noob drift question

[kenshinS14sks]

im going into a turn, i brake, downshift, let go brake, pop clutch, turn in... but instead of drifting, my front tires give out... sometimes it works, sometimes my front tires dont wanna turn in, sliding forward and losing grip ... :spank: any ideas?

[Bone]

Whats the suspension setup? Stock? Tires? Size?

[WeldingHank]

you need to transfer more weight to the front it seems. you have to turn in FIRST then let go of the clutch if your attempting a shift lock. or brake, shift, turn in, brake again hard and you should slide then too.

[matlock]

Now when you say brake, and when you let go of the brake is that the brake pedal or handbrake? Also what condition are the front tires in?

[mistaanime]

..u probably..understeering...heh get some better suspension

[Yoshi]

Sounds like he's plowing? I think the type of drift you're trying (accel-off/braking drift) typically only works at higher speeds or if going downhill into the turn.... but then you're clutch kicking too? Add some feint with your clutch kick and the back will slide out... this is all assuming you have some decently stiff suspension tho.

Like everyone else has been asking, what's your setup? How fast are you going when you try this turn? how sharp of a turn? 90? 120? 45? surface level? Too many unknowns.

[sr240mike]

Turn in, then pop clutch. There u go.

[Drunk Bastard]

definitly give it more of a feint movement, weight transfer is a big issue if you are understeering.

[Dousan_PG]

im going into a turn, i brake, downshift, let go brake, pop clutch, turn in... but instead of drifting, my front tires give out... sometimes it works, sometimes my front tires dont wanna turn in, sliding forward and losing grip ... :spank: any ideas?


there's your problem
BRAKING
dont brake entering
keep your speeds up
your going to slow
do this for newbie fun

go fast
turn in clutch kick
counter steer
full throttle (if its KA)
and modulate throttle slightly
and balance car w/ steering input, braking, ebrake, etc etc etc..

practice

but gofaster
anytime i drive a friends car or show them, its full throttle max speed.
ask maeda, he knows haha..more speed!

[meatish]

Ha, yeah all I was gonna say was,
"Go faster".
Or as my snowboarder friend says, "charge!"

[sw20>>s14]

im going into a turn, i brake, downshift, let go brake, pop clutch, turn in... but instead of drifting, my front tires give out... sometimes it works, sometimes my front tires dont wanna turn in, sliding forward and losing grip ... :spank: any ideas?

that sounds more of a grip technique if you ask me...

[infinitexsound]

dont even need to brake.. just feint it pop the clutch press the gas pedal and feather it and dont countersteer too much... u need suspension dude... sounds like hes understeering...

[JDMs13]

Id bet your biggest problem was lack of LSD.....your just spinning one wheel, thats why your plowing.

[sideviewcivic]

seems like he should be more in depth as far as his car setup and how his entry into the corner is, before he applies technique. altho Aaron is right about him going to slow. He probably is a newbie and has the wall of fear in his head.

[mrmephistopheles]

whoah. We're drifting.com now?

I thought this was '240SX Chat'

What do you guys think? Motorsports or OT?

[sw20>>s14]

im going into a turn, i brake, downshift, let go brake, pop clutch, turn in... but instead of drifting, my front tires give out... sometimes it works, sometimes my front tires dont wanna turn in, sliding forward and losing grip ... :spank: any ideas?

i dont even think he cares anymore...

[kenshinS14sks]

daaaamn~... out of ALL the posts i've put, this one has gotten the most responses in the shortest amt of time hands down... :fart: anyways... ok, i have:

ka
kyb agx shox (almost stiffest setting - 4/4 front, 7/8 back)
espelir springs (i know i know, they're soft, i hate them)
$40 shit "negotiator" tires
2 way nismo gt lsd

hmmmmmmmmm... i've tried on mainly 90 degree turns and i think may be turning too sharply + crappy tires in front = no grip? and that whole go faster thingy... maybe i should try that... open road... 3am... balls out no brakes instead of trying to enter a turn at 50 ... braking til like 30 where i feel safe... let go brake, turn in sharp, clutch... al;sdkfjas;dklfj;asdk

[9524tee]

i had the same problem , and i have the same struts as you , so what i did was ... put the fronts on 3/4 , and rear on 8/8 , helped big time . but it will vary with other tire sizes / amount of tread etc . but its worth a try . those kyb,s are very hard to "get just right" , just tinker with them and see what happens .

[speeddreamz]

Grab some sort of suspension setup, make sure your front tires have decent grip. Im no expert, but the easiest way for n00bs and me to get it sideways initially is to pull the ebrake hard with a quick turn in. Also keep the clutch in untill you come out of the drift/slide. Remember do it in a safe area(track etc) ok? otherwise theres gonna be another topic in chat.

[s13panda2004]

borrow/buy/rent the Drift Bible.

[kenshinS14sks]

i do have the drift bible... =(... the front softer and back harder? ... hmmmmmmmmm

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

even if u under steer if u can use it right u can drift longer nd better with more speed.

the front softer nd the rear harder makes it over steer more. and that doesnt mean make the front softer then the rear. it just means the front shouldnt be too stiff nd the rear should become stiffer. and u can do that with coilovers, nd sway bar.

[Flybert]

borrow/buy/rent the Drift Bible.

AHAHAHA anyone who recomends that shitty movie does not know how to drift.

even if u under steer if u can use it right u can drift longer nd better with more speed.

I think this was the stupidest advice I have ever read in my life. Understeer does not help drift. You are not drifting if you are understeering.

If you want to learn how to drift, go to the track and do it. Learn from people there. And if you can't make it out to the track, take Dousan's advice. It will work.

[s13panda2004]

AHAHAHA anyone who recomends that shitty movie does not know how to drift.


See you at Just Drift..

I'll tandem with you any day Chris..

Don't look for me, I'll find you..

[Pank]

I think this was the stupidest advice I have ever read in my life. Understeer does not help drift. You are not drifting if you are understeering.

If you want to learn how to drift, go to the track and do it. Learn from people there. And if you can't make it out to the track, take Dousan's advice. It will work.

I think thats called "Plowing" :)

[that180guy]

two or three step process:

1. turn in
2. pop clutch
(steer accordingly)

or

1. turn in
2. pop clutch
3. ebrake
(again, steer accordingly)

imo, best way to learn these kinda things....do donuts. A SHIT LOAD OF DONUTS. helps u learn tires turning limit, wen car will break loose, countersteer, etc

[infinitexsound]

yeah circle drifts.............. big lots big donuts.... im down with that.... doors wide open devil horns..... lol lol

oh yeah i think your problem is that u have a 2way lsd.... u need a vlsd like mines... wanna trade?

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

I think this was the stupidest advice I have ever read in my life. Understeer does not help drift. You are not drifting if you are understeering.

If you want to learn how to drift, go to the track and do it. Learn from people there. And if you can't make it out to the track, take Dousan's advice. It will work.

i never said understeering with ur car is drifting. i meant if u have ur car to understeer nd u can make it drift i belive u can make it drift longer. or hold the gas longer. or watever ionno thats wat i just think. i cant drift so id unno

[Flybert]

See you at Just Drift..

I'll tandem with you any day Chris..

Don't look for me, I'll find you..

AHAHAHHA make sure to slap me in the back of the head for being an E-thug. Come on dude, you know that video is archaic. It doesn't even talk about clutch kicking or e-braking to lengthen slides. That movie is just too old school.

[RiversideS13]

I had same tires on my previous S14 and i can drift it ok with vlsd set up. I think your problem is that you dont have enough speed and you didnt turn your car enough. make sure you full throttle it with your ka in all the gears. I think you have to get at least above 30 mph to get good drift.....I might remeber wrong...it was a year ago.

[kenshinS14sks]

yeah circle drifts.............. big lots big donuts.... im down with that.... doors wide open devil horns..... lol lol

oh yeah i think your problem is that u have a 2way lsd.... u need a vlsd like mines... wanna trade?

um.... how about no =) dont wanna trade my nismo 2 way for a nissan vlsd :wiggle:

but yea guys, basically i was just going too slow, and trying to turn in too sharp. trying to copy monkey man or a lot of the pro drifters. been getting it more, by just going faster and turning in smoothly THEN letting it drift.

[m0rex]

Try drifting in the rain and learn to push your car through the corner instead of just letting it slide. Try different techniques and use the ones that you are more confterble with. Just letting it slide its like having a fwd car and just pulling the ebrake. Atleast thats how i see it.

[ultraDorksGarage]

AHAHAHHA make sure to slap me in the back of the head for being an E-thug. Come on dude, you know that video is archaic. It doesn't even talk about clutch kicking or e-braking to lengthen slides. That movie is just too old school.

thats cuz dori dori doesnt need the e brake!~!!!!!, lol
j/k

im curious on this more rear damp. u should use less rear dampening, that way u have more weight transfer to the front. think about it.....

[ultraDorksGarage]

Try drifting in the rain and learn to push your car through the corner instead of just letting it slide. Try different techniques and use the ones that you are more confterble with. Just letting it slide its like having a fwd car and just pulling the ebrake. Atleast thats how i see it.


i dunno, he is already understeering, yes rain reduces grip, but to all 4 tires, it will be harder for him to get proper weight transfer in the rain,(rain reduces weight transfer to the front during braking, that of course if hes trying to brake drift).

[infinitexsound]

umm doing the braking drift in the rain is kinda an accident waiting to happen..... lock up ur brakes and go straight into what ever is in front...

[m0rex]

I dont think anyone is that dumb to go fast and understeer into something locking the brakes up. It can happen though but going slow in the rain and trying to keep a drift isnt that hard though i dont remeber since it hasent rain around here for a while.

[Ian]

the best way to learn how to drift is to do it in a parking lot


honestly, dont try to learn in the street


and clutch kick first, that will help you understand your steering...ebraking takes speed, speed takes confidence (or stupidity if youre un-skilled)

the only way to gain confidence is to know what you're doing...see where i'm going with this?
once you learn how to steer and build up confidence, shy away from initiating w/ a clutch kick and try to steer your way into the slides.

[Flybert]

the best way to learn how to drift is to do it in a parking lot


honestly, dont try to learn in the street


and clutch kick first, that will help you understand your steering...ebraking takes speed, speed takes confidence (or stupidity if youre un-skilled)

the only way to gain confidence is to know what you're doing...see where i'm going with this?
once you learn how to steer and build up confidence, shy away from initiating w/ a clutch kick and try to steer your way into the slides.



Everything you said was correct except for two things. It's best to learn on the track and clutch kicking is how you initiate pretty much all drifts. The only exception would be the occasional long ebrake slide down a narrow straight into a tight 2nd gear corner and even then, you rev up and pop the clutch when you get back on the gas. It's all about keeping your revs high as possible with drifting and one of the only ways to do it is with skilled clutch work.

[420sx]

brakes are so over rated....

brakes are for noob....


haha

[ultraDorksGarage]

umm doing the braking drift in the rain is kinda an accident waiting to happen..... lock up ur brakes and go straight into what ever is in front...

exactly, rain is not the place if u are already understeering...

[420sx]

on a serious note, please learn without using breaks or e-brake. use ur arms, the clutch, and your mind.

[ultraDorksGarage]

i dunno, using brakes is a good way to learn how to properly weight transfer. yes its cool to high speed drift, but it takes alot of skill to low speed drift, and the brake is definately the tool to get perfect weight transfer. to each his own i guess, but reality is, events still have braking zones, i still think u should get used to drifting utilizing these braking zones...

[420sx]

true true. i just cant stand using breakin tecniques. popin the clutch/dumping it at full throttle gets my adrenaline going

[ultraDorksGarage]

agreed, Nobu's s15 drift is ultra hawt. full speed balls out...

but the hachi's low speed tight drift is sexy in its own little way^^

[HyperTek]

put a rear srut tower bar only(having one on the front usually experience more understeer)..
lower the tire pressure a little bit to make the tire "softer" = more grip
Leave rear tire pressure at maximum.

Also, really good rear tires will eventually cause you to understeer... go with something cheapo like stock 195s...

Thats what I had to do when i had open diff to get the car to oversteer... of cousre id make adjustments to front camber and having coilovers helped..

[m0rex]

I agree really good tires in the back suck for drifting or really crappy tires in the front and it feels like shit when breaking. It almost feels like you are trying to drift a fwd. Breaking techniques and feints are more about weight transfering so its kinda different than just letting the clutch go. Or pulling the ebrake. Its fun but to know to learn how to drift good you need practice your weight transfers just my .02 cents.

[that180guy]

Everything you said was correct except for two things. It's best to learn on the track and clutch kicking is how you initiate pretty much all drifts. The only exception would be the occasional long ebrake slide down a narrow straight into a tight 2nd gear corner and even then, you rev up and pop the clutch when you get back on the gas. It's all about keeping your revs high as possible with drifting and one of the only ways to do it is with skilled clutch work.

i agree with flybert 100% on the skilled clutch work :werd:
and its also not nessicarilly how fast you pop your clutch, but more like when you pop it...timing is of the essense ina drift oriented entry(that and knowing what the hell ur doing)

but damn man...sometimes i feel bad for the clutch burning it soo badly :(
like...feeling the vibration in my leg as i hold it semi engaged and sleeping....
/me shivers
hahahahahah