B&M short shifters?

[final act]

yo, I have a question and Im kind of puzzled....Im gonna pick up a B&M shifter for my 240sx and was wondering are these 2 different?

First one>
http://store1.yimg.com/I/phase2motorsports_1841_2036181
http://www.store.yahoo.com/phase2mo...solshorshi.html
from phase2, this one has a second step on the plate.
Second one>
http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/power.html
from pdmracing, gonna half to scroll down to the middle of the page...this one does not seem to have that second step on the tranny plate.

heres also another place thats selling one, shows a clearer shot of the top.
http://www.morepowerracing.com/prod...hFor=&PT_ID=971
It does not have that second step on the tranny plate.

Im confused....are these 2 different models?
I know it wont matter much, but If they are 2 different models I would like to get the newest model out....yes I know Im being anal, its because I have a job and I can afford it. :coold:

[Draginzuzu]

The pic on pdm site is what it will look like.

[fliprayzin240sx]

i heard theres 2 model cuz the first one had a rattling issue. Personally, save yourself the money and just get the Ebay knockoff and save yourself $140.

[final act]

i heard theres 2 model cuz the first one had a rattling issue. Personally, save yourself the money and just get the Ebay knockoff and save yourself $140.
I dont trust ebay knock offs man, expecialy because Im gonna be using this for drifting.....I dont want a cheap quality part.

[pruto]

there is version 1 and 2, not sure if they look different.

i have version 1, honestly, the rest of my car makes enough noises where i don't know what people mean by "rattle".

i've seen first hand the shittiness of knock off shifters. the famed obx detachable shifter isn't just a joke. I'm not sure about the quality of b&m knock offs, but if it's a moving part, something can go wrong, if it is cheap, make that double, and i'm a firm believer of murphy's law. But hey, to each his own, some people have more faith than I.

[final act]

the only type of knock offs I like to deal with on my car are knock off aero.
I dont deal with low quality parts expecialy if they are mechanical parts....people who drive their cars hard shouldent deal with shitty parts eatheir, they will just give you headaches.

okay cool, I want to get the version 2, any one can suggest other sites that have the version 2 forsale? the only one i found was phase2.

[sideview_180sx]

either way if your using a short shifter to drift with. just get one. OBX, megan racing, B&M, Nismo solid, etc many kinds made. just get the Nismo solid shifter. cost is a lil more but hey. its nismo and feels oh so lovely. (Irwin's car has it) I can't believe how precise it is. I find it very hard for anyone to mis-shift on the nismo one. I picked up the megan racing SS, and im going to get some stiffer shifter springs, to increase resistance and feel.

[projectRDM]

I dont trust ebay knock offs man, expecialy because Im gonna be using this for drifting.....I dont want a cheap quality part.

Haha. Ya, you need to make sure you use quality parts for DrIfTiNg. Now drag racing, autocross, road course, or daily driving is fine for knockoffs because you're not part of the hype.

[mr_240sx]

there is version 1 and 2, not sure if they look different.

i dont think they look any different from eachother, the only different that i know of is that the second one ( the one that doesnt rattle) doesnt come with a shift knob.

[Ian]

i donno if i like the B&M for shifting...it's sometimes difficult to put it in gear w/o alot of force

i'd rather try and find a C's type shifter


much easier to put it in gear...effortless is a good thing i think

[bing]

is the B&M even made in the US???

if it isnt then it is made by the same factories that are making the knock-off

i have the knock off and i love it.

everyone i know who had the real deal had the same rattling etc. but paid 3 times more for it.

if your reasoning for buying the B&M is "percieved" value, i woudl say look into it more and make sure that you are getting $140 more out of the B&M.

chances are that considering Apexi, Greddy, etc. etc. are having stuff made in Taiwan that B&M is as well.

heck, Canadian Tire's Mastercraft tool brand (equivalent to Sear's Craftsman) is also imported from Taiwan... but i bet you dont have a problem saving the money buying those tools rather than Snap-On.

[mr_240sx]

well i got the new version of the (non-rattleing) b&m ss and I love it!!! i find it smooth and precise when shifting!! I have never missed a gear with it! and it doesnt rattle!!

[final act]

Haha. Ya, you need to make sure you use quality parts for DrIfTiNg. Now drag racing, autocross, road course, or daily driving is fine for knockoffs because you're not part of the hype.

haha wtf, I just used the example drifting because thats precisly what Im going to use it for.....who ever drives there care hard, drag,drift autoX is gonna want a high quality part, not a crappy part like a obx.....You probly dont care about putting good quality parts in your car, as long as you can save money, haha thats a bandwagoner right there :loco: ....if that makes you happy more power to you....but me, I dont even bother with cheap/crap quality parts,it saves time and headaches.

[MakotoS13]

i only paid 185 to nopi online and got it in 3 days.

WORTH EVERY CENT.

[MakotoS13]

.You probly dont care about putting good quality parts in your car, as long as you can save money, haha thats a bandwagoner right there :loco: .

yeah, russ is a bandwagoneer. totally.

[twong85]

who ever drives there care hard, drag,drift autoX is gonna want a high quality part, not a crappy part like a obx.....You probly dont care about putting good quality parts in your car, as long as you can save money,

Sir have you even used a obx shifter before? You talk a lot, but it sounds like you're just jumping on the b&m bandwagon. A shifter is a shifter. Go buy the one you want instead of trying to defend your purchase to everyone.....it doesn't matter which one you get, either way someone will think you're cool -_-

[s14srpilot]

I had a pilot short shifter and it worked pretty good. It DID fall apart but I glued it back with some industrial strength stuff from Home Depot and it hasn't fallen apart since. I have since bought a b&m because I was able to buy it for $120 and it is 100 times better.

[SR240DET]

holy shit.... the rattle with the old B&M is fixable by removing a lil ring.. and taking that hump out.... once removed take some electrical tape... and wrap it around the shifter.... where the hump was that holds the boot up...

my buddy has a pilot/obx/ebay/c's/knock off.... ill show pictures... the throw is much shorter on the B&M... and the quality is much greater.... i have had first had experience on all of them.... and B&M is by far the best... even the price.... the cheap SS are not worth what ever there selling them for... for what you get.. B&M SS is worth every penny..

[final act]

Sir have you even used a obx shifter before? You talk a lot, but it sounds like you're just jumping on the b&m bandwagon. A shifter is a shifter. Go buy the one you want instead of trying to defend your purchase to everyone.....it doesn't matter which one you get, either way someone will think you're cool -_-

I dident even know there was a B&m shifter bandwagon..lol....did you ever think that it might not be a bandwagon for some people? Its people who know that B&M has experience and takes the highest quility priorities in their parts they put out....a shifter is a shifter huh? When you buy parts your saying a clutch is a clutch, a diff is a diff, coilovers are coilovers and thats that? You sir are lame if you dont take the materials and quality that go into the parts your buying into consideration.

Although I havent experienced the obx shifter, I have experienced couple of their products and I dont like the quality, so that’s why I don’t take chances with those cheaper parts anymore….and dude, I wouldent give a rats ass who thinks Im cool for the parts I buy, I just know if the person is in the know they will realize that I made a good decision buying a great quality part for my car instead of half assing it like what you probly do sir… :mepoke:

[projectRDM]

haha wtf, I just used the example drifting because thats precisly what Im going to use it for.....who ever drives there care hard, drag,drift autoX is gonna want a high quality part, not a crappy part like a obx.....You probly dont care about putting good quality parts in your car, as long as you can save money, haha thats a bandwagoner right there :loco: ....if that makes you happy more power to you....but me, I dont even bother with cheap/crap quality parts,it saves time and headaches.

You have no fucking clue who you're talking to son.
And you barely have a clue what you're talking about.

[final act]

You have no fucking clue who you're talking to son.
And you barely have a clue what you're talking about.
and like you do? lol :loco: just by reading your shitty replies, I would care less who you are :fawk2:

[bing]

WOW!

alot of you guys need to STFU...

did you ever think that it might not be a bandwagon for some people? Its people who know that B&M has experience and takes the highest quility priorities in their parts they put out....a shifter is a shifter huh? When you buy parts your saying a clutch is a clutch, a diff is a diff, coilovers are coilovers and thats that? You sir are lame if you dont take the materials and quality that go into the parts your buying into consideration.



in theory thats true i guess.

but the problem is that we (as in me, you and eveyrone else here) doesnt actually know what B&M's quality control processes are.

Whats more is that we dont know anything about the manufacture of the knock-offs (B&M knock-offs or OBX etc.)

since we dont know anything about either surely you cant say one is better than the other.

your assumption that the B&M is better is based on brand image and nothing more. not entirely a bad thng mind you, that is what B&M wants and it moves the economy along. unfortunately most people know that its all made in the same place now and arent falling for the marketing BS.

btw. OBX / APC / Megan / ebay brands are all the same thing bought from the same factories.

the sad part is that now we know that Apexi (the EVX coilovers) are made in the same places too. as were the Greddy type S BOV's..

[turbozxi]

Yo bing hows your S/S holding up I just bought one I think there the same as the ones you bought.
http://www.velocityshop.com/pics/brand/jspeed/shifter-240sx-4.jpg

[bing]

i've had mine for a couple months now and i drive ALOT... like 20,000 kilometers in 8 months.

i like it.

i recommend this seller:

http://stores.ebay.com/delubozparts_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm

he's out of stock right now because i bought them all though...lol

[turbozxi]

Cool there the same shifter aren't they? I lost the last S/S auction from Delubzo yesterday, so got this they look similar? :)

[MakotoS13]

and like you do? lol :loco: just by reading your shitty replies, I would care less who you are :fawk2:

wow, you're actually saying this to a guy that prolly knows more about 240 tech than you ever will and the proof is in his consistently great work? thats pretty funny, chuckles.

[final act]

wow, you're actually saying this to a guy that prolly knows more about 240 tech than you ever will and the proof is in his consistently great work? thats pretty funny, chuckles.
sadly it doesent show through his replies to my post.

[Phlip]

haha wtf, I just used the example drifting because thats precisly what Im going to use it for.....who ever drives there care hard, drag,drift autoX is gonna want a high quality part, not a crappy part like a obx.....You probly dont care about putting good quality parts in your car, as long as you can save money, haha thats a bandwagoner right there :loco: ....if that makes you happy more power to you....but me, I dont even bother with cheap/crap quality parts,it saves time and headaches.
Considering Russ' 10 year advantage on you in chronological age and the fact that he has FORGOTTEN more about the S-chassis then most of us can hope to search and find on a forum, and has owned them damn near 10 years now, I am calling YOU the bandwagoner here, kid...

[pruto]

actually, i personally got my b&m because of drifting. drifting puts a lot of stress on all parts of your car, so there is nothing wrong with saying i want such and such a part because of drifting. It is not any less of a reason as any other type of motorsport. I got tired of misshifting to 3rd or down to 2nd while going sideways. i have tried both the b&m and c's shifters on my friends cars at events and i liked the b&m more. its a matter of preference. the b&m is shorter and more mechanical but the c's is smoother.

I don't care who the hell everyone thing they are, the attitude and asumptions people make on zilvia regarding other members is just fucked up. The "i don't know you so you know jack shit" or "he said drifting therefore he is a bandwagoning honduh poser" replies have got to stop. Everyone needs to stop acting like kids or assholes, be nice and helpful, if you think a thread or question is too stupid to warrent a good reply, then shit don't post a reply. I do that once in a while too but you know what, its a waste of my time posting replies that doesn't matter.

[WeldingHank]

I have a B&M knock off. works great. nice and stiff. i like it alot. i don't see why i would want to pay $140 more.

[final act]

sorry, did I come on here to delegate who knows more? NO.. so whats this threadjacking and all taking this thread to a new disscusion? If the guy knows so much, why dident he post a usefull reply to help me answer my post instead of posting a lame reply that was needless? If you do not have any usefull info to reply...dont reply.

[HyperTek]

From my observation, i have felt the real B&M shifter and the knock off shifter... the real B&M still seemed to offer the shortest throw possible. Shift knobs where different in these vehicles so that might have also played a role in feelings. Whatever you go with, you will get used to it. The knock off b&m isnt bad, id perfer if it had softer springs in it tho. Real B&M > knock off B&M > stock... so there...

[projectRDM]

You're the stupid fucking idiot who claimed that an Ebay knockoff is of poorer quality than the original item. Yet you have nothing in this case to back that up. Nothing.

So tell us, o wise one, why do you believe this about this particular item? You obviously have much more experience here, apparently more than enough to even warrant asking in the first place, so what's the deal?

I'll give you a hint, people usually get bashed when they make ridiculous assumptions that they cannot back up. There's more than two dozen people who have directly dealt with both models, original and knockoff, and they have all given their impressions in here. And the basic finding is that they're identical in design, quality, and workmanship.

Yes, I could have typed all that out in the first place but you're so damn smart you could have figured it out without ever even asking the question.

[Phlip]

.... and ladies and gentlemen, Russ for the win

[S14DB]

Wooohooo it's getting hot in here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/Posting/fire_extinguisher_train01.jpg
ahh, much better...