amount of drift/grip yet have no real $$ for a 1.5/2 way adjustable diff. The only thing I'm afraid of is during hard braking (near full lock) I don't want the rear to become unstable.

[i8yourfwd]

hmm, shock drifting isnt too keen on car shows/meets....but we'll see
I wanna see some 240s other than mine and my friends. Let everybody know that the 240 community is strong still..

[raging panda]

i dunno, i just figured that having both wheels always at the same speed in a corner would make it very difficult to control the transition from under to oversteer, but i guess once you find that out then you are good to go. And Ive heard that F1 cars electric diffs run mostly locked anyways, with little slipping when in a tight hairpin, or maybe im high, but anyways, good enough for F1, good enough for panda.

reflecting on the discussion above, i guess having both wheels pushing is always better than only having one push.

[Drunk Bastard]

That's the first time that I've read that the welded diff is good for grip. Hmm...

sounds pretty interesting, since I plan to do an even amount of drift/grip yet have no real $$ for a 1.5/2 way adjustable diff. The only thing I'm afraid of is during hard braking (near full lock) I don't want the rear to become unstable.

when you say near full lock, do you mean full opposite lock (countersteer), cause if so...you dont have anything to worry about. often at altamont during ncda events between turns 3 and 4 i jam on the brakes(to slow down) while transitioning and the car stays stable and predictable as always. and i said welded diff is good for grip considering that open is terrible for all things. a vlsd or hlsd would be better for autox or daily driving, but once you get used to the welded diff and the way it acts while turning, it will become 2nd nature to you.

[SochBAT]

Thats true that you'll get the true feel for the welded diff, but if it was me, i'd stick to my open diff for any mountain road, regardless of speedloss.

Say you've got a sweeping s-turn on a canyon, pretty acute. going in mild-hot, wiht a welded diff, you'd mostlikely break your tires out, depending how the throttle is applied. Both tires spinning at the same rate while turning means one tire will grip, the other will slide/'float'. With the open diff, i'd think both would be able to grip, being as power is correctly distributed to both tires.

So in my book,
Drift = welded diff, 2way
Grip = 1.5way, VLSD, or Open

[Drunk Bastard]

have you driven on a welded diff in the mountains? its not bad. i am much faster with the welded diff than i am with an open diff. welded diff is EXTREMELY predictable, you know EXACTLY when the rear end will step out...and often you gotta try to get it to step out. let me set this straight....driving on a welded diff is not scary and its not unpredictable. for this to really sink in i need you to do 2 things.
1. buy a 2nd open diff
2. weld it up and drive it
then you'll see that its not bad at all. :coold:

[i8yourfwd]

have you driven on a welded diff in the mountains? its not bad. i am much faster with the welded diff than i am with an open diff. welded diff is EXTREMELY predictable, you know EXACTLY when the rear end will step out...and often you gotta try to get it to step out. let me set this straight....driving on a welded diff is not scary and its not unpredictable. for this to really sink in i need you to do 2 things.
1. buy a 2nd open diff
2. weld it up and drive it
then you'll see that its not bad at all. :coold:
Will do man, hopefully I can get a hold of luke and get it installed before the meet on the 23rd :D Does he do installs also?

[SochBAT]

i can do touge runs just fine with the welded diff, until a patch of sand/water comes around. Those are all too plentiful down here, so we gotta be extra careful. You are right, once you learn your welded diff, you should be driving like a king, but personally, i think there are too many variables up in the canyons for me to really trust my driving. Contact LukeSkywalker, and get it DONE!

[kiss my bumper]

i have had my welded diff in for a while now. it has not broken a axle an it IS very predictable. I have driven it at drift showoff and touge in co springs and it is my daily driver. but i will say, the touge i drive is Very scary with the diff locked up compared to a open but besides that it is super fun compared to a open diff. overall i will weld every open diff i see, and never look back. thats just my 2cents

[i8yourfwd]

For me, I was more scared with open diff because if the rear end broke loose a little bit I would get whipped back and forth. Now with welded I can push the car more because welded is alot more predictable.

[SochBAT]

I know how bad Open Diffs kick ass. I broke a LCA n tension rod cuz it gripped and flung me around.

Welded Diffs RULE!

[thejester03]

Has any one had any problems with wheel hop?

[Irukandji]

i ran a welded diff for a while...

i liked it when i was sliding the car but i hated it for daily driving.

it wont break axels...itll put stress on em... but they were designed the take stress.

[Project D]

Wouldn't a 180SX LSD be a good alternative that doesn't cost a lot, but gives better rear end response and grip? Maybe I am full of shit here, but I thought I was seeing them for like 300 shipped.

[SpdElemts]

I have been thinking about this for awhile ever since I got my welded diff....right now I am not running sub frame spacers so I feel the sub frame float around while driving normal and on track. So I was thinking about getting sub frame spacers to reduce the floating, but I thought about how much the sub frame spacers would put stress on the sub frame bolts coming out from the frame rails. Is it possible that I could snap one of the bolts with the sub frame spacer installed? I daily drive my car if that helps.

[warriortch]

yes it does need fluid on the inside.. there are your output shaft bearings and input shaft bearings that all need lubricated and cooled..

btw, I have a friend who has a welded diff and he hasn't broken anything and he loves it. but I could see how road course or autox performance would decrease.

[SochBAT]

dailydriven, you might hate with all the tire screeching you'll get and what not. It normally doesn't matter to me whether i screech or not, cause i know where its coming from, and i know its normal. As for drifting, im probably not going with anything else. Welded diffs are solid and rock everyone's socks.

[BigVinnie]

I thought welded diffs interfered with steering.... Better for drifting, bad for street driving. Both wheels in the rear spin at the same time, cutting corners, without getting a ticket from a cop would be a bitch.....

[dct223]

u can grip with a welded, or 2way...

just went on a 60 mile touge run on highway 1 and went on mt tam and i had no problems keeping up with the group. my car wasnt "unpredictable" nor did i understeer every corner/hair pin...

people need to stop assuming 2way and welded is for drift only because they read it on zilvia...

"zomg welded sucks for daily, i read a thread that you will oversteer and crash, and its only for people who drift everyday"
"omg!! did u read on zlvia?? it says you gotta get a 1.5 way if u just grip on touge runs"
"[email protected]#@! hlsd is the best for touge cus i read it on zilvia"

stop talking outta your asses, say something if u ACTUALLY had experience with it...

my experience... VLSD is good, but u grow tired of it and want something that is more predictable ie.. clutch type LSD... unless u do a lot of auto x.. and if u have a SR or high HP car.. dont even think about vlsd.. the lsd will be shot in no time, and it will be like peg legging all over again

welded, great for drift, u can grip with it, proll cant go as balls out as u can with a vlsd depending on conditions... not for a person that wants to auto x all the time.. u make a lot of cool noise around turns and people are like WTF is wrong with your car so if that annoys you dont get a clutch type lsd.. also u need to give it more gas parking cus the rear is always locked.

2way is freaking awesome for drift, and grip. Driving my friends car with a 2way made me want to ditch my VLSD and get a welded (i am too poor). 2way still feels a little better to me, there is a little more slip so it seems a little more responsive on corners.

[chlatboy]

Zilvia > everyone! Especially newbies!!
:spank:

[i8yourfwd]

u can grip with a welded, or 2way...

just went on a 60 mile touge run on highway 1 and went on mt tam and i had no problems keeping up with the group. my car wasnt "unpredictable" nor did i understeer every corner/hair pin...

people need to stop assuming 2way and welded is for drift only because they read it on zilvia...

"zomg welded sucks for daily, i read a thread that you will oversteer and crash, and its only for people who drift everyday"
"omg!! did u read on zlvia?? it says you gotta get a 1.5 way if u just grip on touge runs"
"[email protected]#@! hlsd is the best for touge cus i read it on zilvia"

stop talking outta your asses, say something if u ACTUALLY had experience with it...

my experience... VLSD is good, but u grow tired of it and want something that is more predictable ie.. clutch type LSD... unless u do a lot of auto x.. and if u have a SR or high HP car.. dont even think about vlsd.. the lsd will be shot in no time, and it will be like peg legging all over again

welded, great for drift, u can grip with it, proll cant go as balls out as u can with a vlsd depending on conditions... not for a person that wants to auto x all the time.. u make a lot of cool noise around turns and people are like WTF is wrong with your car so if that annoys you dont get a clutch type lsd.. also u need to give it more gas parking cus the rear is always locked.

2way is freaking awesome for drift, and grip. Driving my friends car with a 2way made me want to ditch my VLSD and get a welded (i am too poor). 2way still feels a little better to me, there is a little more slip so it seems a little more responsive on corners.


No understeer at entry with welded? Was it uphill or downhill?

[Var]

I find that my 2way and the welded diffs i owned both had corner entry understeer. If you dont notice it then you arent going fast enough, or you just dont know what's going on while you're driving.

240sx driveline parts are fairly durable, and easy to source. Just keep an extra pair around, although quite a few of the shockdrifting crew runs welded(including me before i sold my s13) through daily driving and many may clutch kicks at the track. Only guy that's broken an axle was Faruk, and that was with a 2way. I think Faruk can break anything.

[mooboy]

I find that my 2way and the welded diffs i owned both had corner entry understeer. If you dont notice it then you arent going fast enough, or you just dont know what's going on while you're driving.

240sx driveline parts are fairly durable, and easy to source. Just keep an extra pair around, although quite a few of the shockdrifting crew runs welded(including me before i sold my s13) through daily driving and many may clutch kicks at the track. Only guy that's broken an axle was Faruk, and that was with a 2way. I think Faruk can break anything.

haha hes AMAZING

[ghostuss]

yep i 2nd that... haven't seen him a long time thou.

[TheSquidd]

Welded mine last week, other than the fact that I'm nervously sweating like crazy in the hopes it wont shatter on the freeway and kill me, it's very nice. If you're not completely hauling ass into the corner, it won't understeer, I haven't had it in the rain yet so I can't tell you how bad that is.

It drifts smoooth, very predictable.

PROS:
-Streetable
-Cheap
-Replaceable, about a 30 minute install
-Cheap
-Really, it's cheap!
-Excellent drifts
-The looks on people's faces when you drive around a parking lot :rofl:

CONS:
- If it breaks, hope you're going slow and not on the freeway
- Axles get some major stress
- Supposedly sucks balls in the rain
- The looks on cops faces when you drive around a parking lot :bite:
- Slight slight understeer (unless you're really attacking the corner)

[sr240mike]

If it breaks then it wasnt welded by Luke. That is all. Oh it is AWESOME in the rain. I rarely take a turn without sliding in the rain. Stupid, yes, but it's not my fault. Stop light turns green, 1st gear to 3k, turn left, hit 2nd, swwoooooosssh.

[marshun]

i've had my welded for about a year on my current car. i had welded on my previous car too (hachi)

you can practically eliminate the understeer with a little toe out in the front. (makes for a quicker turn in). it'll still be there (just like with a 2way) but will be much less noticable.

i always see these threads about how a welded is crap in the rain and blah blah blah. if youre driving like a normal person then you dont see all kinds of craziness when turning. i cant say the same for snow though since i live in hawaii and we dont get any.

[i8yourfwd]

If it breaks then it wasnt welded by Luke. That is all. Oh it is AWESOME in the rain. I rarely take a turn without sliding in the rain. Stupid, yes, but it's not my fault. Stop light turns green, 1st gear to 3k, turn left, hit 2nd, swwoooooosssh.
None of luke's have come apart yet correct?

Wow, that might be a lil dangerous in the rain :|

[Jcb890]

a 1.5 will outhandle a 2-way or a welded diff in the twisties any day of the week. if you think otherwise you're simply retarded and dont understand the way turning works.

for a drag/drift car, welded or a 2-way would be great
for a car you'd like to actually turn, a 1.5-way would be much better ;)

[TheSquidd]

a 1.5 will outhandle a 2-way or a welded diff in the twisties any day of the week. if you think otherwise you're simply retarded and dont understand the way turning works.

for a drag/drift car, welded or a 2-way would be great
for a car you'd like to actually turn, a 1.5-way would be much better ;)


I turn my car all day... :squint: Just not very hard!

[theicecreamdan]

A friend of mine has been running a diff welded for a few months now, nothing has broken, and he runs wide grippy rear tires, car still works great for non-drift use. Much better than open diff.

[Jcb890]

there's no way in hell a welded diff. is anywhere near as good as a good LSD on an auto-x course or on a road course. end of story.

[i8yourfwd]

duh... i don't think anyone has said that a welded is better than a 1.5 for autox.

anywhoo, what would be better for grip driving? vlsd or welded?

[OptionZero]

neither. save up and get an HLSD or 1.5 way.

[Var]

duh... i don't think anyone has said that a welded is better than a 1.5 for autox.

anywhoo, what would be better for grip driving? vlsd or welded?


I personally like the vlsd better in the mountains for grip. On the track, i think if you had really wide tires and super stiff suspension, you could do the welded diff . It would feel like a lemans car. Slow in fast out. Always accelerating through the corners to rotate.

[TheSquidd]

there's no way in hell a welded diff. is anywhere near as good as a good LSD on an auto-x course or on a road course. end of story.


:confused: Please, tell me where anyone has said a welded diff is better than a 1.5 or LSD?????? The only reason it is better is because it's cheap.
:loco: :loco:

[Jcb890]

ok, just making sure nobody thinks that. :)

if you need something right now vlsd will obviously handle better, but HLSD or 1.5-way would be the best thing to do.

[i8yourfwd]

neither. save up and get an HLSD or 1.5 way.
I already have welded. I was just curious.